Mams
Can I tell you about the scales? Again, only my opinion. In general, a good kitchen should have a scale. Here, even if not in a bread maker, but bake it, still in grams. When I bought the scales, I immediately began to get any baked goods, be it yeast pies, or just a good cake. Therefore, when I saw the weight in grams at the new stove, I was simply delighted. And then you take a bread recipe - and think, from what stove it is, how many 230, 240 or 300 ml are there in a glass? And here everything is clear at once
And yet, I completely agree that it is necessary to adapt to the new device. Patience is needed. Well, there are electronic brains, but you still need to add a little of our own to them.

And about the Internet. My youngest is in 3rd grade. Every week they are asked to write a small message on the topic of the World around them, about animals, about fish, etc., and also about the Introduction to History and Moscow Studies. That is, every week 1-2 messages are needed. I have some kind of literature at home, but not all. Therefore, any training requires the Internet. The time is now.
Petrof
Quote: MariV

Well, yes, and also the course of the "young soldier", sorry, baker - to know everything about gluten, wheat varieties, growing places, and at what mill they ground!
I completely agree with you - it's all from the evil one, the stove is called "AUTOMATIC" !!! In general, I cross out recipes that do not work out and leave those that are normal. Over time, they will remain normal. And who wants to - in the food institute on the falcon there is a faculty of "storage and processing of grain", so you are welcome.
Petrof
Quote: Korata

ooohhh what a pity that I did not immediately notice your post ... but I will try anyway)
The question is - it turns out that you don't need to insist? that is, on the same day it is already ready for use ??
Sorry, only today I got to the Internet, and what about without loved ones. And ready to eat in 2 hours - extremely tasty.
Petrof
I want to share my observation and warn all users of Panasonic ovens: when I had the 253rd oven, I accidentally, with my fingernail, and not very hard, ran the covering display over the protective film and left a clearly visible and unreachable trace. Having bought the 255th oven, I was surprised to find that Panasonic had not given up on this easily scratched film. And then I chose a Panasonic microwave on the Internet - I liked it both in design and functions, but I drove into a techno-force and watched it live - and that - the same idiotic film as on bread makers, and only this forced me to abandon the Panasonic microwave in favor of Samsung.
Pay attention to this protective film and be very careful with it.
Good luck to all.
Andreevna
Petrof, and I immediately removed this film in a bread maker and in a cartoon and in a microwave. My son told me to take it off and I took it off. Maybe we're talking about a different film?
Elena Bo
Quote: Andreevna

Petrof, and I immediately removed this film in a bread maker and in a cartoon and in a microwave. My son told me to take it off and I took it off. Maybe we're talking about a different film?
Andreevna, everything is correct. It is recommended to remove this film (it is protective). But I didn't shoot. On the multicooker, she even bubbled up. I will rent it if it will be very scary over the years.
Petrof
This film, which I wrote about, cannot be removed - it is part of the body and the display under it. You touch it - it is soft and flexes without touching the display itself. This "protective screen" - let's call it that - is scratched, whoever wants to - can try and instantly understand what I wrote about without being clever. And it’s not about this nonsense, like a transport film made of polyethylene. I say - I didn't buy a microwave because of this screen, but to me about some kind of protective film.Well, you yourself, believe that there are still imbitsyly who, because of this film, will not buy the device?
Andreevna
Petrof, well, don't scold us, we are women and we understand everything literally, for me the film is something like polyethylene, and what is under it is no longer a film, but something like a thin transparent plastic. Well, here we are, not smart.
P.S. LG microwaves have the same screen.
Elena Bo
Quote: Petrof

This film, which I wrote about, cannot be removed - it is part of the body and the display under it. You touch it - it is soft and flexes without touching the display itself. This "protective screen" - let's call it that - is scratched, whoever wants to - can try and instantly understand what I wrote about without being clever. And it’s not about this nonsense, like a polyethylene transport film. I say - I didn't buy a microwave because of this screen, but to me about some kind of protective film. Well, you yourself, believe that there are still imbitsyly who, because of this film, will not buy the device?

You shouldn't consider me a fool. I perfectly understood you. And I deliberately went and picked up my displays from Panasonic. So, on the display, a film is very smoothly and neatly glued, which must be removed (even in the instructions it is written about it), and under it is a plastic display panel. This film, if not removed, can bubble, scratch, etc. And that is why it is soft and flexes without touching the display itself. If she hadn't been bubbling on the multicooker, I wouldn't have realized that she was there. And on the bread maker in general, until I picked it, it did not say anything about the film on top.
See:
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And who does not believe, can go and pick out their Panasonic
Celestine
I dug the entire panel on the bread maker (nails, thank God, allow me to pick hard enough) there is nothing left ??? By the way, I just noticed that there was still a protective film left, I didn't even think that there was something there
Petrof
Quote: Elena Bo

You shouldn't consider me a fool.
Well, let's try not to do that. Here in your photo I see the 253rd Panasonic is (as I had). If there is no protective plastic film on it, run your fingernail over it and see if there will be a trace or not. And then
Lika
Quote: Petrof

abandon the Panasonic microwave in favor of Samsung.
Pay attention to this protective film and be very careful with it.
Good luck to all.
Now, in six months, we'll see how you will be tormented with it. I have a protective film on the INNER side of the microwave door, after using the grill, it began to bubble and move away, after a year a very large piece began to move away, and after all, it is impossible to glue it and not decor, but protection. When the pizza pan slid off the grill a little, in 1-2 minutes it melted this film, a little, but a through hole about 1 cm.
Quote: Celestine

I dug the entire panel on the bread maker (nails, thank God, allow me to pick hard enough) there is nothing left ??? By the way, I just noticed that there was still a protective film left, I didn't even think that there was something there
Honestly, I went digging (255) - NOTHING.
Andreevna
Quote: Lika

Honestly, I went digging (255) - NOTHING.
In the 253rd, picking didn’t give anything, maybe we’re not picking like that, we need to scratch with a knife? But this will not happen, experiments are experiments, and equipment is more expensive!
Uncle Sam
Both I and I picked my 255 - no trace!
Maybe because I have my own nails, not acrylic?
Elena Bo
Yes, you can pick with your nails as much as you like, if the film is removed, then there will be no trace. Can I pick with claws, cat? And neto cats
Korata
ohh what passions))) poor Panasonic .. that only they are not looking for something to groan))) even a film, mlyn, and that is not the same .... but it was not there
For all opponents of Panasonic I can make a secret but important confession - their cord does not automatically hide inside like vacuum cleaners .. you may not buy them because of this. Although I have it all the time plugged into the socket
Elena Bo
Quote: Korata

For all opponents of Panasonic I can make a secret but important confession - their cord does not automatically hide inside like a vacuum cleaner ..
Exactly. NOT FINISHED!
Hope
I also picked two slow cookers and a bread maker. Nothing was scratched. Although, when you touch the multicooker display, it flexes. There is a film in there, but it's very strong.
Petrof
1. I agree with all the participants in the discussion - it is really easy to scratch.
2. A girl with a 1 cm hole burned out in a Samsung microwave when using a grill - sue them (you didn't blow up firecrackers there) - you are struggling with a free plasma TV from Samsung.
3. Elena Bo - a separate recognition for her recipe, which has no equal here.
natalka
We had a similar story with friends. We came to them, and they have a black microwave (it is especially noticeable on it) and with a scratched display. Complained that the coating is bad. They began to understand and it turned out that the film was not removed. In Panasonic, it is not the same as in other technology, it may not be noticed intact. I myself wondered for a long time whether they had time to peel it off in the store when it was displayed or not. I was convinced that there was only when I scratched. In general, I have a multicooker and a bread maker and a microwave from this company and with such displays and nowhere are there any scratches.
Korata
Quote: Petrof

1. I agree with all the participants in the discussion - it is really easy to scratch.
Stunned at least someone other than you said this ??? ))) It seems everyone was talking exactly the opposite! )) Or is it a type of self-hypnosis?
natalka
Exactly. There is always someone who wants to ruffle other people's nerves.
Yurij
And all the same it seems to me that the film is not removed on the run 255.
Rustic stove
Quote: Igorevicsh

But it seems to me ...

well cross yourself
and finish this strange topic
natalka
Quote: Igorevicsh

And all the same it seems to me that the film is not removed on the run 255.
It just means they managed to remove your film, but in fact the trick is that it is very invisible there. You can not even guess about her presence until you scratch as the author of this dispute.
Petrof
Quote: Uncle Sam

Both I and I picked my 255 - no trace!
Maybe because I have my own nails, not acrylic?

For some, taking into account the specifics of the contingent of this forum, it is better not to dig deeper, but to cry.

And again: I repeat - in my PERSONAL experience, there are two cases of scratches on the display, and not on some mythical non-woven film. And what does noise mean against personal experience? So I say - that's enough.

p. from. but as in the parable about beads, by God.
Celestine
Quote: Petrof

For some, taking into account the specifics of the contingent of this forum, it is better not to dig deeper, but to cry.

And again: I repeat - in my PERSONAL experience, there are two cases of scratches on the display, and not on some mythical non-woven film. And what does noise mean against personal experience? So I say - that's enough.

p. from. but as in the parable about beads, by God.

You are rude, however, and not fair.
The entire, practically, forum honestly, at the risk of integrity, redid all their household appliances and wrote what they saw, and you would like to write the opposite, just to please you? What for....
taty
On LV 205, the surface warms up sufficiently during baking
and you can really scratch
Kiwi
Here I read and read ,,, and also decided to pick, I did not find the film, although the instructions about it contain words that the type should be removed from the display, but it was not there, this is a fact, and the display does not scratch, I tried different things, damages does not arise.
Pupstt
maybe it means only the LCD screen? If you press on it, it springs, maybe if you drive a trace with a fingernail, it will remain, but I will not conduct experiments.
Myumla
And generally speaking! Panasonic do not have handles to rearrange from place to place! What a disgrace!
natalka
In fact, if you wish, you can find many disadvantages, but finding HP better than Panasonic is impossible!
Petrof
Quote: Pupstt

maybe it means only the LCD screen? If you press on it, it springs, maybe if you drive a trace with a fingernail, it will remain, but I will not conduct experiments.
Unfortunately, this is exactly how the traces remained, no one experimented, purely by accident.

Quote: Celestine

and you would like to write the opposite, just to please you? What for....
Of course not why.Here we will agree that it is not possible to scratch a Panasonic - and I suddenly see that my scratches from the display are gone, just like that, because we thought so, but I will be the first to prove that this is impossible, but alas ...

Quote: natalka

In fact, if you wish, you can find many disadvantages, but finding HP better than Panasonic is impossible!
Therefore, 5 or 6 years ago I bought the 253rd, and in August 2007 - the 255th.
Andreevna
Quote: Petrof

Therefore, 5 or 6 years ago I bought the 253rd, and in August 2007 - the 255th.
And I have 253 and she is already 3 years old, if not a secret, then for what reasons did you replace her with 255? They seem to be practically the same.
Petrof
Quote: Andreevna

And I have 253 and she is already 3 years old, if not a secret, then for what reasons did you replace her with 255? They seem to be practically the same.

There were no reasons for the replacement - I just moved and left it to my 253rd mother.
Andreevna
Petrof, well then everything is clear.
natalka
Quote: Petrof

Therefore, 5 or 6 years ago I bought the 253rd, and in August 2007 - the 255th.
And yet, as a person who managed to use 253 and 255, how can you compare these two stoves? I doubted the choice (for a while) and rushed between 253 and 255 (this is when I already stopped at Panasonic). In 235-Italian, and in 255-Pelmeni. I still doubt which is better. Better they left at 255 and Italian.
Someone on the forum wrote that Italian was left in the western version of this stove, but there was no jam.
Celestine
Quote: natalka

I doubted the choice (for a while) and rushed between 253 and 255 (this is when I already stopped at Panasonic). In 235-Italian, and in 255-Pelmeni. I still doubt which is better. Better they left at 255 and Italian.
Someone on the forum wrote that Italian was left in the western version of this stove, but there was no jam.

So in 253 you can make dough on dumplings (the engine is the same). and at 255 you can't bake Italian, although, by and large, I don't see a difference with French, except for the duration of the regime
natalka
Quote: Celestine

So in 253 you can make dough on dumplings (the engine is the same). and at 255 you can't bake Italian, although, by and large, I don't see a difference with French, except for the duration of the regime
So it seemed to me the same way, but someone here was talking about the fact that the new model has a new engine and is more powerful because "he can even knead dough on dumplings." Personally, my dumplings are not in great demand (I only make lasagna), but Italian bread may not be very different, but there is some difference. And if this is a bread maker, then let it be better to bake bread. In short, I chose what I chose, and I am very happy with this choice, and Panasonic keeps a field for new models.
Petrof
Quote: natalka


Someone on the forum wrote that Italian was left in the western version of this stove, but there was no jam.

I made Italian like French, only with the replacement of olive oil (as in recipe 253) - but in 255 - I didn't see any difference.
As for the jam - tomorrow I'll try to find a recipe for making jam in the microwave, which I learned at a seminar on microwaves at Panasonic - this recipe is many times more technological - the result is stable and easier to do. Apparently, Panasonic also believes that a bread maker should, in general, bake bread.
Rustic stove
Quote: Petrof

As for the jam - tomorrow I'll try to find a recipe for making jam in the microwave, which I learned at a seminar on microwaves at Panasonic - this recipe is many times more technological - the result is stable and easier to do. Apparently, Panasonic also believes that a bread maker should, in general, bake bread.

Alen Delongi gave how to cook jam in the microwave, look here, answer # 25
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&Itemid=99&topic=92.0
Andreevna
Quote: Petrof

As for the jam - tomorrow I'll try to find a recipe for making jam in the microwave, which I learned at a seminar on microwaves at Panasonic - this recipe is many times more technological - the result is stable and easier to do. Apparently, Panasonic also believes that a bread maker should, in general, bake bread.
Hooray, soon we will have a recipe for jam in a microwave, we already have a liquor! We wait! At my dacha just Panasonic and all sorts of fruits and berries in the season, so it's very useful.
Juliet

HURRAH! I now have the desired Panasonic-255! Wonderful stove!
Petrof
Quote: Andreevna
Yes, we sometimes make liqueurs in winter from frozen berries from the store. But of course lemon is also good - from 2 lemons to 0.5 vodka, the rest is as per recipe. Considering that lemon liqueur is hard to find on the free market, and even completely natural. I bought it at one time in the Felicita restaurant - 0.3 liters for about $ 20. But my own, in my opinion, turns out better.
Myumla
Respected Petrof !

Isn't it possible to put the recipes for liqueur, the same microwave jam, in the "Other recipes" section, otherwise time will pass, the topic will go away and bye-bye recipe, it's a shame!
Petrof
Quote: Myumla

Respected Petrof !

Isn't it possible to put the recipes for liqueur, the same microwave jam, in the "Other recipes" section, otherwise time will pass, the topic will go away and bye-bye recipe, it's a shame!

Good.
Korata
Quote: Petrof

Considering that lemon liqueur is hard to find on the free market, and even completely natural.

So I'm looking for a grapefruit with lemon (I remember - it was a German liqueur) .. - to no purpose. There is no such thing. I bought a lemon - so it gives off a lot of bitterness. apparently done with the peel.
Thanks for the hint)))) I really love sweet and sour))
Solo
My dear bakers. All Panasonic stoves are just wonderful. Read the instructions very carefully. The stoves are accurate and designed for proven technology, and this is the order of the bookmark, the weight of the products and, accordingly, the quality of the products. But there is a basic rule for all bakers. YEAST SHOULD NOT CONTACT DIRECTLY WITH FATS. This rule is taken into account in Panasonic. Yeast at the bottom and the first are mixed with flour. : D Only in the process of kneading, complex physical and chemical fermentation processes, you get tasty and wonderful, beloved by all of us bread, and all baked goods too.
Bon appetit, everyone.
! R! NA
Quote: Sonechka

That's right: the program includes a "keep warm" time. And how it ended (or turned off) - take it out. I think everything is clear ...


Have you noticed that only 50 minutes before the end of the program, bread is just starting to bake? Doesn't look like the program includes "keep hot"!
Rustic stove
Quote:! R! NA


Have you noticed that only 50 minutes before the end of the program, bread is just starting to bake? Doesn't look like the program includes "keep hot"!

Girls, the stove turns off after baking is finished.
The function of keeping the bread hot means that the bread is warm until the oven has cooled down, and that's it.

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