Problem situations in the operation of dishwashers

: girl_sad: I, too, for advice with my sadness
Dishwasher Indesit ICD 661 S EU

I have been using it since August 2012. During this period, I used 3 packs of salt (apparently our water is like this, it constantly beeps with an indicator), 1 bottle of rinse aid, and about 1 kg of powder. All MINEL firms (Germany).
Periodically, about 1 time a month - a cleaner for PMM Finish. Everything was wonderful and wonderful.
BUT, about 3 days ago, at the beginning of the drain, a loud CRACKLING is heard, I can't call it a roar, literally 5 seconds, and then everything is fine. Somehow suspicious THIS
Does not affect the quality of washing.
TELL ME, GOOD PEOPLE, what can it be!?!

Damn it, but the service is a problem for me, we live 90 km from the city, we bought it via the Internet, we took it home ourselves, we also connected it ourselves. Maybe something was wrong, what to look for? It turns out that it stands all night after washing with the dishes normally, but during the day when we periodically turn on the water in the sink, it is somehow gradually fed into the machine, which is why this can be so?

If you think from the point of view of banal physics, then the connection to the water is not entirely correct. There, the hose through which the water is drained from the PMM must be at a certain angle to the drain and at the appropriate height. Then nothing gets into it when the water is drained into the sink. And if connected incorrectly, then water flows through this hose into the machine.
Look in the instructions, there even a drawing should be how exactly to connect this hose. Here SC will not help IMHO)

[JessyBri]

I share the opinion JessyBrithat users, when connecting the PMM on their own, often neglect to follow the instructions, and physics do not care if the owner knows about Bernoulli's law. Here's a pity for the machine.

[Jefry, Flaksia and sazalexter]

Want say hello To express gratitude Jefry, Flaksia and sazalexter for hints - indeed, yesterday the salt indicator was highlighted (apparently, the car was waiting for me to guess myself or who would tell me). I bought it, filled it up, forgot to turn it on So the result will be tomorrow. But I also want to ask you - I lost a 2 kg pack in 2.5 months of operation (though mine almost every day). This is normal?

We have hard water, 2kg of salt takes 1.5 months. I read some advice somewhere, and I myself came to the conclusion that coarse salt is not consumed so quickly. I bought Finish salt (it seems?), It is almost like dust, it was washed off very quickly. I constantly use Minel salt, it is large, it lasts longer.

On the contrary, we have a good, large finish, and Somat is like dust. Salt is also consumed a lot, so on the first day I opened a new pack, I will calculate the consumption.

[Julia V]

Julia V So it was Somat. I bought it only once, I don't remember the name exactly.

If you think from the point of view of banal physics, then the connection to the water is not entirely correct. There, the hose through which the water is drained from the PMM must be at a certain angle to the drain and at the appropriate height. Then nothing gets into it when the water is drained into the sink. And if it is connected incorrectly, then water flows through this hose into the machine.
Look in the instructions, there even a drawing should be how exactly to connect this hose. Here SC will not help IMHO)

You did not quite understand me correctly, the water does not get into the machine from the sink through the drain hose. We drain it directly into the sewer. I think that the matter is in AQUASTOP, it does not hold water well from the water supply system, because if the water supply tap is turned off, then the water does not flow into the machine, and if the tap is always kept open, then a puddle will gradually form in the machine.And the more often we use water in the sink (or in the toilet, bathroom), the faster this puddle increases.

So that's the point! You cannot immediately drive the drain into the sewer. The drain must be raised to a certain height. Go read the instructions.

So that's the point! You cannot immediately drive the drain into the sewer. The drain must be raised to a certain height. Go read the instructions.

Yes, I have already read the entire instruction 10 times up and down, if I understood correctly the height of the drain should be at least 28 cm, maximum 1.1 m., I have about 45 cm.But at the same time, I still don't understand what it has to do with it, After all, when the machine is simply turned off during the day, even from the network, does water have to come into it from the water supply?

[Natalia_fom]

Natalia_fom So you have water from the sewer. How is the machine connected to the canal? Through specials. insert for PMM and washers in a siphon or through a regular tee?

We have hard water, 2kg of salt takes 1.5 months. I read some advice somewhere, and I myself came to the conclusion that coarse salt is not consumed so quickly. I bought Finish salt (I think?), It is almost like dust, it was washed off very quickly. I constantly use Minel salt, it is large, it lasts longer.

I have everything "Domol" - fine salt, but you reassured me - it means that my consumption is normal. I forgot to ask - I have the salt compartment "to capacity" filled with water. According to the instructions, I poured 1 liter - at first it was not so full - yesterday I "sipped" with a sponge

[Natalia_fom]

Natalia_fom So you have water from the sewer. How is the machine connected to the canal? Through specials. insert for PMM and washers in a siphon or through a regular tee?

Why did you all think she was from the sewers? I'm saying that when the water supply tap is turned off, the machine is dry. After all, if it were from the sewer, then in any case (a closed or open water tap) would be typed into a typewriter, am I not right?

I forgot to ask - I have the salt compartment "to capacity" filled with water. According to the instructions, I poured 1 liter - at first it was not so full - yesterday I "sipped" with a sponge

Everything is correct.

Why did you all think she was from the sewers? I'm saying that when the water supply tap is turned off, the machine is dry. After all, if it were from the sewer, then in any case (a closed or open water tap) would be typed into a typewriter, am I not right?

Wrong. Here you also need to take into account the pressure difference. When the water just "stands" in the sewer, that's one question. And if it also runs from above (from the same shell, for example), the pressure rises and water may be "thrown" into the PMM.
All the same, personally it seems to me that the problem is with the connection, and not with the typewriter. My husband, although he is a jack of all trades, just didn’t get connected according to the instructions - he called a familiar master and asked him a bunch of nuances. It turned out that they do exist.
IMHO, I would have spent on an experienced master who will come and see the connection of the machine to the water and redo it if necessary. It's a pity for the machine. It is useless for her to recruit different byaka in unforeseen situations

[the more often we use water in the sink (or in the toilet, bathroom), the faster this puddle increases]

Why did you all think she was from the sewers?

Probably from here

It turns out that it stands all night after washing with the dishes normally, but in the afternoon when we periodically turn on the water in the sink, it is somehow gradually fed into the machine, why can this be so?

You did not quite understand me correctly, the water does not enter the machine from the sink through the drain hose. We drain it directly into the sewer. I think that the matter is in AQUASTOP, it does not hold water well from the water supply system, because if the water supply tap is turned off, then the water does not flow into the machine, and if the tap is always kept open, then a puddle will gradually form in the machine. AND the more often we use water in the sink (or in the toilet, bathroom), the faster this puddle increases.

Something like this

Wrong.Here you also need to take into account the difference in pressure. When water just "stands" in the sewer, that's one question. And if it also runs from above (from the same shell, for example), the pressure rises and water "throwing" into the PMM is possible.
All the same, personally it seems to me that the problem is with the connection, and not with the typewriter. My husband, although he was a jack of all trades, just didn’t get connected according to the instructions - he called a familiar master and asked him a bunch of nuances. It turned out that they do exist.
IMHO, I would have spent on an experienced craftsman who will come and see the connection of the machine to the water and redo it if necessary. It's a pity for the machine. It is not useful for her to recruit different types of byak in unforeseen situations

But I'm talking about the water tap that is on the typewriter. I close the tap, use water all day, and it’s dry in the machine. Doesn't this indicate that the problem is not in the sewage system?

Probably from here somehow

Yes, I agree that all this can talk about the problem of connecting the sewer, but what about this ???
The tap that is ONLY ON the typewriter - I close it, we use water all day, and it is dry in the typewriter. Doesn't this indicate that the problem is not in the sewage system?

["the more often we use water in the sink (or in the toilet, bathroom), the faster this puddle increases"]

"the more often we use water in the sink (or in the toilet, bathroom), the faster this puddle increases"

it's not about the sewer

We had a similar problem - the general pressure is very strong, and when a tap was opened anywhere in the apartment, it would break through the toilet cistern - it began to fill in the lichen water and, as a result, flow through the drain.
The plumber who made all the pipes for us thought it was a defect in the drainage system, regulated something there, and we even bought a new drainage mechanism, but it didn't help.
And he did not even say a word that it might be a problem in the filling system - it did not hold the pressure, which increased when water was opened in other points of the apartment.

So the trouble is definitely at the water inlet to the PMM, shut off the water further, as we shut off the tank until we installed a new filling mechanism.
By the way, I have order with the PMM aquastop, but I still shut off the water for her and the washing machine, anything happens, somehow there is no desire to pay for repairs to the flooded neighbors ...

Yes, I agree that all this can talk about the problem of connecting the sewer, but what about this ???
The tap that is ONLY ON the typewriter - I close it, we use water all day, and it is dry in the typewriter. Doesn't this indicate that the problem is not in the sewage system?

Dishwasher problem, call service.

Yes, I already called, the master asked me in detail about the situation and said that it was definitely necessary to change the AQUASTOP, wrote down the data of my typewriter in order to order it from the company. But now you probably will have to drag the car again 90 km there and 90 km back, because they will not go that far. Or maybe you can change it yourself, or is it difficult? (so as not to drag around with the machine in the cold, otherwise you can find yourself some other problems)

In the dishwasher pan, I often see salt water drips from the tank, where I pour this salt
And I think that perhaps because of this, very often the PMM signals a lack of salt and the consumption is large
Has anyone encountered such a problem, please respond pliz

In the dishwasher pan, I often see salt water drips from the tank, where I pour this salt
And I think that perhaps because of this, very often the PMM signals a lack of salt and the consumption is large
Has anyone encountered such a problem, please respond pliz

The water leaks only when salt is poured, but not. Maybe you screwed the lid badly?

If stronger, then only break

My car looks like this after washing, and the bottom is always dry, nothing comes from anywhere and does not remain. Don't look at the filter yet, haven't washed it yet ...

My car looks like this after washing,

What a neat !!!!!!!!! And mine is already all red inside. You can, of course, remove this red bloom, but only manually.Special means for PMM are of little help.

What a neat !!!!!!!!! And mine is already all red inside. You can, of course, remove this red bloom, but only manually. Special means for PMM are of little help.

I mean, redhead from what?

I mean, redhead from what?

The color of the stainless steel changes over time from the means for PMM. Depends on the steel grade. As well as red spots on cutlery, they appear over time. My PMM is already 10 years old, and not all spoons and forks have these spots, but only those that are not magnetised.

The color of the stainless steel changes over time from the means for PMM. Depends on the steel grade. As well as red spots on cutlery, they appear over time. My PMM is already 10 years old, and not all spoons and forks have these spots, but only those that are not magnetised.

Aaaa understandable

In the dishwasher pan, I often see salt water drips from the tank, where I pour this salt
And I think that perhaps because of this, very often the PMM signals a lack of salt and the consumption is large

At after washing in half an hour

And there are more

Maybe you need to set the salt level to a minimum?

There is no such function, it signals - you fall asleep and truncate

strangely, in all such machines, the salt level can be adjusted. And what is yours?

Indesite tabletop

[insava]

insava
How did you determine that it was your salt drips?
I had such smudges from the powder when I sprinkled it a lot.
Try to wash the dishes with a tablet, put half of it.

There is no such function, it signals - you fall asleep and truncate

I can hardly believe it.
Did you miss anything in the instructions?

Anything can be
This is my first machine, I use it for six months, little experience, thanks for the advice
And if you use tablets, do not add salt and rinse aid?
She will show that they are not there
Moreover, it began to crack at the beginning of the water drain
In short, I'm waiting for the serviceman on Monday

I can hardly believe it.
Did you miss anything in the instructions?

The rinse aid is adjustable, but the salt is not, I read it again in the instructions - ONLY by the indicator on the panel

We have very hard water, so I add salt.
In my car, salt is controlled by a combination of buttons on the panel.
And the rinse aid is manually controlled by the regulator.

The rinse aid is adjustable, but the salt is not, I read it again in the instructions - ONLY by the indicator on the panel

Look in the instructions where "before the first start) or something like that. As a rule, they first talk about the hardness of the water, give advice on how to check it, and then tell you how to choose the level of salt consumption and how.
PS: water hardness is best checked with a special indicator, which is either supplied with the PMM or is sold in aquarium stores.

I looked in the instructions not for this particular dishwasher, but also indesite:
Selecting the degree of water hardness
All dishwashers are equipped with
water softener, which, thanks to a special
regenerating dishwasher salt removes
Lime from dishwashing water.
This dishwasher can be
adjusted to reduce
pollution and optimize
the quality of dishwashing depending on the hardness
water. You can find out the degree of water hardness in your
district by contacting the water supply organization.
- Switch off the machine using the ON / OFF button. and
open the door.
- Turn the PROGRAM SELECTOR first to 5-
1st program, and then to 1st program and then again
on the 5th.
- Press the ON / OFF button, cycle phase indicators
flashing. At this stage, you can choose the degree of hardness
water. Each program has its own degree
stiffness:
Example: 1st program, degree of hardness 1
2nd program, hardness level 2, etc. up to
maximum 5th * degree.
(The water softener is factory set to the 3rd
power).
Wait a few seconds to cancel this function
or press the additional functions button * or
switch off the machine with the ON / OFF button.

In the instructions, this is between "Filling the rinse aid" and "Loading the regenerating salt".

[SSvetik]

SSvetik
Here I am about the same.
There can be no adjustment.
I have a Zanussi, and salt is regulated in approximately the same way.

And if you use tablets, do not add salt and rinse aid?

From the instructions: "If you use multifunctional tablets, the reservoir with the regenerating salt must be filled anyway."

if soft water or using tablets, then the salt should be set to a minimum.

And nothing more
Girls, thanks a lot for the tips
Model Indesit ICD 661 EU

[insava]

insava
You are not looking there. I just downloaded the instructions for your dishwasher, there is an explanation of how to adjust the salt.

Selecting the degree of water hardness
All dishwashers are equipped with
water softener, which, thanks to a special
regenerating dishwasher salt removes
Lime from dishwashing water.
This dishwasher can be
adjusted to reduce
pollution and optimize
the quality of dishwashing depending on the hardness
water. You can find out the degree of water hardness in your
district by contacting the water supply organization.
- Open the door and turn on the machine using the button
ON OFF.
- Press button P for about 5 seconds. Will be distributed two
short beeps and the indicator corresponding to the set degree of hardness will rarely blink
(the decalcifier is set to No. 2).
- Press the P button several times until you receive
desired hardness number (1-2-3-4-5 * See Table
degrees of water hardness).
For example, hardness 1 (indicator 1 is on)
hardness 2 (indicator 1 is on, indicator 2 is flashing)
hardness 3 (indicators 1 and 2 are on, indicator 3 flashes and
etc).
Wait a few seconds to cancel this function
or press the button for additional functions * or
switch off the machine using the ON / OFF button.
If you use many functions onal pills,
the tank with the regenerating salt must be in any
case is full

Maybe I'm completely dull, but there is no P button on the panel
And where it stands, then it's like a program to flip and the switch does not stop on it

[insava]

insava, about your model in some descriptions it is generally written "automatic determination of water hardness". Look again at the instructions carefully, maybe this is also written there? For all other options, at least somewhere, but it should be mentioned about setting the stiffness

My salt is regulated in this itself as it is .... in general, where the salt is poured, the lid needs to be unscrewed and there is such a lever that you turn - more less ..... can you do the same?

[insava]

insava
How did you determine that it was your salt drips?
I had such smudges from the powder when I sprinkled it a lot.
Try to wash the dishes with a tablet, put half of it.

Most likely you are right - this excess of powder settles unrinsed