Lozja
Quote: juicy

I want it to have both a mixer and a blender ... the main thing is that I can beat the protein, knead the dough for curd casseroles, chop! I want to cook mayonnaise! The most important thing is that it takes up a minimum of space !!!
And so, I don't know what else they can do!

For all this, I would recommend the Braun K700. He did everything to me that you listed for more than one year, then I needed a daily kneading of yeast dough, but it is not very suitable for this, so I took Bosch for myself. But my Brownie is in the hallway on a locker, I still can't manage to hide it in a box and not get it. Just because for chopping (including small quantities of food), grinding cottage cheese for curd products, making pancake dough and, in general, any batter, mixing something in a matter of seconds - this Brown is just a godsend for the hostess.
There is one "But", I would not say that it is the smallest combine, it is rather average. Although I saw many harvesters much more massive. Just comparing to Boschik, it takes up less space in length than my Brown. But what a functional! This is for you a mixer, and a chopper, and a shredder, and a mixer, and a kneader for dumplings in half a minute, and a blender, and in general ... Plus a citrus juicer and a juicer (centrifuge) for solid products such as potatoes and carrots.

Watch the video, everything is short and detailed about all the functions of the combine (I really envy myself):



Gibus
Being also the owner of Brown K700, I am forced to notice that it doesn’t matter how much (whites, for example). Unless only if you buy a whisk with a gearbox for it. And in the package he has a plastic beater for this, which looks like a horizontally turned ladder and it is not very effective ... I also bought a planetary mixer for whipping and kneading the dough. But for shredding, grating, chopping, making all kinds of smoothies, I still use Brown - it is more convenient. Three nuts or a zest cut from 1 lemon without problems and very evenly grinds in a small container. And although he is already 12 years old, I cannot part with him, everything works! So both units are on the table, although there is not much space in the kitchen.
Lozja
Quote: Gibus

Being also the owner of Brown K700, I am forced to notice that it doesn’t matter how much (whites, for example). Unless only if you buy a whisk with a gearbox for it. And in the package he has a plastic beater for this, which looks like a horizontally turned ladder and it is not very effective ... I also bought a planetary mixer for whipping and kneading the dough. But for shredding, grating, chopping, making all kinds of smoothies, I still use Brown - it is more convenient. Three nuts or a zest cut from 1 lemon without problems and very evenly grinds in a small container. And although he is already 12 years old, I cannot part with him, everything works! So both units are on the table, although there is not much space in the kitchen.

I did not mention this, because as far as I understood, in recent years a completely different design of a rim has been going to it, which rotates around the bowl, metal. Here he, I think, whips the whites perfectly.
Lozja
Quote: juicy

Lozja, Gibus, thanks a lot girls for the advice ... but what about Kenwood ?? Many praise him! I want to buy good equipment so that I will not regret it later! But Brown also interested me very much!

So it depends on what financial capabilities you have.If you have money for Kenwood + buy all the necessary graters and the rest of the nozzles for it, each of which costs like half Brown - then, of course, take Kenwood. But it seems to me that a harvester with a processor bowl is more suitable for your needs, rather than a planetary type. But it's up to you, of course.
juicy
Quote: Lozja

So it depends on what financial capabilities you have. If you have money for Kenwood + buy all the necessary graters and the rest of the nozzles for it, each of which costs like half Brown - then, of course, take Kenwood. But it seems to me that a harvester with a processor bowl is more suitable for your needs, rather than a planetary type. But it's up to you, of course.
Yes, I can't decide for myself, so I ask for help here!
The price ... I want to 1.5 thousand UAH. fit in and take good equipment (like, for example, my cartoon dex 60 ..... well, what could be better)
Lozja
Quote: juicy

Yes, I can't decide for myself, so I ask for help here!
The price ... I want to 1.5 thousand UAH. fit in and take good equipment (like, for example, my cartoon dex 60 ..... well, what could be better)

Oh, Duc at Kenwood then don't even look, this money will only be enough for you for a bowl from Kenwood.

Look, a Kenwood or Bosch type combine (planetary type) will never make you the most delicate mass out of cottage cheese for a casserole or stuffing. It will mix, yes, but it will not grind it into an air mass, as a processor-type combine will do (with a large bowl with knives). The blender attachment is also not suitable for this, checked. Which is why I can't hide my Brown.
Pancake dough in a large bowl is a second. In Boch, this is such a hemorrhage with a blender + the result is not at all happy compared to a bowl with knives in Brown. Chopping something, if there is a lot of it, is also just a bowl of knives. In Boch, this is only with graters, shredders, and this is not always what is needed. Plus it is Brown with his small bowl - this is the normal grinding of small amounts of food. An ordinary high blender in another combine unloads it all along the sides of the bowl and is zero sense.
In general, I took a new planetary harvester solely for the sake of kneading dough, for the sake of beating proteins alone, I would never spend money in my life.
For these reasons, I would advise you to choose a good processor-type combine, preferably with a small chopper, and always with a whisk that goes around the bowl.
juicy
Quote: Lozja

For these reasons, I would advise you to choose a good processor-type combine, preferably with a small chopper, and always with a whisk that goes around the bowl.
it follows that the Braun CombiMax K 700 would be the ideal vehicle for me, right?
Thank you very much for your detailed answers !!! It's worth a lot!
Lozja
Quote: juicy

it follows that the Braun CombiMax K 700 would be the ideal vehicle for me, right?
Thank you very much for your detailed answers !!! It's worth a lot!

If you find another model with a small chopper, then not necessarily Brown. Well, a very valuable thing - this shredder. If you do not have such a manual one (they often go to blenders), then you will understand later - what is its beauty.
And if you take the same Brown, then specify what kind of whisk is there, metal or plastic. You need a metal stem that runs around the bowl. The Phillips also have such a whisk.
Good luck with your choice!
juicy
Quote: Lozja

If you find another model with a small chopper, then not necessarily Brown. Well, a very valuable thing - this shredder. If you do not have such a manual one (they often go to blenders), then you will understand later - what is its beauty.
And if you take the same Brown, then specify what kind of whisk is there, metal or plastic. You need a metal stem that runs around the bowl. The Phillips also have such a whisk.
Good luck with your choice!
oh, you confused me ... and what other good models are there ???
Lozja
Quote: juicy

oh, you confused me ... and what other good models are there ???

I don't know about the good ones, I can only talk about my Brown, because I used it.I just look at other models that I trade, and from similar ones (by the attachments) I see that the Phillips are also kind of similar. True, there is no small chopper there.
juicy
Quote: Lozja

Just Kenwood ?! Wow!
yes, well, or Kenwood for 3400 UAH, I don't remember the model .... kapets .... Brown completely criticized (((((((
and I almost fell in love with him .... said that he doesn’t beat squirrels AT ALL!
What do you say ... you have it ... whips? well???
Lozja
Quote: juicy

yes, well, or Kenwood for 3400 UAH, I don't remember the model .... kapets .... Brown completely criticized (((((((
and I almost fell in love with him .... said that he doesn’t beat squirrels AT ALL!
What do you say ... you have it ... whips? well???

Again, I have a Brown, bought 4 years ago. Now it comes with a different whisk than mine (I think so, because in the pictures on the internet there is another whisk). This other whisk should whip without problems, it seems to me. Although, I even managed to beat the whites with my own.
In general, I agree that no one will beat squirrels better than a planetary type of combine, BUT! It is quite possible to do this in processors, having the required rim in the package.
And then you need to decide what you need more - the perfect whipping of whites or all the other functions that you named.
And of course, a man is not alive by Kenwood alone, it is the sellers who are deceiving. It is, of course, more profitable for them to sell you an expensive harvester than some kind of Bosch for 1.5-2 thousand.
Here is a Temka, read it, it is small - https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=61419.0, there people were tormented by similar questions.
Lozja
Quote: juicy

I want the whites to whip well! and I want everything else too)))) what to do?

Buy two. And what to do? Who is easy now? Let's speculate. How often do you whisk the whites? And how often do you do the rest?

Girls, ay! Respond, who has such a whisk in the combine:

Food processor

who walks around the bowl. How does he deal with proteins? Darling, help the person figure it out!
Lozja
Oh, I found this interesting sign:

Food processor

Lozja
Some kind of 750 model, which is nowhere to be found ... weird. But, in search of a picture of this corolla, I found syudas
And here she-she, if I had not bought myself a Bosch, I would definitely order myself this whisk with a leg! And would have whipped my Brown squirrels, I think it would not have gone anywhere.
Lozja
juicy, I already feel sorry for you, I myself will start to choose - my head swells!

In general, if mashed curd mass, pancake batter, tight dumplings and chopping a handful of products are not so important to you, take Bosch and do not suffer. You will have perfect proteins 100%. Plus a real meat grinder. Plus yeast dough. These are the three main advantages of this type of combine.
nazik
I bought a whisk from the Brown Service Center.
juicy
Lozja, you are generally mega cool, I don’t know how to thank you for your help ... and found the table ...
To be honest, I myself am already in shock, from the fact that I do not know how to find a suitable combine ...
But the fact that you found a whisk for Brown made me very happy, maybe then I really just buy a whisk and that's it! But Brown has many other good built-in knives and stirrers, and you can buy a whisk! It's just that I still really liked Brown ... and black ... and white ... well, handsome!
Py. sy ... Tell me please, what model do you have Boshik ??
And are there any brands, models of kitchens? harvesters, which is better not to buy ???
Lozja
Quote: nazik

I bought a whisk from the Brown Service Center.

Tell us how he copes with the tasks, please! Interested in proteins, cream.
juicy
I printed, probably about 40 pieces, of different models and brands of combines ... I will try to figure it out at home too !!!
Lozja
Quote: juicy

Py. sy ... Tell me please, what model do you have Boshik ??
And are there any brands, models of kitchens? harvesters, which is better not to buy ???

I have a Bosch MUM 4756.
About those that are better not to buy - not in the know. You need to study all Temki here about combines.
juicy
Quote: Lozja

I have a Bosch MUM 4756.
and how does he beat eggs? great probably ???
Lozja
Quote: juicy

and how does he beat eggs? great probably ???

Beats great! The main thing is without my participation. If whipping is the most important thing for you in a food processor, then of course it's Boshiki Mumas. For your money, which you are counting on, the 4675th model will be enough for you.

Food processor
juicy
Quote: Lozja

Beats great! The main thing is without my participation. If whipping is the most important thing for you in a food processor, then of course it's Boshiki Mumas.
but what does he not know how to do ??? (sorry for stupid questions ... but I don't know who else to ask)
Lozja
Quote: juicy

but what does he not know how to do ??? (sorry for stupid questions ... but I don't know who else to ask)

He does not know how to make an airy mass out of cottage cheese, he simply mixes it with the rest of the ingredients with a whisk for mixing and that's it, the grains will remain. I tried it in a blender - not at all. In this regard, the processor is irreplaceable. Although, while I am writing, it dawned on me - there is a meat grinder in it! I just got so used to doing it in the processor, I completely forgot that they do it in a regular meat grinder! Cottage cheese is passed through it several times and it's done. I haven't tried it myself. But once upon a time there were no processors of any kind and combines. Rubbed through a sieve and twisted through a meat grinder.
The pancake dough will work better in the processor. Tight dumplings dough better in the processor than in Boch. Well, there will be no small chopper. And the graters there, shredders - everything is the same.
juicy
to be honest, I'm completely confused, that's the truth, now I don't know which one to buy, I can say for sure that I'm ready to do without a meat grinder, this is something that doesn't bother me at all whether it will be or not! But I want you to whip the proteins well, mix the casseroles, whisk bananas, here in the video that you showed about Brown, well, the perfect harvester is straight! EVERYTHING can!
And which of them will turn out to be the most suitable, that is, with the most used functions, so that nothing is idle in vain, I can not even imagine! And so I want to buy a combine, which I will never regret!

tell me, if you buy a whisk to Brown, what do you think is better Bosch or Brown ???
Lozja
Quote: juicy

tell me, if you buy a whisk to Brown, what do you think is better Bosch or Brown ???

if this whisk does an excellent job with proteins, and if you do not need the combine to knead the dough for your bread, then definitely - Brown!

It remains only to get information from someone about this whisk. Well, after all, many models of combines have such a whisk. Girls, do not be silent, say a few words about this thing! It's not difficult for you, but save a person from the torment of choice!
juicy
Quote: Lozja

if this whisk does an excellent job with proteins, and if you do not need the combine to knead the dough for your bread, then definitely - Brown!

It remains only to get information from someone about this whisk. Well, after all, many models of combines have such a whisk. Girls, do not be silent, say a few words about this thing! It's not difficult for you, but save a person from the torment of choice!
but Bosch is more functional, right?
That is, if you compare these models, is Bosch better? After all, their price is almost the same .... but about bread dough .... I hope that in the near future I will buy a bread maker, then the dough kneading function will not be needed, I hope?
Lozja
Quote: juicy

but Bosch is more functional, right?
That is, if you compare these models, is Bosch better? After all, their price is almost the same .... but about bread dough .... I hope that in the near future I will buy a bread maker, then the dough kneading function will not be needed, I hope?

Why is it more functional than Bosch? For me personally, Brown is more functional, it turns out. That is why I say that if everything is good with a whisk, then Brown is definitely.
juicy
Quote: Lozja

Why is it more functional than Bosch? For me personally, Brown is more functional, it turns out. That is why I say that if everything is good with a whisk, then Brown is definitely.
here is what I wanted to hear! it remains to find out about the whisk and its functionality!

It is a pity that we are only discussing together ... ay ... girls .... come to the rescue ... share your experience, pliz !!!
Lozja
Quote: juicy

here is what I wanted to hear! it remains to find out about the whisk and its functionality!

It is a pity that we are only discussing together ... ay ... girls .... come to the rescue ... share your experience, pliz !!!

Just about, it feels like no one else has a harvester except me.
Daffi
I have a harvester ... even two. And there is a hand blender too. I have already told as much as I could about combines, pros and cons. If necessary, I can search for links to my posts.

I really like Brown K300, but it seems like they don't make it anymore. Here the pictures were https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...=1007.0
Lozja
Quote: Daffi

I have a harvester ... even two. And there is a hand blender too. I have already told as much as I could about combines, pros and cons. If necessary, I can search for links to my posts.

Do you have such a whisk in some combine - reduction, or whatever it is?
Daffi
Quote: Lozja

Do you have such a whisk in some combine - reduction, or whatever it is?
No. I have these combines https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...=1007.0, a couple of pages ago, we discussed both of them. And I also wrote about some of Bosch's news.
Lozja
Quote: Daffi

No. I have these combines https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...=1007.0, a couple of pages ago, we just discussed them both. And I also wrote about some of Bosch's news.

Yes, this tandem is also a good option! I see that just in the little Phillips there are those graters that you will have to buy in addition to Bosch - for potato pancakes and an average grater. If I saw correctly. Well, knives are a universal thing, which is difficult to do without, as it turned out in practice.
juicy, I thought to offer you such a tandem of harvesters (Phillips hides in a locker and gets it as needed), but together for the money - it will be more than 2 thousand.
We are waiting for someone else with harvesters.
Daffi
Quote: Lozja

Yes, this tandem is also a good option! I see that just in the little Phillips there are those graters that you will have to buy in addition to Bosch - for potato pancakes and an average grater. If I saw correctly. Well, knives are a universal thing, which is difficult to do without, as it turned out in practice.
juicy, I thought to offer you such a tandem of harvesters (Phillips hides in a locker and gets it as needed), but together for the money - it will be more than 2 thousand.
We are waiting for someone else with harvesters.

As an alternative, I can suggest the Brown 550 hand blender (graters / shredders + chopping + whisk for proteins). If you don't like the whisk, you can simply buy a hand mixer - purely for whipping the proteins. It will be cheap and cheerful.
And one more thing - two discounts disappear in my AyBay store: for UAH 49. and 81 UAH. They are both valid only until the end of the year. How can I give them to someone so that they do not disappear?
nazik
Unfortunately, I bought a whisk, but did not have time to use it in my work. I bought a Brown 700 combine harvester on the advice of my daughter, but she does not have this whisk, and I am now their guest. My daughter is very happy with this assistant.
Lozja
Quote: nazik

Unfortunately, I bought a whisk, but did not have time to use it in my work. I bought a Brown 700 combine harvester on the advice of my daughter, but she does not have this whisk, and now I am visiting them. My daughter is very happy with this assistant.

Clear. It's a shame you can't try it now. When will you be home? Maybe we should wait? Buying a combine is a surly thing.
Lozja
Anya, can we wait? After all, if you don't need a meat grinder and kneading dough for bread, and if this whisk beats proteins well, then I don't see any reason for you to buy Bosch at all.
nazik
Only in the spring. I help my granddaughter babysit. I also wonder how the whites will be whipped. Otherwise, I am very pleased with the work of the combine.
Lozja
Here, from this review, which was given a link above, on the Brown K700:

Attachments that are not included in the set of this model, for example, 17 and 19 (see below), as well as for beating eggs:

Food processor

for convenience, I bought additionally in the service center for myself and my mother.

From which we can conclude that the whisk whips well, otherwise they would not buy it for themselves, and even for mom, or they would not write about it.
Lozja
Quote: nazik

Only in the spring.I help my granddaughter babysit. I'm also interested in how the whites will be whipped. Otherwise, I am very pleased with the work of the combine.

This is a long time, of course. We will not wait so long, we will figure it out earlier, I hope.
nazik
I also bought this whisk. I'm glad that it beats well. In the service center, you can also buy attachments that are not included in the kit, and in the event of a breakdown, different parts of the combine.
juicy
Quote: Lozja

Anya, can we wait? After all, if you do not need a meat grinder and kneading dough for bread, and if this whisk beats proteins well, then I do not see any reason for you to buy Bosch at all.
of course, I don't want to rush to buy a combine, that's why I get you and the rest!
Quote: Lozja

This is a long time, of course. We will not wait so long, we will figure it out earlier, I hope.
and how I hope for your help!

was in a comfy, the guy there said that Kenwood, even 270, is a very good thing, and that he whips perfectly, and the bowl is glass there, which is very good! In short, they confused me even more!
also, what confuses me is the plastic attachments with metal. knives, because it was completely metal. nozzles are more reliable, right?
Lozja
Quote: juicy

of course, I don't want to rush to buy a combine, that's why I get you and the rest! : rose: how I hope for your help!

was in a comfy, the guy there said that Kenwood, even 270, is a very good thing, and that he whips perfectly, and the bowl is glass there, which is very good! In short, they confused me even more!
also, what confuses me is the plastic attachments with metal. knives, because it was completely metal. nozzles are more reliable, right?

I wrote at first without looking, and then looked at what Kenwood was talking about. I am getting better. Anyway, about this Kenwood - the harvester is cool! The coolest thing about it, in my opinion, is a mini-mill, in other words - a small grinder - a nozzle. Well, the whisks are on the same principle, by which we will never find out how well it whips. Well, he's more powerful than my Brown. If you no longer doubt the whisks and if it fits into your money, feel free to take it.
As a last resort, since the guy assured that he whips the squirrels perfectly, if suddenly you don't like the result, return it and say that the combine does not correspond to the seller's assurances. And if you take it, warn you that if the whites are not beaten well, you will return them, and force the under-whipped proteins to eat. ...
Only about the glass bowl I did not understand, like plastic there, as elsewhere. Maybe the glass blender was meant? And who said that glass in the bowl of the combine is good? It's hard on the hands + breakable, unlike good plastic. Brown has good plastic, very easy to clean, I think, in Kenwood - no worse.
Daffi
Kenwood is better off, they may have problems with the service.
juicy
Quote: Lozja

Only about the glass bowl I did not understand, like plastic there, as elsewhere. Maybe the glass blender was meant? And who said that glass in the bowl of the combine is good? It's hard on the hands + breakable, unlike good plastic. Brown has good plastic, very easy to clean, I think, in Kenwood - no worse.
yes, the blender is of course glass ... I somehow did not think about the severity, right away, that they say oooo, cool, high quality ... and you wrote down the cons very accurately ... yes
Quote: Daffi

Kenwood is better off, they may have problems with the service.
in terms of??? Kenwood is very well represented in all stores now, even the kitchen. cars, namely kenwood cost, the price of which reaches up to 10 thousand ... would the stores take such equipment, without guarantees?
Daffi
There are guarantees. Only authorized Service Centers are few and it takes a long time to wait for spare parts. Repeatedly read reviews about not the best service from the Kenwoods.
Gibus
juicy, in terms of the set of functions, the Kenwood 270 is probably a good option, and very compact. I do not know, however, how they are with strength / durability. I respect my Brown K700 precisely for its indestructibility! But my old man is still of German assembly, bought in 1999.
And yet, for me a combine without a good chopper with knives is not a combine. That is why I perceive planetary exclusively as a mixer.
Regarding the rotating metal whisk in the processors, somewhere in the reviews I read that he whips eggs normally because they are liquid, but butter and sugar for cream or cake dough scatters along the walls and stops being captured. I often have to stop, open, scrape off ... That's why I thought and thought, and didn't order a whisk, but bought the cheapest planetary mixer

In general, I agree 100% with everything that I have already written Lozja
Lozja
Quote: Gibus

But butter and sugar for cream or muffin dough scatters along the walls and ceases to be captured. I often have to stop, open, scrape off ... That's why I thought and thought, and didn't order a whisk, but bought the cheapest planetary mixer

Butter with sugar, and in general all subsequent cake batter was made in Brown simply with knives. What I also liked very much, by the way, that the butter can be directly from the refrigerator, if I forgot to get it first, toss it into a bowl with knives, sprinkle sugar or whatever else you need to do first and drive it out with knives for a couple of minutes, it grinds into a homogeneous soft mass, as if would have previously softened at room temperature. That's why I also love my Brown. This will not work in Boch.
I cooked cheesecake not so long ago, I think, well, I'll try to get by with Bosch. Nope, nifiga I didn't succeed. I had to drag Old Man Brown into the kitchen. Because it is theoretically possible to make curd filling in a blender, but in practice it is. Okay, done in Brown. Then I decided to cook the bottom layer of cookies that. I think, well, at least here I'll manage with a blender in Boch. Bummer again. An even bigger bummer. Grinding cookies in a blender is still a pleasure, for a long time my kitchen has not heard mats. Then it had to be mixed with butter. In general, she spat, threw everything into Brown's bowl and in 20 seconds everything was ready.
From such an adventure.
I love my Boshik for the butter that he whips for me, proteins, yeast dough and a meat grinder.
I love my Brown for the pancake dough, for the cake dough and in general anything, for grinding something into a homogeneous mass, for dumplings dough, for chopping, for multifunctionality (because I don't remember all at once what I'm doing in it) ...

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