How to place dishes in the dishwasher

[Anastasiay]

Anastasiay, can I get in?
If you still choose, then be sure to have a beam and a 70-degree program, or else Simmons and Bosch call it "hygiene".
If the footage allows, then of course by 60 cm. I climbed only 45 cm and this is also happiness! In such a narrow half load, of course, you don't need it -;) but here I learned how to tamp my baby with dishes specifically. Small baking trays and pans up to two liters at the same time. Plus everything else such as plates, cups. It's amazing how much it can hold in such a modest size.
About the noise. If I put a 5-liter pan, a glass baking dish, that is, a dish with a large plane, then water beats against it and there is more noise. When these are all sorts of plates, small pots and pans, there is little noise.
When I turn on the additional mode "intensive", then at the bottom it washes more actively, stronger than the stream of water and, accordingly, noisier.
But to be honest, I enjoy this noise: she washes, and I read a book - :)
If you close the door to the kitchen, you cannot hear it at all under any circumstances.
Good luck with your choice !!!

But to be honest, I enjoy this noise: she washes, and I read a book - :)

Tell this to our Sect of Witnesses of the 7th Day of Washing with Mustard.

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[Kapet]

Kapet, and let them wash themselves with mustard, if they like it, the rest, what kind of sadness? If only this mustard is not poured into the machine thoughtlessly. And even then it is their business and their car, as they see fit, they will do so.

Kapet, and let them wash themselves with mustard, if they like it, what kind of sadness is there to the others? If only this mustard is not poured into the machine thoughtlessly. And even then it is their business and their car, as they see fit, they will do so.

Some try to pour ... Poor PMM ...

And you can also turn it on with a delayed start: let yourself start to wash yourself at 3 am - everyone is asleep, and the noise does not interfere.

Tell this to our sect "Witnesses of the 7th day of washing with mustard"

Come on, I myself matured for so long ... that I could not understand the joy of my friends from the multicooker, that it took a long time to reach the electric oven ...
Until you try and use it yourself ...

And now I have little electricity to turn on all the buttons on all units at the same time and be absolutely free

[Tanya-Fanya]

Tanya-Fanya,
It would be good not to confuse here - freedom for what, or freedom from what ...

It would be good not to confuse here - freedom for what, or freedom from what ...

And so and so wonderful. I also checked out such a thing.

If you still choose, then be sure to beam

Tatyana, thank you very much!
Could you please clarify about the beam on the floor? What's the point? Just an indicator that the dishwasher is working?

[Anastasiay]

Anastasiay, about the beam you understood correctly. This is an indicator that the machine is still running.
When you turn it on into the night, it’s not important to know at what stage it is.
But when you turn it on during the day or in fast mode, sometimes you need to know at what stage the car is and then this beam helps out. Because the car has separate stages when it is simply silent, does not rustle, but has not yet finished washing.
For example, at the very end when drying dishes. If there is no beam, she will quietly squeak at the end, you will not hear in another room, you will come to the kitchen - she is silent. Either dries, or has already finished, and you want to load the next batch of dishes.
I still do not understand how they write about another indicator - this is the screen on which the time is displayed.Yes, when we select the mode, you highlight the time, but we will not see the residual time, for example, on the washing machine, because the screen is in the closed door.
Anastasiay, if you still choose PMM, then pay attention that there is a washing mode at a temperature of 70 degrees. I missed this important point and regret it.
Good luck choosing a reliable assistant!

pay attention to the washing mode at a temperature of 70 degrees. I missed this important point and regret it.

Tatyana, thanks again for answering a bunch of my questions
I found the following function in the Flavia "EXTRA DRYING" dishwasher - additional drying not only guarantees perfectly dry dishes, but also sprinkles the dishes with hot water at 68-70 ° C, which provides additional disinfection of the dishes. Is that what you are talking about?

[Anastasiay]

Anastasiay, I'm talking about the wash mode !!! dishes at 70 degrees.

As in your version, I'm sorry, I don't know. At the first reading, I would explain that before drying the dishes are doused with hot 70 ° C water, which contributes to better drying.

Can anyone else know for sure?

Found a photo from Bosch "HygienePlus function. During the program, during the final rinse, the temperature of 70 ° C is maintained for about 10 minutes, which corresponds to the new European Union standards for professional washing and disinfecting devices"

Interestingly, this feature differs from Flavia's EXTRA DRYING. Who knows, tell me, please.
Was also on the site of Electrolux and Kandy, but somehow they do not have a separate description of the functions. And it takes a long time to discover the characteristics of each car. I opened a few, nothing is written there.

It's a pity they don't have such a function in the little ones. I bought myself a Flavia CI 55 Havana.
There are two modes with maintaining the temperature of 60-70 C. It's enough for me to wash, but I always want something better.

As I understand it, EXTRA DRYING is essentially a hygiene function, i.e. disinfection. At the same time, dishes are most likely served with steam.
Although I wonder how much it really disinfects the dishes, because the best temperature for this is still 100 C.

Damn ... It's still not clear how that part of humanity survives that does not have Chinese Flavia machines or even washes dishes under the tap.

Damn ... It's still not clear how that part of humanity survives that does not have Chinese Flavia machines or even washes dishes under the tap.

I washed dishes with pens for many years, and then I decided that was enough. But for a large dishwasher, I would not have enough money or space.
Therefore, I chose from the compact ones, there are only three offers on the market. Flavia, Gorene and Electrolux. And the flavia was the most adequate for the price.
And the fact that it is Chinese, so I have a Chinese phone, an electric kettle, an oven and everything seems to work. Pah-pah.

And so my friend Bosch, my sister Bosch, are big by 60 cm, I also want

Therefore, I chose from the compact ones, there are only three offers on the market. Flavia, Gorene and Electrolux. And the flavia was the most adequate for the price.

So I do not argue.) I wonder why hang over this "hot rinse" if at least half of the machine consists of soap advertising.)) What difference does it make if it is there or not? If you want "disinfection" - turn on the hot sink and do not take a steam bath.

Added Sunday 19 Feb 2017 4:08 pm

large by 60 cm, I also want

Who doesn’t want to .. ((But I have several familiar families, where such a desktop little girl has been serving families of 4 for many years and everyone is happy.

after all, the best temperature for this is still 100 C

I somehow tend to believe that this is a marketing move.
And some byaki are not killed even when boiling. When buying my PMMs, I didn't even bother with programs. The main thing is to make it work!

What difference does it make if it's there or not? If you want "disinfection" - turn on the hot sink and do not take a steam bath.

Now I'm in general confused Do you need such a function or not?

Do you need such a function or not?

For what?

For what?

For disinfecting dishes such as baby bottles.

That is, if you wash the dishes at T 70, this is not enough, but you need another minute rinsing with hot water. What a nonsense. (Sorry).
To preserve mushrooms, I wash the cans in the PMM and close the mushrooms. And for many years.

For your own comfort, you can pay extra money for this function. This is my opinion and I do not impose it on anyone

[Anastasiay]

Anastasiay, about the beam you understood correctly. This is an indicator that the machine is still running.
When you turn it on into the night, it’s not important to know at what stage it is.
But when you turn it on during the day or in fast mode, sometimes you need to know at what stage the car is and then this beam helps out. Because the car has separate stages when it is simply silent, does not rustle, but has not yet finished washing.
For example, at the very end when drying dishes. If there is no beam, she will quietly squeak at the end, you will not hear in another room, you will come to the kitchen - she is silent. Either dries, or has already finished, and you want to load the next batch of dishes.

And what about dishwashers with a signal, and even non-disconnectable? I had three of them in turn, none of the ariston and boshi squeaked. This is not a washing machine, where you need not to leaven the laundry if the drying mode is not turned on. And how at night with this reminder? Not very audible.
I choose 45, fits perfectly into the headset, there is also a half load - very convenient for a small family. I have five-liter pots and plates. I don't wash pans in the car. Bosch has made good runners under the dishes, they are across, it stands more than in aristons. Two krutyashki with water above and below.
I took the last Bosch without a beam, since I did not see the semantic load in it for myself. During the day, you can't see it on the floor, at night I sleep))))) and I don't care about the stages, but they don't matter to me during the day.
Bosch is much quieter than Ariston, Indesite. There are no doors in the kitchen, but everything is ok. The bread maker is louder
The indication of programs goes on, but I don't even remember when I look at them, as a rule, I put them on at night or several times in a row, when there are guests.
I put a pot or two down and plates, or a saucepan, plates, cutlery. The top of the cup, small pots - up to 2 liters, spatulas, whisks, scoops, can be tableware if there are two large pots below. I'm 45 just right. At 60, I don't have time to fill out in a day.

Added Sunday 19 Feb 2017 08:15 PM

For disinfecting dishes such as baby bottles.

And what is the temperature in the zhty mode? For disinfection, you probably need boiling and what, right there with boiling water?

Now I'm in general confused Do you need such a function or not?

I have it in my machine, I have never used it. There are a lot of different modes, but I only use two: economical and for crystal (very rarely - my chandelier). To preserve, my cans in the dishwasher on the usual economy mode, and then for half an hour in the oven. Everything is perfectly stored.

[Natalia]

And how at night with this reminder? Not very audible.

NataliaThis is something. My buddy and I have the same model. Only she has a built-in.
So that's it. My quiet as a mouse. Has washed and is silent. We are sitting at night, talking and suddenly such a squeak is insistent ... I already jumped. This machine wash finished. They don't leave at night. Screams like crazy until you open it. Horror

And who does not turn off the signal?

[Lena]

Lena, non-disconnectable old woman machine, waiting for her to glue her fins, but she can't

Yes, I would have chewed off this buzzer with my teeth for a long time! How many years ago were such cars made, 50?))

[Lena]

Lena, as soon as they appeared in Russia ... from the first batch of aeg. (90 some year). All were in one copy. exhibition.
The whole point is that they won't find where this signal is buried. But the Germans did not speak. Modern masters have not heard about this, or they pretend. So they live ... with a squeak.
God took me away from her, I almost quarreled with my friend. But she gave in ... otherwise that car would have flown out the window.

We have a Bosch building.When the renovation was done, the door to the kitchen was removed, so I was looking for a quiet car. There is a signal, but you can adjust the volume. Peels quite delicately, in the afternoon due to street noise I sometimes miss it when I finished washing. Yes, and at night it does not bother, everyone is asleep, no one complains.
Washes quite quietly, you have to listen. I really like the red beam on the floor, so that I do not constantly climb into the car.

[OlgaGera]

OlgaGera, I see.)) So, yours is also one of the oldies, if

Me and my buddy have the same model.

Then AEG was not yet Electrolux, probably ... It's cool to have such a reliable machine! Mine is half my age and I'm waiting with horror, suddenly it breaks and I have to buy something new, but the old one suits me quite well.

But if their car knows in advance how much it will wash in time, then it would be possible to set it to shutdown via a timer. Probably.

[Lena]

Lenawhat timer? Only buttons with programs. all.
Yes, then the Electrolux was also a luxury. Washing time depends on weight. It closes, thinks, clicks, and then starts.
Mine is simpler. Starts the rinsing program and thinks in parallel.

Girls, teach me how you wash canning jars, if the highest temperature is only on Auto (45-65).

how do you wash canning jars

I only put cans in the car. On the hottest program with drying. Have washed, unload on a towel and forward, under a twist.
If today I didn’t work out with the conservation, then tomorrow I’ll hold it over the steam for a couple of minutes and everything to keep the jar warm.

Lena, what's the timer? Only buttons with programs. all.

No, no, I'm talking about a third-party, which is in the socket. But if the washing time is different each time, then yes, not a way out even once. And in general, the idea is so-so ... If the timer turns off this boodyagu five minutes later, then it will scream five minutes, and if five minutes earlier, then it is also not a fact that the car is useful ... So the idea is removed from the auction .)))

[Tanya-Fanya]

Tanya-Fanya, everything is very simple. We load the car with banks, turn on the program that is. Then we rearrange everything in the oven. They fried it there for about thirty or an hour (as they remembered that the jars were in the oven), let them cool down a little there. so as not to burn yourself. We take out and preserve.

Fried there for about thirty minutes or an hour

10 minutes is enough. Checked. The most important thing is not to try to open the oven right away and take out the hot cans - they will crack.

[Anna1957]

Anna1957, but ten minutes is enough, isn't it not enough? I have a gas oven. While it warms up itself, then it still takes time for the cans themselves, it seems to me that it takes longer.

[Anna1957]

Anna1957, but ten minutes is enough, isn't it not enough? I have a gas oven. While it warms up itself, then it still takes time for the cans themselves, it seems to me that it takes longer.

Everything worked out for me, the banks did not explode. And now I sterilize it in the mic with a little water - it's more convenient.

[Anna1957]

Anna1957, gas is free, but you have to pay for electricity, and a lot more cans fit into the oven.

Thanks to all!
I realized that after washing in the dishwasher, I also need to go to the oven.
I really dreamed of doing just a dishwasher.

[Tanya-Fanya]

Tanya-Fanya, you can, probably, and without an oven. I adapted the oven for sterilization, probably twenty years ago, when the machine was not yet there, so I got used to it. It's not difficult for me to put the jars in the oven, it's much easier than all the jars in the water bath before, as I recall ...

Found a photo from Bosch "HygienePlus function. During the program, during the final rinse, the temperature of 70 ° C is maintained for about 10 minutes, which corresponds to the new European Union standards for professional washing and disinfecting devices"

Interestingly, this feature differs from Flavia's EXTRA DRYING. Who knows, tell me, please.
Was also on the site of Electrolux and Kandy, but somehow they do not have a separate description of the functions. And it takes a long time to discover the characteristics of each car. I opened a few, nothing is written there.

EXTRA DRYING is enhanced drying, i.e. the water heats up more for more efficient drying. Since most dishwashers use the principle of condensation drying, when at the last stage all dishes are doused with hot water, and moisture condenses on colder walls, more heating improves drying. And disinfection is just a side effect, because the more the water is heated, the more microorganisms it will destroy, therefore, we can talk about additional disinfection, as Bosch did, but this does not change the principle.

I really dreamed of doing only a dishwasher

I do not dream, I do. And the instructions for my PMM say that you can immediately use it for conservation

Girls, and how do you fix crystal tall flower vases in the PMM so that they don't fall?

Washing time depends on weight.

How shoud I understand this? Are the scales built into it? My PMM on the AUTO prog also shows different times at the beginning of the program from 98 to 103 minutes, but the masters explained to me that it focuses on the duration of the previous wash, remembers. And the difference in time depends on the temperature of the water at the inlet, we have a big difference between winter and summer (water from the Neva). And also the difference between day and night ...

[Tanya-Fanya]

Tanya-Fanya, I have been sterilizing jars in the dishwasher on the "baby dishes" program for several years now - there have never been "punctures" yet ..

[Iris]

Iris, Thank you!
If I'm not mistaken, then this mode is 70 degrees. My PMM doesn't have that.

How shoud I understand this? Are the scales built into it?

it looks like yes.
I didn't understand. So the instructions say, regardless of the number of sets, heavy dishes will take longer to wash. Not literally, but true.
Does not remember the time of the previous wash. The numbers are different. Actually, as in the CM. More laundry means more time.
I have so. There is no AUTO program in that machine. The machine in Moscow, T water is practically the same. The rinsing time also varies. Rinses two cups for 3 minutes, and already rinses with plates for 10 minutes. A full rinse cycle in the program is 20 minutes.

[OlgaGera]

OlgaGera, but precisely it is about the mass of dishes? Somehow I got used to thinking that from the quantity. In a sense, the machine somehow measures the difference between the drained-filled water, if there is a large shortage, then there are a lot of dishes, it takes longer to wash. I'm not sure of one hundred percent, but the version seems to be like this.

Well, the purity of the primary water, of course, but everyone knows about it. They just can't figure out how the machine understands too clean water - either the dishes are too clean and wash quickly, without changing the water, or very dirty / dried out / burnt, and therefore need to be washed for a long time and hot.