Iron with steam generator

Girls, do not quarrel! Everything about ironing is very individual. Someone needs to iron the bed linen up to sharp arrows, and someone does not iron it at all and is happy with a steam brush! I very much wish everyone who chooses that your expectations coincide with the capabilities of the steam station!

[Bosch TDI903231A Sensixx'x DI90]

I looked after myself just such a model of a new iron with a built-in steam generator Bosch TDI903231A Sensixx'x DI90

Here is a commercial about him

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Maybe someone already has one. Respond !!!!! The price is not cheap, so I would not want to buy based only on advertising

And here's another model Bosch sensixx'x DA70 TextileProtect TDA703021T earlier model, cheaper. It has slightly less water tank and power, less weight and slightly less steam boost.

And I found (while looking closely) Mie Compatto. Confused by the price - 12 thousand. And a small number of reviews. Although the video seems to be easy and simple. Here you have an iron, a steamer, and an ironing board.
And it is very compact, which is a significant indicator for apartments.


Ladies, who say what? Especially those who already have something similar.

Wow, what a cool thing and compact for our apartments! I'll take a closer look at her too

Good afternoon, owners of steam irons! Your advice is very necessary. I choose such an iron, read the characteristics and cannot understand, most steam generators lack self-cleaning, anti-scale, anti-drip protection, hmm, are these "unimportant" functions in the steam generator? How do you fight scale?

[lala2]

lala2, I have a very budget iron with a steam generator, for a long time, probably about 7 years. Without any additional characteristics, simple. It works fine, only the steam hose from the iron to the steam generator tank was changed. But there were no problems with this, all spare parts are sold.
Buy yourself a water purification jug with specials. descaling cartridge and pour water from there into the tank. This is from scale formation. Then you won't need to clean anything.
In order not to drip, it is necessary to correctly, according to the instructions, set the ratio of the temperature of the iron and the level of steam supply.
Something like that ...

[Taia]

I join Taia, for many years I have been pouring filtered water and there is no scale.
About the drops. I had a Metalnova steam generator ( 🔗). I suffered for several years, left the board, and bought another iron. If you pour water into the tank and use it from beginning to end, constantly ironing, then it does not spit, but it is worth leaving it for 10-15 minutes and before ironing it had to be "blown" over a rag, water came out, which stagnated in the hose. Now I have Tefal ( 🔗). It has a completely different steam supply system, so even if it is idle for 15-20-30 minutes, it will not spit.

Hello,

no self-cleaning functions

I bought my iron around November last year (thanks to the site), after a couple of months I decided to check whether there is scale or not. There was no hint of scale at all. Iron bosh 22 series. I use bottled water.

anti-drip protection

In principle, I do not have this problem, but I agree that it is necessary to set the correct temperature ratio and steam supply level. I have steam at 2, and iron at 3. Economy mode. In general, I am delighted with this iron, so I have only positive emotions and ironing is only a joy.

Girls! Does anyone have this: Philips GC 6602/20 steam station?

Or this: Philips GC 430/05 steam generator steamer?

[lala2]

lala2, I have a filter in the steam generator, I pour water from the tap, the filter lasts for a long time, after 2 years of work I changed it myself, I did not ask for an iron

I read the reviews and decided that I would take a professional steam generator (in addition, I compared it from two girlfriends: one had beautiful plastic, the other had a reliable one like the Sovdep). Prompt also a professional steam cleaner. Is it better to take Karcher?

Looking at legit pg-24, but the price with all the attachments of course wow 🔗

We use filtered and boiled water for the iron. Scale the iron periodically spits. And recently I decided to clean it with a citric acid solution - so much dirt came out

[Anchic]

Anchichow did you clean? Please share the subtleties.

[Taia]

Taia, but not difficult. Diluted citric acid in warm water (to make it easier to dissolve). I poured it into a hot iron and maximum steam. I pressed the self-cleaning button - at the same time the strongest jet of steam comes out. And you also need to have a rag nearby, which has been soaked in the same citric acid solution. I wipe the dripping mud from the sole. Just a dry cloth does not wipe, it is fried. The citric acid concentration is taken from the instructions for the humidifier: 3 teaspoons per 200 ml of water.

Clear. I do that too. I just thought maybe I missed something, some subtleties. Thank you.

Yes, not at all. It's just that they have already begun to think about buying distilled water for the iron. And then this bad thing (iron) has been spitting on white things lately. Especially at the end of ironing the item.

Distilled water is expensive. I have a jug for this purpose. I pour water from it into a coffee maker, a kettle, and so into a steam generator.

We have a barrier, a cartridge for hard water. In the kettle, for a week after changing the cartridge, scale does not appear on the walls. For the iron, we use water after filtration in a barrier, boiling and settling (we pour from the kettle into a ladle and there it waits for its turn to use). And still, a lot has accumulated in the iron over a couple of years.

I read the reviews and decided that I would take a professional steam generator (in addition, I compared it from two girlfriends: one had beautiful plastic, the other had a reliable one like the Sovdep). Prompt also a professional steam cleaner. Is it better to take Karcher?

Hello, I am engaged in a VIP wardrobe for work. Experience in dry cleaning. As for the video, it's not serious, at least .. I didn't even finish watching it. I especially liked the moment - I had to iron my jacket, took off the generator and rushed with it to another room. Isn't it easier to bring a jacket and quickly refresh it vertically? Trousers are just a "song" ... If anyone does not know, I will say that in trousers the wrinkled part is not the knees, but in the area of ​​the crotch seam. And if the owner of the trousers is also well-fed, then the belt and bodice. Ironing begins with them without fail. For ironing a T-shirt, shoot ..
I advise you to take professional irons with steam generators. Look head towards Italy. ALWAYS with an attachment for the soleplate. Better not a film, but aluminum with spraying. Very quick and easy to put on.
I have a Swiss steam system at work. Of course it is very expensive and I will not advise you.
About the water. If you have budget household irons, then fill in hot water from the mains. Anti-scale reagents have already been added to it.

Girls, I will soon join you))), we ordered a steam cleaner complete with an interactive whiteboard and an iron - the Körcher ironing system, today we were unsubscribed that our order was sent to the courier service Soon, soon the house will begin to shine and we will walk ironed-ironed

[962Julia]

962Julia, and where are anti-scale agents added to hot water? Our hot water is obtained by heating cold water in a heat exchanger, which is installed in the basement of the house. That is, a hot water outlet from the cold water pipe. And before the installation of this heat exchanger, our hot water was of such quality that not only we would not have dared to pour it into the iron, we did not use it at all - it was black and smelly.

[962Julia]

962Julia, and where are anti-scale agents added to hot water? Our hot water is obtained by heating cold water in a heat exchanger, which is installed in the basement of the house. That is, a hot water outlet from the cold water pipe.And before the installation of this heat exchanger, our hot water was of such quality that not only we would not have dared to pour it into the iron, we did not use it at all - it was black and smelly.

I live in a high-rise building in Moscow, our networks are in good condition. In your case, only anti-scale rods or filters in the generator will help. Water for irons-divorce. Placebo. Unfortunately.

[962Julia]

962Julia, but distilled water won't help? Or is the water for the irons distilled?

I have to deal with very expensive things at work, so I had to learn this. So that the nervous tic from a few thousand dollar suits and the like doesn't happen. Therefore, she studied in dry cleaning and in special courses. I remember very well what they said there that bottled water does not help. Moreover, in our country you never know what, specifically, they "put on" there ... Simply, if you iron rarely and a little, then scale in the iron does not form soon. Even if the iron is the simplest, look for a removable sole. In dry cleaning, this protection is never removed at all, all irons are with it. About professional irons with a steam generator - do not be afraid of them. Believe me, they are simpler and easier to work with than plastic household ones. I will say that when I came to work at the dry cleaner, the ironers told me that after the steam generator they could no longer work with a household iron. I didn't understand it then. But now ... it's very clear. When my ironing system went to be repaired for a couple of days, I had a "tragedy" .. And another piece of advice, if you will, do not buy plastic household irons with a steam generator, they are weak. They are of little use. The boiler must be metal. There is also a strong vapor pressure. What kind of plastic? Moreover, with removable containers. A simple iron is simpler, at least it takes up little space. Here's gone .... I'm silent with my advice. Happy shopping to everyone and quick easy ironing.

[962Julia]

962Julia, thanks for the advice! Very useful information. I don't have a steam generator, I have a simple iron. But for a couple of years, scale has accumulated in it - horror. Although the water is after filtration (the filter is for hard water), boiling and settling. And all the same, scale builds up over time. So I thought - maybe distilled water will save me. But really - I'm not sure that there will be distilled water.

[Tefal Pro Express Total GV8961]

And another piece of advice, if I may, do not buy household plastic irons with a steam generator, they are weak. They are of little use. The boiler must be metal. There is also a strong vapor pressure. What kind of plastic? Moreover, with removable containers.

Can you give more details?
I just have experience of using and Tefal Pro Express Total GV8961( 🔗), and ironing system Metalnova Duetto Plus( 🔗). As a result, the Metalnova iron and boiler had to be removed and put in the far corner, because it began to spit mercilessly. I already wrote above that if you fill the tank and use it without interruption until the tank is empty, then everything is fine, but as soon as it was left for 10-15 minutes and tryndets started to spit. And a couple of times he gave me such spits for no reason, no reason at all on silk things, which I had already finally ironed after sewing. I had to wash them and iron them again. He served me for about 5 years. I changed it to Tefal. I have been using it mercilessly for a little over a year. I am very satisfied. And in comparison with Metallova, it is more powerful, smoothes and steams easier. the mountain heats up aaaazdo faster, I can add water in the process, and not wait as before, first the air is about a little bit off, wait until it cools down a little, then you can only pour water and wait again until it heats up. I hate breaks like this. Does it make sense to buy such semi-professional systems for household needs?

About the water. If you have budget household irons, then fill in hot water from the mains. Anti-scale reagents have already been added to it.

Well, yes ... And then the water will evaporate, and the reagents will remain in the iron.)) And this is not scale, you cannot dissolve it back with acid.

Why not pour water from the osmosis filter? I don't have that, so I adapted the dehumidifier. Or an air conditioner.He distills and is distillation ... Only once every few years, the iron should be allowed to rest on a rag, some gray dirt still pops up. ((

Anti-scale reagents-reagents that prevent the formation of scale. That is, scale does not form and does not settle. The purpose of these reagents is to protect the DHW pipes from scale.

Well, yes ... And then the water will evaporate, and the reagents will remain in the iron.)) And this is not scale, you cannot dissolve it back with acid.

Why not pour water from the osmosis filter? I don't have that, so I adapted the dehumidifier. Or an air conditioner. He distills and is distillation ... Only once every few years the iron should be allowed to rest on a rag, some gray dirt still pops up. ((

Limescale is not easy "spattered" spoiled things, it is, first of all, a loss of power of the iron. They are already "gluttons", but with heating elements covered with scale "gluttons" are doubly.
Girls you can buy what you want and put in whatever irons you want. This is your own business. I just told how professionals work with it. You decide. I will not argue and prove anything.
And the word "professional" iron should not scare you. They are very light (literally and figuratively) and not as expensive as you think. And safer than plastic ones.
And in order not to pour the boiler too often, just select a larger volume.
By the way, an iron with a steam generator does more than iron. It knocks out odors well (sweat, tobacco, perfume), and like cashmere and wool, they perfectly respond to a powerful stream. Fast, easy, without touching - from a distance.
Once again, goodbye to everyone. Good luck.

[does not dry out]

Anti-scale reagents-reagents that prevent the formation of scale. That is, scale does not form and does not settle. The purpose of these reagents is to protect the DHW pipes from scale.

Everything is correct. But water with these reagents either circulates or is poured somewhere, right? A does not dry out, leaving behind all the substances dissolved in it in a dry form. I mean it. )

The boiler never dries up argument does not work - concentration cannot rise indefinitely.

The boiler is washed without fail, even very expensive models. This is a mandatory procedure. By the way, it is not difficult at all, especially for expensive models.

A! This changes things! That is, they poured water, partially used it (especially not to the end), then the residues were necessarily drained and the heater washed? So this is a completely different matter!))

Only then it should be mentioned that this method is not suitable for ordinary irons until people start pouring warm water into some standard Phillips or Roventa.

Do not leave water in the irons. The water in the boiler is used up to the end. It is washed with clean water after the time specified for this model. It is better to add hot water from the hot water tap to the irons. Reagents do not remain in the iron. Do not confuse them with reagents that are sprinkled on roads. Even after so-called distilled water, scale remains. Experiments were carried out. Believe it or not. After the hot water, there will also be scale, just not so quickly. If the scale has already formed, the iron will never "spit out". He will always do it. Want to mess things up?
I say it again. I offered everyone the best option. Whether you want to use it or not. ALL!!

It is better to add hot water from the hot water tap to the irons. Reagents do not remain in the iron Do not confuse them with reagents that are sprinkled on roads

Well, tell us them, reagents, chemical formula. Or at least a technical name. Then it will be an adult subject conversation with respectable arguments.

And about the distillate scale ... This is probably for the British scientists?

[Bijou]

Bijou, Lena, this is actually the case - water for heating and hot water supply is passed through special filters, where hardness salts are replaced (Ca (HCO₃)₂; Mg (НСО₃)₂) to sodium from the cation exchanger. Easily soluble salts are formed. There will be no sediment in the iron from such water.But it must be borne in mind that open hot water supply systems, where softened water is supplied to the consumer, are rarely used. Mostly closed water supply systems are used, and the consumer is supplied with non-softened water. That is, there will be sediment in the iron.
In this situation, it is still better to use water from reverse osmosis, this water is almost completely demineralized or, in the absence of osmosis, boiled.

The distillate is, yes, completely demineralized. You're right!

And more, girls ...
Household filter jug ​​does not remove hardness salts !!! It retains mechanical impurities. Why, then, does Tai not have such a phenomenon as Anchik - water in different areas has initially different indicators of hardness.
All the same, or reverse osmosis or distillate or boiled water. By the way, after pouring boiled water into the iron, neither in Gorlovka nor in the Moscow region irons spit with scale ...

Mostly closed water supply systems are used, and the consumer is supplied with non-softened water. That is, there will be sediment in the iron.

Bijou, Lena, this is actually the case - water for heating and hot water supply is passed through special filters, where hardness salts (Ca (HCO3) 2; Mg (HCO3) 2) are replaced with sodium from the cation exchanger. Easily soluble salts are formed.

Well, soda, right? As in a dishwasher or in an ion exchange column for private houses. I am not attached to whether they will be readily soluble or not. And to the fact that they are unlikely to go into steam, which means that in the bottom line there will still be something left. Not?

If initially the water in the area is hard, then boiling is never an option, alas. ((Even twice boiled, even three times ...

And more, girls ...
Household filter jug ​​does not remove hardness salts !!! It retains mechanical impurities.

Mmm ... We used shavers at one time. There were definitely resin balls. And they could be regenerated in the most classic way.)
At one time, too, I was carried away for lack of the best - I washed the new cassette many, many times with the same portion of water (you can't drink the first one anyway), then poured it into three-liter jars and hid it in a far corner - let it stand for at least several months. Because the traces of coal had to settle. And even then once every six months the iron spat black. But there was almost no scale. Well, or was, but several times less than after repeated boiling.

[Bijou]

Bijou, Lena, about boiling ... Excerpt from technical literature - "The thermal method of water softening is advisable in cases where the water is intended for powering steam boilers, evaporators and steam converters. When using this method, the source water is heated to 105-120 degrees, which is completely removes carbonate hardness. "Gee, you have to boil in a pressure cooker ...
Len, you are right about the dry residue.
Len, I kind of supported you and scientifically substantiated ...

Len, I kind of supported you and scientifically substantiated ...

So I didn’t run over ... It seems to be. Sorry if it seemed so.
I just want that if they have already begun to talk about something, then they would agree to the truth that everyone understands, and not "just to get the interlocutor away." )

About boiling. Now, if about a pressure cooker, I didn't think about that. Perhaps this is at least some way out.
I have the following experience.
About the fact that after the usual boiling in the iron there was scale - I have already said. That was a long time ago, that iron died long ago - I began to wash it off the scale with vinegar and it started to flow. In the new few years I pour condensate (distillate) from the air conditioner and there is no scale. But there is grayish dirt, such as dust, once captured by steam during condensation. If more or less regularly, at least once every six months, turn on "self-cleaning", then you can safely iron even white things.

And now about reducing the hardness by boiling. In addition to the fact that hardness is of two types, permanent and temporary, when boiling, not all salts from those who, in principle, know how to do this, precipitate out. (((We have a thermopot.If you pour water from the tap at once, then everything is overgrown with a crust in a couple of weeks and even the pump pumps with difficulty, a tiny trickle runs. We began to pre-boil water in a teapot and pour in already boiled water. Scale is still formed in large quantities, just its structure is slightly different - not a crust on all surfaces, but the finest suspension. Through 3-4 teapots already "milk" after pouring. Let it settle, drain the first muddy water and use it further. After a week or two, it is no longer possible to use it - there will be a solid "mule" in the thermal sweat, you need to unfasten, go rinse and start over.)

Likewise, cold boiled water poured into a jug - after a while its walls will be covered with limescale.
But it will be fragile and can be easily wiped off by hand. If you leave plain water in a jug for a long time, not boiled, then the plaque will be as quality as a shark skin - very tough, you can scratch yourself to blood, but not wipe it off.

[Ukka]

Ukkawe buy for cassette barrier. It is for hard water. And the scale in the teapot begins to appear about a week after changing the cassette. And the taste of the water changes a lot. I think that water is still softened with household filter jugs. But our water is really very hard. Only it is not local, but from the Vladimir region they led a pipe to us. And where is the water intake - I don't know.

[Bijou]

Bijou, Flax, I have not come across such liming, although the water in Gorlovka is of increased hardness - 13 μg. eq per liter ... What city are you from, I would look at the reference books, I think there are a lot of silicates in the water.
And here's an interesting article on scale formation.
🔗

What city are you from, I would look at the reference books, I think there are a lot of silicates in the water.

But how! We stand on that.
More precisely, we live. On the marl. Novorossiysk patamushta.

Non-carbonate hardness is due to other calcium and magnesium salts, which when heated, the water does not change chemically and remains dissolved. These hardness salts fall out only in the evaporation zone when their concentration exceeds the solubility limit. This group includes salts formed as a result of the interaction of Ca and Mg with strong acids (chlorides, sulfates, silicates, nitrates). Non-carbonate hardness is sometimes called permanent (residual) hardness.

Vooot ... And I mean that boiling does not remove everything. ((

[Lena]

Lena,, non-carbonate hardness will not give such scale deposits, the wrong concentration. These are silicates either alone or in combination. And I don’t know so deeply chemical water purification ... I know what I have come across.
Flax, you use the distillate correctly. In your case, the best option.

Ol, yeah. And to listen to people, they have such "well, very hard water" after about one.))
I have a photo of the results of the operation of our homemade water heating tank - when the heating element was turned on for 2-3 hours a day, for a couple of years, crusts attacked a large aluminum basin at the bottom. And when they typed a bath for the children in the garden in the summer, then after a couple of weeks it was no longer possible to sit in the water - he struck the wall with his elbow or knee and an abrasion to blood. (

And listen to people, so they have such "well, very hard water" after about one

Well, not to that extent, but white drops on the plumbing are constantly provided. After dancing with tambourines and boiling, pour distilled water into the station. Nerves are more expensive.

Girls, I received my parcel yesterday from Karcher, of course, at first I rushed to try the steam cleaner, but then, of course, my hands reached the ironing system, this is something, I'll tell you))), my husband even connected, for the first time in my life, to ironing , yesterday I taught him to iron T-shirts - he is so delighted, in my opinion, more than I am He, by the way, persuaded me to use the system, I didn’t want to, I said that my Boshevsky iron and Sovdep’s board are enough for me Now I feel the difference

Everything is relative. Long years to your assistant.
After buying a steam station, I did not have a problem ironing bed linen.It is now ironed in between times when preparing daily outfits.
By the way, now I understand that the stations without temperature and steam regulation are also doing their job safely. For the entire time of using mine, I once increased the temperature to 2 (when it was necessary to dry the belt of jeans that my husband urgently needed) and a couple of times increased the steam more than ECO (when the bedding was dry, although it would have been possible to iron without increasing the steam flow).

[Elena]

Elena, thanks for the kind words, I am slowly mastering, today I also felt the difference when ironing rather thick bed linen - the work is much easier