Elena Tim
Quote: Kara
Kefir how?
In!
But 6 hours, kaatsa for me, is too much. He was straight hot, so even in the refrigerator he still continued to ripen. But nevertheless it turned out cool. Moderately thick and without excess sourness.
Fermentor for kefir 5+!
Rada-dms
And where is Lenka !? Tasting the first batch
Kara
Quote: Elena Tim

In!
But 6 hours, kaatsa for me, is too much. He was straight hot, so even in the refrigerator he still continued to ripen.

Flax, it seems, but you need at least 8 hours in the refrigerator for ripening And yogurt with sour cream also
Rada-dms
Oops ... tasting kefirchik, what a fine fellow !!!
Elena Tim
Quote: Rada-dms
And where is Lenka !? Tasting the first batch
The first batch of what? Is that kefir.
I'll go and squeeze oranges for Irka's wine. And the red-haired fermenter will arrive tomorrow. And how will I live without him for a whole day and a half? ...
Elena Tim
Quote: Kara
need at least 8 hours in the refrigerator for ripening
Are you kidding me? Yes, he schA, as soon as it completely cools down, Timon will be all over him. He simply cannot live without sour milk, and if kefir is tasty, then he has two liters - "for one bite"!
vernisag
Girls, and sour cream should be put on "kvass"? There seems to be the most suitable temperature
Kara
Quote: vernisag

Girls, and sour cream should be put on "kvass"? There seems to be the most suitable temperature

No, no, no, at fermentation !!
Omela
And what about yogurt? This is not to read the instructions.
Matilda_81
Quote: Omela
And what about yogurt? This is not to read the instructions.
and yogurt on fermentation
Omela
Gulnara,
Kara
In short, all sour milk - on program 1 - fermentation.
Omela
6 o'clock?
Matilda_81
Ksyusha, I remember Irisha sour for 8 hours
I always set on other devices on 8. The figure is beautiful.
Kara
I yogurt and sour cream leavened for 8 hours, and Lenka won kefir - 6
Omela
Thank you girls. If I can buy it, I'll put the yogurt tomorrow. And if everything has already been sorted out, then it's not destiny.)))
vernisag
Quote: Kara

In short, all sour milk - on program 1 - fermentation.
Got it thanks
GruSha
I want to put sour cream for the night, about 8 hours, then it will be okay? fermented by Vivo
Kara
Will be just right
GruSha
Irina, great, I'll go prepare everything, the atoms just brought))) I'm impatient
GruSha
and room temperature cream? Or do you need to warm up to 40?
Elena Tim
Gulsine, room is quite suitable. Today I used just such milk for kefir.
Scarecrow
And I always bet on 6 o'clock. I don’t know how in Orson, but in Tefalevskaya - 6. For me, just that.

I have liquid yeast in the fermenter))). Who has that))). I have a whole liter of sour cream, homemade kefir is also leavened, Varenets is made (check out the scale of the tragedy), so I don't need any sour milk yet.
selenа
Quote: Scarecrow
that's why I don't need any sour milk yet.
put a vinyl quickly
Elena Tim
Quote: Scarecrow
that's why I don't need any sour milk yet.
Che, will you dangle around the house sober?
Scarecrow
Elena Tim,

And what, kvass and kefir are no longer considered?)))

I have my own kvass, cooked up without a fermenter, and homemade kefir is finally a thing. As you crash - you can't get behind the wheel, strong, with gas cars))).
Florichka
And the instructions for the fermentation mode indicate different times for different products and 8 hours, and 10. And how many are there by default? And if you need more just on / off, because the time is not regulated. O'explain pzhlst who has already done. And how to make sour cream there?
Rada-dms
I always ferment for 6 hours, and I always warm up the milk, as it should be according to the technology. I saw the show for a long time, there a Bulgarian in the village was making yogurt.She heated the milk to the temperature that she determined without a thermometer. If 15 sec. can a finger dipped in milk withstand, then it's time to pour in a mixture of cold milk and sourdough. A liter is about a glass of this mixture. I did this, apparently, when you pour a cool mixture into the heated milk, then the temperature becomes necessary, evens out, for making Bulgarian yogurt.
Kara
Quote: Florichka

And the instructions for the fermentation mode indicate different times for different products and 8 hours, and 10. And how many are there by default? And if you need more just on / off, because the time is not regulated. O'explain pzhlst who has already done. And how to make sour cream there?

Time is adjustable on any program - top right button.

Quote: Rada-dms

If 15 sec. can a finger dipped in milk withstand, then it's time to pour in a mixture of cold milk and sourdough.

I don’t know, I think it’s very hot. All the bacteria we need will die (cook). Lactic acid bacteria die at a temperature of 60 degrees. The temperature of the fermented product should not be higher than 40 degrees, but preferably 33-35. You can also at room temperature. And it would be desirable to bring the cold product (the sourdough itself) to the same temperature. For lactic acid fermentation, the main rule is: not hot or cold.
Well, you shouldn't stick your fingers into milk. In one of the topics, Shumasha told us what the consequences could be if bacteria that we don't need at all got into the sour milk. All utensils, including spoons, whisks, must be spread out. We cannot extend our fingers
Otherwise, we will have "not all yoghurts are equally useful" (C)

Some clever theory


During lactic acid fermentation, caused by a specific group of bacteria, glucose decomposes to lactic acid. Among the by-products of lactic acid fermentation, acetic acid, carbon dioxide, and sometimes ethyl alcohol are noted.
There are three known types of fermentation caused by lactic acid bacteria:

1) Homofenzymatic lactic acid fermentation, in which only lactic acid C6H12O6 == 2CH3CHONSOON is formed from glucose;

2) Heterofenzymatic lactic acid fermentation, when from glucose, in addition to lactic acid, ethyl alcohol and СО2 С6Н12О6 = СН3СНОСООН + СН3СН2ОН + СО2 are obtained;

3) fermentation caused by bifidobacteria - bifidification, in which acetic and lactic acids are formed from glucose 2C6H12O6 = 3CH3COOH + 2CH3CHONCOOH.

Homofermentative lactic acid fermentation is based on the reactions of the Embden - Meyerhof - Parnas pathway, heteroenzymatic - reactions of the pentose phosphate pathway, and bifid fermentation - also reactions of the pentose phosphate pathway or the Entner - Dudorov pathway.

In addition to glucose, lactic acid bacteria ferment a large amount of sugars: fructose, galactose, mannose, sucrose, lactose, maltose and pentose. When fermenting these compounds, there are some deviations from conventional fermentation patterns. For example, fermentation of fructose produces lactic and acetic acids, CO2 and mannitol.

By the shape of the cells, lactic acid bacteria are rods (long and short) and cocci. They can form paired or chain-like clusters. These are immobile, non-spore-forming (with the exception of Sporolactobacillus inulinus) gram-positive organisms. Lactic acid bacteria are anaerobes, but at the same time they are aerotolerant, that is, they can grow when oxygen is available.

In addition to substances containing carbon and nitrogen, lactic acid bacteria need other elements (phosphorus, potassium, calcium, etc.), which they usually obtain from various mineral compounds. Most lactic acid bacteria require growth factors. Individual bacteria, requiring one growth substance, such as riboflavin, enrich the environment in which they develop with other growth substances, such as vitamin B1.

Lactic acid bacteria can develop in quite different temperature conditions. Most live at temperatures from 7-10 to 40-42 ° C, with an optimum of 30-40 ° C.However, in nature there are forms that are capable of reproducing in the zone of lower (minimum 3 ° C) or higher (maximum 55-57 ° C) temperatures. Lactic acid bacteria do not form spores, therefore, when the temperature rises above the specified limit, they die relatively quickly.

Best of all, lactic acid bacteria multiply when the environment is neutral. However, during their development, they significantly acidify the nutrient medium, therefore they adapted to existence in a zone of rather low pH. Rod-shaped forms tolerate lower pH values ​​of the medium than coccoid ones. These are acid-loving organisms, the optimum pH is usually 5.5-5.8 or less, as a rule, they grow at a pH of 5 and below.

Florichka
Great! Thank you. So I confused it with the temperature. I'll pick up my redhead today, then I'll try to put kvass from rhubarb. Already grown, I always do it in the summer, I like it.
GruSha
Quote: Rada-dms
If 15 sec. can a finger dipped in milk withstand, then it's time to pour in a mixture of cold milk and sourdough.
it is the little finger that is necessary, so my grandmothers and my mother always did, now I do)))
Kara
My grandmother, by some miracle, always made fermented baked milk, simply leaving fermented milk on the table in the kitchen without any yogurt makers and fermenters. Here's how, tell me, she did it
Rada-dms
Quote: GruSha
it is the little finger that is necessary, so my grandmothers and my mother always did, now I do)))
Exactly, I forgot to write!
Rada-dms
Quote: Kara
We cannot extend our fingers
Otherwise, we will have "not all yoghurts are equally useful" (C)
Ir, yes, everything is correct! And I sterilize jars, practically, and spoons and lids! But the finger test, also practically sterile, when there is no thermometer, has never failed. You pour in cold sourdough there, and the temperature immediately drops. And some starters must be injected at a certain temperature so that the bacteria start working immediately, as I was told at the Gabrichevsky Institute.
And so, yes, if the leaven is alive, then the milk will turn sour anyway, like my grandmother's, it's only a matter of time and temperature in the environment.
GruSha
I have a set of containers from ikea, such a large set))
Here's one container got up, I don't really know how it will turn out, but I took a chance. I just put kefir for 6 hours, 1 liter

Fermenter Oursson FE0205D / GA

Sour cream in the cold, put it at night
vernisag
Girls, but how many hours should I put kvass on? The book contains the full program, and the bottle with the concentrate contains 10-12 hours. I put it at 12 o'clock, but he is not ready to determine whether he is ready, I do not know how

I cooked yoghurt yesterday, fermented it with a store activator, I don’t have any ferments, it stood in 5 hours, the whey separated. Enough 4 hours, I always do this in the multitude and made 3.5-4 hours such yogurt was prepared for me.
vernisag
By the way, there is an error in the instructions in the picture, there are buttons shown, 6 - wine, 7 kvass, in fact, on the contrary, as I understand kvass, the last 3 button.
Irina F
Quote: Florichka

I'll pick up my redhead today, then I'll try to put kvass from rhubarb. Already grown, I always do it in the summer, I like it.
Great! Can you share a recipe for kvass?
Kara
Quote: vernisag

By the way, there is an error in the instructions in the picture, there are buttons shown, 6 - wine, 7 kvass, in fact, on the contrary, as I understand kvass, the last 3 button.

Yeah, Irish, we've already discussed this HERE
musyanya
CSN online store broke the price of 3090. Have become impudent !! If you also pay for delivery, then finally a difficult case ..

I think there are no fermenters anywhere in the Far East. : - \ And it was the girls who stimulated someone and the stores began to unload the wagons with fermenters back at night, since people began to take them in the same hands as many as 3-10 pieces in the European part of the country ... like hotcakes ... Well, nothing, probably some trailer did not have time to unload?
But my husband was filled with the idea that we need it too !!
I think that not very greedy stores will be lucky with the proceeds this and next month .. We are waiting ..

P.S. You don't have to pay for delivery to the CSN branch, so only 3090 .. Expensive, the toad won't let you pay .. I love amphibians since childhood ...
vernisag
Quote: Kara

Yeah, Irish, we've already discussed this HERE
Aaa
Irish, what do you think about kvass? What to focus on, a recipe book or recommendations that are written on a bottle of kvass concentrate?
musi
Quote: Musyanya
someone in the Far East has no fermenters
People, for that there is 🔗 at a tempting price, I would still find who we have from Chita
musyanya
musi, I reached Ulan-ude .. Neither Vladivostok nor Khabarovsk is dumb .. And in Chita there are no acquaintances either ..
musi
musyanya, Duc I also joke in that direction, on May 27 we fly to the Far East to Ussuriysk there is nowhere in the vicinity available only in Chita, Novosibirsk and Tomsk Former colleagues live in Novosib and Tomsk, but there are no phone numbers
GuGu
The virgins who need it, ran to OZONE at 2190 rubles.
kirch
I ordered on Ozone
musi
kirch, give a link, I can not find
GuGu
musi, catch - 🔗
kirch
Natasha outstripped
musi
GuGu, thanks ordered, she cost me, together with the baking dish, at 113.92 r used 500 points from ozone for my birthday and thanks balls from sber

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