Dishwasher selection (1)

[Svetik]

Svetik, let it be, where will it go from you if your husband just needs to get used to the prices, give him time and present more expensive models than the one that you like for consideration, you can still tell scary stories at night about how cheap equipment broke down at friends in a month use and how many service centers are tearing up for repairs now take the most delicious recipes from this forum and cook him exactly one portion without additive - "there is nowhere to store, the refrigerator is so small"
if your husband needs to argue your choice - also, in general, it's not a problem about dishwashers, a lot of things have been written here, in a nutshell - a full-size one holds everything you need, it washes better and is cheaper to operate, and the hood should be powerful, this immediately kills a crowd of hares because you don't you will have to turn on the hood at full power, it will work sooo quietly, and without sacrificing efficiency, and therefore wear will go much slower, which makes the hood almost eternal, in addition, good hoods have all sorts of nice little things like a shutdown timer, filter clogging indicator, etc. in general, do not give up and my husband will have nothing to do but agree with you

[Chantal]

Chantal so I began to show and tell him horror stories by brands ... because I work at a service center for household appliances ... and which models are often brought to us for repairs. Our refrigerator is big, high and wide .... but it’s not enough for me, it swings me 86cm wide ...... but he doesn’t understand this .... but why do you need this ??? So I explain ..... that freezers are not enough for me, and since I am not expected to buy a separate freezer in the near future, then at least the refrigerator is wide ...... and I can buy the hood myself, but ..... ..... I would like to consult, by the way ...... I take all the household appliances myself, he is not my assistant in this, and the fact that I bought a big Whirlpool myself ... he just didn't like the white color, but so ..... also seemed huge ...... but for me ...... well, just paradise I really like the design of this company and love the top freezers. And I also chose the dishwasher myself and will buy it as well ... I just showed him, but his advice was not needed, I just dragged him to take a look at the store. Of course, many thanks to the forum, thanks to him I matured for a full-size machine, but I wanted a narrow one, though mine still do not understand that you can wash so much there
Most importantly, I showed him what I want ....... I understood that I would take a dishwasher and a cooker hood without his help, it’s painfully it has good characteristics

[Svetik_]

Svetik_! Take it wide! When I bought mine 4 years ago, there was only one (45 cm). I was glad for that too. But sometimes I suffer when I have to wash the barbecue grates. The handles are long and hard to put in. And so everything interferes, and what did not fit - the next call.

That's when they bring, or at least say that they can bring and won't let you down ... here I will calm down, but not for long, because then another hemorrhoid refrigerator will start, here you need to make a lot of effort to they took exactly the one I want, well, my husband liked it .............

Regarding the refrigerator, I can confidently say only one thing - FOR A GOOD HOSTESS, THERE IS NO CONCEPT OF "TOO BIG REFRIGERATOR"!
It's just that sometimes it can take up too much space.

Uffffffffffff!

I just didn't have enough kondrashka. Today I am at home all day and drive a dishwasher ... Well, in short, with breaks of half an hour maximum. And then she loaded it again, and she ...in the middle it stops and that's it! Powder poured inside, but not washed off !!!!!!!!! I changed the programs and switched off from the network (suddenly residual currents). I already checked the filters with a fright and a rocker! Well, not in any.
And before that, I washed the pot from the pressure cooker (hefty, six liters), and it ... well, in short, it's normal inside, but outside ... Well, I put it on the second time not upside down. And it stands full of water ... I turned it over and ... It all worked !!!
I understand that this is the vaunted Aquastop. It operates on the principle of comparing the amount of water that was brought in and that that left. But where the six liters could have gone, he did not understand and passed out !!!
I don’t know how much nerves I was sweating ... And I love her! And I always tell her about it! I buy all the best funds for her, I transferred the rigidity to the top five ... Well, in everything I go to a meeting ... And here ...
Well, at least I guessed to change the pan, but he already decided that the pressure boosting pump had burned out ... And my sink is full again ...
I hope this will be the biggest nuisance in our relationship with her!

[Hairpin]

Hairpin do not torment the saucepan, gradually everything will be washed off and so, it is checked

[Hairpin]

Hairpin, I also get scared like that ...

Here's a picture the other day: I'm all in the refrigerator (well, I put something, rearrange it on the shelves) and suddenly HORROR - it immediately freezes abruptly and the backlight is cut off. I almost dropped the watermelon ...

Well, she said out loud everything that I thought about the German vaunted quality, about the Liebherr refrigerator in particular, about the fact that he "lived" only three years, and I loved him so much, etc.

And only after that, already completely upset, I draw attention to the fact that the electronic clock on the microwave does not glow and I understand that the electricity in the house was cut off ...

And my legs were trembling too ...

I understand that this is the vaunted Aquastop. It operates on the principle of comparing the amount of water that was brought in and that that left. But where the six liters could have gone, he did not understand and passed out !!!

I will not argue, but the service master explained to me the operation of the aquastop differently. At my PMM, a pump (or some part of it) was just covered and water was flowing into a special tray under the bottom of the car. After the visit of the master and draining the water (he did not find the reason for the first time), it turned on, began to draw water and again stupor. After replacing the spare part, everything became ok (mmm) BUT I have had enough. And by that time there was no guarantee, therefore, the remotic cost $ 80. e. Although it may be a very smart and versatile device

[k.alena]

I will not argue, but the service master explained to me the operation of the aquastop differently. At my PMM, a pump (or some part of it) was just covered and water was flowing into a special tray under the bottom of the car. After the visit of the master and draining the water (he did not find the reason for the first time), it turned on, began to draw water and again stupor. After replacing the spare part, everything became ok (mmm) BUT I have had enough. And by that time there was no guarantee, therefore, the remotic cost $ 80. e. Although it may be a very smart and versatile device

k.alena!

After tonight, I'll give up my grudge (and I'm always responsible for the market) that at my Bosch there are two flow meters for supply and discharge. And with a difference of 4-5 liters (I think 5 liters), there is a signal to close the water supply.

It's just that the cars are different, and Bosch has different models ...

[Hairpin]

Hairpin, but I won't deny, most likely these are different manifestations of the same function - protection against leaks

[Hairpin]

Hairpin
You don't need to give your beautiful teeth to anyone !!!
All PMMs and washers have an ordinary water level sensor so that the machine knows how much to pour. So he then gave a signal to the machine that the water had gone somewhere ... And the aquastop is a sensor for the presence of water in the sump or sleeve of the supply hose plus a double valve. If the aquastop works, you will have to wait two weeks until the machine dries out completely.

[Hairpin]

Hairpin, but I won't deny, most likely these are different manifestations of the same function - protection against leaks

Exactly! I hope that other manifestations will not fray my nerves!

Jeffrey!
Let's go in order:
1. What are the functions of the sensor for the presence of water in the sump (and in which sump);
2. Which hose sleeve? Plum? But there is always water there when the machine drains the water?
3. What is the function of the double valve?

And further.
4. How often should the filter be washed? Yesterday I took out ... a large iron rectangle on which something dangled from below + a perforated cylinder. Then there was a funnel. There was nothing anywhere.
5. Do the rocker arms need to be washed? And in what case?

[Hairpin]

Hairpin, my typewriter is already two years old, and I also periodically try to find something in the filter - so far unsuccessfully, if only some kind of large grain comes across, and even then not in the filter, but at the bottom of the machine (forks .. spoons ... yes a glass like- then it crashed) and it didn't even occur to me to wash the rocker arms, I don't even have versions - why ??

It is written about the rocker arms in the manual. I think this is in case the water served is very dirty. That is, it passes through the filter and pump, and over time it is layered on the rocker arms. Although ... then it will first settle on the filter so that it will not reach the rocker arms!

In short, because the leadership says !!!

I have corn kernels on the filter, pieces of dense vegetables, and paper labels from jars in a soggy state. I wash my cylinder once a month and a half to remove plaque.

[Hairpin]

Hairpin, or I did not read the instructions well, or one of the two will have to be found at leisure and read again

k.alena, but I remember that the instructions say do not wash jars with labels !!!

[Hairpin]

Hairpin
With pleasure.
1) The bottom of the machine is made in the form of a pallet, if a leak occurs somewhere, then the water first accumulates there. The sensor (often just a float with a contact) reacts to it.
2) Bulk. It passes in a plastic casing, plus a humidity sensor is stretched along the entire length of the hose - thus we control the integrity of the hose.
3) Suppose there is only one valve and it breaks down, then the machine cannot prevent the flood. The probability of failure of two at the same time is close to zero.
4) Periodically you need to look in and that's it. In theory, they are now all "self-cleaning", this metal mesh cannot be washed with rags, sponges and anything abrasive. The holes in it have sharp edges and the remnants of food in the process of washing are rubbed on it, like on a grater (well, this was intended, although I do not believe in it).
I look into my filter once every two to three weeks.
5) In normal use, this will never need to be done. If it stops spinning, then you need to unscrew and see why ...

[k.alena]

k.alena, but I remember that the instructions say do not wash jars with labels !!!

And in mine it is not! So I can! Which is what I do. I would even say that I stopped pairing them, I'm waiting for them to fly!

2) Bulk. It passes in a plastic casing, plus a humidity sensor is stretched along the entire length of the hose - thus we control the integrity of the hose.

And I wondered what kind of cable was there! And since when have we been pulling an electrician along with water!

Tell me, plizz.
Can I put a microwave on the dishwasher?
And then there is not enough space at all :(

Manona is possible, personally I have had a microwave in the dishwasher for almost a year now and everything is fine, and there is also a yogurt maker on the microwave.

[Luysia]

I have been using Domol powder from DC for a week now. Subjectively, it washes better than the previous Calgonit, and it costs a third less. At least from the pans, the "skin" began to peel off in layers again. So thanks a lot Luysia for a tip.

[Luysia]

I have been using Domol powder from DC for a week now. Subjectively, it washes better than the previous Calgonit, and it costs a third less. At least from the pans, the "skin" began to peel off in layers again. So thanks a lot Luysia for a tip.

Jefry , I'm glad you liked the powder.

And yesterday I bought the Domol salt for the first time, salt is like salt, but it costs 2 kg less,
than 1.5 kg of Calgonit. A trifle, but nice!

About a year ago we bought a century.At first I thought that they bought this in vain, it was necessary to take a higher price to make the brand more impressive and all that. Now they decided to change the kitchen, make built-in appliances, bought Bosch (although there is also a built-in VEKO), but as the saying goes, "greed ruined." It turned out that Bosch washes worse, dries as well, despite the fact that her drying class is higher. The corners are its weak points (all four), the manufacturer had to make beveled corners instead of straight ones. In the CENTURY, there are no problems with corners. A spoon from HP and a brush were always washed in the CENTURY, but in Boch in the same place - no. Sometimes it washes knives badly. The basket for cutlery is not convenient, in the CENTURY it can be separated, but this one is not, and even in the very center you can only put teaspoons, the holes are small. I want back century
Maybe I got Bosch somehow defective.
And the other day we bought a Bosch combine, I waited with anticipation as I would knead the dough ... in the end, everything was smeared on the walls, I had to knead it in HP.
So now I think what to do with all this ...

And what is the Bosch brand? I didn't have a Veko ... and a silicone brush like Bosch washes away ... it doesn't wash a spoon from HP if it overturns ...

I also have Bosch, it washes a silicone brush, there were no problems with a spoon either.If I put a glass of HP in the very corner, then sometimes sticky dough remains at the bottom

My Bosch washes everything if you put it right. Even the barbecue grills are fried.

I have a little Bosch.
Dishwasher Bosch SKT3002EU
For 4 sets.

[Kseny]

About Bosch I can not say anything good or bad. Because I never had it. But I have also been using a full-size freestanding dishwasher VEKO for a year already. Washes everything and everywhere No complaints. Of the 7 programs, in 95% of cases I use only the fifth ("Fast and Clean" is called). Time -58 minutes, temperature 65 *. So convenient !!! I watched Ardo and Aristona at my friends' - they all have "hot" programs, long, 2.5-3.5 hours. And mine is really fast and clean.
I really reduced the basket for spoons by unfastening the side parts - one section is enough for me. She lowered the upper basket. so that more plates and casseroles fit. so a year has passed, and I don't want any other ...
Kseny , dont be upset! You need to get used to and adapt to any technique! BOSCH is a solid and respected brand, read the instructions, try to understand what they thought of there ... Everything will work out with time!

[Kseny]

Kseny Just a couple of days ago there was already a similar cry from the user's soul on the trunk CargoFun on the trunk _https: //Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/s-image/545/topic.cgi? id = 47: 8173-144
Specialists began to breastfeed for Bosch, like this is because she washes more delicately, saves water and electricity, and so on, so subjectively, the quality of washing seems worse. I do not presume to judge the eminent Brands, but IMHO the difference in quality and convenience can be caught only if there is enough money for the top models. And the lower price range is made WORSE than the cheaper but less prestigious Beko, Cron, etc.

Of the 7 programs, in 95% of cases I use only the fifth ("Fast and Clean" is called). Time -58 minutes, temperature 65 *. So convenient !!!

And I generally only use ... only ... well, 45 degrees. Time - 28-32 minutes. Small pans and greasy pots - with a bang. Something is not washed ooooooooo very rarely. Then I leave it for the second wash. And I don't use longer programs. Only when I bought it I played around, but ... I didn't really see the difference.

Hairpin, I absolutely confirm: the difference between the program "Intensive" -70 * 2 hours 40 minutes and "Fast and clean" did not feel. So why should you chase your assistant?

[Kseny]

Kseny , dont be upset! You need to get used to and adapt to any technique! BOSCH is a solid and respected brand, read the instructions, try to understand what they thought of there ... Everything will work out with time!

You really need to get used to it, I was also told so when I was unhappy with my Kaiser. She got used to it, but the old woman Kandy washes all the same better and dries drier, and works quieter. So that's it.

No not like this.I've even got used to the Kaiser. And then, at the beginning of summer, our old woman was connected at the dacha. And again we felt the difference. The opinion is not only mine, but also of all members of my family.

[Cake !!!]

Cake !!!Yesterday I bought Veko this model 🔗 And now I have not slept for two days, I still cannot get enough of it. And I chose the brand almost thanks to you. I sat for a week and read the reviews, at first I wanted Bosch, but I liked the functions of this machine more, and I also needed a black one. I want to ask you ... what is this program: Fast and clean ??? I don't have one. The shortest is 30 min. (Not including rinsing-15) then 71-delicate
170-economical
96-standard
128-intensive
124-child
112-130-auto
Which one would you advise to wash daily? And also ... it's really very difficult to arrange the dishes. Can I wash dishes on the top shelf? And in general what and where is it better to wash? You always give such detailed and sensible answers .... I hope that you will help me in my endeavors.
What detergents do you use? And if it's not difficult write the model number.

Jefry, thanks for the link, it turns out this is a cry from the heart of my husband did not know that he also decided to speak out about this.
It is a pity that everyone immediately took up arms and took it for advertising.
I actually think how you can get rid of Bosch now. They obviously won't take him back. Yesterday we were busy with it all evening, carried out experiments, suggested that our upper propeller was not spinning, something had been jammed there, it seemed to splatter. I do not know, today she has an exam - the maximum load, tomorrow morning we will evaluate the result. Can handle it, huh?
Well, I don't like her.

[Kseny]

Kseny each machine requires its own arrangement of dishes. You need to find one that fits Bosch. And try experimenting with the amount of salt and rinse aid. It helped me in due time.

Hello!
And can I ask here .... In my dishwasher (Electrolux), they began to throw out the valve, which is located at the very bottom of the machine. The one that periodically needs to be washed manually. I take it out, rinse it, insert it into the nest .... and after the next wash, it is again "thrown out of the nest"
I was buying some special liquid cleaning agent. No result
Can someone advise me what to do with this

Most likely you mean a filter. It should not just be inserted, but somehow attached. For example, hitting a pass and turning or snapping.

[zvezda]

zvezda , congratulations on your purchase! I read on a friendly forum about your torment and experiences and there I was the first to find out that you chose the CENTURY
I read a lot on the Internet about dishwashers, and looked at the models .. But in reality it turned out that there are 2-3 models in stores and there is nothing to choose from ... I wandered into MVideo, and in this. usually expensive, the store saw a sale of dishwashers with a 30-40% discount, and even with a set of detergents for free in addition. When I opened the doors of VEKO, ASKO, AEG and Aristona at the same time, I did not understand the difference in appearance. Straight twins! I opened the instructions - VEKO has no less opportunities. My wallet can't reach ASKO and Mila, so it became easier to choose. And then, my suffocating toad ordered me to buy the cheapest one. I bought it for 6500! I think: okay, it will break down like this! Here is my beauty.
🔗
The "Quick & Clean" program lasts 58 minutes and washes at 65 degrees.
As a gift, a box of 5-6 kilograms was given to the car, and there all the funds were Calgonit and Somat. And separately, salt-powder-rinse, and tablets. so that everything was tested, since the dishes were accumulated every day.
Somat is more aggressive, then I read the reviews here, also the people of this opinion. But I liked this aggressiveness. I have ordinary dishes, there are no family sets, so I stopped at Somata. He is always in super, the price is normal. I never buy pills. I agree with the members of the forum - extra spending. And on my beloved 58-minute, the pill is completely harmful. so I pour in the powder.Dirty dishes - full compartment, not very half, so just a spoonful of a cup - purely symbolic.
The principle of placement is as follows: if only it fit more. Washes everywhere well. Simply consideredthat more contaminated objects are placed below. because water comes from both the upper rocker arm and the lower one. And from above, the dishes receive water only from the bottom and that's it. But I shove everything m everywhere. I repeat. and washes well. Oh, I guess. only I put the cans so that more water gets into it. I adjust the rocker to the approximate location of the can and put the neck of the can exactly on the accumulation of holes in it. The rocker will spin and the maximum water will enter the cavity of the can.
On which program to wash and what to decide for yourself during the experiments. there can be no advice. By the way, you have a very good choice! Good luck! Keep us informed about the progress of the tests!

[Cake]

Cake! Thanks for the tips, only your machine won't open !! Don't just write the model number? I want to compare and choose the optimal program for myself. I understood which site you are writing about. yes, the girls there suffered with me ...

[Kseny]

Kseny each machine requires its own arrangement of dishes. You need to find one that fits Bosch. And try experimenting with the amount of salt and rinse aid. It helped me in due time.

The fact of the matter is that we are already trying in different ways. It turns out that it is better to put a minimum on top and preferably already conditionally clean. Salt and rinse aid are ok. Bottom washes well. In the CENTURY, mountains of dishes were stacked, including on top, without any problems. We continue to experiment. We found out that simultaneously the top and bottom do not work in our Bosch, they work in turn. When the bottom is working, the jets are directly audible, and when the top is working, it is very weak. I don't know, is it supposed to be? or is it our defect?

[Jeffrey]

We found out that simultaneously the top and bottom do not work in our Bosch, they work in turn. When the bottom is working, the jets are directly audible, and when the top is working, it is very weak. I don't know, is it supposed to be? or is it our defect?

Certainly without Jeffrey not enough...

There seems to be two rocker arms that work simultaneously ... I have a triple-45 cm 5513 ... And both baskets are equal ...

Actually, I don't care. I drive it for 30 minutes, and 30 for cooling. For me to run it once more is to spit ... Sometimes, when I’m in the kitchen all day, I can run it 5-6 times ...

to zvezda: my link Tortyzhki opened normally. It turns out that she has a Beko DFN 6610.

I also have the top and bottom working at the same time. I suspect that you have something with the upper rocker arm.

[Xeni]

Xeni! She's not small, but desktop! I have a little one. That is, narrow. Washing class - B, drying class - C. Hence the troubles. When I shoved mine, I also looked at the desktop ones, but ... their characteristics are lower. Hence the troubles. The brush is not washed, it seems, precisely because of the washing class B. It is possible that at the same time they are really not mine.

But I see no reason to be upset. Better than none. And the brush can be washed by hand.

Girls!!! I want to brag .... my not dear Veko washes EVERYTHING !!! And I made brushes and even a wooden board as good as new, in general I am insanely happy ... but Bosch wanted first ...
I have a washing class-A, drying-A

made a wooden board as good as new

My guide does not allow washing wooden items. The silicone mats are mine, but the chopping boards are not.

I also write ... not faint ... but when I washed, then I noticed. And the board was just chic and plastic too (but I wanted to change it)