Kitchen machine Kenwood (2)

I read the recipe, there is nothing complicated :) I bake such loaves and sourdough bread every other day, maybe you have a problem with flour;) I had this - how much flour I did not pour, but the dough seemed to be nothing, but after a couple of minutes it just flowed- I changed the flour and that's all I need to leave here - off-topic conversation

[balbesik]

balbesik
If you have a high speed grater, the hole is the same

balbesik
I measured 5.5 X 7.5 cm

Thank you so much!
Phillips has 5x5.5, I just put them next to each other (a cube and a high-speed one) visually it seems that the difference is more than 2 cm.
So there is one reason for buying a nozzle, I have already come up with the second one - you do not need to hold the button - turn it on and load with both hands, otherwise in Filipka, out of habit, it is not very convenient to press the button with one hand, and load and push with the other .. ...
On the other hand, I don't need a lot of cubes - I don't use them for blanks, only salads in winter and okroshka in summer.
In general, the head is spinning, whether to take or not take, that is the question

Thank you so much!

In general, the head is spinning, whether to take or not take, that is the question

As I understand you, I myself was in this state the day before yesterday, but literally 15 minutes, and then I decided - TO TAKE, but I have one more argument - I don't have Bosch and Phillips

knowledgeable people explain what is wrong? I have a cache of km020, when kneading the dough, I put all the products in the bowl, mixed for 5 minutes, then let it stand for 10 minutes, then speed 2 and go! so after 10 minutes I look at all the dough on the hook, the bowl is clean,

At this time, the gluten of the dough has developed perfectly, all signs point to this.

...
I think I'll give it another 5 minutes and turn it off, I go up and what I see again to the bowl at the bottom is stuck, I think let it grind some more, and how many threshers the result was the same!
what's wrong? maybe it was necessary to turn it off as soon as everything was on the hook? or thresh to victory?

The gluten completely collapsed, you can't bake good bread from such a dough, IMHO.
It is important to remember that it is better not to finish the dough than to interrupt. Next time stop the kneader on time and you will succeed!

As I understand you, I myself was in this state the day before yesterday, but literally 15 minutes, and then I decided - TO TAKE, but I have one more argument - I don't have Bosch

I have Phillips ...

But about meditation, this is definitely noticed.

[balbesik]

balbesik
Sorry, I'm used to the fact that Bosch only cuts into cubes, I didn't want to offend your technique

The gluten completely collapsed, you can't bake good bread from such a dough, IMHO.
It is important to remember that it is better not to finish the dough than to interrupt. Next time stop the kneader in time and you will succeed!

Margit!
Does this summary also apply to dumplings?
I do it so often when I knead dumplings. I knead it until it stops sticking to my hands.
I'm afraid if I unplug it earlier, that is, when it is completely wrapped around the hook, it may still be unchanged and stick to my hands.
Please clarify.

If you will allow me, I will give my comment to the post above. https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=114203.0

I have my own topic on this subject Kneading bread dough (wheat and wheat-rye) in a combine and manually https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=138203.0 and my observations on kneading BREAD Dough

At the first stage, the flour grabbed water, nourished, swelled, turned into a lump of dough. But this does not mean that gluten has formed, it is just that the flour has absorbed all the water.
But further, during kneading, gluten and gluten threads begin to form.And here it may turn out that the dough is either too steep or too liquid, and this situation cannot be corrected without the intervention of hands, you need to add flour / water and bring the dough to the desired consistency. And then knead the dough well until smooth.

But, at some stage, "daub" under the dough can again form. I don't think the dough is overripe, the gluten is gone. This property of flour to gradually absorb water (or vice versa), flour can take flour much more than its weight.
Therefore, here you need to decide:
- add another spoonful of flour and bring the dough to the desired consistency
- do not add flour, make the dough very soft, as it is required according to the recipe of the author of the bread

For myself, I calculated this method of kneading the dough:
- put the ingredients for the dough into the bowl, make a rough knead of the dough at low speed 1, literally just to mix the flour and liquid and the dough is clumsy, turn off the combine
- let flour swell for 20-30 minutes
- turn on kneading the dough at 2 speeds and bring the dough to smoothness, this will take about 7-10 minutes.
With this method, the dough is almost always obtained immediately, smooth, kneaded, with developed gluten.

Have a good test

[bread yeast dough]

Margit!
Does this summary also apply to dumplings?
I do it so often when I knead dumplings. I knead it until it stops sticking to my hands.
I'm afraid if I unplug it earlier, that is, when it is completely wrapped around the hook, it may still be unchanged and stick to my hands.
Please clarify.

This mix applies only to bread yeast dough!

With dumplings, everything can be much easier.
Mixing options are also possible here:
- make the dough soft
- make the dough very steep
Dough consistency options for an amateur. I remember my mother also taught me how to knead a VERY cool dough, and I had to constantly add flour and roll the bun with HANDS each time until the dough was smooth. Moreover, by the end of the kneading, the hands no longer felt anything and did not want to do anything.
Now I have adopted other methods of kneading the dough. The main thing is that the dough in the bowl of the combine becomes relatively steep, for this it is enough to knead it not so long, the main thing is that the dough grabs and becomes smooth.
Next, I put the dough on a board, cover it with a bowl and leave it to swell for about 20 minutes, after which the dough, having absorbed flour / water, becomes even softer. You could add flour and roll more and more with flour. But I cut the dough into small pieces and start rolling it out on a typewriter or rolling pin, adding flour. This pouring is enough for the dough to become quite normal for rolling and slicing. And dumplings, dumplings, noodles are never soft!

Oh, click on the keys for a long time, look in this section, all my types of test, how I do it, how I use it, and I wrote everything in pictures

Any questions, I will answer

[Lyi]

Margit!
Does this summary also apply to dumplings?
I do it so often when I knead dumplings. I knead it until it stops sticking to my hands.
I'm afraid if I unplug it earlier, that is, when it is completely wrapped around the hook, it may still be unchanged and stick to my hands.
Please clarify.

Lyi
Admin I wrote it partly correctly, and I believe that any dough can be interrupted, including dumplings. Manual kneading is much more gentle, and it is almost impossible to interrupt it, all the more adding flour all the time. With a dough mixer, everything is different. As many revolutions as the kneader does while stirring, you cannot catch it with your hands and in a day.

in general, the Kenwood Km070 kitchen machine came out under the rhyme in the Russian Federation Kenwood Km080 series, and the machine or its set will be referred to as Kenwood Km086, in general, the price for the BT 080 park set will be 70k)))) which corresponds to the "name of the European model"
GOOD fat gain in 35k, how do you ??? our greedy hucksters? !!!!! and everyone will heat us up, they made model 080, which they don't know anywhere in Europe, "and we have the most elephantine elephant in our apartment" =)))

Today I was in MVideo, they said that a new kitchen has appeared. Kenwood machine with dice cutting attachment.Can you please tell me how it is called correctly and where can you buy it?

it's just a new nozzle appeared for kenwood kitchen machines, in my opinion MGX400

help, poh, with a choice of a grater for Chef.
low speed or disc vegetable cutter?
in other combines I had a low-speed counterpart. and I don't know if the disk is convenient?

SOMEONE uses KM 084, 086, 089 ??? What kind of a miracle is this? Answer me, please !!!

help, poh, with a choice of a grater for Chef.
low speed or disc vegetable cutter?
in other combines I had a low-speed counterpart. and I don't know if the disk is convenient?

Try to go to the topic: "Kenwood Kitchen Machine - Working with Attachments"

SOMEONE uses KM 084, 086, 089 ??? What kind of a miracle is this? Answer me, please !!!

the same km 070 only with a rebrand))

I have been choosing a harvester for more than a month. There is an opportunity to buy inexpensive clathronic or bomann, but they are not praised. I watched Kenwood KM 266. Suitable for the price, but the reviews are bad. Inside, some plastic nuts break quickly. Nobody will say about the KMX and Kenwood KM 416 models? Or do not take a steam bath and buy Bosch 5. The dough must be kneaded no more than 500g. And the Kenwoods seem to knead a small amount badly. Please advise

I do not know about Bosch 5, but the clathronic is a hundred of the Lord! and don't think!

I'll ask more in this thread, otherwise no one answers in the topic about the attachments! Does anyone have an AT-935 nozzle (juicer)?

I used a similar one, only for km070, I had a strange "tapping" in the car itself when using the juicer attachment.

I'll ask more in this thread, otherwise no one answers in the topic about the attachments! Does anyone have an AT-935 nozzle (juicer)?

I have both

Enjoyed both
Large juicer - made juice for the winter - I'm happy
Tricky - it will not be assembled incorrectly - this is +
Small - good for citrus fruits. Without her, I can't "get" so much juice
Squeezes dry practically. Easy to assemble - easy to clean

I have both
Small - good for citrus fruits. Without her, I can't "get" so much juice
Squeezes dry practically. Easy to assemble - easy to clean

I pressed the juice on the A-935 from vegetables and fruits like this: after 3-5 applications, the thorns on the knife were erased! I want to ask you how things are with the knife? is it worth buying a new $ 37? (maybe I got a defective knife)?

Girls have a choice between 020 and 040
Do I understand correctly that the attachments are the same for these two models?
the only difference is the presence of a timer?
The question is still this. Is there a need for this timer?
Especially who deals with custom-made cakes, girls, tell me?

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Dovchata and lads, here we have a range of prices for Kenwood KMM 020
And why is the latter cheaper than the rest?

The following information was found about the manufacturers:

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In 1947, entrepreneur Kenneth Wood founded Woodlau Industries for the production of household appliances, which was soon renamed Kenwood.

In 2001, Kenwood became part of the Italian De'Longhi Group, expanding its product range and consolidating its position in the international market. Today Kenwood is the name of a leading manufacturer of household and kitchen appliances exporting to over 80 countries with manufacturing facilities in the UK, Italy and China.

Kenwood's headquarters are located in Havant, Hampshire, UK, and the second headquarters, which controls the company's operations in the Far East, is in Hong Kong. "

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If we are looking for a little cheaper, then it will be produced in China?
Although Chinese can be sold at an overpriced price, and passed off as Italy or Vel-nia
How do you define a manufacturer?
Or is it not important?

And Kenwood KM 010 has 100 watts less power, but there is a meat grinder
And a juicer to boot. What's wrong here?

[if you order a stove abroad]

I wanted to ask - if you order a stove abroad in Europe - HOW TO BE WITH A GUARANTEE?

like me to fuck the brain of the SC, which nNNUUUUuuuu doesn’t know how to do what we haven’t worked out yet, although 010 is long ago, well, in general, I would take a chance)

[Kolich]

Kolich, and your German friend still agrees to send the Kenwoods to Russia? After all, he has delivery on the website only to the countries of the European Union.
In general, the number of sellers who send to Russia is decreasing before our eyes. Now on Ebay you can often see international delivery with a huge list of countries, including what kind of Uganda, Nigeria, etc., as well as Ukraine, Belarus, Tajikistan ... but "B We are not sending the Russian Federation ".... Back in 2009-2010, this was not the case.

[Kolich]

Kolich, and your German friend still agrees to send the Kenwoods to Russia? After all, he has delivery on the website only to the EU countries.
In general, the number of sellers who send to Russia is decreasing before our eyes. Now on Ebay you can often see international delivery with a huge list of countries, including what kind of Uganda, Nigeria, etc., as well as Ukraine, Belarus, Tajikistan ... but "B We are not sending the Russian Federation ".... Back in 2009-2010, this was not the case.

yes, if I ask him, he will send
Well, we have a country of idiots, especially Customs, there is finally a circus, and why does the seller need problems when customs can rob a parcel? I had it with two or three iPhones, two were in one package, and the other in the second, so one was completely cleaned out, and one was pulled out of the other! and all this at the CUSTOMS, after customs, the parcel lost weight dramatically. therefore sellers would rather not send to the Russian Federation than have a ton of problems.

It seems that without an escort, the parcels will not arrive unharmed.

[Kolich]

Kolich, thanks! I’ll think about it until February, see what and at what price will be brought to our stores (they promised the Kenwoods will arrive for the New Year), and I don’t want to contact the mail before the New Year (the most problematic time) ... If I decide, it will be possible to visit you in a personal contact?

It seems that without an escort, the parcels will not arrive unharmed.

yes no ..... it's just that our mail loves the Apple technique, it's like a dog that sees a bitch during estrus .....
essentially like other phones and tablets.
everything else is safe to send in 99% of cases if it is not a force majeure.

[Kolich]

Kolich, thanks! I’ll think about it until February, see what and at what price will be brought to our stores (they promised the Kenwoods will arrive for the New Year), and I don’t want to contact the mail before the New Year (the most problematic time) ... If I decide, it will be possible to visit you in a personal contact?

and so yes knock call
it is best to buy here so that there are fewer problems ...
For example, on Wednesday in the SC, I was told that it was "normal" that the citrus press turned away, I started laughing very loudly into the phone))))

[Ukrainka]

Many thanks to everyone involved in this topic for the correspondence help.
in choosing a kitchen assistant. I reread everything and chose Kenwood KM020.
Ukrainkawho are interested: I bought it cheaper on the website. not. yuei.
At that time, there was the best price: with delivery from Kiev to Chernivtsi
The new mail unit cost 5300 hryvnia in the basic configuration.
The price on the website is 5209 hryvnia.
Now it's up to the nozzles, and the price for them is as for saffron (((
I just wonder how he will beat 12 whites if my 6 on the Bounty took
almost the entire capacity, but it is rather big)))
And how he kneads the dumplings!
I didn't know it could be like that! Smooth, soft, non-sticky ...
Satisfied is not the right word!
And what a handsome man! This is definitely for life)))
Thanks again to everyone !!!)))
Reason for editing: not the best comparison for our friendly and very decent forum. Let's find more pleasant associations for such pleasant things.

[AlenaT! Congratulations on your purchase! Let Kesha always make you happy!]

AlenaT! Congratulations on your purchase! Let Kesha always make you happy!
I, too, have Ken020 for several years and am still glad that I have it.

Congratulations!!!!
KM Kenwood are great helpers in the kitchen. And they take up space no more than seemingly small combines
The attachments are not cheap - but very high quality.
Choose the ones you need and use with pleasure!
Majors are handsome.
I myself wanted this - but then they were not. But I am also very happy with the 10th !!!!

Please tell me what is the difference between KENWOOD KM 010 and KENWOOD KMC 010?

Please tell me what is the difference between KENWOOD KM 010 and KENWOOD KMC 010?

Judging by the information that was shoveled over several months, what I found out by the letter marking of the Kenwoods (I myself was at a loss, figuring out how the KM 020 differs from the KMM 020) so this is the following - the letter marking with the same numbers means for which country it is sold, well, or in which country.
In this case, KM 020 is for Russians, and KMM 020 is already for us, in Ukraine.
Yours, too, turns out KM and CCM.
Although the model is absolutely the same. Although sometimes in the same online store there are both models, though slightly different in price. I have not personally checked it, but I think that the equipment is the same. Apparently the terms of purchases are different, therefore the price is different.
The one who has access to both can confirm exactly ...

I reread everything and chose Kenwood KM020.

Congratulations! The other day I bought KM086 for my family. So if you have questions, ask.
The main differences from KM070:
- new food processor (six shredders instead of three, stainless steel handle);
- glass blender bowl (very heavy even for me, not to mention my wife .. but transparent! and this plus exceeds the minus weight);
- the stirring head got a curved shape, and not in one plane as it was in the 70th; now it turns out that the nozzle removes what lies on the walls down, as a result, stirring occurs not only in the horizontal plane, but also in the vertical one.

I wonder what kind of changes occurred in 089 relative to 086?
And by the way, where did you buy it and for what?

Guys and girls, thank you all for the congratulations, and I apologize to the moderators for the accidental comparison that came out, well, purely mechanically :-) :-) :-)
And sho, saffron is really so expensive :-) :-) :-)

retail saffron costs 85 UAH. (about USD 10) per gram.

Wholesale prices (4 years ago): Saffron was and still remains a very expensive spice (The cheapest Iranian saffron costs USD 460-470 per kg; Greek saffron - USD 770-790 per kg (Reuters). expensive Spanish saffron costs 900-950 US dollars per 1 kg.).

We are talking about real saffron, not calendula or black-haired stamens.

Please tell me what is the difference between KENWOOD KM 010 and KENWOOD KMC 010?

The difference in letters indicates a different configuration !!!! And the car model is really the same !!

A meat grinder, a blender and a centrifugal juicer go to KMC 010, and only a blender to KM 010.

Judging by the information that was shoveled over several months, what I found out by the letter marking of the Kenwoods (I myself was at a loss, figuring out how the KM 020 differs from the KMM 020) so this is the following - the letter marking with the same numbers means for which country it is sold, well, or in which country.
In this case, KM 020 is for Russians, and KMM 020 is already for us, in Ukraine.
Yours, too, turns out KM and CCM.
Although the model is absolutely the same. Although sometimes in the same online store there are both models, though slightly different in price. I have not personally checked it, but I think that the equipment is the same. Apparently the terms of purchases are different, therefore the price is different.
The one who has access to both can confirm exactly ...

The difference in letters indicates a different configuration !!!! And the car model is really the same !!

thanks for the answer, just in many online stores there are two models with the same trim levels, but with a decent price difference, so I thought there was some fundamental difference. And so I'll take KM010, I'll just save up the money .. well, sooo I like it ..)))))

thanks for the answer, just in many online stores there are two models with the same trim levels, but with a decent price difference, so I thought there was some fundamental difference. And so I'll take KM010, I'll just save up the money .. well, sooo I like it ..)))))

With regard to Internet shops, I have great doubts that the same equipment is available with different labeling of the device. Itself on this occasion shoveled up and down, with calls to Internet shops and visits to shops in the city.I came to the conclusion that sellers often do not quite have information and understand what they are talking about. This also applies to the Kenwood branded online store in Kiev. I repeatedly called them, but I did not receive more information than on the website. They do not know anything-oh-oh-oh !!!! In addition to what I can read and so I am already silent for other Internet shops So do not flatter yourself and clearly decide for yourself in what composition the car you need, then look and demand. Better yet, make sure personally or specify a list of nozzles in the application (even whisks and hooks !!! Today KM 010 has not 3, but 4 nozzles for dough, do you know about that? Here is the price difference ... the labeling is no different, just different release times

I wonder what kind of changes occurred in 089 relative to 086?
And by the way, where did you buy it and for what?

At the official representative of Kenwood in Ukraine, the Delonghi company.
The price, to make it more clear, is somewhere around 1280 US tugriks.
By the way, there is a bonus sales program. I can act as a referrer for a purchase and as a result, together with a potential buyer, we can reduce the cost of the next purchase.
I really haven’t done this yet, there may be this money for the purchase of accessories, etc. It is necessary to clarify .. But still, there is an opportunity .. Consider this when buying.

and where to take this into account? and who is most important?

Guys and girls, let me disagree about online stores.
She herself bought her handsome man at a cheaper price. not. yuei.
I hit the manager Yuri, very sensibly and intelligibly told about the car,
and subsequently I have already contacted him directly by mobile.
I was completely satisfied with the cooperation, which resulted in the purchase of the unit :-)
And how many before that they read about these shops: both boors there, and incompetent ...
So let's consider myself lucky :-) :-) :-)

and where does the Internet shop? this is a voluntary, you-take-you-want-no.
but the fact that someone somewhere in the three-ninth kingdom heard and then carried it, this is especially typical for people who are Internet like a space rocket

I did this: I opened the official websites of Kenwood - Ukrainian and Russian, and just compared: on the Ukrainian website (our Ukrainians took a hustle in advance - there is even something that is not on the native Kenwood), and on the Russian official. site - everything corresponds to the native, everything is clear and understandable, no unnecessary bukoFF.
Here is Ukrainian for example, there is even a comparison table (remove the stars)
it is very clear that there are big questions about the bundling. You can't figure it out without half a liter.
Although in Russian, there are not even models with such letters as we have in Ukraine. So understand them ...

And the complete set still needs to be specifically specified when ordering. Moreover, now most of them work not on prepayment, but on payment upon receipt. For example, I always warn the seller (if I doubt his competence or see that he is really lazy), that if it does not correspond to the declared characteristics, I will return it immediately, so take the trouble to clarify the complete set.
Agree. It's also not in their interests to roll orders back and forth at their own expense.
IMHO.