055dima
Quote: Zakan


Water + kefir - 390 ml

Quote: Zakan


Coffee - 2 tsp

Water + kefir equally so that the total is 390 ml?
What kind of coffee? Has the meaning ?
Soluble?
Zakan
I made 150 ml of kefir and 240 ml of water, but I think 50 to 50 is also good. And I took natural coffee, I don't like instant coffee
055dima
Zakan,

Ok. Thank you.
Zakan
Ray-Svetik
Hello forum users !!! Sorry for the long absence !!!! I miss you !!! Khlebushek river regularly, everything is wonderful, the form is not always happy, but the quality is more important to me !!!! And it always makes me happy! Today I want to try French bread, but there is no recipe, maybe someone shared my experience! I'm waiting!
Ashdod
Bread maker Sauter 106401

250 grams of black non-alcoholic beer (in Israel "Malta")
Contains barley malt and hops

120 grams of water
2 tsp salt
1 tbsp. l. Sahara
1 pack of baking powder (10 grams)
2 tablespoons of vegetable oil
200 grams of white wheat flour
210 grams whole grain flour
100 grams of rye flour
2 tsp yeast
Whole grain bread program
zeev
Good morning.

A couple of days ago we bought this bread maker, and last night I tried to bake white bread (1000g - according to the P1 program).
The result is a flat, porous block of sticky bread.
Seemed to follow the instructions, but mistakenly used a regular tablespoon (not the plastic one from the kit) and lifted the lid a couple of times (curiosity ...).

I would be very grateful for your recommendations ...
Ashdod
What yeast did you use?

How was flour and water measured?

And there is not enough water, you need to take at least 360 ml, and the recipe says 320 ml.
zeev
I will follow your advice and add more water.
In addition, everything is according to the instructions (except for powdered milk - I did not find it in Tiv-Taam).
Flour (600 gr.):
Bread maker Sauter 106401
Yeast (one teaspoon):
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Thanks for the advice.
zeev
Oops ...
zeev
Homework was done according to the attached instructions for baking (1000g.) White bread.
Well, I added more water and the result after 3:45 hours is about the same as the first time:
The bread hasn't risen and is a little sticky but tasty with a crispy crust.
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Where did I go wrong?
Ashdod
I buy flour specifically for bread, here at the beginning of the discussion there are pictures of the company Sugat 2+, although I was told that it should work with ordinary flour. But I do not risk completely taking ordinary flour - I take half and half.

Powdered milk also did not find I can do without it.
I have not seen such yeast as you have, I buy a red pack - written by BRAVO or by A-namal - the name עולה עולה (inside 3 sachets of 11 grams). Of course, the price is not very profitable, but more reliable.
Where do you store yeast? I was advised to cover them well and keep them in the refrigerator.

For water and flour, I use a scale, salt, yeast and sugar - a measuring spoon, vegetable oil - a regular table.

Now the laying of food - water temperature of 27 degrees (if cold or hot bread may not work), then butter, then salt and sugar, flour, make a depression in the flour, like a hole and pour yeast there at the end.
Ashdod
By the way, are you sifting flour?

I bought an interesting thing, very convenient

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Bread maker Sauter 106401
Ashdod
Perhaps the problem is in the HP itself, something with the temperature regime.
If it does not work out again, I think it is necessary to take it to the next tahanat shirut (advice from my husband, his colleague is repairing these HPs).
Ashdod
And what is written on the yeast pack?

Can they be mixed with flour or do they need to be activated first?
zeev
Thank you very much for the consultation

On dry yeast, nothing is written about preliminary activation (of the object), I press a hole in the flour with my finger and fill in one measuring spoon.

I thought that the problem is in the absence of milk powder, as I already wrote, I did not find it, and also
would prefer without (Lactose ...).

I sift the flour, use water of about 27 degrees (I have not purchased a thermometer yet).
In principle, no differences from what you described.
Quote: Ashdod
But I do not risk completely taking ordinary flour - I take half and half.
What does “take half and half” mean?

By the way, have Natatenya shows the dough in the initial phase:
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and already rising
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And for me the whole process ends with bread with the appearance of the initial phase, and
internal view does not match ...
Ashdod
say if you need 600 grams of flour, then I take 300 grams of flour for bread and 300 grams of ordinary flour.

Try increasing the amount of yeast a little, let it be 1.5 tsp.
Newbie
Change yeast.
What recipe do you bake?
Take a proven recipe from the forum.
And a teaspoon of dry yeast per 600 grams is not enough.
zeev
O ... ops,
And I stupidly fell asleep 600g. ordinary flour (the instructions say קמח לבן) ...
What does white bread flour look like, קמח תופח?

Quote: Ashdod

By the way, are you sifting flour?

I bought an interesting thing, very convenient

Bread maker Sauter 106401

Bread maker Sauter 106401
Where did you buy it?
Ashdod
Recently, my bread does not rise too well, I have already changed the yeast, maybe because of the heat in the apartment.
Previously, my bread directly propped up the lid, even stuck to it, but now it’s not so, of course it rises, but not that ...
zeev
Quote: Newbie

Change yeast.
What recipe do you bake?
Take a proven recipe from the forum.
And a teaspoon of dry yeast per 600 grams is not enough.
I use the recipe from the instructions for the Sauter 106401 bread maker ...
Ashdod
Quote: Ulysses

No, flour is not ordinary. Stibel flour number 2 is exactly for bread, high hardness, that is, with a high protein content. Or Sugat is also just for bread.
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Ashdod
Flour is not cheap, in different networks 7-8 nis.

I still take 3+ (dark wheat), 6+ (whole grain), 7+ (rye)
Ashdod
I made a mixture of whole grain and white flour with 1.5 teaspoon of yeast per 750 grams, and white flour is still easier to rise, so 1 tsp. this is normal, well, you can take 1.5 tsp for the experiment, but no more.
Ashdod
I accidentally bought this thing for sifting flour in a small shop (20 NIS), I was looking for a regular sieve.
Ashdod
By the way, there should be instructions on a pack of yeast, usually they write there how much yeast goes for 500 grams of flour.
zeev
Quote: Ashdod

Recently, my bread does not rise too well, I have already changed the yeast, maybe because of the heat in the apartment.
Previously, my bread directly propped up the lid, even stuck to it, but now it’s not so, of course it rises, but not that ...
Maybe you should call שירות אלקטרה, I already had time to consult with their technician (his name is ולדי שקולניק).
Ashdod
Quote: Ashdod


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Not very high and crooked, I was told that most likely there was not enough liquid, although I did it according to the instructions.

here is my first bread - I was told that there is not enough liquid (320 from the instructions), but the yeast, in my opinion, worked well for only 1 tsp.

Milk 170 ml,
Water 150 ml
Oil (sunflower or other) 2 tbsp. l
Salt 1 tsp l
Sugar 1.5 tbsp. l
Bread flour 600 g.
Dry yeast 1 tsp
zeev
Quote: Ashdod

I accidentally bought this thing for sifting flour in a small shop (20 NIS), I was looking for a regular sieve.
Yesterday I saw one in ACE (ראשון) for 100 sh. ...
Ashdod
Ashdod
for 100 NIS can be of better quality, my friend bought it in the north for 60 NIS with some little thing in the set.
zeev
Understood - torment שטיבל 2.
Is it just white flour, not whole flour (קמח מלא)?
Ashdod
Kemakh lechem, I have already put the picture. I just wrote this recipe for friends from the former USSR.
zeev
I am a little slow at typing as I use 🔗 (and then transfer to the forum) ...
Ashdod
Don't have a Russian keyboard? This is inconvenient, of course.

there is also a website
Ashdod
Quote: Natatenya

on the girls' forum, I read that it was necessary to expose the spatulas in a certain way, I also experimented, little worked, but the best result was in this position.
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Try it, write about the result.

I also put my shoulder blades like that.
Ashdod
Quote: zeev

Understood - torment שטיבל 2.
Is it just white flour, not whole flour (קמח מלא)?

קמח חיטה מלא - whole grain flour 6+
קמח שיפון מלא - rye flour 7+

Firm Sugat, but another firm is possible, I bought whole flour from Maimon (which you have yeast), which is also not bad.
zeev
I understood everything, I will master ...
Ashdod
My husband and I analyzed your problem, try a different yeast.

If the dough does not rise with new yeast, it makes sense to bring it for repair, they put a thermometer inside there to check the temperature in different modes, and the tension of the belt that connects the shoulder blades.
zeev
Or maybe just return and buy in another place, after the purchase has passed only one week (and you can return up to 14 days after purchase)?
Ashdod
Hopefully the packaging has survived?

Try calling the store and explaining the situation.
Maybe they will make an exchange for another stove of the same company.

zeev
I shall do so ...
I hope I haven't put too much pressure on you today ...
Ashdod
Have you tried another oven?

Another friend told me that in the last two months the bread stopped rising as before, probably this is due to the heat.
zeev
Good evening,

I just can't find the whole list of products ...
A couple of hours ago I was in the "מגה נס ציונה", but unfortunately there was no flour "שטיבל 2" and no yeast "נמל" ...
In "טיב טעם" there is flour but not yeast ..., reminds the Union of the 70s ...

Tomorrow I'll check in "שופר סל" near work.
Ashdod
I bought both at Yanot Beitan.

Ashdod
I already began to doubt that the problem was in flour and yeast, another friend called and said that the bread rises by a third less than usual.
zeev
Good evening,

So so ...
Firstly, I'm a typical m ... (man, not what you thought ...) - read the instructions diagonally ...
And it clearly says: קמח ללחם לבן, not just קמח לבן (which I used) ...
I bought נמל yeast at יינות ביתן, and flour סוגת שטיבל +2 at שופר סל.
The dough seems to have risen, I will see it in an hour and a half and report the results ...

zeev
Oops ...
Ashdod
It’s even interesting if there will be a difference from the previous experience.

Many people use ordinary flour and are satisfied.

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