Bread Maker Zojirushi Breadmaker BB-CEC20

Zojirushi BB-PAC20 Shipping Weight: 12 Kg
Zojirushi BB-CEC20WB Shipping Weight: 10 Kg

Packat, thanks! We'll keep thinking.

This is with the packaging, I guess. Because my 10 kg does not weigh. She weighs 7 something. This is infa from the instructions.

This is with the packaging, I guess. Because my 10 kg does not weigh. She weighs 7 something. This is infa from the instructions.

So I'm thinking about it, but what kind of tank did I buy then? And I still want a little one. Chuchulka, it’s your fault that I’ve gone to the door!

guilty or not guilty is the last thing, the most important thing is to buy it in any case

guilty or not guilty is the last thing, the most important thing is to buy it in any case

No, look at him, he tempts me more and more! I want it anyway, but 3 bread machines? Despite the fact that I hardly eat bread ..., my relatives are looking askance at me anyway

Scarecrow, I keep forgetting to ask about the thickness of the bucket from Zosia, compared to Panas?

I think we should take Zosia of the coolest model right away

No, look at him, he tempts me more and more! I want it anyway, but 3 bread machines? Despite the fact that I hardly eat bread ..., my relatives are looking askance at me anyway

Scarecrow, I keep forgetting to ask about the thickness of the bucket from Zosia, compared to Pananas?

The zorushka has a thinner bucket. Thin-walled.

In addition to poor mixing with two shoulder blades, one of the shortcomings I can point out is a somewhat dreary procedure for typing a program. But this is no longer fatal. If you are going to make sourdough bread, you definitely need to choose a programmable machine. If it is made with yeast, or if it is made with sourdough only occasionally, I would choose "Panasonic". Here's another curious programmable model, by the way:
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Here, in addition to the time, you can program the temperature. Now appeared on Amazon. 🔗 There, by the way, you can read customer reviews (in English, of course).

In this oven, I have not yet found a detailed programming mode. And this is important if you choose wisely. The best so far, in my opinion, is with Zorusha.

[Serg_Piter]

Serg_Piter
are you talking about CEC20 or about PAC20?

CEC20
For Breville Bread Maker (BREBBM800XL), it only says:
Changes temperature and time for preheat, knead, rise, punch down, bake and keep warm. That is, everything that can be changed.

Found here also a customer review about BREBBM800XL, unfortunately in English:
This is probably one of the best breadmakers out there. I've used it to make whole wheat bread on numerous occasions, and except for one time that I'm assuiming was somehow my fault in not measuring the ingredients correctly, they all turned out great - and I'm usually not one to describe bread machine bread like that (this is not my first machine; I've been known to just use them to mix, knead, and proof the dough, then shape and bake by hand in my own pan in the oven). In addition to a variety of preprogrammed settings, it lets you take any of them and customize the exact time of any of the steps, as well as the temperature for the preheat, rise, and bake phases. The phases, if you're wondering, are: pre-heat, knead 1, knead 2, rise 1, rise 2, their associated punchdowns, rise 3, bake, and the optional post-baking "keep warm" phase, though not all programs include all phases (whole wheat is, in fact, the only one that uses them all). You can also save these custom programs in the machine for future use. This is described in the manual and recipe book, as is a lot of other useful information.

The machine is very nicely built, with a stainless steel case (a bit thin, however, so watch for dents), an easy-to-read display and controls, an "oven light" button you can press to show what's going on inside , the ability to turn on or off beep noises (ones you get after certain phases), and a well-thought-out power cord that has a finger / thumb hole for grabbing out of the wall easily.

The pan can make up to a 2.5 lb loaf, and the machine allows for loaves as "small" as 1 lb. (You chan change the loaf size before you start the program. The machine uses this to slightly adjust the time of the various phases.) That's really my biggest problem with this machine - I prefer smaller loaves, which most machines handle nicely, but if you try to make a 1 lb loaf in this one, the pan is so big - particularly its width - that the loaf will be an awkwardly wide, average length, and rather short in height. You'll also have to shape it by hand before the last kneading phase (the machine beeps a few times to let you know when this is) since with all the extra space the machine usually won't be able to turn it into a nice shape. A 1.5 lb loaf bakes nicely in this machine with a good shape, although I also usually shape it by hand before the last knead. This also allows you to remove the paddle, which I do to avoid the indent on the bottom of the loaf (the collapsible paddle makes it a bit smaller than breadm machines with only fixed paddles, but there's still an indent). I'm sure bigger sizes would work even better without much intervention, although regardless of what I'm baking I think I'd still remove the paddle if I'm home when that time comes.

As I've said before, I've used this to make whole wheat bread on many occasions. (I have my own recipe I prefer, though it's not a lot different from the one in the book.) I've also used it to make "jam," though the result was really more of a coulis (which, in their defense , is exactly what the recipe called it). I don't think you'll be able to use this to get the typical kind of firm jam. I've also used it to make pizza dough (which turned out well) and pasta dough (which didn't get thoroughly mixed by the machine, though that could have been because I slightly modified the flour type in the original recipe - and the rest mixed nicely by hand when the machine was done). I haven't used it to make sweet bread or white bread (making 100% whole wheat bread is one of the reasons I do it at home!), But given my luck with the rest I'm sure they'd be good as well. Perhaps the last feature I haven't mentioned is that for sweet breads (or, I suppose, whatever you'd want to use it for), the machine also includes a fruit and nut dispenser in the lid that will open at the approriate time in the cycle to mix them into the dough.

But Zojirushi basically suits me. I only bake sourdough rye bread, which holds a 1.5 kg loaf.

About Breville Bread Maker (BREBBM800XL)

In Russian https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=141429.0

in short, in our Raschke, this brand is produced under Bork, Bork, which speaks for itself about the dishonesty of the company that produces exceptional slag, I do not recommend the products of this brand at all!

If you look at the reviews on Amazon, you will see that there are almost some positive ones, maybe they are releasing a special model especially for Russia?
As always, they try to improve, adapt to the local market, but it turns out worse.

no way! I do not know this model, maybe it is EXCELLENT (this one, in a particular case), but the BORK firm in Russia is a filthy slag !!!!! which must be bypassed!
there is nothing they are not finalizing! and stupidly cut down the grandmother!

People! Who knows English, translate the menu, please! Well, one more question, how to translate the instruction? It is available in electronic form on Zovirusha's website, but everything is in English.

People! Who knows English, translate the menu, please! Well, one more question, how to translate the instruction? It is available in electronic form on Zovirusha's website, but everything is in English.

You mean the panel on the stove itself?

You mean the panel on the stove itself?

Natasha, even though the panel is for a start, but there I will gradually understand. By "typing" method She is already on the way.

People! Who knows English, translate the menu, please! Well, one more question, how to translate the instruction? It is available in electronic form on Zovirusha's website, but everything is in English.

Browsers have built-in translators from many languages ​​...
You can copy the text from the electronic instruction and translate it by a translator.
In the same place, in the instructions, you can highlight the panel in close-up, with explanations of all the functions.

It is available in electronic form on Zovirusha's website, but everything is in English.

Open the .pdf file in the browser and copy the content and paste it into the Google translator. 🔗 you get a cool translation

I went for instructions.

The top line on the panel (starts with the word basic):

Basic, Fast, Grain, Dough

At the bottom of the display:
Jam, Cupcake, Starter (sponge)), Programmable mode (manual operation)

Below it:
Choice of crust color, Time and mode (circled and below it says - home made)

The very bottom line:
Timer, Start / Reset, Mode selection

On the left, three words are the colors of the crust: light, medium, dark.

[Tanulke]

I got it !!!! Thanks to the godparents of my stove Tanulke and her husband Sachet, without their help, I would have dreamed of her! I just love your family!

[Catwoman]

Catwoman I sincerely congratulate you on your purchase, we are waiting for a photo of baked bread

[Catwoman]

Catwoman I sincerely congratulate you on your purchase, we are waiting for a photo of baked bread

As soon as I buy a transformer, be sure! I didn’t expect to come so quickly.

I already wrote more than once, the power of the transformer should be more than the power of the device, by 25%, at least ...

I already wrote more than once, the power of the transformer should be more than the power of the device, by 25%, at least ...

Pakat, I already know that, but thanks anyway!

I decided to show some pictures, the joy of acquiring me is already bursting, my husband laughs at me.






The box also contained a set of kitchen knives, spoons, I photographed them and a booklet on baking bread, but since I'm not friends with English, I liked it .... I liked the instructions, even without knowing the language you can figure it out. I took one picture of Zosia and Panas together, suddenly someone has questions about the dimensions of the stove. For now, tomorrow my husband will go to look for a transformer for me, because today it was too late. And hands are itching to begin to master it.

[Catwoman]

Catwoman What a beauty! Vashsche aaabaaldet (envious smiley)

[Catwoman]

Catwoman What a beauty! Vashsche aaabaaldet (envious smiley)

sazalexter, I envy myself! Probably I will sleep with her in an embrace today, I dreamed about her for more than a year!

In natural form, she is even more beautiful, the pictures of half do not convey her chic.

Lena, congratulations on the long-awaited assistant! let her mistress and her family be happy! : rose: And then ... envious emoticons.

Lena, congratulations on the long-awaited assistant! let her mistress and her family be happy! : rose: And then ... envious emoticons.

Thank you! expensive infection, but it is worth it, even just outwardly examining it!

[Lenuska,]

Lenuska, I already congratulated you today, congratulations again Let it bring only joy and bake delicious bread.OOO I'm very glad for you. Consider a little less than a month, the parcel went. I don’t find the transformer?

[Lenuska,]

Lenuska, I already congratulated you today, congratulations again Let it bring only joy and bake delicious bread. OOO I'm very glad for you. Consider a little less than a month, the parcel went. I don’t find the transformer?

Tashyushka, thank you again! As Sasha said to me: "You don't need much for happiness, joy .....", but noted the build quality. I haven’t found the transformer yet, tomorrow I’ll look for it again, if I don’t find it here, then on Monday I’ll call Yekaterinburg and order it, but I want it tomorrow, my hands itch. I put it on a TV stand in the hall while (in the front corner, I sit on the couch and admire)

Thank you! expensive infection, but it is worth it, even just outwardly examining it!

Yes, and I'm all about the same! As I saw the photos, I fainted from such beauty!

Another unpleasant feature. Once the program has started working, it is no longer possible to change the color of the peel. You cannot install this in the program either, that is, you must always remember to set the color of the crust before starting the program. I am a forgetful person, so I almost always forget.
If you mix more than a kilogram of dough (rye dough rises weaker), it only interferes at the bottom of the bucket, the dough from above is not touched at all. But it really bakes well and 1.5 kg.

Thank you! expensive infection, but it is worth it, even just outwardly examining it!

It's good that there is no disappointment! Congratulations from the bottom of my heart!

they will be soon)))
this model has several manufacturer's shortcomings, which were corrected in the new model ...
although the Russian person adapts to everything))

Another unpleasant feature. Once the program has started working, it is no longer possible to change the color of the peel. You cannot install this in the program either, that is, you must always remember to set the color of the crust before starting the program. I am a forgetful person, so I almost always forget.
If you mix more than a kilogram of dough (rye dough rises weaker), it only interferes at the bottom of the bucket, the dough from above is not touched at all. But it really bakes well and 1.5 kg.

And I never use the crust color setting at all. That is, it is installed by default - that will be, so I did not even notice.

they will be soon)))
this model has several manufacturer's shortcomings, which were corrected in the new model ...
although the Russian person adapts to everything))

In which?

in CEC20 the manufacturer's errors, in the PAC20 they were eliminated, there was something to mine with the lid, and something else, when I chose it, I shoveled it all ... now I don’t remember ... I know exactly what I had to take was pac20

in CEC20 the manufacturer's errors, in the PAC20 they were eliminated, there was something to mine with the lid, and something else, when I chose it, I shoveled it all ... now I don’t remember ... I know exactly what I had to take was pac20

This is not CEC20, this is just PAC. Compare photos in my first post and these.

I have no idea what could have been there with the lid - I didn't notice anything. And in PAC, users of subsequent models will also find a bunch of manufacturer errors, don't worry.)))

yeah))) I got screwed)))))
By the way, I bought the same one myself, and did not notice)))
in general, in the Pak-20, everything seems to be more or less nothing)

It's good that there is no disappointment! Congratulations from the bottom of my heart!

Natasha, thank you! I hope you will not refuse small consultations.

yeah))) I got screwed)))))
By the way, I bought the same one myself, and did not notice)))
in general, in the Pak-20, everything seems to be more or less nothing)

Nikolay, let's start using it, we'll see. Everyone has different requirements. In any case, I also have Panas, but all the same I hope that Zosia will not disappoint me.

Nikolay, let's start using it, we'll see. Everyone has different requirements. In any case, I also have Panas, but all the same I hope that Zosia will not disappoint me.

so let's learn to use it !!!! and put ready-made recipes specially for her, and we will also wait for the ready-made))))) as soon as our package arrives)

so let's learn to use it !!!! and put ready-made recipes specially for her, and we will also wait for the ready-made))))) as soon as our package arrives)

As soon as the transformer arrives, so immediately, I did not find it in my city.

Yes, I'm thinking about the identity ... shouldn't I buy it in asashay)

Natasha, thank you! I hope you will not refuse small consultations.

Boom to master together!

Boom to master together!

I’m just dreaming, though already looking at her Natasha, the menu is about the same, right?

I’m just dreaming, though already looking at her Natasha, the menu is about the same, right?

They have almost the same programs. In mine, some cycles and a programmed mode with a proofing in 24 hours, and not 12, like yours, are only longer for a few minutes.