Ivan tea (fermentation of fireweed leaves) - master class

[Radushka]

Radushka, there is also some kind of express, but the amount of horse fight. Nafig need to feed them more)))

[Yuri K]

Yuri K, no, we have absolutely comparable to the usual ... a little more expensive

[Radushka]

Radushka, I often use mail, I know their "kitchen" a little. There are parcels at the regular price, without insurance, there are 1st class shipments, a little more expensive, but they explained to me long ago that this is the same thing, it rides in the same carriage, ships on the same day, just marketing))) And then there is EMC mail, that's what I mentioned about it, horse prices comparable to Transport companies. This is so with us))

[Yuri K]

Yuri K, it's bad that you have so ... Probably because the distances are different. All the same, we will have a smaller country. I sent it yesterday. Kharkiv-Boryspil - should receive today. Kharkov-Lutsk - tomorrow. Price - per kilogram parcel - 45 UAH, for 2 kg - 55 (two dollars, if that)

(two dollars, if that)

For a kilogram parcel? Very good! Recently, cuttings of ficuses were sent to me -350 rubles. sluped, the weight was scanty, the volume was greater))

[Yuri K]

Yuri K, for two kilograms. For 1kg cheaper

[Radushka]

Radushka, read it already, understood))

[Yuri K]

Yuri K, throw the address in a personal. I'll try all the same. I'll find out in the mail next week.

[Natalia-NN]

Natalia-NN, will be done! Thanks again!

"Deep fermentation tea (20 - 36 hours) - tart, no sourness"
This is a quote from Luda from the first page. And since my tea did not want to smell like fruit, on some page, I read the message from Rad-dms. that she did a 36 hour fermentation and liked the tea. I decided to adopt her example. Everything turned out great.

[orange]

orange, that's what we are talking about, until you try it yourself, you will not get the result. I have met many different contradictions more than once ... but asking here for any reason is forbidden, as it turned out, they get irritated I also store my own rakes and not other people's rakes in my personal closet, it's easier

I store my own and not someone else's rakes in my personal closet

and you are absolutely right!
The taste and color, as they say ... Look, yesterday in one family three tried it. Two liked one more, and one the other! And who is to the right?
The point is always that any deviations from the "classics" would be good to do not at the beginning of the path, but when there is already a full hand. Leave small sample jars. And try and compare different manufacturing methods, different fermentation exposure, different drying modes. And even different storage containers. So your own favorite will be developed, for YOU it will be ideal, a recipe for making a luxurious tea.
Good for those who have a small selection of scent. There is Ivanushka, and experiment as much as you want ... Fortunately, collecting it is a pleasure!
And if the plants are DARK? And if you are tortured to collect them, because driving for them back and forth is a day to spend and collect only one batch of leaves? And I want to try this and this, and this, and that, and the candebober ...
It's a pity for time, pity for our hands, pity for electricity ... All our irritations from the fact that your labor is a pity! And if not yours, then the one who will follow and start on the same rake ... And he will be disappointed ... And he will give up this tea business. And again he will start to drink foreign countries with chemistry in half

And he will be disappointed ... And he will give up this tea business. And again he will start to drink foreign countries with chemistry in half

I have already encountered this. I hope that after trying my creation, we have already received the package, interest will flare up with renewed vigor

but asking here for any reason is forbidden, as it turned out, they get annoyed

Colleagues!
Well, what's going on, don't go into the topic - all the time there is some squabbling, a frantic flight of fancy of newcomers, not supported by experience, vulgar jokes (stunned! In this thread!) And the absence of old-timers. No constructive information. In short, it is not interesting to read, at times it is disgusting, and even more so to participate.

It's difficult for me to insert links from my phone, so forgive me without them.

Dear newbies!
You forget that even though this topic has turned into a chatterbox, a mess, and later almost a dump, it was originally a topic for one recipe! With a very strict recipe and a strict cooking algorithm. Those who stood at the origins know this and that is why they react to all deviations from the beginners' recipe. Even Lyudmila herself, the author of the recipe !, not a topic, said many times that she was not responsible for the result if it was not done according to the recipe and was very painful about strong deviations from the recipe. Very painful and in lengthy, well-reasoned posts, she explained why you need to adhere to the recipe.
Do you know what happens? The situation is as if you came to the topic of bread on cold dough and with enthusiasm would begin to tell how you baked everything on fast yeast at a different temperature. Charred to cover and serve as super tasty. The people in the recipe are at a loss: why did they come here? Go to the recipe where you got the cooking data. Or make your own recipe and share your experience there. Nobody will reproach you under any circumstances - you will taste charred bread and tea for 40 hours of fermentation. Ok, who are we to challenge your tastes somehow. Make your own recipe and let your 40-hour fermentation be your know-how.
But not in this recipe! Initially, the parameters are different! And when the old-timers, in bewilderment, tell you that this is the topic of the recipe not about charred crusts, but about cold dough, and they advise you to read the first pages in order to refresh this very moment - not to interrupt your flow of enthusiasm, but to indicate that the recipe is something different - they begin vulgar pseudo-jokes about female dissatisfaction and statements like "well, if it makes me so annoying to answer, then I went!" My friends, this is a complete fu! Let me remind you, if anyone else did not understand, this is a "girl forum", and the main users here are women. Personally, this inappropriate pseudo-joke pissed me off! What can a man know about the reasons that a woman sharply and clearly articulates her thoughts, to the point and it is clear why this is called bitchiness and how this can relate to a constructive discussion of tea topics ??! Such a tone of communication on our forum is not welcome, and in Lyudochka's topic - it is simply inappropriate! I’m already just terribly ashamed that this is happening here in her absence 😣, it hurts and insults for her beloved brainchild.
And further. About lectures, lack of answers to newcomers' questions, etc.
I don’t know about other old-timers, but personally I’m not interested in wading through the "crazy professor's experiments" to kill tea. Almost everyone who does not make according to the recipe produces a tea that I would never have made for myself, because I know for sure that it will not taste good to me. Like many experienced tea makers. And what is the point for us to come here and answer questions from people who are not on our wavelength.

Yes, this recipe now requires strict moderation. Although it used to be a club of interests for us, the Tea Gazebo later spun off from this recipe. For the experience of future tea makers, the whole topic was left uncut, so that newcomers would not disfigure tea with their frantic enthusiasm. But, as I can see, they hurt more ...
Ok, everyone makes tea to the best of their imagination, this is not our business, they themselves then drink and rejoice - it's already good.

I, as an old-timer of this recipe, standing at its origins, would ask everyone to refrain from flat and vulgar jokes, squabbles and fights!
If you have something to say about tea, bring specific data, photos, reports, calculations with temperatures, characteristics of raw materials, tea equipment, etc.
T. to.For every notification from this recipe, I run to the forum in the hope that Lyudochka is back, reading vulgar nastiness and claims is simply disgusting. I really hope that Lyudochka will return soon and we will figure out how to put the recipe in order.

I'm already just terribly ashamed that in her absence this is happening here

this is a "girl forum"

it's not interesting to wade through the "crazy professor's experiments" to kill tea.

Ok, continue to "whirl" with ten or fifteen girls and languish in languid "not a step to the side" and further. So it's time to leave this "local" forum. It's a pity, of course, but I don't know how to breed mi bears, it's a woman's destiny. All the best!

[Yuri K]

Yuri K, create your own recipe and conduct your experiments and observations in it!

I like this particular Ludin's recipe, another recipe, with a different preparation and taste of tea I have, as well as developments with other parameters. As soon as there is time, I will draw up my recipes and support with two years of experience! So leave your conjectures that we are allegedly marking time.

I do not know how to breed mi bears, this is a woman's destiny.

The absence of vulgar jokes that annoy most of the readers of this recipe, you call it mi target ??!

For me, it doesn't matter what gender you are, but if you don't know how not to slip into vulgarity and have a constructive conversation, then there's nothing to go into this topic. Go to men's forums, no one keeps here and you will not miss the touchy vulgar.

I have no time for squabbles and I will not paint you with quotes.

One went joking, the other supported and away we go.
No constructive conversation - no interlocutors.

Go to men's forums, no one keeps here and you will not miss the touchy vulgar.
No constructive conversation - no interlocutors.

Sometimes it doesn't hurt to follow the language, personally from me there have not been any vulgar jokes yet.

The absence of vulgar jokes that annoy most of the readers of this recipe, you call it mi target ??!

It was not about that, because of the feminine logic you wanted to focus on this.

I voiced the opinion of many participants in this topic.

Your will is to listen, return to a constructive conversation, or get offended like a cute girl.

go into offense, like a cute girl.

: lol: argumeeent, nothing to oppose. Unless, you, and maybe many () just perceive constructive conversations as:

the "crazy professor's experiments" to kill tea. Almost everyone who does not make according to the recipe produces a tea that I would never have made for myself, because I know for sure that it will not taste good to me.

For sim, let me take my leave, I went in without having to unsubscribe, notifications are sent to the mail

From men in this topic, no one expects mimicry, lisping, curtsies, or whatever else you mean by "female destiny."

Write on the topic, within this recipe, if you want a constructive conversation.

Hospadya ... don't talk about burnt crusts here! In this recipe, all your experiments are perceived exactly as the works of a crazy professor! The recipe is different.

Well, make your own recipe and write whatever you want there.

Girls who still look at this recipe cannot continue this way. As Luda returns, it seems to me that it is necessary to separate the recipe from the discussion. And then it's just some kind of swara. All offended, poor "girls", unappreciated and unheard.

Lena Kadieva, I'm sorry, I did not justify! I was not enough for a peacekeeping mission, they got me too.

Hello! I made tea last year, barely had time. I liked it very much. I liked the recipe - everything is clear and clear! I do not understand why deviate from him? For experimentation? Fine! But these are your experiments. I believe that the recipe should be followed strictly. This year, in the winter, I began to study the materiel again, started a notebook and wrote out everything that interests me, because it is impossible to read and evaluate everything in a week.I have a huge "experience" yours, my dears! 3 more friends of mine will be making tea! Thanks a lot, everyone!!!

[Tricia]

Tricia, Nastenka!

Lena Kadieva, I'm sorry, I did not justify! I was not enough for a peacekeeping mission, they got me too.

I support you completely ... I have been reading for a day and am surprised and indignant at a lot ... just unfortunately there was no time to write, but I would never have succeeded like you, correctly and intelligibly!
And the last couple of days - this is generally out of the ordinary!

Yuri K, do not be so categorically!

For sim, let me take my leave

In my opinion, you somehow independently took the "blow" on yourself.
All the Newcomers have questions, and the Girls found time and answered them, despite the fact that each of them has their own topics, and their own "affairs" in other topics, and indeed real Life besides the Forum. And the answer is those who have already (sorry) "ate the dog" while preparing Tea. And here is ...

By the way, Yuri, why are you breastfeeding the embrasures - you have no Ivan tea yet. Or do you prepare the soil in advance?

Or do you prepare the soil in advance?

And I somehow do not have time to associate topics with a particular branch, notifications come in the mail, I go through them. Actually, I just thought that in the branch of "garden and wild" I am at the time of the answer to the hostile message from you to all newcomers. I did not pay attention to the highly specialized topic of fireweed. Well, when you began to shoot insults - it was not at all up to the name of the topic.

In my opinion, you somehow independently took the "blow" on yourself.

There is such a thing, because I am a beginner and I identify myself, the first season I got carried away with tea ... I do not consider several batches made to be an achievement)

I did not pay attention to the highly specialized topic of fireweed

ABOUT!
Peace-friendship-tea?

Peace-friendship-tea?

You can try ... And tea with sugar?

No, with kozinaki!
Or honey.
Ivanushka should be without sugar, so as not to beat off the taste and smell.

[Borisyonok]

Ivanushka should be without sugar, so as not to beat off the taste and smell.

But I still don't have it The fact that Elena Borisyonok, presented, scattered in one fell swoop, and there were a lot. So sho my "Village" I can even with sugar




By the way, honey doesn't interrupt Ivashka? It has its own strong aroma and taste (honey, that is)

Girls who still look at this recipe cannot continue this way. As Luda returns, it seems to me that it is necessary to separate the recipe from the discussion

Nastya, I fully support everything I wrote, just to separate the recipe from the discussion .... here is so much valuable experience in the discussions! Last winter I read everything and made notes of interesting points. The recipe itself seems to be separated on the first page. So, beginners don't need to read much, just study the first page and answer all the questions that arise on it. But you want to gallop across Europe .... In the beginning, I myself made a bunch of mistakes and learned from others. And here newcomers often come, after reading information on the Internet and a dispute begins. We are talking about the recipe, and they are talking about what they typed on the side. And the topic is a specific recipe!

[Nadjusic, Nadya]

Nadjusic, Nadya, yes, difficult. For me, you need to track the last change - the comment that Lyuda introduced with a link to the recipe and from that moment on everything should be removed to another topic. Do not remove, but move and name Ivan-fermented tea, discussion or something else. And from the recipe itself, send all the experimenters to the Discussions, otherwise they muddy the waters, get confused themselves, confuse others, and they also bite us, trying to remind about the recipe itself!

Yuri, honey is not a cup, but a bite!

Girls, thank you ... I know you read everything, but don't write ... but Nastena came and dotted the i's, clever girl.
Luda is without light and communication, so this is her request to support the topic, this is her brainchild.
Lena the cat, Irina, Nastyusha, Lina, come on, eh? ... otherwise you can remember

Yuri, here are three people from the tea-makers left who come here and try to help ... the rest read, but do not write. And look, how many of us were there ... And only because it is really difficult for beginners to read, the same questions, even on the same page ... It's just a shame when a "debriefing" is written in several posts above, and then again the same question. Therefore it remains to send to the recipe. Last year, already through a PM and Viber with the girls made teas, a question-answer, it's easier than repeating the same thing, only Lyudochka is capable of this.

I generally propose to close the topic until Lyuda returns. Since Lyudmila painted and chewed, there is nowhere on the network, and if someone is too lazy to read, then you just need to close the topic, there will immediately be an incentive to read. Stop littering the forum. On my own behalf, I will make an appeal to the administration about closing tea topics. Create your own themes and write what you want there, and tea themes are zasser ... don't

Hello! Help me please! I have been making tea for the second year! It seems that everything is clear (what questions can there be with such a recipe), but this year, when preparing for fermentation - scrolling through a meat grinder, the mass turns out to be very raw. Dried in fabric for 18 hours, temperature 23-24 degrees. I changed the fabric once. Fermented for the first time for 12 hours. Scrolled 2 times. It dried for a very long time in the oven. 150 g - 15 minutes 100 g - 2 hours. Drying in a pan. Now everything is the same. Scrolled on a large grate - juice flows. No granules. She ran away to work. What to do? Now I covered it with a damp cloth. Temp - 23 gr.

[Irina742]

Irina742, Well, anyway, raw materials are badly dried. So, it was necessary to swap the roll again and put it on the shelf in the refrigerator. I have two days and nights. To prevent fermentation from starting, I put it on the top shelf of the refrigerator.
Different weather - different humidity and raw materials and air. Once upon a time it is not necessary. Sometimes it is almost dry in the diaper, and sometimes you won't fade. I, however, mostly garden, but I think the rules are the same for Ivanushka

[Irina742]

I agree with Radushka.
In a rainy summer, it dried up for several days, and the fabric was changed several times.
Irina742, clenched in a fist? Have you checked the vein for crunching?

I checked the vein and in the cam. She also decided that she was underwhelmed. Now I am sure of this, after your answers. Thank you so much! The season has just opened! Everything is ahead! I want to scroll again in the evening before drying. It seems to me that Radushka did that.
Thanks again! You are so nice and helpful! I wanted to put my hands down, but now I probably won't !!!!



I wanted to go to the refrigerator, but I was scared of something. Well, this is an experience!

separate the recipe from the discussion

Nastyush, I agree with you. You do not need to delete posts at all, but move them to the topic of discussion of a specific recipe. Although the Tea Gazebo was originally intended for this, but now everything is mixed there ... the discussion of the recipe is no longer there.
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About sending Ivan-tea roots, if you will.
Sphagnum moss to help you. It keeps moisture for a very long time. Antiseptic, so long-term shipment of the rastyu wrapped in it is safe for them, no rot. It grows almost everywhere in the Ivan-tea growth zone, at the worst it is sold dry in flower shops.
Soak for 30 minutes (dry for a day), squeeze well so that the water does not flow, wrap the roots with moss and then polyethylene, then pack in paper and the whole sack is still in PET. package, and off you go.
In this way, delicate orchids are sent, which are much more prone to decay than fireweed. So for our pet, such a trip will not be difficult. It will also sprout along the way)))

[Natalo4-ka]

Natalo4-ka, My joy! Has answered the call of the Chief Mother ?!
Irina742, don't be afraid of anything! Ivan tea is generally difficult to spoil.

In our market people sell different medicinal plants: chamomile, thyme, mint, St. John's wort, etc. And today a man was selling fireweed, tied in bouquets, one UAH 5. I bought two, brought it home, but since the man stood in the sun until lunchtime, the leaves of the fireweed are rather dry.So you don't need to wither them? Can I put it in the refrigerator? Or tea from dried leaves will no longer work?

[Eugene]

Eugene, Evgeniya, it will turn out. I did it from dried up (from a package with rhizomes) and from completely dry ones. As Lenochka Kadieva says - Ivan tea is difficult to spoil

[Eugene]

Eugene, I wonder how much tea do you plan to prepare from two bouquets? If you carefully read the topic, then the raw material should be at least 1-1.5 kg.



And, if less, then I would not bother. Well, if you just add something else and make a mix.

I have withered currant and raspberry leaves in my freezer, I want to add to them, but I don’t know if it is necessary to wilted fireweed, because it’s a little dry?

[Eugene]

Eugene, written in the recipe, which leaves are considered withered.
Make a mix, but raspberries and currants do not hold granules.

[Eugene]

Eugene, with currants and raspberries, the granules will crumble. Ivanushka will not "pull" them. If the leaves are dry, they already, a priori, cannot wither. Strawberry or apple leaves should be mixed and it will be great!

[Radushka]

Radushka, and plums do a poor job with this task?

I have withered currant and raspberry leaves in my freezer, I want to add to them, but I don’t know if it is necessary to wilted fireweed, because it’s a little dry?

Squeeze the sheet in your fist, if it does not straighten, you do not need to wither. If you need to straighten. Overdried breaks.

Well, if the granules are so important. For example, I still eat them or they crumble, then I add more flowers for the beauty of flowers, and most importantly, all the taste. Now, if you really like the mix, but the granules don't come out in any way, what to do? The right thing to do is to do as it is and enjoy the result.

[Yuri K]

Yuri K, my relationship with the plum did not work out. The plum roofing felts did not fit, or I did something wrong. The husband said - Do not fool your head! Normal tea! and drank. And to me she is a fish-fish. I had Wrenclode, if that. I take thorny plums into my mixes. But I don’t know how she will behave in larger numbers. And it granulates well, if that

The right thing to do is to do as it is and enjoy the result.

That's right! But, if Ivanushka is not enough, then I would have made a cut mix (I shook it well, twisted it, cut it, condensed it and under oppression)

The leaves straighten when squeezed, which means I will wither. I'll go to the dacha for strawberry and apple leaves, but I won't be able to do it tomorrow, except maybe on Thursday or Friday.

Consult an amateur! Jasmine, which is a bush, is it "jasmine tea" from it? If so, how is it prepared?