Dishwasher selection (1)

[Freken Bock]

I have a narrow Bosch - moreover, when I bought - Siemens wanted - after the order they called and said that we would bring what you want, but nothing, if instead of the Siemens logo there will be Bosch - all the same they make them at the same plant)))
We have enough for 2 people narrow above the roof and there are no special problems with pans

Freken Bock a waste disposer is a thing I've been thinking about for a long time

and at one time I had a trash bin in the kitchen outside the door, well hid behind the sofa
now, however, has returned under the sink

[wwwika]

wwwika look in Bosch and in Electrolux just small models there are 2440S, Bosch I don't remember .... just under the sink they will fit ..... really ... I know

[Svetik_]

Svetik_
I am also for a large dishwasher!

Hairpin,
I remember that Tortyzhka also took an inexpensive dishwasher, and also got a discount.

[Hairpin]

Tovarischi !!! If now I do not know where I will put the laundry basket (I just pretend that I forgot about it), but ... if under the sink there is a dishwasher, then where is the trash bin ?!

Hairpin, garbage is not essential! At least much less important than having PMM in your kitchen! It also seemed to me that there was no place. Had to donate a locker. We pushed a narrow (there really is no place for a wide one, albeit a pity) Electrolux under the tabletop in its place, removing the top cover (or whatever it is called there). My husband spent a week doing magic in the kitchen, and I walked around on tiptoe. But now - happiness is above the roof. True, it was easier for me in terms of choice: all household appliances in the kitchen are white, and the PMM is the same.

And the role of the laundry basket is played by a huge old basin on the shelf in the toilet.

I'm glad ....... listen to the expert, I saw all this joy in action ... and I know for sure that these will fit under any sink ... Electrolux is more fun

Girls, why does everyone say that it will be idle? Does it take a long time to load it full? But there is a half load ... We have a family of four, two children, neither husband nor son can wash after themselves even a spoon, well, the daughter is still small for this, but she, like me, will like it all ...

[Lydia]

Lydia that's right .... my godfathers did just that .... they cut off this siphon under the sink, found another smaller one and put it on ..... now as built-in, they didn't remove the lid, that's how it goes

[Svetik_]

Svetik_
what does it mean - will be idle? I launch mine every two days - this is when everyone has lunch at work. And on weekends - every day. We have five people.

Hairpin,
you can buy a nice metal bucket with a lid and you don't have to keep it under the sink.

Girls, why does everyone say that it will be idle? Does it take a long time to load it full? But there is a half load ... We have a family of four, two children, neither husband nor son can wash after themselves even a spoon, well, the daughter is still small for this, but she, like me, will like it all ...

Will not be idle! Don't you eat at all at home? Even if on weekdays you cannot fill the car completely, then on weekends ... You will feel like a white man, not a negro-slave-dishwasher!
The only thing: maybe you will have to buy dishes in order to shove everything into the car and not wash it with your hands.

I drag my kitchen:



Or rather - a sink (50cm) + bedside table (40cm) + oven (60cm) + bedside table (40cm) + bedside table (60cm). On the other side is refrigerator + chair + table + chair. Mustache.

With a 40 cm bedside table, I would donate a light one, but ... there are no such narrow ones ... Now, if she were 45 ... (smiley biting elbows) ...

[Hairpin]

Hairpin, let me interfere with your puzzle.If hunting is worse than captivity, then use a 40 cm bedside table (from the point of view of water supply and use, the one closer to the sink is better). Leave a place of 45 cm instead of it (as a more elegant option, order a bedside table under the built-in PMM), and these 5 cm must be "bite off" from the cabinet under the sink. To solve this problem, you need to attract a furniture maker. But the facade will most likely have to order a new one. True, this is possible only if the dimensions of the sink allow the curbstone to be transformed.Well, if not, then such metamorphoses can be done with a curbstone 40 cm closer to the window and cutting the curbstone 60 cm.

[Hairpins]

I remembered that visiting my aunt I saw a gorgeous device - 3 in 1 - however, this is not an option for Hairpins , but such exist in nature

[k.alena!]

k.alena!
I have already begun to come to a close version. The dishwasher is under the sink, the sink is new, and the cabinet 40 cm is re-ordered instead of the drawers - the door. I ordered the kitchen recently, so I think there won't be any problems!

It's so good that I came here !!! Bathroom - navigate. That's right, Freken Bok says, as if I'm banging. And to order new facades, I think there is no problem!

Hairpin if there is a place under the sink, then pay attention to the cool Electrolux 2420 S dishwasher, just cool ..... my godfather has been plowing for 4 years already, and finally a class, I myself wanted this one at first, but then I let it go a little, because for money, but now you need to look hard

Svetik, but it looks like you offered the best option !!!

and the waste disposal-shredder, as I understand it, is a small thing that is built into the siphon under the sink? watched them - even already appeared for real money

[Jinar!]

Jinar!
We have already discussed such a model (on this forum, but I do not know where) and came to the conclusion that two in one are unreliable. Considering that I use the oven very often ... I think the simultaneous work will ruin such a charm!

Hairpin, just read about your throwing)) Or - dreams)))
I have a PMM for 10 years, Bosch, 45 cm. Excellent enough for the three of us. Yes, and guests, of whom sometimes there are many))
And I wash the pans there, and the pots. So I don't know to whom it is small. At one time, a 24 cm pan and a frying pan, maybe even more of it, fit perfectly into the lower basket. Well, there is another upper basket for stock, where, if necessary, you can also shove a flat pan.
about the brand. If (when) I buy another car, it will only be Bosch! How much I have heard enough and seen enough from others ... Mine is simply problem-free! To the mother-in-law (she did not obey me, bought another one, for example, blockages are a regular thing, so she rinses the plate in the dishwasher before putting it in the dishwasher))). Well, what for me such happiness? We have everything that crumbled perfectly out of the net from a clean dishwasher. It is clear that the leftovers of food (well, all sorts of bones or pieces of vegetables, for example) I brush off the plates. But burnt (Teflon, yeah) pans are often shoved like that, and nothing, everything is cleaned perfectly.
And I also wash all the banks there. And no need to sterilize .... just pour boiling water over it, for freshness.

Eh, but about 100 grams - that's a thought ...

[Jinar!]

Jinar!
And for real money, what is it? After 200 grams, it's difficult for me to use a search engine ...
Well, as a first approximation ...

Margol!
I have more problem with the place ... as it turns out!

well, the cheapest is about 4000r - I just was once puzzled by this question - they started at 15000 - this is what Yandex told me)))

Hairpin,
Well, since you are thinking about a very small PMM (damn, well, I don't know, it seems to me that this is still not a complete solution to problems with dishes - it doesn't matter if you wash the pots, but this is the most disgusting ...), you didn't think to hang it on the wall?

But I'm still talking about my own ... maybe, after all, instead of a bedside table, narrow ...

[Jeffrey!]

Jeffrey!
Putting the dishwasher in place of the right 40cm bedside table is not very good - pulling the sewer and water supply system (I tell you this as a specialist in engineering systems (even after 300 grams!)). I think we should kill the left two 50 and 40 ...

Now it remains to decide which dishwasher is more complete - narrow or low? The trays will not fit horizontally 50 cm ...

[Jeffrey!]

Jeffrey!
Putting the dishwasher in place of the right 40cm bedside table is not very good - pulling the sewer and water supply (I tell you this as a specialist in engineering systems (even after 300 grams!)). I think we should kill the left two 50 and 40 ...

Now it remains to decide which dishwasher is more complete - narrow or low? The trays will not fit horizontally 50 cm ...

Narrowyaya! Low is non-standard, usually they are worse ... And with the service it is worse ...
In 45 baking sheets with difficulty, but they fit ...

Hairpin,
60 cm baking sheets will not fit and a 60 cm large PMM))) Structurally will not fit there. well, more precisely, it will fit, but will not wash out.

And a small one (with one shelf) is also uneconomical - sooner or later everyone switches to tablets, and it turns out that you wash 2 times less dishes, and spend the same amount of detergent. And then you still need to unload one and shove in the next batch (if you still wash the pans and pans, it turns out that once the PMM is only started with them, nothing else will fit). + more water.
And the acquisition costs - for the same money, you can buy a full-fledged 45 cm. I've never even regretted that we have a narrow machine. EVERYTHING FITS!

Why won't the trays fit? because you can remove the top shelf and put trays, even 2
by the way, I even have a nozzle somewhere to wash them - but I never used it (((

By the way, but here on the forum there was no discussion on the topic of a microwave oven or an oven anywhere? but then I began to have thoughts about the need to buy an oven ...

And yet, I understand that there is no place, but avoid the kandy trio (the one in the photo 3 in 1) and small PMs as soon as possible! The PM in both the first and second cases is very small, you cannot load a lot into it, as a result, pots, baking sheets and similar things can be washed with handles. Plates / forks / spoons / cups remain. What is the point of building a garden if you don't wash the dirtiest and most problematic ?! Now about the photo of the kitchen. Make up your mind and kill a 60 cm cabinet on the right, put a 60 cm PM there and you will be happy! I understand that it is a pity and there is a lot of things in it now. But, conduct an audit, send something from not very necessary to the pantry (if any). on the mezzanine (if any), etc., place something in the kitchen if possible. Maybe you can still have shelves where you can fix it, we see only one wall in the photo, and there should be three more in the kitchen.As for the drain and water supply - don't be scared, the kitchen is probably on legs, pulling the flexible eyeliner under the plinth is not a problem, from the siphon until the PM is clearly less than 3m, so the PM pump will not be difficult. But imagine, loading into the PM will be pleasant and easy, there are rinsing programs in the PM (see that it was), it is about 10 minutes and cold water, without heating. That is, they threw the dishes into the PM after eating, if it is clearly less than for washing, then you can either leave it that way, or turn on rinsing. It is without powders, without heating, that is, not so expensive. And then, when you fill it, turn on the sink.
And yet, PM is initially expensive, I think on average $ 1 / wash, but firstly, you can't wash it with handles, and secondly, your time also costs money, thirdly, washing with your hands is also not free, the same hot water, also detergents , although much cheaper. But when, instead of looking at each other like a wolf, like who is washing the dishes, you can go about your business, or maybe what the hell is not kidding? spend a romantic evening with your loved one! Trust me, it costs more. than $ 1!

[Serious]

Serious so many things have written .... but how is it right that you need to feel sorry for yourself and pens too ..... I've noticed the big Electrolux 63021, and now I'm sitting dreaming. And if there are four in a family, you need to see clean dishes every day, what do you really need to buy dishes in order to provide yourself with a supply ??? ... I can wash in half load, there is such a function so that by the evening I always have clean dishes, etc.etc., once a day in a big wash? Of course, I don't really want to use it every two, three days, I want it every day
What do you think??? Maybe narrow ??? , although the soul has already laid down on a wide one. We have a lot of glass jars, they bring milk, I don’t wash the baking sheets, because there is no such strong need for them ..... I put parchment in the oven and it’s always clean, well, pots, plates and my soul will be happy from a big dishwasher ???

I disagree with MargoL about switching to tablets.
In terms of money, it is much more economical to use separately powder and rinse aid. If it is very dirty - a lot of powder, if you need to rinse - no powder at all. For example, a package of Calgonit powder for 1 kg is enough for me for 3 months and this is with 1-2 washes daily. I have a high 45cm BOSH. For 2 people it is always loaded (there is no habit of eating from one plate and one spoon). Honestly, I can’t even imagine using the PM-half-light.

[Serious]

Serious +1000

And if there are four in a family, you need to see clean dishes every day, what do you really need to buy dishes in order to provide yourself with a supply ??? ... I can wash it in half load, there is such a function, so that in the evening I always have clean dishes, etc., wash everything once a day on a big load? I don't really want to use it every two, three days, of course, I want it every day
What do you think??? Maybe narrow ??? , although the soul has already laid down on a wide one. We have a lot of glass jars, they bring milk, I don’t wash the baking sheets, because there is no such strong need for them ..... I put parchment in the oven and it’s always clean, well, pots, plates and my soul will be happy from a big dishwasher ???

For me, the 45vs60 question stands like this: I put dishes in a wide one, turned it on and forgot, and in a narrow one I need to get used to it, otherwise some of the dishes will remain unwashed. I was once on a business trip and gave instructions on the mobile phone. So my wife and father pushed the dishes as they could. Then they call - aaaaa, the machine is broken !!!
IMHO half load is self-indulgence. There is almost no savings. But to buy dishes in addition - comrades are going the right way! In the first days of development, the issue of the lack of dishes became acute for me. We went and bought a set of plates and everything was OK. The forks of the spoons took out those that were for the guests. Somewhere in the origins of this topic, someone said that with the PMM, the whole family began to stain the dishes with pleasure and effort - this is true. Now, for everything, everyone needs a separate plate, a fork-spoon. And this is so nice! And it's all so clean and sparkling! And the pans shine like new. So there are no problems with filling. Even if there is room left in the typewriter, you need to look around and you can always find something else to shove. Usually we collect the dishes during the day and turn them on with a timer for the night. And they work with HP for a couple in the morning while we watch the last dreams. And then I have a ritual - to get bread and arrange the still warm dishes on the shelves.

I disagree with MargoL about switching to tablets.

In this thread, I was once again thrown with slippers for speaking out against pills ...

Yes, even if you run it empty, the PM is still just at full load, the maximum economic efficiency is achieved (the cost of washing 1 device). 4 people are not enough, I have 5, of whom a son is 2.5 years old and a daughter is 8 years old, the PM is fully loaded every day and this is without trays, only dishes, my wife cooks without saving dishes, we also eat all the dishes from one plate.
In general, if 60cm fits - take it and do not hesitate, so that later it will not be excruciatingly painful.

And yet, I understand that there is no place, but avoid the kandy trio (the one in the photo 3 in 1) and small PMs as soon as possible! The PM in both the first and second cases is very small, you can't load a lot into it, as a result, pots, baking sheets and similar things can be washed with handles. Plates / forks / spoons / cups remain. What is the point of building a garden if the dirtiest and most problematic is not washed ?! Now about the photo of the kitchen. Make up your mind and kill a 60 cm cabinet on the right, put a 60 cm PM there and you will be happy! I understand that it is a pity and there is a lot of things in it now.But, conduct an audit, send something from not very necessary to the pantry (if any). on the mezzanine (if any), etc., place something in the kitchen if possible. Maybe you can still have shelves where you can fix it, we see only one wall in the photo, and there should be three more in the kitchen.As for the drain and water supply - don't be scared, the kitchen is probably on legs, pulling the flexible eyeliner under the base is not a problem, from the siphon until the PM is clearly less than 3m, so the PM pump will not be difficult. But imagine, loading into the PM will be pleasant and easy, the PM has rinsing programs (see what it was), it is about 10 minutes and cold water, without heating. That is, they threw the dishes into the PM after eating, if it is clearly less than for washing, then you can either leave it that way, or turn on rinsing. It is without powders, without heating, that is, not so expensive. And then, when you fill it, turn on the sink.
And yet, PM is initially expensive, I think on average $ 1 / wash, but firstly, you can't wash it with handles, and secondly, your time also costs money, and thirdly, washing with your hands is also not free, the same hot water, also detergents , although much cheaper. But then, instead of looking at each other like a wolf, like who is washing the dishes, you can go about your business, or maybe what the hell is not kidding? spend a romantic evening with your loved one! Trust me, it costs more. than $ 1!

Exactly! I would also put PMM instead of the oven! We have 60 cm Ariston - beauty! Although we live together, but on weekends it completely clogs up with me, sometimes 2 times a day, it happens ..
And by the way, the oven can be built over the countertop. That is, order a cabinet for the oven, remove 60 cm of the countertops by the window and screw the cabinet with the oven there (well, furniture makers know better how this is dressed). And the oven at eye level is even more convenient!

[Serious]

Serious!

By the morning, I also came to the conclusion that the problem with the pots was not very acute. Just because I mainly have pots from a multicooker, a pressure cooker and a bread machine. And you shouldn't wash them in the dishwasher. But small things (plates, forks, spoons, cups) are the main problem.

But to kill the right 60cm bedside table ... I felt wildly sorry for the 40cm ... I'm starting to lean towards the option under the sink ... I've already climbed there a hundred times, and ... and why does it take so much space in my trash bin ?! And the cabinets will all remain in place ... True, the sink will need to be changed ... I hope this is real ...

[Hairpin]

Hairpin if there is a place under the sink, then pay attention to the cool Electrolux 2420 S dishwasher, just cool

She has a specified width of 55 cm, and my sink is 50 cm ... it seems .. It looks like it does not fit ...

[Hairpin]

Hairpin, instead of a 60cm bedside table, you can take a PMM 45cm + a bottle holder 15cm for example. I made along the wall: Sink + PMM 45cm + bottle holder 15cm + plate 60cm + curbstone 30cm. By the way, I used to have shallow cabinets - 45 cm in total, but now they are deep - 57 cm, so all the pots fit into this small 30 cm cabinet (except for the largest saucepan and 2 pans - one lives constantly in the oven), especially since they are all together there never and do not happen

And compact PMMs are very small.

[Jefry]

Jefry, Kazak,
Yes, I understand that pills are much more expensive. But it's more convenient. There is both salt and rinse aid at once. My rinse aid seems to be consumed too quickly. And if not caught, then a white coating may form on the glass. Therefore, with pills it is easier - you do not need to monitor anything. Yes, and I judge from friends - almost everyone uses it, that's why I wrote it.
By the way, what is so bad about them (tablets) that one should oppose them? Send me to the page, plz, otherwise I won't master the whole topic)))

[Aunath]

Aunath!
I'll strangle myself behind a 60 cm closet ... And throw a picture of a bottle-holder ... I wonder, this is the first time I've heard of such a thing!

[Hairpin]

Hairpin, instead of a 60cm bedside table, you can take a PMM 45cm + a bottle holder 15cm for example. I made along the wall: Sink + PMM 45cm + bottle holder 15cm + plate 60cm + curbstone 30cm.By the way, I used to have shallow cabinets - 45 cm in total, but now they are deep - 57 cm, so all the pots fit into this small 30 cm cabinet (except for the largest saucepan and 2 pans - one lives constantly in the oven), especially since they are all together there never and do not happen

And compact PMMs are very small.

Aynat ,
the bottle-holder is a thing! I have oils, salt and consumables for PMM in it. But to change the only full-fledged bedside table for it ... I don't know, you really need to figure out what to do with everything that is in it.

Here I have another paronoidal idea ... But it needs to be measured (I'm at work).

Does anyone have a model with a closed facade and an exposed control panel? And then if you still manage to shove 45 cm, and the color is unlikely to coincide with the color of the oven ... Otherwise, close it with a new facade ...

[Aunath]

Aunath!
I'll strangle myself for a 60 cm cabinet ...

Eh, I also used to be like this ... But now I think it's better with a PMM (at least 45 cm) than with a bedside table.

Does anyone have a model with a closed facade and an exposed control panel? And then if you still manage to shove 45 cm, and the color is unlikely to coincide with the color of the oven ... Otherwise, close it with a new facade ...

And that would be great!

There are 4 of us in the family, PMM 45cm (although there was no problem of space at all), and for 5 years I have never thought that more is needed. And the fact that 60 cm is filled every day is not a problem, as Jefry wrote above, the same volume of dishes is placed in 60 more freely. Baking trays are easy to clean - the upper basket is removed (I think that this manipulation is needed even at 60, they do not become in height), as well as a mesh filter from the hood along with them. But the little one ... is the mother's. But she is alone, she cooks in small pots, she does not have an oven at all (and is disgusting, respectively). In my opinion, this is a very extreme measure.

Does anyone have a model with a closed facade and an exposed control panel? And then if you still manage to shove 45 cm, and the color is unlikely to coincide with the color of the oven ... Otherwise, close it with a new facade ...

I have Bosch, completely covered with a furniture facade. Buttons at the end of the door. Need a photo?

I also thought for a long time where to fit the dishwasher, I also thought about the option in the bathroom, I really didn't want to touch the bedside tables and I just put it against the wall not far from the sink, and I also put a microwave on it and now I'm happy like an elephant, and before, too, washed the dishes for half a night. We bought 45 cm and I don’t regret it much, it is enough for us, considering that the family consists of 6 adults. We have breakfast and dinner at home, and I have enough room for everything, including pots, only on the weekend I start it 2 times. I used a powder and a tablet, but I came to the conclusion that the best gel is for dishwashers, I really liked it, now I will only buy the gel.

Oops! What kind of gel? Why dont know? Where was I? Can you tell which company?

Ann @ is a Charmy Crystal Detergent for automatic dishwashers (gel) from LION, but in general, type Japanese household chemicals on the Internet and you will find a lot of interesting things. I switched to Japanese washing powders for a long time and also used dishwasher powder, but I liked the gel more, and it is already with rinse aid and you can not add rinse aid.

Japanese? Interestingly, we have such animals found (sold)? Thank you very much, interested, look for a boom.

[Hairpin]

Hairpin, required take see built-in, not detached! At first I looked detached, but they are all deeper in depth! They are 60-63cm, and the built-in - 55. If you take 60cm they will definitely stick out from the common facade. And our insertion fits perfectly. For a built-in with an open panel (they are the most expensive), the door will be completely individual. And so we, for example, in Kastorama, recruited the kitchen with separate elements, and the facades there are standard, the 45cm facade on the PMM perfectly suited.

By the way, when they were looking for the kitchen, I came across an advertisement of some kind of firm somewhere, so they are engaged in the facades to the kitchen. Ie.they advertised - we will update your old kitchen - we will change the facades to it. They come, measure and make all the facades according to your size. Maybe you have one.

[Aunath]

Aunath!
I will not take a separate one, but I did not understand about the open panel. Can you throw links or pictures with the panel 45 open and closed?

Baking trays are easy to clean - the upper basket is removed (I think that this manipulation is also needed at 60, they do not become in height), as well as a mesh filter from the hood along with them.

At 60 cm (I have just one), you do not need to remove anything to wash the baking sheets - the baking sheet is placed right on the entire shelf. And below you can wash other dishes. Having tried it, I will not change my 60 cm for 45 cm and a smaller PM.

[Hairpin]

Hairpin, well, for example these (just the first ones)

Panel open 🔗
with closed panel 🔗

An open panel has control buttons in front, and a closed one - at the end of the door.

[Anastasia]

Anastasia, no doubt that 60cm is better, BUT IMHO the difference between 45 and 60 is not as radical as between the desktop and 45cm
I have similar to the second link aynat, only Bosch.
And the facades are best ordered in the same place where the kitchen was ordered (especially since it was not so long ago). Then they will definitely not be different.

I disagree with MargoL about switching to tablets.
In terms of money, it is much more economical to use separately powder and rinse aid. If it is very dirty - a lot of powder, if you need to rinse - no powder at all. For example, a package of Calgonit powder for 1 kg is enough for me for 3 months and this is with 1-2 washes daily. I have a high 45cm BOSH. For 2 people, it is always loaded (there is no habit of eating from one plate and one spoon). Honestly, I can't even imagine the use of PM-half-light.

And here I do not agree. The quality of washing dishes with powder and tablets, as they say in Odessa "Two big differences" Tablets make the dishes much cleaner.

So I don't care to order a new facade for it? And in both cases? I thought it would have a door like an oven ...

There are freestanding models with the possibility of building in. To do this, they remove the top cover. Then the facade is not needed.

Hairpin, can I express my thoughts a little? It looks like we have similar living conditions. Only I have a 5.8m kitchen. So the problem of space is very urgent - sometimes you want to cry from these 30m. So, I have a corner kitchen (Ikea). I donated the kitchen table, dragged the refrigerator to its place, and put the built-in PM (Bosch) instead of the refrigerator. Absolutely silent - for an uninsulated room, like mine, it's just a salvation. But it broke down, changed. I bought a door and a baseboard in Ikea, I had a sidewall and a piece of countertop. Now we eat on this countertop. And I want to buy a fully folding table (with the "ears" folded) and put it in the room, under the hanging TV. Yes, it is a little inconvenient in terms of taking food at the table top, but we have so much free time. And now cooking takes much less time and effort (for example, drying dishes was a big problem).
And the washing machine, by the way, is in my corridor. It is inconvenient, of course, but what to do ... So if there is no choice - put it in the bathroom - it's still better than living without PM.