Regina V.
Who knows what reacted with what. Most likely, the enzymes in the product are aggressive when heated.
A couple of months ago I stupidly left Adrilan's puddle for the night in a stainless steel sink, and in the morning there was a completely black oxidized surface. I rubbed it with a metal brush to the metal again, but still a gray mark remained.
Jefry
Quote: Olchik86
Jefry, soooo, so you definitely need to buy silicone spatulas for ceramics. Thank you!
Will not help. Microcracks appear from uneven heating / cooling.

Olchik86
gala10, uh-huh! I will pull it out right away and rub it with a towel! I'll be generous for one frying pan :)
Jefry, well, you're just treacherous!

friends, and who washed the aluminum cauldrons? I certainly understand that there is a difference between a cauldron and a cauldron, but at least to estimate. They're not pure aluminum there. Some kind of alloy. And since such a kazanchik is already years old as me, probably, he probably did not suspect about his compatibility with the PMM :) I'm very used to it, but to wash it with pens ... ooh ... a whole cauldron ...
Jefry
The old sovetskiy luminium is wonderfully washed in PMM. My pair of pots and a frying pan are purely aluminum, an alloy cauldron. It really darkened, but it seemed like this was originally. At least not "smeared". But the modern "aluminum" in the form of a mincer from the combine will have to be washed with handles.
marinastom
I did not try to wash the old "Savets" silumin pans in a typewriter (I am afraid that they will lose their earned "anti-trigger" properties). Soap only covers from them. Blackened and blackness is hard to wipe off only with a metal washcloth. Old aluminum items can be washed perfectly.
And it's also a shame. There is the last Chinese earthenware vase, born in 75, with three drawings on the side. One, like new, two almost "washed away".
Julia V
Another Sovdepovsky 6-liter cauldron washes perfectly, without surface changes
Taia
In my Soviet era cauldrons and pans turned black. And a manual meat grinder from Soviet times too.
julifera
Quote: Jefry
Old sovetsky luminium is wonderfully washed in PMM

I washed the ancient luminous garlic press with Somat gel in PMM - it turned black, threw it away, but updated the park of devices for garlic - there was one, and now it is 4
Elena Tim
That's what I understand, APPROACH!
Elena Tim
I have long ago solved the problem of washing "easily corroded" dishes. A duralumin cauldron, an aluminum auger from a meat grinder, as well as teflon dishes for washing with a minimum amount of powder, but at a high temperature. Thus, the amount of the product is enough to wash away the grease, but not enough to "gobble" the surface. Look.
Olchik86
Elena Tim, mmmm .... boom try ...
Babushka
Quote: Jefry

In PMM, nothing is "erased". The impact is not mechanical, but chemical. So if there is even a microscopic crack in the coating (enamel, paint, Teflon, ceramics), the metal will "dissolve". With each subsequent wash, this process will go on increasing.
I have such neat little holes in the bottom of the American containers (Glade). True, after 6 years of washing in the dishwasher.
Olchik86
Babushka, and here it seems like they mentioned about heating fatty foods in plastic containers, that when heated, the fat damages the plastic (just you may have splash points), and then the PMM does its job of pre-destruction
Babushka
Olga, this is a dishwasher, because holes in the ass, which is up when washed .... I don’t heat fat in plastic.
Olchik86
Quote: Babushka
I don’t heat fat in plastic.
horror, isn't it? how do you think, what kind of chemical is there. reaction happens ...brrr! But men for some reason are not afraid ...
Babushka
Olga, I agree completely!
Jefry
Quote: Olchik86
horror, isn't it? how do you think, what kind of chemical is there. the reaction is happening ... brrr! But men for some reason are not afraid ...
In the washing machine exactly the same chemical. the reaction happens, and it's not scary! And there is nothing of the sort in using mainly dishes that can be washed in the PMM.
Olchik86
Jefry, with the only difference that we do not eat anything from the washing machine! And about the horror when a plastic container with food is placed in the microwave for heating. I'm talking about chem. reaction of food with hot plastic! Here!
Elena Tim
Plastic to plastic is different. If the container has an icon: a triangle with the number 5 and under it the letters PP or PP (polypropylene), then such a container can be used in a microwave oven, and it can also be washed in a dishwasher in very hot water. Polypropylene can withstand temperatures from -40 to + 110C. This, incidentally, also applies to other plastic dishes: colander and all sorts of bowls. If they do not have a special badge, then they should not come into contact with high temperatures. In such colanders, for example, you can wash fruits, but you cannot pour boiled pasta into them, etc. You just need to be careful and nothing terrible will happen.
Lucha
Girls, does anyone wash the hoods in the PMM? How resistant is aluminum? I use Finish.
Julia V
Soaps 2 times, like nothing terrible happened to them, a little faded like that.
Erhan
Lucha, for 10 years my constantly.
Elena Tim
Quote: Lucha

Girls, does anyone wash the hoods in the PMM? How resistant is aluminum? I use Finish.
I have been washing these grates in the dishwasher for nine years. I brightened a little after the first time, but the color did not change anymore. Mine at 70C with a decent amount of funds (otherwise they are not washed). But I have it. Because, in addition to a greasy coating, tobacco smoke also settles on them. It is unrealistic to wash it by hand. Therefore, to be honest, even if the grates after washing became in a gray-brownish speck, I would still wash in the car. Where to go!
Lucha
Thank you. And for so many years I have been with the Lord God and the entoy mother, everything with pens, pens. My husband kept saying, lowering aluminum, lowering ...
Diana
I also use the finish, besides fat, I also use tobacco smoke. Mine is already 9 years old, faded after the first time. But they are clean
Elena Tim
People, aluminum is different, as we have already found out here long ago. You never know what and how to behave. But, in any case, it darkens or brightens ... who climbs with a magnifying glass under the hood? In general, we tend to arrange difficulties and experiences for ourselves. I also washed these grates a couple of times at first with my hands and realized that my hands were dearer to me than some pieces of iron. And so - you spend whole days in the kitchen in the water while you cook, and then there is also washing! Yes, figs should be! Because of the lamps, you still can't see. In general, I persuaded myself to try them in the dishwasher and have never regretted it!
Lucha
Girls, then another question. How should the grates be positioned: simply in the compartment, like plates, or flat?
Elena Tim
Yes, no difference. I had every disposition and always washes normally.
Lucha
Thanks everyone for the help and advice.
How I love our bread maker
Diana
My grates are large and I put them upright under the wall, otherwise they will interfere with the spinning of those things, the cat. I do not know what they are called. And flat they take up too much space.
toffee
Diana, and those rotating things are called rocker arms. No offense.
Elena Tim
Yes, the main thing is to fit in. And there ... even standing, even lying ... even in the lotus position!
The only thing I never do is not wash the tableware with the hoods. I just collect all the personal belongings from the gas stove: well, grates, dividers, and all this stuff is mine together.
Bijou
I alone, chtol, just put the racks and trays on top of the plates?)))

Aluminum on hoods gradually decomposes and rinses off, as does everything else (including aluminum rivets on inexpensive pots).It's just that on alloys, a dark coating of other metals will remain on the surface, but not in purer aluminum. For the experiment, you can drop alkali (any means "for cleaning stoves and ovens" with sodium hydroxide) on a not very valuable frying pan and see how the aluminum begins to foam and turn 6.))
Elena Tim
Quote: Bijou
I alone, chtol, just put the racks and trays on top of the plates?)))
No, Lenus! Bother me, too, along with the dishes. But the grilles from the hood ... just after washing them in the car, the smell is not ice. It, of course, disappears with the next wash, and it seems that the plates don't smell if you wash them together with the grates ... But my fad is that if there is a smell from the car, it seems like something is wrong ... In short, not I know how to explain this phenomenon in my head. A point, and that's it!
Diana
iris. ka, I think that I do not know their names, because for ten years I have not had any problems with them (ugh, ugh, ugh), which I sincerely wish to all dishwasher owners!
Bijou
Quote: Elena Tim
But the grilles from the hood ... just after washing them in the car, the smell is not ice.
Oops ... I'll smell it somehow ... Thank you for what they said, I didn't seem to notice. ))
But to drive an entire big car behind two bars looks like a terrible waste.
Elena Tim
Duc, I’m saying that there are also bells and whistles from the stove. So, it is not so empty and it turns out.
Erhan
And if you also put the tray from the washing machine, then there will be a complete set.
lega
Erhan, that's a smart head! But I didn't think of it ...
gala10
Erhan, do you have a front-loading or top-loading washing machine? I have - with a vertical one, so washing this tray is a whole problem ...
Erhan
gala10, my washing machine is front loading.
Bijou
SchA I will shock you - the tray from the washing machine is garbage.)) I saw that in the dishes, children's pots and toilet lids were washed. I even keep quiet about ya6loki or potatoes.))
gala10
Quote: Bijou
SchA I will shock you - the tray from the washing machine is garbage.)) I saw that in the dishes, children's pots and toilet lids were washed. I even keep quiet about ya6loki or potatoes.))
Kill yourself with a broom ...
Aenta
Quote: Bijou
I saw that the pots and toilet lids were being washed in the dishes. I even keep quiet about ya6loki or potatoes.))

Elena Tim
Quote: Bijou

SchA I will shock you - the tray from the washing machine is garbage.)) I saw that in the dishes, children's pots and toilet lids were washed. I even keep quiet about ya6loki or potatoes.))
My mother, why should you collapse from what oak tree ... Although ... there are also such specimens that specifically wash off antibacterial dishwashing soap poorly, supposedly, "let arganizm also get rid of bacteria"! By God, I'm not lying! I saw it on TV!
Apparently, in the nearest "durka" there was an Open Day!
gala10
Bijou, happy, have you ever seen, now you won't have them, but if this is done without prying eyes ... yes, I will come to visit them ... oooooyyy ...
Olchik86
gala10, tada it is necessary to carry out a spy check! :) I saw the PMM in the kitchen and forward with leading questions: "How is the dishwasher? Pleases? and they say so many things, except dishes, can you wash, have you not heard?" )
gala10
Olchik86, this is an idea ... But they don't admit it !!!!
Olchik86
gala10, well, then there is only one thing left - to lick apples and potatoes! :) If salty and with bitterness, hands on feet and "Thank you, I'm full!")
Well, but seriously, the vegetables are probably washed in the rinse mode? I hope ...
gala10
In vain you hope: - Daughter, have you washed dried fruits for compote? - Of course, mommy, with soap ...

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