Ivan tea (fermentation of fireweed leaves) - master class

[Tricia]

Tricia, Ivan's tea is hanging for now, everything else is signed, laid out in cans, and today I have collected raspberries and lingonberries, they are dried, so far I love raspberries and currants with strawberries.

It bothers me that everyone is writing about the crazy fruity smell during fermentation, it seems that I really perceive the smell differently, or I still do something wrong, although I seem to strictly follow the recipe.

You know, it is difficult to make delicious tea from ivan tea, so you, Tatyana, are one of many who did not succeed. The rest are simply silent or think that what they have done is the norm for tea, and about us who hear fruit smells, they think that we are lying or are mired in girlish mimicry.

This is the third year I have been doing it, the tea is very tasty, when it lasts for a year or two, and the aroma is there, but I don't feel the crazy fruity aroma during fermentation. At first I was in a complex, looking for reasons, and now I am doing it, not eating a lot. Maybe I have such a perception of smell ... But I don’t think that I’m not doing tea, and besides, I’m not drinking alone ...

[Nadyushich]

Nadyushich, reassured, thanks. It has now become obvious to me that focusing on the smell and looking for the strongest during fermentation is not mine, only in time, by the method of samples

[Nadjusic, Nadya]

Nadjusic, Nadya, everyone drinks what he likes. Someone drinks store-bought Ivan-tea and writes with delight, someone says that it is silage.
Although we do not know the authentic recipe for Koporye tea, I already know from my own experience what it can be in many of its variations, and what it cannot. And novice tea makers do not know this yet and drink what they have. Not dry fermented, over-fermented, under-fermented. And I drank and tried, this is the same trial and error method.
And, thank God, the fruity aroma reached me, that is, I experimented to such an extent that I felt it, which is unspeakably happy.

Someone does not feel. Well, these are the peculiarities of the perception of smells, this is the case. But someone inexperienced will call their failure a feature of perception, that's what I'm sorry for. Instead of looking further and striving for a fruity aroma. That's why I always write about it so that people don't give up and try again!

[Tricia]

Tricia, Anastasia, I read yours - "they think that what they got is the norm for tea." I sit and think if I belong to this number, I have nothing to compare with ... And so much effort was expended.

It seems to me that many people still have a different understanding of fruit notes, the associative array is different for everyone

[Tanuha1482]

Tanuha1482, I thought so too, until recently))) This aroma definitely cannot be confused with anything, even associations are not required! When he learns once))) I'm still with my sage, now I know roughly what kind of aroma to expect from Ivanka, otherwise, too, only empty words were for me)))

[Yuri K]

Yuri K, we will search, we would rent one more of your noses, so that at least roughly understand what we are looking for

[spring]

spring, Elena, I'm sorry that I can't offer my own tea - there is no normal pure ivanchi left. I am sitting with the baby, I myself could not go for a leaf last year, I was interrupted by someone else's leaf, and we drank that tea long ago.
Fruity sweetish aroma during fermentation, remind! In its finished form, after dry fermentation, it turns into either honey-sweetish, or dried fruit, or into the smell of dry blueberries and rose hips. I remind you that these are phantom scents, light.
Or maybe your tea will smell like pears or raisins / prunes. Or it will give milky notes.
Well, at least kill me! A proper tea made from ivan tea cannot fail to give at least some interesting aromas!
Maybe people have hay fever or some kind of rhinitis, either against the background of taking medication or poor ecology, or something else from which the scent has lost its sharpness?
I can hear badly, but maybe they don't smell very well?

Or it will give milky notes.

And this can be ???

[Tricia]

Tricia, Nastya, I'm glad for you that you have achieved this aroma. But what I want to say is that the newcomers did everything right, but they did not feel the scent, maybe they put their nose in at the wrong moment, or maybe the sense of smell is different, but they will read that the tea was unsuccessful, throw it away and generally tie it up.

... That's why I always write about it so that people don't give up and try again!

So I want this, so that they do not give up and continue to do.

I also thought so, until recently))) This aroma is definitely not to be confused with anything, even associations are not required! When he studies once))) I

Yura, with tea from the leaves is completely different, they already smell awesome at the stage of the meat grinder, but with Ivanushka it is a little different.

[Yuri K]

Yuri K, in the very first season I made tea from peony leaves. And it tasted like milk oolong. One to one!
He would not have the color and price!

[Nadyushich]

Nadyushich, so I probably also have a perverted sense of smell. Never before, when twisting from the leaves, did I manage to feel THE MOST or close to it aroma ... These smells seem quite suffocating to me, but thank God they radically change when drying!

like milk oolong.

Oh, I don't even know what it is, I'm sorry ...

at least kill me! A proper tea made from ivan tea cannot fail to give at least some interesting aromas!

I am writing about the aroma during fermentation. The tea which has passed air fermentation, smells really differently. And I will not say that during fermentation it does not smell, smells, but not a deliciously fruity aroma.

In general, I have been drinking tea for 30 years, there is no hay fever ...

In general, Ivan has been doing tea for 30 years

Abaldet ....... These are the peaks that can be achieved in such a time by selection and cooking ...

[Nadia]

Nadia! It has already been said a thousand times that dry fermentation is needed for several months, or even six months!
We repeat this to everyone: do not throw it away, dry it well and leave it, let it lie down. Why is there now a conversation about throwing it out?
These inattentive beginners are scattered with raw materials in a nervous fit.
Do you think that my words about these fragrances will or have already spurred them on?

So what now? To be silent, not to say, what kind of tea should it be? That it can be as fruity, as honey, and as milk?
Nobody needs self-improvement and search for the best?
Are everyone afraid to hear and understand that they did not work? And why? So I drink my granulated one, I observe how the people get honey, and I don’t throw away my tea - I don’t need honey, my tea tastes better to me.

Well, you will forgive my scribbles here ... my 4 years of tea making cannot be compared with 30 years. but if for 30 years you have never felt the wonderful aromas of Ivan tea at all stages of preparation ... It's a pity

[Yuri K]

Yuri K, well ... tea like that. From tea leaves (may my brothers forgive me reason forum)



Tricia, Nastenka, I can compare tea with wine, can I?
I love (loved) this wine ... FETYASKA. Simple dry white ... And I heard a light aroma in it, and a wonderful aftertaste. And a slight bitterness from a grape seed ...
And EVERYONE who tried it next to me said - FU! SOUR! As such, in general, you can drink, and even praise!
Any food, any drink - from the category like-dislike, not tasty-tasteless. IMHO
And the sensitivity of our receptors is different. And we hear a different range, and we see different shades.
Here, at least beat me now, but I think that ANY tea has the right to life! (well, except for the frankly rotten and burnt).
By analogy with wines ... of the twentieth year ... and NN-th area ...

[Tricia]

Tricia, Nastya, I don't want to argue anymore. You drink the tea you like, so let the beginners work out their experience for their tea.And for your advice, thank you very much for supporting Temka in Luda's absence.
And I advise beginners to put their tea away for storage with a detailed description of the manufacturing process for each batch and, after long-term storage, analyze which option they like best. So the experience will be gained.

[Radushka]

ANY tea has the right to life!

Radushka, what do you mean? Did I say something about other people's teas ??! I have never, anywhere, never gagged someone else's tea and said that it has no right to exist.

It was about the fact that it is not necessary in this topic to talk about the fruitiness / honeyiness / milkiness of Ivan tea during working with it and after dry fermentation. That it makes newbies throw away tea and give up.
It seemed strange to me, to be honest ...

But there is a grain of truth in all of this: so much has already been written about Ivan tea that I only waste my time and the reader's time on these "fruit" repetitions. Whoever needs it, he read and heard. From my side, I prefer to close the topic. If some of the newbies are close to my ideas, and they do not understand something or are interested in other details - welcome to the PM!
And here it makes no sense to discuss it any more.

[Tricia]

Tricia, Nastya, thank you.

[spring]

spring, Elena, Oh, I’m so ... if only I liked it myself! And there are those who like it too!

Hello, dear tea-makers. I read the last few pages, I almost fainted .... It's the first time in my life that I decided to make such a tea, I did everything exactly according to the "recipe" from the first page. Narwhal leaves, accidentally seeing a glade of Ivan-tea in a neighboring abandoned vegetable garden in the village, far from the road, next to fruit trees (vopsche, I thought the place was very environmentally friendly). I put it on a large waffle towel to wither in the evening, but my soul is restless - it’s hot in the apartment, and in the morning to work ... After twisting them for three hours, I twisted a towel with leaves into a bundle, put it in a bowl. And in the morning, without looking, I put it in a bag and in the refrigerator. In the evening after work I took it out, unfolded it - the smell was so tasty from the leaves, squeezed it into a ball - it seemed to me that it was holding on like this normally, it did not crumble. And here I, not being afraid and not suspecting anything (this is me about the last pages of the topic ...) I cut my beloved Kesha - a meat grinder nozzle, and without a twinge of conscience I start twisting the leaves ... Keshenka warmed up, did not make strange sounds, and great coped with his task. Et, what? could I ditch him? As I can imagine - frost on the skin ... Well, that means I scrolled and set the mass to ferment overnight in a Taper plastic bowl Charm, covering it with a wet towel on top ... By the way, when I was spinning it in a meat grinder, my husband went into the kitchen and asked: Why did we get so big with apples?
In the morning, the mass became dark, I can't describe the smell, but it was sooo pleasant. It was sprinkled on parchment on a baking sheet and in the oven for 1.5 hours at 100 degrees with the door ajar. During this time, the tea dried to a rustling state and there were no traces of dampness on the fault. Poured into a pillowcase, hanging in the room on the door for 3 days already. How much more to hang? Or is it already possible to pour? I want to pour taper's for storage into aquacontrol. Will it fit? Thank you)

[notka_notka]

notka_notka, to ferment at night, how many hours did it take?

[Tatyana]

Tatyana, about 10-12 I had it. Now, by the way, I sniffed the contents in the pillowcase. It smells very nice, unobtrusive ... My husband heard the smell of dried fruit, but I would not say that.

Yesterday the fireweed was wilted. I wrapped most of it with granules. The smaller part was twisted into rolls, right on the table with my palm. So it seemed to me easy and convenient to ride. I immediately cut them and fermented them (3.5 hours) Fried them, dried them, poured them into a pillowcase. The smell was faint in the evening. And in the morning, sheer delight.
The granules were fermented for 13 hours. Also fried, now they are drying.
Many write that they do not smell the smells that are being discussed here. It is a pity that you cannot catch this delightful nuance.

Girls, what kind of flowering is this? Excuse me, while I haven't seen Fireweed live yet. I'm afraid to confuse. I saw it in the photo and video from the network, but live ...
This is a smelly from my edge, about 200 km from the city. Are the flowers very similar?

[Yuri]

Yuri, I tried to examine the picture under a strong magnification (as the resolution allowed to see something), the inflorescences seemed to me not very similar to fireweed (the structure of the panicle). The leaves also seemed to be paired-opposite, but in fireweed they seemed to be a spiral. Although I may be wrong looking at the pictures.

Py-Sy: With a quick glance more like lupine.

[ANGELINA BLACKmore]

ANGELINA BLACKmore, Thank you! These are not my photos, an acquaintance from those lands brought where we were going to go for reconnaissance))

Of course, it's easier for us - this real fireweed has always grown a lot. Therefore, you can collect with your eyes closed)))
But I have never seen sage with us (but I would like ... after your, with him, romance)))

[ANGELINA BLACKmore]

ANGELINA BLACKmore, we have a steppe region)) Sage sometimes grows in whole glades! But Ivanka ... he's not around, it's a shame! Well, if I don't find it, I will mow the sage

[Yuri]

Yuri, yes ... so you just have to drool over teas from other lands. Well, okay ... what the Creator determined for us from that and we will drink tea.

[ANGELINA BLACKmore]

ANGELINA BLACKmore, right!

It is a pity that the author of the topic, Lyudmila, has long been absent from Temko and the forum
And in the photo it is not Ivan-tea at all, and far from lupins

Now we walked through the fields, found a little thyme, so I think, just dry it or add it to mixes?

far from lupins

Certainly not lupins. I have not stated this))

[Tanuha1482]

Tanuha1482, I have two bags, one with matyugas peeled from twigs, the second one has not been mastered, in the form of twigs. They lie in the freezer, I also don't know what to do with them ...

[Yuri K]

Yuri K, it's mouse peas, isn't it? To take a closer look ...


And at least some fireweed has such a structure:


On right. With pink flowers, 342.



Sori for a photo, in a hurry filmed so that the child would not play the book. I can't turn it over from the phone.
Photo from here - my desk book




In the shape of the flower, the peas seem to be labiate, and the fireweed flower is always of four petals and pink or white, but not lilac. And not a creeping plant, but erect stems, although sometimes short in the mountains or tundra.

[Tricia]

Tricia, Yes, I myself have not seen the details of growth and structure. I did not understand well from the photo. Well, I hope I'll see Ivanka - I'm not mistaken, I definitely remember the leaves from the video

The leaf is single, does not look like a sprig of mimosa or acacia, like a pea.
At the very beginning of the topic, Luda has a photo ... or there only flowers ...

[Tricia]

Tricia, let's figure it out, go and not schoolchildren In practice, we will understand!

[Yuri K]

Yuri K, I remembered your feat with thyme, I read it, but I have very little of it and the leaves are sooo small and the twigs are soft, it makes no sense to separate one from the other

[Tanuha1482]

Tanuha1482, and my stem is like a wire, the leaves are also small)))

[Tanuha1482]

Tanuha1482, you be careful with thyme. He's also a meat grinder killer. At least it wound around the auger no worse than wire. Since then, I don't add it to tea at all when scrolling.

[Tricia]

Tricia, it is very soft and small, but I'd rather dry it, in short

erect stems, although sometimes short in the mountains or tundra.

And not the mountains we have, and far from the tundra, but the height of my Ivanushka on a village meadow samosad - less than 30 cm
Wind and sun!

Homemade Ivan tea is grown from seeds and from sent rhizomes.

[Vasyutka]

Vasyutka, the beauty! Natasha, I was "jealous"
I don't grow like that! Something is not right for him. But, for additives in seagulls for himself, his beloved is going slowly. I mixed currant tea with Ivanushka. It turned out great! (currants + strawberries + fireweed)

[Radushka]

I made a large leaf and some golden curls.





Radushka, I do a little while I have it. And with additives I decided later.

[Nataliya]

Nataliya, well, this is aerobatics!

[Nataliya]

Nataliya, oh ... how beautiful ...
How is this done?