Bread Maker Zojirushi Breadmaker BB-CEC20

loaf form in Panas can be obtained (albeit small) using "non-standard" forms.

I honestly don’t imagine how and what form ... can you show?

[Non-standard forms at Panasonic]

but what
Non-standard forms at Panasonic

[Non-standard forms at Panasonic]

but what
Non-standard forms at Panasonic

But are all these forms suitable for Panas?
Where can I order them?

Immediately the topic is not about Panasy. Read the one to which I gave the link, there you can ask all questions and get answers.

I still want Zovirushka, even though there is Panas.

I still want Zovirushka, even though there is Panas.

so why do you want it?))))
I now also choose either Panas or Zozik)))
while all the pluses are in the direction of Panas

We are considering Zoirushi, already having Panas. For us - baluvany Gal - the key words are "there is panas", we have experience with a very good stove. And who will take the stove from "scratch", then the first stove will be the best for a long time.

yes it is clear, but even before buying, you want to have the very thing, and not buy then a zozik in addition to Panas?)

Let's go...

There are two key questions.
1. how many real eaters do you have?
2. How much experience and knowledge in baking? is there an experimental streak?

so why do you want it?))))
I now also choose either Panas or Zozik)))
while all the pluses are in the direction of Panas

First, it is programmable, tired of constantly running to Panas, turn it on and off and turn it on again. I don't have time for that now. The second is the bun shape. Well, the reviews about her are very good. I don’t always bake in the oven, mine don’t resist, the main thing is that it’s not bread from the store. Of course, there are nuances in the operation of this stove, but you can adapt to everything.
Do you choose the first bread maker? Was it already or not? My first bread maker was Kenwood, my brains burned out after 9 months, after which I agreed only to Panas. And now my quirk is Zoirushi.

I'm not experimenting a lot - I have enough programs included in Panasonic.
Now there are few eaters (I and two children, our dad is added for the weekend), I have enough Panasonic bread of 500 g of flour for two days (one and a half, if I cook hot sandwiches for children, as today). Even when dad and grandfather are with us, I only bake once a day.

Therefore, Panas is enough for me with my head. Zoyrusha was interested solely because of a desire to bake bread with leaven or long dough. The existing Yunold has a program for sourdough bread, but it is rigidly set, and I just don't really like Yunold (it's a hybrid of a multicooker and a bread machine).

Here are the sizing and experimentation issues that apply to my life.

[Rina]

Rina and Catwoman
the first bread maker, there are no skills yet, my wife undoubtedly has a streak of experiments, while there are two in the family

I'm not experimenting a lot - I have enough programs included in Panasonic.
Zoyrusha was interested solely because of a desire to bake bread with leaven or long dough. The existing Yunold has a program for sourdough bread, but it is rigidly set, and I just don't really like Yunold (it's a hybrid of a multicooker and a bread machine).

Here are the sizing and experimentation issues that apply to my life.

Rinochka, and I just bake only with sourdough, so I run in circles around this topic, but I hope that my dream will come true soon, otherwise I completely tortured Pan.
I also considered Yunold at one time.

I'm not experimenting a lot - I have enough programs included in Panasonic.
Now there are few eaters (I and two children, our dad is added for the weekend), I have enough Panasonic bread of 500 g of flour for two days (one and a half, if I cook hot sandwiches for children, as today). Even when dad and grandfather are with us, I only bake once a day.

Therefore, Panas is enough for me with my head. Zoyrusha was interested solely because of a desire to bake bread with sourdough or long dough. The existing Yunold has a program for sourdough bread, but it is rigidly set, and I just don't really like the Yunold itself (it's a hybrid of a multicooker and a bread machine).

Here are the sizing and experimentation issues that apply to my life.

and Panas won't be able to bake on dough and sourdough?

Rinochka, and I just bake only with sourdough, so I run in circles around this topic, but I hope that my dream will come true soon, otherwise I completely tormented Pan.
I also considered Yunold at one time.

about Yunold saw such cars, and how is it? which is better than Zozirushi or Yunold and the differences?

[Rina]

Rina and Catwoman
the first bread maker, there are no skills yet, my wife undoubtedly has a streak of experiments, while there are two in the family

Nikolay, then take Panas, you will not regret it for sure.

I bake in dough and sourdough in Panas, but now I wanted to expand my field of activity.

As for Yunold and Zozirushi, I was interested in the customization program, Zozirushi wins in my opinion. Open their characteristics, read, perhaps the first one will suit you. But this is a topic about Zozirushi. The advantages of all other bread makers are best discussed in another profile topic, so as not to clog this one.

I hope Chuchelka will forgive us, I'll wipe my messages tonight.

The Animal has a model with one paddle, similar to Piglet - Zojirushi BB-HAC10 ...

The Animal has a model with one paddle, similar to Piglet - Zojirushi BB-HAC10 ...

Only she's for a very small bun. Enough for two.

and then WHAT it is possible and how to bake on Panas, for example in Zverusha the spectrum is wider ???
just a few thoughts ago I did not understand ...
now again I am entangled in the root ...
or the animal or Panas ..... damn it !!!! tell me))) you all say differently, who is cool, who is not an ice ...

and then WHAT it is possible and how to bake on Panas, for example in Zverusha the spectrum is wider ???
just a few thoughts ago I did not understand ...
now again I am entangled in the root ...
or the animal or Panas ..... damn it !!!! tell me))) you all say differently, who is cool, who is not an ice ...

Panas has NO programming mode, but Zozirusha has it! This is important for me, it is him that I miss in Panas. And you decide for yourself whether you need it or not, it became vital to me after almost 5 years of home baking.

well, give at least a few examples where this mode is needed and why, very interesting.

Interestingly, Zojirushi turns out to be pronounced like Zojirushi
🔗
The Zojirushi Corporation ("Dzodzirushi Corporation") traces its history back to 1918. It was then that in Osaka, the Ichikawa Brothers (Ichikawa) formed the Ichikawa Brothers Trading Company ("Ichikawa Brothers Trading Company"). In 1948, with the establishment of the joint-stock company Kyowa Manufacturing Co., Ltd. ("Keva Manufacturing Company Limited") began production and sale of vacuum-insulated thermoses - products that made the company famous in the Japanese market. These products for home use were a real technological breakthrough of the time.
Has been producing HP since 1988, i.e. only a year later than Panasonic (1987) 🔗 🔗

[Catwoman]

or the animal or Panas ..... damn it !!!! tell me))) you all say differently, who is cool, who is not an ice ...

And depending on what you need))). For experimenters like us - Zorusha and bought. Read the topic if you haven't. I wrote about this on the very first page. She has 3 fully programmable modes, which are convenient to adjust for the sourdough. You can also bake in Panas with sourdough. BUT! Sourdough does not work like yeast.It works anyway slower, so for a good result, the breadmaker programs sharpened for yeast are not so good. Because of this Catwoman and writes that he walks and manually on the Panas turns on and off certain modes when baking sourdough bread.

That is, I just described to you the question of user needs. But there are also purely technical issues. This is another song. I don't like the way she kneads. Panas kneads better. But she has a larger loaf (someone needs a large volume) and has the usual "brick" shape. Plus it's 110 volts. That is, these are purely design features. And now, when we combine these two questions, we get the conclusion: someone needs programmable modes so much that they don't care about the mix (they pick it up with a spatula) and 110V. Someone has never been an experimenter, so they are not ready to put up with the purchase of a transformer or the likelihood of a low-quality mix. Therefore, to say unequivocally which is better. what is worse is impossible. It all depends on your needs. Knowing that you are a beginner - I advise Panasonic. You will be very pleased. Having got acquainted with a good automatic oven, you will acquire skills, fill your hand, and to leaven ... you may not even reach it at all. Zorushi for the more experienced. She's pretty moody. Many recipes have to be corrected (read, I could not get all the domes of the loaf), it is designed for American flour (it is usually drier and more "strong".

Is it more clear now, or again confusion?)))

I hope Chuchelka will forgive us, I'll wipe my messages tonight.

What for?!!! I protest !! This is the same cynus - a discussion of the pros / cons / needs / comparisons of different models!

[Chucha]

Chucha, well ... I broke off on takeoff. And I was going to carefully consider the version of Zoirusha for myself (Panasik is not eternal). And you like that ... with a knife agitators and on the wings ...

In general, I'm a terrible person.

What for?!!! I protest !! This is the same cynus - a discussion of the pros / cons / needs / comparisons of different models!

I won't! Once the boss allows you to leave everything.

What for?!!! I protest !! This is the same cynus - a discussion of the pros / cons / needs / comparisons of different models!

Nata, all the same, probably - tsimes ...
Tsimes (Yiddish צימעס) is a dessert dish of Jewish cuisine.
Despite the simple ingredients, it is considered a great delicacy and delicacy, which is why, in a figurative sense, this word is used in the meaning - "what is needed", "the best."

Nata, all the same, probably - tsimes ...
Tsimes (Yiddish צימעס) is a dessert dish of Jewish cuisine.
Despite the simple ingredients, it is considered a great delicacy and delicacy, which is why, in a figurative sense, this word is used in the meaning - "what is needed", "the best."

We have always said exactly "cinus". This is distorted and wrong, but this is how we talked. I'm used to it. But I'll try to switch to "tsimes".)))

And we say "cinus".

And we say "cinus".

Hurrah!!! I'm not the only one so wrong !!!

[Rina]

the most tsimes

Rina and Catwoman
the first bread maker, there are no skills yet, my wife undoubtedly has a streak of experiments, while there are two in the family

then for sure - take a Panasonic.

You definitely don't need a big stove. Panasovsky bread will be enough with your head. You will also have to bake small loaves (from 400 g of flour) so that the bread does not go to waste.

Experimentation is provided only by additional switching on and off the stove. I will not say that I really need programming - I get by with a long dough, and this is quite realizable in Panasonic with the help of one additional action and an automatic program. I will decide to cook with sourdough - no one will bother me to manually turn the stove on and off at the right time. Dzodzirushi (break the tongue!) I was interested in as a second stove with additional options. But not more. Panasonic meets my needs 100% (despite the fact that I don't use half of the programs at all).

and Panas won't be able to bake on dough and sourdough?

on the dough it looks like this:
1. I knead the yeast and some of the flour and water for 10-15 minutes.
2. I stop the batch ("pizza" program).
3. I add the rest of the products, set the "main" program with a delay of 1-2-4-6 hours (according to my mood and desire).

There will be another moment on the sourdough: lay the food, knead, wait for the rise, settle the dough, wait for the rise again and then turn on the baking. If yeast allows you to use automatic programs (they have a certain strength, quantity, this allows you to get a more or less stable rise time), then the leaven is already somewhere in the field of alchemy. If she is stable, then the hostess knows how long it will take to get up in certain conditions. If it is young, unstable, and even the leavens are different, then the rise time will already vary, and, moreover, it is very noticeable, that is, you cannot bake it on the machine.

Almost anything can be baked in Panasonic! You just need to include the head, hands and eyes.

about Yunold saw such cars, and how is it? which is better than Zozirushi or Yunold and the differences?

As far as I know, a programmable (if any) Yunold has a range of operations not as wide as a Japanese. But it is designed for the European power grid, that is, no transformer is needed.

[Catwoman]

And depending on what you need))). For experimenters like us - Zorusha and bought. Read the topic if you haven't. I wrote about this on the very first page. She has 3 fully programmable modes, which are convenient to adjust for the sourdough. You can also bake in Panas with sourdough. BUT! Sourdough does not work like yeast. It works anyway slower, so for a good result, the breadmaker programs sharpened for yeast are not so good. Because of this Catwoman and writes that he walks and manually on the Panas turns on and off certain modes when baking sourdough bread.

That is, I just described to you the question of user needs. But there are also purely technical issues. This is another song. I don't like the way she kneads. Panas kneads better. But she has a larger loaf (someone needs a large volume) and has the usual "brick" shape. Plus it's 110 volts. That is, these are purely design features. And now, when we combine these two questions, we get the conclusion: someone needs programmable modes so much that they don't care about the mix (they pick it up with a spatula) and 110V. Someone has never been an experimenter, so they are not ready to put up with the purchase of a transformer or the likelihood of a low-quality mix. Therefore, to say unequivocally which is better. what is worse is impossible. It all depends on your needs. Knowing that you are a beginner - I advise Panasonic. You will be very pleased. Having got acquainted with a good automatic oven, you will acquire skills, fill your hand, and to leaven ... you may not even reach it at all. Zorushi for the more experienced. She's pretty moody. Many recipes have to be corrected (read, I could not get all the domes of the loaf), it is designed for American flour (it is usually drier and more "strong".

Is it more clear now, or again confusion?)))

by the way, nevertheless, you used a different model, and I'm talking about Zojirushi BB-PAC20, the difference in price is not so small. I think there and eliminated all the previous shortcomings in this new model. eh
I'm also wondering why you are talking about ONLY PROGRAMMABLE modes, and not automatic, because the bread maker is not without them, and for us, as for beginners, these modes will come in handy, and then how will we grow up to experiment, explain where I am wrong?))) )
I have a transformer, since we have all the equipment from the USA and Europe, we do not buy anything in the Russian Federation .... so this is the moment, tell me the main thing is Zozirusha's automation worse than automation, for example, from the same Panas?

I'm talking about programmable modes, because this oven was bought for them.))) I don't need automatic programs in it, to be honest. I almost never used them. From the automation, the Starter program is constantly used. The rest is from time to time. Some never even once))).I have them in Panasonic, and there they are more familiar to me. The presence of these modes is the highlight and the greatest advantage of this oven (for me). There are not many programmable ovens.

If you judge very strictly and based on practical skills with a specific model, then hardly anyone will answer you which is better: Kenwood of a specific model or Zorusha. Because the owners of Zorusha can be counted on the fingers, and those who have both Zorusha and Kenwood of certain models at the same time - no one at all. And how to compare?)))

just in this case, I want to foresee everything and foresee in advance ...
Nevertheless, I would very much like to know on the forum there are many recipes for baking bread in one or another bread maker, but there are no recipes for Zozirusha, please tell me how to use those recipes?

just in this case, I want to foresee everything and foresee in advance ...
Nevertheless, I would very much like to know on the forum there are many recipes for baking bread in one or another bread maker, but there are no recipes for Zozirusha, please tell me how to use those recipes?

Of course not for Zorusha. Because the owners of these ovens are still three and a half pieces on the forum.))) There is no mass character, so there are no recipes. And use the recipes from the instructions first and foremost. There are many of them. Then you adapt any recipe, if only because in most ovens the programs are very similar. The overwhelming majority have the program "French bread", "Whole grain bread" (in Panasonic it is Diet), "Sweet bread" (in Zorushi, cake is baked in the main mode, for example), etc. In short, when you buy an oven, you quickly figure it out for yourself. ))) This is not difficult.

I think what can be done, or rather programmed as a new mode based on those that have already been made, but for other ovens?

I think what can be done, or rather programmed as a new mode based on those that have already been made, but for other ovens?

Can. The main thing is that the modes are described in the instructions for the HP, the recipe for which you are using. In my Panasonic they are not detailed (at what minute the kneading takes, how long the kneading takes, etc.). But in LG, they were painted to the smallest detail and, accordingly, you can program your oven in the same way.

I will most likely take the BB-PAC20 model, I have already bought it won the auction for 230 Baku)

And I also want little Zosya, bliiin, but her price with delivery is not at all maaaaaaaaaa! I definitely need to be treated!

And I also want little Zosya, bliiin, but her price with delivery is not at all maaaaaaaaaa! I definitely need to be treated!

You first get used to it and look: if it's "wow !!", then it doesn't matter how much it will cost with delivery. And if it doesn’t lie to your heart - and let her with her little one. )))

You first get used to it and look: if it's "wow !!", then it doesn't matter how much it will cost with delivery. And if it doesn’t lie to your heart - and let her with her little one. )))

This is what I was waiting for, so that at least someone would slow me down, but she is so nice!

must be purchased!)

must be purchased!)

Here is the tempter!

in no way ..... stating the facts! if you like it, you have to take it! otherwise, why do we live? -to bump into it, so this is not life, but zhYst)))

in no way ..... stating the facts! if you like it, you have to take it! otherwise why do we live?

I agree, I'll find her weight and think.

I think she weighs 2-3 kilos ...

Zojirushi BB-HAC10 Shipping Weight: 7 Kg

Zojirushi BB-HAC10 Shipping Weight: 7 Kg

So is the big one?

Zojirushi BB-PAC20 Shipping Weight: 12 Kg
Zojirushi BB-CEC20WB Shipping Weight: 10 Kg