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francevna
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Pakat, Pavel, for minced meat I think with a flat spatula. And for lumpy meat, many recommend a hook. How do I accomplish my goal. I cooked a lot of meat in the sous-vidnitsa. But from the minced meat, rolled through large cells, the grandson (6 years old) liked the ham, I will cook this.
I put the Biovin ham maker, the minced meat was kneaded by the Moulinex food processor, kneaded with a spatula. So fast, beautiful and my hands don't hurt.
Whole meat - I cook only sous vide ham now.
Botkin
Quote: francevna
I cook ham now only sous-vide
Would you be so kind as to inform the community about the temperature regimes for ham-sous-vide and other details and important details?
Thank you. (bows)
francevna
Botkin, about sous vide in another topic, here are recipes for ham.
gala10
Quote: Botkin
Would you be so kind as to inform the community about the temperature regimes for ham-sous-vide and other details and important details?
Botkin, You here.
Botkin
Thank you. Interesting. I should think. )))


Added Saturday 14 May 2016 09:24 PM

Quote: francevna
in another topic
I understand, but as a result I got a link and it's nice (bows)
Masinen
Botkin, see my recipe, I also cooked suvid
Galya has already given a link))
alaborg
Veal ham with fat tail in "Beloboka" ham maker.

Initially in stock:

1.2 kg. fresh veal
200 gr. lamb fat tail
200 gr. broth ice (frozen unsalted beef broth cooked on the bone with the addition of onions, celery root and carrots)
1 bag of KOTANYI crushed pepper mix
10 gr. nitrite salt
10 gr. ordinary (not iodized) coarse salt crystals (I'll explain why).
10 gr. mixes of spices from the category "mix for meat" (here to everyone's taste).
10 gr. garlic (granulated or 2 "freshly squeezed" cloves)
1 sachet of gelatin

Actually, everything happened spontaneously. I decided to experiment with fat tail fat instead of pork fat. To be honest, I was looking for options for using a fat tail in a sausage and somehow neither Google nor Yandex gave a clear result except for some restaurant links. I must say right away that in meat products the fat tail is not for everybody, despite the fact that I liked it. Therefore, do not rush to the markets and use regular lard.

First of all, I cut the meat into pieces the size of a walnut.
Then I melted 150 grams of fat tail fat in a cauldron just in case (I ate cracklings :)) and the second part of 50 grams, for the sake of curiosity, was cut into small, small fragments the size of a pea. He cooled the melted fat a little, without waiting for it to harden at room temperature (an average state between liquid and semi-solid state) and poured the cooled liquid into the meat and then added a solid component (in general, according to the result, I advise you not to add the fat tail in a fresh state. women will not like its brutal and characteristic, not quite familiar and natural taste. So if you use a fat tail, melt it boldly! Do you like melted fat tail fat in pilaf? It will not be worse. In the case of "non-kosher" "halal" pork There is no need to melt the lard. It tastes familiar and neutral :))

Added 10 gr. nitrites and very actively mixed everything, actually did a deep massage on the meat, from time to time beating it against the board. As is usually done with minced meat.
Then I salted the meat with 10 gr. salt crystals. Why do I use coarse (crystalline) salt. The thing is that ordinary salt is very quickly absorbed into the organic structure of the meat and does not salt it properly, remaining, as you might say, at the upper levels.Salt crystals, on the contrary, melt more slowly when the meat matures and the meat absorbs the salt itself gradually over the entire salting time at the second stage, and thus a more even salting is achieved. As for nitrite (nitrite salt), here it mainly plays three main violins: I suppose you all know them, but for those who first started reading from the last page, I will remind you.

1. Protection against any butulosis-rotten diseases.
2. Beautiful color of the product.
3. The very smack of ham as a result.

After massaging again, squeezing and squeezing the meat with my hands, I closed the basin with a film (not tightly and not overlapping - rather, I even covered it so that there was access to moisture and air and put it in the refrigerator for four days. Every day I took out the ripening meat and mixed it, adding a little bit each time ice crumbs of frozen broth. (I rub the ice on a grater, it seems more convenient to me).

By the end of the third day, I added spices to the meat and actively mixed it again. At the end, after the fourth day, I added the remaining ice crumbs from the broth, a bag of gelatin, once again mixed everything actively and hellishly, and eventually filled the baking bag with meat that had been previously inserted into the ham maker.

PS: Many will ask a question. Why stir meat so often. Here, on my part, most likely - a pure principle of the first successful attempt, a kind of ritual. I don't know why, but it is with such dances with a tambourine that I end up with real ham and not boiled giant meatballs or even a delicious but visually similar meat Frankenstein. And I made and cooked a lot of such meatballs and "Frankenstein" by the first experiments. Then he learned the main postulate about "Patience and work" ... and they really rubbed everything. The most delicious hams I have turned out with the aging of salted meat, a maximum of a month.

Further, the options will suit everyone. Many people bake ham in a convection oven, others boil it. I still belong to lovers of boiled (and boiled-smoked) ham. Therefore, probably such difficulties described above are present with interest.

Cooked as standard with a thermometer. The first hour warmed up at +50. Then he brought the temperature to + 80-85 and 45 minutes with the "silver threads". Then he pulled out a ham maker and put it under the ice-cold running water from the tap for half an hour so that it would be guaranteed to cool down, including inside.

Then I put the unassembled ham in a state of taut springs in the refrigerator for 12 hours. Then I disassemble the ham, take out the ham and roll it in a mixture of large peppers. By the way, a bag is not enough for a kilogram of ham. Better to take 2 or 3 sachets. However, the photo shows the nuances.

The ham turns out to be juicy, with a characteristic ham flavor, dense and homogeneous structure, and is cut even into thin slices (the photo shows a different degree of cutting), even into large "Russian" pieces for sandwiches. And what kind of fried it is .... mmm .... - well, those who are over forty have probably not forgotten the aroma and taste of fried sausage from the USSR. So this is much and an order of magnitude cooler. :)

Homemade ham (collection of recipes for a ham maker)
Umka
Alaborg, Igor, very tasty and delicious You described your beautiful ham !!! Thank you very much for sharing the secrets and subtleties of cooking !!!
alaborg
Umka19, thank you for your feedback

Yes, and forgot to add, so as not to reread the entire post. I do not use a single gram of minced meat in ham after numerous experiments. Only meat, only hardcore.
Aged salted meat does not require any gluing (except for adding gelatin and broth). Here is a side photo.

Homemade ham (collection of recipes for a ham maker)


Posted Saturday 14 May 2016 11:51 PM

Quote: alaborg
epson950
Tell me, is it possible to buy nitrite salt in a real store somewhere in Moscow? Or only through the Internet? For work I travel all over Moscow and therefore the toad does not allow me to pay 70 rubles for salt and 350 rubles (this is a whole ham of meat) for delivery
Pakat
Gugel will answer if you ask - "buy nitrite salt in Moscow self-pickup"
Anchic
epson950, the famous "eat to-i" store has a real store where you can come and buy what you need.
Botkin
Quote: Masinen
Botkin, see my recipe
Where can I find the recipe? (I don’t understand)


Added Sunday 15 May 2016 04:27 PM

Quote: alaborg
I rub the ice on a grater, it seems more convenient to me
Unrealistically cool)))
francevna
Botkin, check your mail, wrote in a personal.
Masinen
Botkin, Here is the prescription

Ham Stebo-Pechkinskaya (sous vide Steba SV2) (Masinen)

Homemade ham (collection of recipes for a ham maker)
Botkin
Got it, thanks a lot (bows)


Added Sunday 15 May 2016 5:55 PM

Quote: francevna
wrote in a personal
I read it in a personal. Thank you (bows)
Valkyr
Quote: alaborg


Yes, and forgot to add, so as not to reread the entire post. I do not use a single gram of minced meat in ham after numerous experiments. Only meat, only hardcore.
Aged salted meat does not require any gluing (except for the addition of gelatin and broth). Here is a side photo.

Homemade ham (collection of recipes for a ham maker)


Posted Saturday 14 May 2016 11:51 PM

Quote: alaborg

oh, how beautiful!
Botkin
Quote: francevna
about sous vide in another topic, here are recipes for ham
I have already fled to another topic. Although I didn't really want to leave the community. But I ran away and now I'm writing there. And they write to me. And that's good (or bad). I want to go back, take me, do not drive me into the subject of sous-vide, let me combine it, especially since the combination of both semantic and technologically very close. The only difference is this vacuum.
Pakat
Ham Chicken Busty - Legged Amateur ...
Homemade ham (collection of recipes for a ham maker)
I put it yesterday, but it's not present today ...
MariV
🔗
and mine is with pork and beef. And I cut everything finely.
Taia
Olga, looks like a ham just wow! What is the recipe?
MariV
In a very simple way - I cut the meat into small pieces, added all my favorite spices, salt - nitrite and ordinary salt, sugar, water retainer, cognac, kneaded, ripened all 24 hours in biovine, cooked and cooled. And that's all.
Taia
Thank you, everything is clear.
What is a "moisture retainer"? I haven’t read anything about this. Or have I missed ...
Botkin
And about boiled-cooled ... To what temperature in the center of the product did you cook?


Added Monday 30 May 2016 4:02 PM

How much cognac is per 1 kg of Biovin? And does what cognac matter? VSOP, VS or XO?
gala10
Quote: Botkin
And does what cognac matter?
Armenian.
Botkin
Here you, beautiful Gala10, laugh, and then once ... and the ham will not come out ... And it turns out that because of the cognac. And on whom then to blame all the responsibility?
Rarerka
Botkin, yes even on meWhen I'm not around, you can even beat me
You yourself understand that it's not about cognac here, but about its quantity and availability in general
Here, in the presence of nitrite, it is, rather, a flavoring component
Botkin
That the matter in nitrite is clear to me. But is it about cognac? What does he, besides, conventionally, carry an aromatic component? Where, into yourself or into the ham? This is not an easy question. Here's how you can read (yes, the walking one will master) wrote in my posts that I used vodka. And I really used it. 3-4 tablespoons per 1 kg of mixture. And he did it without nitrite. If cognac is used for flavoring with nitrite, then the best effect can be achieved by using spices. But if its (cognac) use pursues other goals, then I ask you to inform about these goals, because it knocks you off the right course.
About "beat you in your absence".
I do not exclude that it can also be connected with cognac here. But thank you very much for your courage and responsiveness (bows).
Vinokurova
And I don't like cognac in sausages ... I used to add it, but now I stopped it ... it's tastier for me to catch up with spices ... add fish to the ambassador, that's the deal !.
MariV
Taia,Taya, it's just agar-agar or gelatin - if without it, then there will be a broth, which is drained after cooking, and so, after standing in the refrigerator, there will be jelly.

Botkin,
And about boiled-cooled ... To what temperature in the center of the product did you cook?
- according to the recommendations of the meat production technologists -I have already written in this thread many times!

About cognac - nothing special, unpretentious, Hennessy Beauté du Siècle, my husband "cut", 1 tbsp. l. per kilo. We like it with cognac!
Sumerk
Quote: Rarerka
it's not about cognac, but about its quantity and availability in general
And also - in the proportion "in itself / in the meat". For violation thereof reduces the pleasure of the process.


Added on Tuesday 31 May 2016 10:07 AM

Quote: MariV
We like it with cognac!
Comrade Cognac and I also love pleasure!
posetitell
Anatoly, thanks for your description of the preparation, we did it according to your advice and everything turned out well.
Sumerk
Quote: posetitell
thanks for your description of the preparation
Mne-uh ... For which? It seems that I am still far from the guru ...
But thanks anyway!
posetitell
Quote: Sumerk

Mne-uh ... For which? It seems that I am still far from the guru ...
But thanks anyway!

This
Initial data: turkey breast fillet 1.6 kg, Belobok ham, saucepan, water, gas stove, two Chinese thermometers.
Marinade: similar to the previous ones, it was made immediately for two pieces of meat (2 liters of water, 160 g of table salt, 4 tsp. With a slide of adjika, 2 tsp. Seasoning for pork, 0.5 tsp. Hops- suneli, boil for 10 minutes, cool to + 4 ° С)
Preparation: injection with brine, massage.
Cooking:
18:00 The turkey is set in the pan. Water + 14.5 °, body + 4 °
19:20 Water temperature + 80 °. Stabilized.
21:30 Water temperature + 80 °. Body temperature + 71 °.
Post-processing: Rapid cooling. After 12 hours, it was removed from Beloboka and returned to the refrigerator.
Granny
Tell me, please, when you put a ham maker in the refrigerator for 48 hours, do you have to wear springs? Or can you compact it well, and when you cook, then tighten the springs?
Pakat
It is better to immediately put on the springs and let it ripen with pre-pressing, and then immediately into the furnace ...
Granny
I did it for the first time, put the springs right away. Tasty, cut thinly, does not fall apart, BUT a little dry ...
Pakat
The initial products are dry and I added little water, this is if the temperature regime is not exceeded ...
Granny
Thank you. I will consider.
Samopal
Pakat, just art!
Maria Evgenevna
Girls, tell me, please, can you put a ham maker in a double boiler? I really do not want to fire the oven (I did it in my sleeve last time, but did not put the pallet on, my whole oven is blamed).
Countryman
Maria Evgenevna, the steamer will be too hot. Precisely ~ 100C. And it takes about 80C. And the oven is also only for mastering the ham maker for beginners.
Maria Evgenevna
Yeah thanks. So, the oven ... I'm a beginner (I just start for a very long time))))
Pakat
Quote: Countryman
And the oven is also only for mastering the ham maker for beginners.
So I am also a beginner, I am doing it in the oven ...
Countryman
No, Paul, You mastered... Moreover, not only a ham, but also an oven attached to it. Because the oven (great shamanism) - for such purposes it is not even very simplea... Compared to other more suitable units.

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