Scarecrow
Yes, I seem to use English normally. Indeed, the problem is not special.
Yulia Rakov
recipes for this HP are on the network, if you need a translation, please contact
orthodox
Yulia Rakov
recipes are needed and translation will not hurt. We ask and we ask again
Yulia Rakov
Basic White Bread
1 1/3 cups Water
4 1/4 cups Bread Flour
4 tbsp sugar
2 tbsp Dry Milk
2 tbs salt
2 1/2 tbsp butter
2 tbs active dry yeast
for quick variation
3 tbs yeast

Italian Herb Bread
1 1/3 cups Water
4 1/4 cups Bread Flour
3 tbsp sugar
2 tbs salt
2 tbsp Olive Oil
1 tsp basil
2 tsp yeast, for quick variation 3 tbs yeast

orthodox
Has anyone tried to bake with sourdough? with yeast, everything turns out well, now you need to develop the leaven.
Scarecrow
Quote: orthodox

Has anyone tried to bake with sourdough? with yeast, everything turns out well, now you need to develop the leaven.

I baked for a while, then threw it away, because I ditched the leaven. In programmed mode. It worked well. Only shamefully I don't remember anything. I must try again ...
orthodox
I don't even know how to use this programmed mode
Scarecrow
Quote: orthodox

I don't even know how to use this programmed mode

"If you poked all the buttons, twisted all the knobs and pressed all the push buttons, but still nothing happens - finally read the instructions!"
orthodox
if everything was written in detail there, I will not speak English. on the video you can watch, there an aunt with good diction explains in English. but those who have already done this mode for us can better tell
Scarecrow
Quote: orthodox

if everything was written in detail there, I will not speak English. on the video you can watch, there an aunt with good diction explains in English. but those who have already done this mode for us can better tell

OK.

You press the Select course button (I'll write in Russian, okay?) And select the Home maid mode. When the triangle on the display shows Home maid, repeated pressing on Select, the course will leave the triangle in place, but the number of the program being set will change (Memori 1 or 2 or 3, three programs can be set there).

Each program has Preheate, knead, etc. modes (in my first post they are written including the time range). I chose the program number, press the Cycle key (cycle) and, as it were, enter the modes of this program. The name of the first Preheat mode appears (preparation, in short, equalization of the temperature of the products) / To the left of Cycle is the Time key. It sets the time of each mode. Or you choose Off, that is, this mode is disabled. I chose the time - press Cycle and go to the next mode. Or you turn it off. And so on up to Bake (pastries). Then you press Start. All. All entered data will be saved.
orthodox
Scarecrow
very grateful !!!
orthodox
now I would also like to find out how much time for the test on eternal sourdough to set for each mode
Scarecrow
Quote: orthodox

now I would also like to find out how much time for the test on eternal sourdough to set for each mode

And here is an ambush. I don’t remember that. I don't even remember what recipe I made. I'll have to myself. If I find records, I'll post them, of course ...
orthodox
I want to try this scheme with a leaven (a good eternal leaven):
ingredients:
water 260 ml.
flour c. from. 525 mg.
honey 50 gr.
salt 10 gr.
olive oil. 30 gr.
sourdough 200 gr.

preparation 10 minutes (I already have warm ingredients),
kneading 20 min.,
1 rise 20 min.
2 rise 2 hours.
baking 1 hour 10 min.
dark crust
who will say what to this alignment?
orthodox
In general, without waiting long, I decided to experiment myself without outside help, and I am very happy with the result. (who does not risk that does not drink champagne!)

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bread with butter went just with a bang

I spread the experience for those who might find it useful

in general, it turned out like this:
The bread was prepared lean, because it was a fast day, although it was ready the next day. I put everything as I said above, but with minor deviations, based on a basic recipe with yeast, with changes for sourdough.

ingredients:
water 260 ml.
flour c. from.525 mg.
honey 40 gr.
salt 10 gr.
olive oil. 30 gr. (can be creamy)
sourdough 200 gr.

I begged for leaven in the Tolgsky monastery, where they have a whole bunch of them (I will now grow it at home)
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added less honey so as not to get too sweet bread. in principle, you can still subtract and put 30 grams. by such a proportion.

on the second rise, the dough did not rise as we would like, and 5 minutes before baking, we had to reset the above program and reconfigure the program:
preliminary preparation - disabled
1 dough 2 hours (at the end the dough has risen to the level of 2/3 of the container)
baking for 1 hour 10 minutes. (when baking, the dough still rose by about 10-15 percent, although the wife argued with foam at the mouth that it would not rise)
dark crust.

in general, we got the following picture for the future:
of course you need to try first for more confidence.
and I also want to warn you, each leaven can work differently, and in the end the result may be different, especially since there was no yeast at all.
for the best result, closed all windows, so that there were no drafts. Spring water was used, we love spring water, and we advise others to use it, since tap water is rich in chlorine and kills the microorganisms that we need to rise the dough. In general, the topic of water is very important and large, they write a lot on this on the network, I advise you to study it, by the way, water in springs can also be very different, you need to ask the local sanitary and epidemiological supervision about the quality.

preliminary preparation 20 min. (if it is known that all the ingredients are warm, then this time can be reduced to 10 minutes.)
kneading for 20-30 minutes, the more it kneads, the better the consistency of the dough.
1 proofing 4 hours, to be sure you can put 5 hours if you don't want to watch. In any case, watching the rise of the dough is very desirable, I repeat, the leaven may work differently. I think that the option with a timer will not work.
all other proofers off. (I would like the stove to be able to change the time at all proofers at least until 12 o'clock, then there would be more field for action.It is also bad that before the 2nd and 3rd proofers the kneading is not regulated, it is turned on there by default)
baking for 1 hour 10 minutes.
heating at will.
it is better to make the crust dark, in other modes the crust turns out to be pale (IMHO)
before baking in 5 min. I took the table. a spoonful of honey, diluted in 2 tablespoons of warm water, greased the top of the dough, and sprinkled with sesame seeds, for better adhesion of the latter.

for the above, please do not hit hard
I accept thanks in the form of finance
Esa
Scarecrow, please tell me, is your 120v 60hz bread maker? (it should be written there below)
I saw that you are using a step-down transformer Calm - but it's 110v 50hz as far as I know?
And everything works without problems?

I just want to take the Zojirushi induction rice cooker to ebay and it's embarrassing that getting exactly 60hz in our network is difficult. And 120v transformers are also rare.

Thank you.
Vanya28
Quote: Esa

Scarecrow, please tell me, is your 120v 60hz bread maker? (it should be written there below)
I saw that you are using a step-down transformer Calm - but it's 110v 50hz as far as I know?
And everything works without problems?

I just want to take the Zojirushi induction rice cooker to ebay and it's embarrassing that getting exactly 60hz in our network is difficult. And 120v transformers are also rare.

Thank you.

Here's a link -
🔗
Hertz will not really affect your work, well, only if the clock is sometimes on some models, and the downshifting autotransformers "Shtil" themselves are designed to power devices and devices with 110 V alternating current from a standard 220 V.
Autotransformers "Shtil" can be used for power supply of foreign-made equipment, designed for a power supply network with a voltage of 110 V and a frequency of 50/60 Hz.
The product is a single-phase step-down voltage converter, consisting of the following main parts: a metal case, a step-down autotransformer on a toroidal core, a "MAINS" switch, a fuse, one (for models 0.1 ... 0.4 kVA) or two (for models 1 , 0 and 1.6 kVA), American standard sockets, power cord with Euro plug.
Scarecrow
Quote: Esa

Scarecrow, please tell me, is your 120v 60hz bread maker? (it should be written there below)
I saw that you are using a step-down transformer Calm - but it's 110v 50hz as far as I know?
And everything works without problems?

I just want to take the Zojirushi induction rice cooker to ebay and it's embarrassing that getting exactly 60hz in our network is difficult. And 120v transformers are also rare.

Thank you.

I answered in a personal, but I will answer here for everyone to see: everything is exactly as you wrote. The transformer pulls and plows everything for a year without failures and complaints.
lu_estrada
Dear Scarecrow and all, hello!
Well, I really want to bake a real rye custard bread (almost a forgotten taste). My husband replaced my old pleboschin from BellaCucina, a wonderful baby, with the newest Zojirushi Virtuoso BB-PAC20 Bread Maker. And something we do not get a great friendship. All recipes from Zoyka's book do not work.
I tried it on self-programming, it turned out to be excellent bread. And now I want Custard Rye Bread. Please tell me where to start! Thanks to all the master bakers.
Serg_Piter
I bought Zojirushi solely for the rye bread, white bread is also excellent on cheap bread makers. The question immediately arises, how to do so as not to run to the bread maker in the middle of the night, add and top up the ingredients, but pour everything in and go to bed or to work? I usually make sourdough custard bread. Well, the brewing can be done in advance, but how to combine the preparation of the dough with kneading the dough in one pot?
How many did not search the forum, I did not find anything suitable.
Catwoman
People! Finally, I convinced my husband that I can’t live without Accentor, which one to take? And is it safe to buy on Ibei, I have never contacted foreign sites, I don't even know how to do it.
notglass
On Ibei it is necessary to buy, there is a payment paper, it protects the buyer, and take a new stove (they sell used ones there), remove the color. Only they are all 110 volts, so you will need to buy a step-down transformer here.
Catwoman
Quote: notglass

On Ibei it is necessary to buy, there is a payment paper, it protects the buyer, and take a new stove (they sell used ones there), remove the color. Only they are all 110 volts, so you will need to buy a step-down transformer here.

Anh, it's clear about the transformer, but the payment is peypal, how's that? Forgive me the dark, this point bothers me, where to pay and how?
notglass
So so. We go to Euroset and take there payment card Maize master card. Is free. We put as much money on it as we need to pay. We put it in rubles. This is the easiest way and it allows you to keep your bank card off the internet. Next, we tie the corn to the paper palette. I'll throw the link in a personal, buy a stove and wait for delivery.
Pakat
Details about everything: 🔗
Catwoman
Quote: notglass

So so. We go to Euroset and take there payment card Maize master card. Is free. We put as much money on it as we need to pay. We put it in rubles. This is the easiest way and it allows you to keep your bank card off the internet. Next, we tie the corn to the paper palette. I'll throw the link in a personal, buy a stove and wait for delivery.

Anh, but how to tie it and transfer money to the seller?
Catwoman
Quote: Pakat

Details about everything: 🔗

Packat, thanks! I went to read, I hope I won't get confused.
Kolich
help me choose the best of best stove ...
keep an eye
KENWOOD BM450
Panasonic SD-ZB2502
Unold 68615
Zojirushi BB-PAC20
Zojirushi BB-CEC20
DeLonghi EOB 2071
I am very interested in Zozirus machines, very attractive with two kneaders ...
the most pressing question is what will be better than Delongey EOB2071 or Zozirushi?
Serg_Piter
Zojirushi is interesting for its programming ability, but it kneads the dough, it is clearly worse than machines with one mixer.I have to help with a spatula, and without this there will be inclusions of unmixed flour, and when I add wheat flour to rye dough, light lumps in bread. I used to have a cheap Black & Decker, it got in the way much better.
Scarecrow
Quote: Serg_Piter

Zojirushi is interesting for its programming ability, but it kneads the dough, it is clearly worse than machines with one mixer. I have to help with a spatula, and without this there will be inclusions of unmixed flour, and when I add wheat flour to rye dough, light lumps in bread. I used to have a cheap Black & Decker, it got in the way much better.

I agree. I did not understand the admiration of the people about the machines with two mixers. No one has ever kneaded better than Panasonic.
Kolich
Quote: Scarecrow

I agree. I did not understand the admiration of the people about the machines with two mixers. No one has ever kneaded better than Panasonic.
I just see you have this little animal in use, I saw you admire it, but not everything is as smooth as it seemed?
that is, take Panasonic unambiguously?
Scarecrow
Quote: Kolich

I just see you have this little animal in use, I saw you admire it, but not everything is as smooth as it seemed?
that is, take Panasonic unambiguously?

In general, I am a very restrained person and try to be objective. Therefore, you will not find my words of admiration on any page of the topic. It was difficult for me to adapt to two mixers at once. I wrote about it. I got used to making dough in it (it has such a mode), but I hardly bake anything in it. My bread from HP is not very good (they have become insolent!), And I have two dough mixers: Kitchen and Ankarsrum. Therefore, I would advise you not to take this oven. And take a Panasonic.
sazalexter
As a Panasonic user, I can confirm that he does not mix well, you need to make very gross minor mistakes he forgives and aligns in the truest sense of the word
Kolich
Quote: Scarecrow

In general, I am a very restrained person and try to be objective. Therefore, you will not find my words of admiration on any page of the topic. It was difficult for me to adapt to two mixers at once. I wrote about it. I got used to making dough in it (it has such a mode), but I hardly bake anything in it. My bread from HP is not very good (they have become insolent!), And I have two dough mixers: Kitchen and Ankarsrum. Therefore, I would advise you not to take this oven. And take a Panasonic.
thank you very much! I also began to lean towards this!
but why did yours treat bread like that? Is it not that it is not particularly tasty turns out than which in stores?
about kenwood bread maker, what can you say? will it be better than Panas or not?
Kolich
Quote: sazalexter

As a Panasonic user, I can confirm that he does not mix well, you need to make very gross minor mistakes he forgives and aligns in the truest sense of the word
well, everything, well, everything))))) I take Panas ...... !!!)))
but nevertheless KENWOOD BM450 how will it be against the background of Panas?
Kolich
And if purely objectively, then Ken will be worse than Panas?
sazalexter
This is a purely religious matter, Kenwood has more problems.
Kolich
troubles? hmmm ... I love these things))
but in fact how?
I have a lot of Delongee technique in the kitchen ... and Kenwood ... so it would be nice to have such a friend, only if it is not worse than Panas
sazalexter
Quote: Kolich


but in fact how?
The bucket is less reliable, leaks quickly, the glass exploded several times, the engines burned, the rest follow the link and search.
Rina
Quote: Scarecrow

.....
It was difficult for me to adapt to two mixers at once. I wrote about it. I got used to making dough in it (it has such a mode), but I hardly bake anything in it.
........
Therefore, I would advise you not to take this oven. And take a Panasonic.

Chucha, well ... I broke off on takeoff. And I was going to carefully consider the version of Zoirusha for myself (Panasik is not eternal). And you like that ... with a knife agitators and on the wings ...
sazalexter
Rina I also thought about Zojirushi, but then I realized that she only bakes big bread, it doesn't suit me, and I remember about complaints about rye breads that knead badly and the engine can't cope Her ... better tested Panasonic
Rina
In the end, our mothers-grandmothers-great-grandmothers somehow raised dough and sourdough without any specials. adapt. I'll have to do this too ...
Kolich
Quote: sazalexter

Rina I also thought about Zojirushi, but then I realized that she only bakes big bread, it doesn't suit me, and I remember about complaints about rye breads that knead badly and the engine can't cope Her ... better tested Panasonic
Are you talking about the BB-PAC20 or the previous model?
it's just that Panas is happy with a small mold ... but in zozirusha you can bake the usual loaf of a little
sazalexter
About any Zojirushi from Panasonic 600g flour form is up to 1200g of finished bread
Scarecrow
Quote: Kolich

And if purely objectively, then Ken will be worse than Panas?

I used not just this Kenwood with my friends, but one of the previous models. I do not like. May the Kenwood adepts forgive me. Personally, after Panas, practically nothing pushed me.)))
Kolich
this is understandable everything that can bake such a mass, but alas, no loaf shape, it is more square or rounded ((((
Kolich
Quote: Scarecrow

I used not just this Kenwood with my friends, but one of the previous models. I do not like. May the Kenwood adepts forgive me. Personally, after Panas, practically nothing pushed me.)))
the only thing that attracts me to Zozirushi is the "loaf" baking form
Rina
loaf form in Panas can be obtained (albeit small) using "non-standard" forms.
Anna1957
Quote: Rina

loaf form in Panas can be obtained (albeit small) using "non-standard" forms.

Why small? L7 and D10 (large) fit there and two each - L11 and L12.

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