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j @ ne, EvgeniyaI think you have other suppliers. We bring more from Europe, although South America is also present. Once I accidentally bought an absolutely amazing coffee in a nearby, unremarkable store (If I'm not mistaken, from Chile). It was on sale and it turned out to be cheap, so I bought it. I never saw that again. Therefore, now, in addition to the brands I know, sometimes I buy something new for trial. Suddenly there will be a brilliant (coffee)
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For me, the "coffee diamond" turned out to be the Maragogyip coffee beans made in Nicaragua. There are several manufacturers who roast this coffee, but I only like Nicaragua
I buy only beans, at home I grind myself in the right amount on a millstone coffee grinder
And I brew coffee only in portions in a Turk on the stove And only without sugar, but with a couple of Art. l. cream Without sugar, the natural taste and smell of coffee is better manifested And it seems to me that such strong spices as vanilla, cinnamon and the like, with their strong taste, hamper the natural taste of coffee, which we want to feel

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Maragogype coffee can be read here 🔗
It has the largest coffee beans of any kind. And the taste is different from other types, softer in taste and with a little sourness

Maragogipe, also known as Elephant Beans, is one of the Arabica coffees with the largest coffee beans.
This coffee is grown at an altitude of 600-700 meters above sea level. Maragogype grains are 3.5 times larger than ordinary Arabica grains. A drink made from beans of this variety has a mild and rich aroma, as well as a chocolate taste.

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I have been drinking this coffee for a long time, for many, many years I tried to switch to other varieties, even brought coffee from France in the hope of being natural, but every time I return to my favorite maragojeep
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The discovery, for me, last year, was Vietnamese coffee. I never thought that robusta could be so fragrant. The roasting there is completely different from the European one, and ALL coffees have a light chocolate aroma. I brought half a suitcase of coffee to each his own I can't imagine morning ... noon ... evening .. ... it is possible, even at night - it does not affect sleep Basically, I cook in a Turk, sometimes, in a hurry, I just pour freshly ground boiling water with boiling water, and let it brew, sometimes I want it from a geyser coffee maker, but that one is strong for me, and in recent years, I drink more often with the addition of milk ... and sometimes I brew in finn, in Vietnamese, only without condensed milk, as they like ...
I brought three varieties: arabica robusta and mocha - arabica sour well, robusta is unusually tasty and not at all tart, and mocha is quite soft, one might say, dessert ...
A small digression: I bought green tea until the heap, it never occurred to me that it was grown there, so, surprisingly, it turned out to be tasty and fragrant
The photo shows arabica.
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Peace be with you bakers!

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Anatoly, and where do you buy such coffee? For two years now I have been drinking only Paulig Arabica, I have also tried every one, this one does not sour and there is a pleasant price for shares.
Kalyusya
shade, Toll, well, this is such a price for your organization, you probably rent a car? I saw such coffee on Ozone, the price for 0.5 is more than 500 rubles.




Smile, but I still can't get to Vietnamese coffee. Throwed into the basket a lot of everyone who would press the button.
shade
Peace be with you bakers!
Galina -
It is taken for the office, now such a pack of half a kilo has risen in price to 300 rubles
our Jockey took ground it 390 rubles a kilo and Jockey grain classic 560 per kilo but he is all weak somehow
And Vietnamese arabica and rabusta were offered for 5-7 bucks per kilo
vatruska
Anatoly, Thank you!
I have not even seen this ...
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Robusta - myths and reality

Robusta is traditionally used in all Italian espresso blends, but this tradition is beginning to change little by little, thanks in part to Ernesto Illy and his clear point of view against its use. However, European roasters are not as affected by this influence as American roasters, for example. The mere mention of the presence of robusta in mixtures will be enough to draw a conclusion about the mixture. There are a lot of opinions about Robusta in the world, especially in the world of the so-called "coffee people".

There are ardent opponents of using robusta in any coffee. The main opinion, let's even say more, is their assertion that robusta is used only for one purpose - to reduce the cost of the espresso mixture. This factor actually interests Italian roasters most of all, it is the basis of their business, this is their strategy. They make it a strategy for producing supermarket coffee that can sit on shelves for weeks, if not months. And they will tell you that any robusta, no matter how carefully selected, will add different notes of coffee flavor to the mixtures, such as: woody, rubbery, cat urine, dirty basement floor, paper bag taste.

There is a basic fact of Robusta's action, which in no case should be universal. Robusta gives the mixture a dense, long-lasting cream, longer and brighter aftertaste. But opponents will quickly add that this long aftertaste will only torment you longer and find this fact, to say the least, an insult.

Charm of Robusta
Many defenders of robusta point to the Italian roots of its use, spending time arguing that their coffee is real and traditional. They argue that a stable, long-lasting cream is the defining characteristic of espresso, allowing it to last longer. They will argue with you that a small amount of carefully selected robusta, combined with the "right" Arabica, will give the espresso the desired "body" and cream and will not be noticed in the flavor layout, and at the same time will merge with the overall taste and dilute the acidity in the cup ...

Let's figure it out. No one claims that robusta is in coffee. Let's agree that there are Italian, American, Scandinavian * and other European * roasters (* note and let's agree that all roasters use robusta because it is cheaper than Arabica, it gives more espresso cream and a longer shelf life. There are several coffee roaster companies in America who believe that only the use of Robusta gives them the desired result and quality that 100% Arabica cannot give.

Among these "rebels": David Schomer, Espresso Vivace, Dr. Dosef John, Josuma Coffee, Mauro Cipolla, Caffe D'arte, John di Ruocco, Mr. Espresso and Tony Konecny, Victrola Coffee Roasters.

Coffee Review's other advocate and editor is Kenneth Davids. According to him, he often uses high quality Robusta in his espresso blends and prefers espresso with 10 or 20 percent content. David notes that such a negative aura of robusta is due to the majority of manufacturers who use a rather cheap product, with rather "poor" processing. The robusta that he finds attractive enough comes from India, Uganda and, more recently, Mexico. This is the highest quality washed robusta.

“Robusta beans are like a black hole in a coffee filter, they suck all the energy out of the drink. But in espresso, they function in a different direction. Robusta in espresso is able to bring everything together and create a flavor resonance. Very good robusta can offer positive flavor notes. Usually it is spice and nutty. " When David mixes for a client, he usually offers 4 or 5 options, and almost always the client chooses a mix with Robusta content.

David Schomer described to us a conversation with an Italian roaster that happened in 1993 during a coffee trip in Italy. When he asked why the Italians use Robusta as an "ingredient" for espresso blends, the roaster explained that the roasters here are concerned with finding a really good robusta that can produce the right body and cream in the espresso. The question of his supplier of Robusta was unnecessary, this is his best kept secret of the firm.

“Thus began my search for a soft, non-coarse robusta,” says Schomer, “and my search is focused on estate robusta, hand-cultivated, washed and selected to the same quality as the finest Arabica.” Schomer confirms that there is a place for high-quality robusta in his espresso blends.

Mauro Cipolla sees himself as a defender of an espresso tradition that, in his opinion, was lost even in Italy. "A real espresso blend," he states, "dark roasted, with the 'right' robusta, roasted at a temperature and time different from Arabica. Blended in the right proportions with the 'right', non-conflicting Arabica beans. Espresso blends with 100% content can produce cream, but not the texture. It's not even the texture of the cream, but its characteristics, which are customary to evaluate the cream - density and viscosity. It is very difficult to work with Robusta, even harder than with Arabica. But as soon as you learn and understand what to do with Robusta , it would be a great addition to Arabica. "

John di Ruocco entered the coffee business without any understanding of the matter. From the very beginning, he was interested in working with mixtures in an Italian style and according to Italian traditions. To do this, he imported Indian Robusta, in the process of research he realized that Indian grains are very soft in taste. After watching and working for a while, I figured it would be a great addition to his mixes. “Why can't I use Robusta? Just because you started a campaign against its use around the world? "

"The amazing thing about an espresso machine," says John, "is the amazing ability of water molecules to penetrate the interior of the coffee particles and pull a lot of oils out of the beans." Last but not least, "If you are not drawing oils, you are not making espresso."

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Robusta's most famous adversary in recent years has been Don Schoenholt, the founding father of the SCAA (American Specialty Coffee Association) and president of Gillies Coffee in New York. Schoenholt recalls one long time ago when Pete McLaughlin of Royal Coffee asked him to try an unusual coffee. "The coffee was heavy and smooth, without aroma or acidity. It had a neutral aspect to the taste. The whole body was deep, dark, heavy and enveloping in the mouth."

The mystery coffee turned out to be a washed Thai Robusta roasted to the second break, and McLaughlin then added that it could be used in espresso. Schoenholt tried to experiment with this robusta, but in the end he abandoned the idea. As he himself says: “An unnecessary effect appeared in the cup, even though I like milk froth for espresso, soda with ice cream and beer, but I prefer not to exchange the original taste of my coffee for esoteric bubbles in the cup from the action of Robusta (* approx. due to the amount and texture of the cream).

There is one theory about the most ardent members of the movement who oppose the use of robusta. The fact is that the founders of the specialty coffee movement in America are not really espresso people, but were more like boiled coffee lovers (approx.french, drip coffee maker, filter, etc.) When we asked Schoenholt about this, he said, that nothing like that. "We consider ourselves to be people who seek the truth in the grains themselves, and not in the methods of preparing these grains."

Finally, Schoenholz slammed the door: “It is true that we went on the warpath with Robusta. It is also true that times change. The success of our specialty coffee idea in the field is definitely a place to be.We can calmly breathe and rest, maybe not in terms of raising standards, but in dogma itself. "
George Howell, Tim Castle and Maen Alves give some mundane facts about Robusta. “I've tried a few of the most famous robusta espresso blends and I don't care for them,” says Tim Castle. “In my opinion, this is an approach to achieve a specific function in espresso. The function of obtaining a large amount of cream, with a taste of rubber, which actually locks in all the positive characteristics of arabica. "

Howell recalls being blown away by Indian Robusta, which he tasted at the SCAA conference in Boston in 2003. But he quickly adds: “The empty, unsweetened taste of Robusta does not give me the right to use it in my mixtures. This is not a tool with which I can achieve the desired result for me - but this is sweetness. "

Maen Alves, owner of Coffee Lab International, talks about a case with his client who wanted to get a mixture with robusta, but that its taste in espresso was absolutely not noticed. Using the soft Angolan robusta, he found that the robusta was impossible to detect, either visually or to taste. But ... as soon as the ratio reached 10-15%, the robusta flavor was pronounced. Until now, he prefers to stand his ground. There is no need to use Robusta in espresso blends, since the main factor that affects the quantity and quality of the cream is not the type of beans used in the blend and their freshness.

Alvs also has a completely logical business statement. When coffee shop owners use robusta beans, they automatically play against themselves. Try to drink espresso from 100% Arabica, after a few hours your body will "ask" for more, and a cup of espresso with robusta will be enough for you for the whole day. "I work in a business where I am directly interested in the fact that the client would come to me more than once a day."

Neutral territory

Until now, many roasters, who play a central role in the American espresso scene, are resisting the onslaught of the anti-robusta campaign. For example, the newcomer to the Victrola Coffee Roasters market in Seattle. This company was not represented at the SCAA conference, was not included in the Coffee Seattle tour. However, a huge number of baristas, conference participants visited this roaster's coffee shop to taste the famous Victrola's Streamline Espresso blend - a rich, soft, in which notes of blueberry are clearly felt due to the Ethiopian Harrar base.

David Schomer himself took part in the formulation of the concept of these roasters, since Schomer uses robusta in his mixtures, the owners of this company chose not to change the conceptual basis of their mixtures. From the statement of the co-owner of Victrola Coffee Roasters Tony Konecny, it follows: “We do not use robusta for the cream. Good robusta, well fried, offers new flavors and glues the whole flavor together and this is the unique quality of robusta. " At the same time, Tony does not fully support the robusta defenders and says that the decision to remove robusta from the mixture always remains with him and this is not a problem for him.

Experts have tried many of the best espresso blends in America, some with robusta, others opposite 100% Arabica, and each has its own truth. By the way, one of the best blends with 100% Arabica is considered the blend of Tim Vandelbo, world champion 2004 and George Howell, Daterra Farm North Italian Style. Among the mixtures with robusta, the leaders are: David Schomer's mix, Dolce blend, as well as Victrola Streamline Espresso mix, Caffe D'arte, Parioli mix ...

The debate on the use of robusta in mixtures will continue for a long time, and is unlikely to stop in the foreseeable future. We can only hope that every year there will be competent roasters, owners of coffee houses and cafes, baristas who will continue to search for the perfect espresso.

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As many may have noticed, our forum also did not pass by the topic of robusta and its use by Russian roasters in their mixtures.The debates were attended by representatives of roaster companies, baristas and coffee lovers. We publish the main opinions on the topic of the forum "Robusta - Myths and Reality", let's see if the opinions of Russian professionals coincide with the American ones and to what extent the parties disagree.

I'll make a reservation right away, the topic was raised by a registered user - [link] -, a gentleman with the pseudonym Look, who this person is and what company he represents has not yet been found out. However, his opinion is the opinion of a professional, well-grounded and competent, at least in my purely personal discretion. So the opinion:

Look is the enemy of Robusta:
“My opinion: Robusta is needed only to reduce the cost of the mixture, while the quality of the drink significantly reduces. I justify the points:

1. Creams. Yes, working with Robusta is easier, the cream itself turns out to be more magnificent. Because the robusta grain has a lower density. But the cream works great on mixtures of fresh Arabica, if you know how to work with grinding. Buy and try it yourself. And at the same time, the drink is much better in taste, aroma, which is what the buyer needs.

2. Density of the drink - I agree. The drink becomes somewhat denser. But the best results can be achieved by working with the degree of roast of the Arabica. The same applies to bitterness, although in robusta, bitterness is more likely.

3. Washed Robusta. Yes, it is better than natural and more beautiful in appearance. But it is still a grain that is lower in quality than specialty arabica. And more harmful to health. And it still degrades the content of the drink. Who does not believe - drink separately such robusta in a jacket and compare with arabica. In espresso, the difference in quality, especially in mixtures, is not so noticeable, but Robusta is better when prepared under a pressure of 9 atm. does not become unambiguous. And the jacket will show everything as it is.

4. The taste is better with robusta. Nifiga like that, if you drink coffee for a long time and begin to understand it more or less, then the best quality of espresso from a mixture of Arabica is obvious. Today, the bulk of people who say that Robusta is needed just heard it from someone, but did not come to it themselves as a result of long-term coffee consumption. It is easier to repeat what you hear with a clever look than to figure it out yourself. And how can a component improve the drink, which is initially worse in quality, taste, aroma and composition?

5. Chemical composition. Nobody talks about the chemical composition of Robusta. And if anyone is interested, then Robusta is inferior to Arabica in all characteristics. More caffeine, higher acidity, less aromatic essential oils, worse taste characteristics. Yes, and it is grown and harvested in a shaft, it grows faster and easier. Historically, it began to be added to blends after the need arose to fight competitors and reduce the cost of the product, as well as to meet the growing market demand. You still need to tinker with arabica, its best varieties grow at a height, ripen for a long time, require a huge investment of knowledge and effort. Then it is manually collected and sorted. And robusta is usually harvested in bulk, processed cheaply, today its largest supplier is Vietnam. In general, robusta has become especially popular after the development and implementation of a method for preparing instant coffee, which today is drunk most of all in underdeveloped countries due to poverty. Robusta made it possible to make coffee available to the poor, and significantly expand the sales market. Today, in developed countries, the consumption of robusta is declining, people are drinking good Arabica, and programs are emerging to help farmers improve the quality of grain. In the same Italy, robusta began to be actively used after the war, they themselves write about it, because they could not buy pure Arabica because of poverty. Probably still have not moved away from the war.

Therefore, I am sure that robusta is just a tool for competing in markets where people are still poorly versed in coffee due to poverty. And the struggle is at the expense of us, consumers, who come to coffee houses receive a product of inferior quality, but pay as for a high-quality drink. And in the end they stop drinking coffee, because it just doesn't taste good. "

The next person who is directly involved in the production of coffee. Owner of the Fresh Coffee company, Oleg Grishonkov.
DonPino - on the side of robusta:

“Let's figure it out on the merits.
Having worked for almost 13 years in Montana, I was also sure of the dogma of the postulates that espresso is the coolest of 100% Arabica, but a couple of years ago I changed my mind and idea about it. And that is why, washed robusta, in its characteristics, is not much inferior to good, for example, Brazilian Arabica, and at a price it is even more expensive.

To my great regret, Arabica specialty in this country no one has, and does not use. Yes, we do not process bad Arabica, but this is not a bit of a specialty. On the question of the price, if in my last mixture, where more than 25% of the Galapagos ($ 35 at the end of production), contains 10% washed robusta, and the mixture includes 3 more not cheap Arabica, then sorry how robusta can affect the cost of the mixture ...

I absolutely agree that the dominance of foreign suppliers, and not the best ones, is now shaping the taste of our consumer, and that, especially in Italian blends with cheap Vietnamese robusta, it is up to 60%, it is a disaster. But here, first of all, our buyers are to blame, for whom, naturally, the price is on the 1st place, and then we will give the equipment, cups, spoons and ...

I do not think that I will reveal a big secret that most suppliers have a purchase price of no more than 5-6 euros per kg, and you know how much they sell. I have studied all these issues in great detail, so I speak with a fair amount of confidence. But a really good espresso, for example Illy, is how it costs, thank God. "

Yuri Popov - finalist of the world cap-testing championship, 2004
A man with a spoon - neutrality:

“The value of the product" coffee "is in the richness of its taste and aroma characteristics. That is absolutely unattainable from the grain of the old harvest and "old" roasting. Fresh coffee is much more difficult to work with, no questions asked. This is a living product (we suck a little). The restaurateur himself, here you are absolutely right, must decide what he needs - a constant mediocre quality or an eternal struggle with the barista for the perfect cup of espresso. My business, as a supplier, is to provide choice and not miss the client. "

Olga Melik-Karakozova - barista, champion of Russia 2004, Barista Education & Consulting
Karakozz - neutrality:

“My attitude to robusta. I don't mind adding it to the mix. If someone likes it, let him drink. For the last year I stop enjoying it (maybe it just wasn't the best harvest). As for the cream, Arabica will not foam like Robusta. But fresh coffee, even 100% Arabica, is still cremitic. It seems to me that any component in the mixture should carry the flavor load. Adding robusta only for cream is stupid. To my taste, I repeat, she does not rush me this year. I liked it before, but that's a completely different story. "

Nikolay Yalansky - specialist in work with the HoReCa sector, Montana Coffee, St. Petersburg
Nik-I is the enemy of Robusta:

“The fact that high quality Arabica is better than any mixture with robusta is a fact! And I totally agree with Look's opinion. And the problem is not only that the market is flooded with cheap mixtures, but perhaps the most pressing question is that there are very few good baristas in our establishments. They will be able not only to make a good espresso or cappuccino, but also to explain to the visitor what is the difference between Arabica and Robusta, what they eat with what, and what each of them actually carries. And you have to work with the buyer, and this is very serious today, because 95% of our entire population are accustomed to the acorn taste of coffee drinks, and they are simply frightened by the richness of taste and aroma of high-quality arabica "

These are the opinions of some players in the coffee market in our country. We hope this article will give you the necessary data to determine your own position, and energize you to drink delicious, literate and honest coffee every day.

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The discovery, for me, last year, was Vietnamese coffee.
Catherine, thanks for sharing. I had no idea how much coffee is grown and exported in Vietnam.

According to Wikipedia, Vietnam has long been competing with Brazil for the first place in the world in terms of the number of coffee exports and will probably win soon. In Vietnam, several varieties of robusta, arabica and several luxury and expensive coffee are actively produced. Arabica is grown where the climate is cooler (north of the country), robusta is less whimsical and can grow in areas with high temperatures. In Vietnam, you can also find the most expensive type of coffee "Kopi Luwak". Vietnam's coffee exports generate over $ 1 billion in profits a year.

It is believed that the culture of coffee production among the Vietnamese is so high that they are almost the only nation that has learned to harmoniously compose a single flavor bouquet. Perhaps that's why Vietnamese coffee is imported by more than 80 countries around the world. The main importer of Vietnamese coffee is Germany (240 thousand tons of coffee annually).
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I can't get to Vietnamese coffee
Checkmark, I noticed that inside the country of origin the product is of a completely different quality than outside it ...
$ vetLana
Did you know?
Arabica is a tree, robusta is a bush.




How to distinguish Arabica and Robusta by their appearance:

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Grain shape:

Robusta beans are rounder, Arabica beans are more oval
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I had no idea how much coffee is grown and exported in Vietnam.
Svetlana,shame on my gray head, an experienced coffee lover, I also found out just before the vacation, in November last year, when I was interested in where we would be brought this time and was amazed at the scale of coffee exports ...
Mine luwak natural - this is a very difficult question ... many years ago, I read about this animal and the natives who collect "a harvest of excrement" and rather scanty amounts of this harvest, but ... the people are quite enterprising, and the animals began to be kept on farms in cells and forcibly feeding not the ripe grains, as they chose themselves, but everyone in a row - the well-being of the farmers increased, but this, again, turned out to be little hungry for gold, and they found the simplest way: coffee grains are treated with the infusion of the contents of the intestines of animals .. they didn't exactly explain the technology, but ... in the Vung-Tau supermarket I bought coffee with the image of an animal at a very humane price, about $ 1 for 0.5 kg, and is sold by weight in street markets, packed hermetically - there it is a national drink
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CatherineI haven't tried Kopy Luwak, and I think if I don't try it, it's not scary. I will survive. But you will have to buy Vietnamese. We drink Italian. It just so happened
Kalyusya
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noticed that the product is of a completely different quality within the country of origin than abroad ..
Katya, is it somehow different?
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Checkmark, how! They compared Spanish wine and jamon, bought there and from us - heaven and earth, moreover, they took the same brand of wine and harvest, too ... I don't like teas in bags, but I brought an armful from Sri Lanka (they brought them to the room), gave them to my daughter to work, and left a few pieces for herself and a friend, tried it and wondered - very tasty! Moreover, this is for internal use, we were still surprised that in the "country of tea", wherever we had lunch in tea bags. The only place where they were treated to freshly brewed tea with boiled sugar was a tea processing plant. The tea bought there also tastes slightly different from the one packaged in boxes. The fresher, the more aromatic (even garbage))





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I haven’t tried kopi luwak and I think if I don’t try it is not scary
Svetlana, I haven’t tried or tried it either: a real one costs about $ 1000, and a person is weak ... we will not tempt
Tanyusha
For a coffee machine, I like a mixture of Arabica and Robusta, and Robusta is at least 20%. But for the Turks I buy only monos. I love Ethiopia Mocha Irgachif (medium roast), Blue Mountain, and my husband spoils me and buys St. Helena coffee.
Kokoschka
Tanyushahow interesting and we are all Lavazza da Lavazza
Tanyusha, please give me links to pictures to immediately understand that these are the ones you are writing about. I really want to try.
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Girls, I want to share the extension of the "coffee geography". The new taste of coffee is Cuban. The coffee is black and strong, it is better to drink it with added sugar or, as suggested in the hotel, with the addition of honey. The color directly depends on the roast - how much it is overcooked, I could only understand at home, having opened the package of coffee - large, calibrated beans, roasted almost to black. Suspecting nothing, I put it into the coffee grinder and was puzzled by the strange sound of my beloved Nivona. I tried all the modes and went for the proven Moulinex on green coffee - it grinds everything (promotional from METRO).
I ground everything as finely as it happened and poured it into a drip coffee maker - the purest arabica, in fact, is what grows in the mountains. The two-day excursion included a visit to a coffee plantation, but this is strongly said - so, several dozen trees for tourists, but we were taken to the mountain ... be proud! ... on the Soviet military ZIL and along the road built by our own specialists ... that I was especially struck - in such a climate it was not destroyed! Well, yes, it got off topic ...
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Mandraik Ludmila
I bought a Cuban one, not this one, I did not like it at all, the smell is somehow strange.
At the end of August I bought Bushido, ground, made in Holland, quite decent coffee, not bitter, not sour, medium roast (I don't drink dark roast). And last week in my special. the store was given a sniff of the hole near the grain Bushido, an awesome smell, expensive, of course, I haven't taken it yet, but I remembered
venera19
I'm just looking at Cuban. Bushido, ground and fried on the wood, an orange tree seemed sour (how different tastes are all the same), I will not buy any more. Well, Vietnamese grabbed three packs of different. I don’t buy others yet, only if Lavazza is with a big discount.
Mandraik Ludmila
That's exactly the taste and color, we are all different ... And I don't like Lavazza, only I buy decaffein for my husband.
Ground Bushido has a sour smell, I would say, but it doesn’t taste sour, I have a neighbor friend, a live tester, she does not have heartburn on Bushido, she has many other things, I don’t even remember much, I just don’t buy The Cuban that I bought was heartburn, I do everything that I don't like - I drink to my husband, he probably drinks everything from me, though I don't buy anything really bad.
Ligra
Tried Bushido coffee. It is painted on the packaging very colorfully (who is interested in the store will read it), but the taste does not differ much from our Arabica coffee from Peter the First grain (they would also have some kind of coffee chip, stable quality and Bushido is resting). In general, everyone has different tastes.
Tanyusha
Kokoschka, these varieties are bought by weight, I have not seen in packages. I buy these varieties at Myasnitskaya, 19 Tea-Coffee shop.
Kokoschka
Tanyusha, I understood, thanks, I haven't been there for a long time
vatruska
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Tried Bushido coffee
Ligra, is this you ground Bushido red in Magnet on the stock mean? She also looked at him ...
Ligra
vatruska, no grain, I didn't take it right now, but there were also several flavors for the action
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this is you ground bushido red in magnet on stock mean

vatruska, Svetlana, I will clarify about the one that I bought in Magnet for the stock. Like that pack. But there are many varieties of them.

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The varieties that Tanyusha writes about are not available to me. There the price for 100g is from one and a half to five thousand rubles.
vatruska
Anna, of course ... this is the last action, last week it was going to ground red, there was a lot of things written on the pack ... about a peach ... red fruits ...
venera19
Svetlana, Well, that pack was also beautifully written. And fried on orange wood and a blend of Ethiopian and Colombian Arabica.

The taste just didn't suit me. You have to try everything.
Irgata
for fun

Alexey Vodovozov about coffee



Russian science journalist and medical blogger. Therapist of the highest qualification category, toxicologist. In the past - a military doctor, lieutenant colonel of the reserve medical service.
Kokoschka
Irsha, many thanks to Ira for the link. Previously, Puchkova watched some videos. Everything is always very informative and interesting. Therefore, after passing the parcel and seeing Puchkova, I immediately decided it would be interesting and was not mistaken.
Thank you!!!
Irgata
Lily, yes, Puchkov has interesting guests.
Vodovozov lectures very clearly and amusingly.
$ vetLana
Happy Holidays to all lovers of this wonderful drink!

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Mandraik Ludmila
Today I read it in tyrnet: Scientists have found a recipe for the perfect coffee

If you use 15 grams of grains instead of 20 and grind them coarser, you will have a great drink. Cooking can take not 25, but 7-14 seconds. At the same time, the beans will give more aroma, which will keep the coffee strong and remove bitterness, "the EurekAlert portal quotes the words of one of the authors of the study, a chemist from the University of Oregon Christopher Hendon.

This is for a final beverage volume of 25 to 35 milliliters.
Need to try
Yuri K
Only the method of cooking is not specified, but now there are a dozen of them. And if a coarse grind can and will be tastier in a coffee machine, then in cezve this is a complete misunderstanding. Pancake scientists
Mandraik Ludmila
They write: under pressure - espresso.
I brewed it, delicious, but strong for me. I usually brew 7-10g of coffee per 100ml cup, plus milk froth, I think it's Latte. So this "advice from scientists" is not for me.
LudMila
Yuri K, judging by the volume, this is espresso.))
They wrote at the same time, only me theoretically, but Buttercup already experienced.))
gawala
Quote: Mandraik Ludmila
, tasty, but I'm strong
Well Duc, the coarser the grind, the stronger the coffee. That's what coffee gurus say ..
Mandraik Ludmila
Galya, I also have a lot of 15g, I have a measuring spoon from a broken coffee grinder, about 7g of grain coffee is collected in it, I cook on one, but here it turns out on two
gawala
Quote: Mandraik Ludmila
a lot of 15gr,
All these scientists are rascal theoreticians ..
I would also have a lot ..
Yuri K
Quote: gawala

Well Duc, the coarser the grind, the stronger the coffee. That's what coffee gurus say ..
You are not right. Better to read a new theory. Well, or articles about the dependence of strength on various factors, including grinding. 🔗
gawala
Quote: Yuri K
You are not right.
This is not me wrong, these are coffee gurus .. What I read on the forum prokofe at the time, I wrote.
Quote: Yuri K
Better to read a new theory.
What for? I have already played enough with coffee bells and whistles, with grinds, with different coffee machines, with temperaments, correct tamping of coffee, seconds of spilling, etc., etc. ... I calmed down on Delongy's full automatic machine and a home coffee roaster from Dickman and in the same place buy green coffee.
Yuri K
Quote: gawala
I'm not wrong, it's the coffee gurus.
Means such "gurus", since they give absolutely incorrect information.
Quote: gawala
What for?
Yes, at least then, in order to logically understand the dependence of the strength on the area of ​​contact with water and, accordingly, the extraction of substances from different degrees of grinding.
Well, okay, there is no need, so it is not necessary.
OlgaGera
Quote: gawala
I've already played enough with coffee bells and whistles
Delongy drives))) Here's to the roaster .. rather not. Green coffee needs to be taken somewhere





Quote: Yuri K
give absolutely incorrect information.
today it is wrong, but tomorrow, or tonight, it will be the only correct
gawala
Quote: Yuri K
Means such "gurus", since they give absolutely incorrect information.
But who knows .. The forum is generally advanced, the people there are steep grazing. I read it for a long time when I was just puzzled by coffee matters.
Well, since we're talking about coffee .. I had an aeropress, another purchase .. after geysers and carob coffee makers .. The coffee grinder is good, millstone .. But all this was before buying a coffee roaster .. played b and ubarala, I think, let it lie, you never know Delongy flies, but here is an aeropress .. In general, he lay there until I sent it home to my friend as a gift .. I brought it to her and at the same time coffee of my roast. They began to try, it was necessary to show how it all works. In general, we brewed it, she began to drink it and I look my eyes widen with delight .. I ask, they say, what are you doing? And she told me, they say, just try what kind of coffee, this is something.I try .. Yes, Christmas tree-sticks are really, fragrant, tasty .. I've never drank this, to be honest ...
And as she later told me that even the coffee of the middle price category turns out to be very good in this device.




Quote: Yuri K
Yes, at least then, in order to logically understand the dependence of the strength on the area of ​​contact with water and, accordingly, the extraction of substances from different degrees of grinding.
Yuri, well, I’m telling you that I’ve played enough with all this. Until full ..
Yuri K
Quote: gawala
Well, I'm telling you that I've already played enough with all this. Until full ..
Yes, I understand, I understand already
gawala
Quote: OlgaGera
Here's to the roaster .. rather not. Green coffee needs to be taken somewhere
Lelk, where the roaster bought green coffee in the same place. He seems to have already been prepared for roasting. No crack, no green-green straight ..
OlgaGera
Quote: gawala
where the roaster bought green coffee in the same place
not well, you, too ... compared your village and my wilderness ... Galya, yes, I lived without a roaster, and I will still live. I hope))))
Yuri K
Quote: gawala
I had an aeropress, another purchase .. until I sent it home to my friend as a gift .. I brought it to her and at the same time coffee of my roast. They began to try, it was necessary to show how it all works. In general, we brewed it, she began to drink it and I look my eyes widen with delight .. I ask, they say, what are you doing? And she told me, they say, just try what kind of coffee, this is something. I try .. Yes, Christmas tree-sticks are really, fragrant, tasty .. I've never drank this, to be honest ...
Correctly selected coffee is already 80% of the taste. But besides the variety, there are also a bunch of roasters, each with their own vision of this variety! I only cook in the Turk, I somehow shy away from all these newfangled adaptations .. It's probably easier for me to decide on the selection

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