Furniture for kitchen

Or slightly expand the corridor at the expense of the room,

I am for this option and against bevels. The apartment is small, to make a hall out of the corridor at the expense of a room of 16m2?
IMHO, wrong angles can cause discomfort over time.

If the compartment is made according to the advice of a bald man from YouTube,

Maybe the bald YouTube guy knows more, but I have an apartment in a similar new building. For hanging items, the standard depth of 60cm is sufficient.
Everyone puts a standard sliding wardrobe 60 cm deep and poured an open hanger on the side next to it. Wardrobe to the ceiling, fits everything. The electrical panel is obtained behind the cabinet, as a rule, a hole is cut in the back wall of the cabinet for it. You don't have to cut it out, there is often no need to climb there.

Maybe after the bevel it will rise better too.

Don't ... It won't get up after the bevel. In the developer's version, the door to the room is opposite the entrance to the apartment, and in the room there is a sofa opposite the door to the room. Since this is one-handed, the sofa will serve as the function of the bed. I mean, as the developer suggests, this bunk will be visible from the front door. It turns out that the developer is not right, in another corner of the room you need either a sofa, or a bed, or a sofa bed.
On one of the raw, even at the level of the idea of ​​the pictures, the bed was marked. Something like this, if with a bevel it turns out:

On one of the raw, even at the level of the idea of ​​the pictures, the bed was marked. Something like this, if with a bevel it turns out:

My opinion is that the bed is turned "facing" the front door, otherwise discomfort, you do not control the situation in the apartment
Although there is still feng shui and the opinion that it is better to sleep with your head to the north
A large wardrobe from door to wall is placed along the 361 cm wall and the problem of storing things is solved.

I have a very roomy and comfortable wardrobe. Ideal for blind corners. It is unrealistic to get into it a lot - both outerwear and shoes, everything! I still have extra chairs in the back. On the left inside the shelf for the things you need. How to explain its size. Corner, distant walls 1m wide, the front corner is naturally cut off, the front walls are 55cm wide, the door is 45cm.

Maybe the bald YouTube guy knows more, but I have an apartment in a similar new building. Everyone puts a standard 60 cm deep wardrobe and an open hanger next to it.

The bald man from YouTube claims that the closet for outerwear should be deeper, because the cabinet doors shuffle over the clothes.
Some other furniture makers say the same. Well, and according to the experience of using a standard depth cupboard - in fact, yes, a 60 cm deep wardrobe is not very suitable for outerwear. At least 70 centimeters are necessary. In the same place, the guiding place is eating. If you make a depth of 70, it will remain about 62 cm

I am for this option and against bevels.

I don't really respect bevels either, I prefer right angles, I just offer different options and write about their pros and cons. Many people like the bevels.
There, if you think about the further arrangement of furniture around the room, then what's on the forehead, what's on the forehead. What is beveled, what is a right angle.
With a bevel, the door can be placed on the 70th, there is room for maneuver. No bevel needs 80, and this burdock needs to open somewhere.

A large wardrobe from door to wall is placed along the 361 cm wall and the problem of storing things is solved.

Well, again, no one looks in size. Well, come on, draw, taking into account the dimensions, at least on top of the Patchouli plan, how the bed will stand, how wide the door to the room will be and where it will open if you run a wardrobe in the whole wall in the room, and what passages will remain between the wardrobe and bed.

The photo is bad, I took a picture as best I could.
The shoulder of the cabinet is 55cm, nothing shorts anywhere. Wait, I'll take a picture inside, I'll try ...

My opinion is that the bed is turned "facing" the front door, otherwise discomfort, you do not control the situation in the apartment

There are other opinions that it is better to place furniture so that the bed is not visible from the entrance to the apartment, and that from the entrance to the apartment something should be seen that is always pretty and neat, and not a bed. Because the bed, for some reason, may not be cleaned, or a person may sleep on it, and the door to the room, especially in one room, is usually not closed.

The depth of the closet for clothes depends on whether the clothes are hanging along the closet or across. If there is not much outerwear, then the depth of the cabinet is 45-50 cm. When the count is per centimeters, then this must be taken into account. And the shuffling of the closet doors by clothes is taken into account with other, more spacious sizes, when there is where to roam. Such shuffling does not bother me in any way, I have a similar closet in the hallway, nothing is done with clothes.
IMHO making a spacious corridor to the detriment of a small room is not a good solution. If the door of the room opposite the entrance is so annoying, then it can be done on the other side of the corner.

The shoulder of the cabinet is 55cm, nothing shorts anywhere. Wait, I'll take a picture inside, I'll try ...

Ol, well, honestly, it's an uncomfortable wardrobe. I have one symmetrical, meter by meter, with a concave facade. I do not like him, the third poorly visible corner is large.
There the workers were actually hung about 60 centimeters, and another 30 is a funeral.
I like the small corner transition from one depth to another, which I bought for the entrance. I already figured it out in the Patchulin. Useless, it is still narrow at the turn and there is little room for the hanger.
And then. A straight coupe is 110 wide. A corner compartment will be smaller. There are also more, 120 wide. But again at the turn it will be narrow
And the coupe has a different kinematics, with hinged doors, yes, clothes do not shuffle, but crumpled. With compartments it will shine.

The depth of the closet for clothes depends on whether the clothes are hanging along the closet or across.

across is more uncomfortable than along.

If a person does not live alone in a one-room apartment, and at the moment he is sleeping, then, usually, the door is closed so as not to interfere with his sleep.
The closet is inside ... And what is it, interestingly, uncomfortable ...




Auntie, I'm not small, things are not small, the hangers are standard. Everything fits perfectly, no cramps.

Sleeping is not comfortable either facing the exit, or vice versa, we have a similar room, the door is also opposite the entrance to the apartment.

across is more uncomfortable than along.

Yes, it is more inconvenient, but if there are centimeters of free space on the scales, then I will choose inconvenient for clothes. And not so inconvenient as to discount it.
In my hallway (creepy layout), this was the only option.

And what is he, interestingly, uncomfortable ...

yes, the same as the corner kitchen cabinets. dead corner, it is uncomfortable.
There is still nothing in the small transitional corner cabinet, there is practically no dead corner. And in symmetrical huge giants, the dead angle is greater.

how wide the door to the room will be and where it will open if you run a wardrobe in the room to the full wall.

I saw a lot of such apartments, the door is standard, it opens into the room, behind it is a wardrobe or a wall, something like this

how wide the door to the room will be and where will it open,

when cutting off the corner, it is quite possible to put compartment doors, and not reduce the opening.

In my hallway (creepy layout), this was the only option.

Well, Patchouli has a different layout and it is possible to move the walls a little the way she likes best. In her hallway, a wardrobe with hangers fits well along. Why would she make a wardrobe with hangers that are more inconvenient, if you can fit something better.

And here are the shelves. Rather, deep shoulders are less than a meter, it is inconvenient for me to climb, errors. I have nowhere to go, the entrance is minimal ... But as a thought ... In the photo, the third part is about.To the right are still outerwear and one-on-one chairs, on them a box with a pressure cooker. Above the shelf is 35-40cm high, for the whole size. You can put hats and scarves there, but I have a combine box and a dryer, umbrellas. On the right, in the height, there is a compartment, there are boxes with shoes at the bottom, just shoes, a compartment with cosmetic bags, a compartment for bags, and even higher is a compartment with medicines. In the main compartment, under the clothes, shoes, again, and another box with necessities.

Well, Patchouli has a different layout and has the ability to move the walls a little the way she likes best. In her hallway, a wardrobe with hangers fits well along. Why would she make a wardrobe with hangers, which are more inconvenient, if you can fit something better.

IMHO and is it SO necessary to move the walls? For the sake of hanging your clothes loose? Maybe then the whole apartment has to be redrawn, and not just the bevel of the door? more IMHO

The necessary things that you don't use right now are crammed into a dead meter corner.

when cutting off the corner, it is quite possible to put compartment doors, and not reduce the opening.

Oh ... I shouldn't have written Patchouli that it is harmful to watch a lot of bald vidos.
No, as for doors, wardrobes and wardrobes, it's useful to look at it.
Bald about sliding doors:

Bald about the size of wardrobes. From about 3:37 a.m. from the beginning of the video about the depth of wardrobes:

Actually, the theme is called Kitchen Furniture!

Light, I agree, furniture for the kitchen. I tried to show that it is not necessary to move walls and cut corners in order to comfortably and compactly place the closet in the closet ...

Maybe then the whole apartment has to be redrawn, and not just the bevel of the door? more IMHO

Maybe all. She has a refrigerator and a microwave in the kitchen do not get up the way she dreams.
10 centimeters is not enough for a person to dream. And move the wall between the room and the kitchen - and there will be a layout for it, which she draws for herself. Let herself decide. There is still bare concrete and free planning.

it is not necessary to move walls and cut corners in order to comfortably and compactly place the cabinet in the cabinet ...

I also try to convey this. But no, here the words from the song "... to the ground, and then we are ours, we will build a new world ..."

Let herself decide. There is still bare concrete and free planning.

Why then are we breaking spears along the bevels of the door and the expansion of the corridor?

well, on the layout and some other issues, by the way, and on the layout of the tiles, you can take a lot from him. And on the compartment doors (which do not go into the wall), I do not agree, at least in relation to this apartment. As far as I understood, this is an apartment for 1-2 people. In this case, the need for a door to the hall is ambiguous (and to the kitchen too). Or it will most likely play the role of a screen, for this, the doors-wardrobes are quite suitable. You can also install doors that fold in half when opening (Estet has such doors), but they are 2 times more expensive than usual

You can also install doors that fold in half when opening (Estet has such doors), but they are 2 times more expensive than usual

And let's generally offer a compact pack at the price of an airplane wing.

Quote: renard from Today at 10:43 am
Let herself decide. There is still bare concrete and free planning.
Why then are we breaking spears along the bevels of the door and the expansion of the corridor?

so it is necessary to decide NOW how to put the walls so that it is as convenient as possible. The proposed layout is clearly from the developer, and they do not sin with exclusive options.
When I was making options for the layout of my son's apartment, I had 13 options for only a bathroom / unit, I chose 2, because they did not yet know where the sewer riser would be, and then only one optimal one remained in place.
Therefore, you need to think and draw in advance and a lot in order to view all possible options.

[Marina]

Marina, I also mean that the topic is about Furniture for kitchen!!!

[renard]

renardfor the price or not of a Boeing wing - it's not up to us, but to the owner, but to know that it is there, you have to choose with your eyes open; after all, the doors are installed not for a year or two, but, more often, for decades. They put 2 such doors at my son and are very happy, because they almost do not eat up the place. I have compartment doors (wood) in two rooms, and I would not say that the sound insulation is worse than with ordinary ones. True, there is no one to make much noise



SvettaYou are right, but here the kitchen is too closely intertwined with the general layout. And the topic is alive, and these questions are relevant for many

I am very grateful to everyone for the tips and a look from the outside. I thought that the layout was more or less normal and did not prepare any special difficulties for me. But if you look at it, then yes.
According to the measurements, I might not understand it, but I asked the builders to take measurements of my apartment by crook, and asked them to take measurements. And the photo of the partitions is from the apartment of a neighbor in the house. Gas blocks?
And there is also a shield in the corridor there, only on the kitchen wall.

[Olya]

Anchic, Anh, and so the only room is small and to reduce it ...

Olya, I also began to watch Zemsky. It really shows how sometimes, after reducing the area of ​​a room, or a kitchen, or a bathroom, the whole apartment becomes more convenient. Therefore, I wrote that I needed to estimate the arrangement of furniture in the room with the current position of the walls and with two options for moving them. In the same place, not only the area of ​​the room is reduced, but the door is moved there. This changes the ability to arrange furniture. And you need to figure out not only the room, but the room and the corridor. And proceed from the general pros and cons. It is necessary to plan the entire apartment entirely, and not in pieces. Moreover, the internal walls here are not load-bearing.

It is necessary to plan the entire apartment entirely, and not in pieces.

and for this you need to know what and where will stand, the size of the furniture. Everything, everything everything

[Lelka]

Lelka, therefore, I am writing that it is necessary to do a layout for all options.

[Patchouli_ t123]

I saw a lot of such apartments, the door is standard, it opens into the room, behind it is a wardrobe or a wall, something like this

Svetlana, well, where in this photo is the wardrobe with a full wall 3.61 meters in the Patchouli room, which you proposed to make?
You won't get a coupe there with its size. In the best case, you will get cabinets with swing facades and a depth of about 55 cm along this entire wall. And they are not very good under outerwear.
On another wall, which is not 3.61, but longer, you can get a kupeshka. But not the entire wall. Part of the wall will devour the door, as in the photo.



Patchouli_ t123, do you hear, the discussion of the layout of your apartment in this topic outrages the public. )))))

theme about kitchen furniture !!!

Open a topic in your blog, and we will discuss it further there.

I figured to put the bed in the room to the right of the entrance, and to the left behind the door is a wardrobe on the entire wall. And in general, not a lot of furniture is planned in the room - a wardrobe, a bed, bedside tables ?, a husband's armchair, a TV, a table (mobile?) For a large cage 80v-66sh-44gl and a tree for a parrot (closer to the window or on the windowsill). Can you look at the transforming bed when the bed rises and a sofa appears in place? But it seems to be a little expensive and is it convenient to lower and raise it here and there ...
And I'll move on to the topic of repairs. I just haven't decided on the kitchen yet, not everything is placed. On Tuesday I will try to draw some more drawers and shelves.

Therefore, I wrote that I needed to estimate the arrangement of furniture in the room with the current position of the walls and with two options for moving them.

With four actually. and a couple more at the level of a very crude idea, which must be heavily pondered and with which, perhaps, nothing can be improved, in which the room is reduced to about 9 sq. m., turning into a small bedroom, but a bunch of utility rooms materialize - a pantry, a dressing room and a bathroom is getting fat.
Relatively not raw - 4:
a) move the wall between the kitchen and the room towards the room by 10-20 centimeters. So that in Patchouli's kitchen the microwave fits next to the chosen wide refrigerator.
b) cut the room by 10-20 centimeters in favor of the corridor in a straight line.
c) cut the room into a bevel from the corner of the bathroom to the corner of the kitchen
d) cut the room to a smaller bevel.
Well, there are all sorts of variations, such as rounding a corner or cutting a room both in favor of the kitchen and in favor of the corridor. True, judging by the set that Patchouli listed, there is nowhere to cut the room.
The parrot may cram in or move into the kitchen. But a husband's chair on 16 squares will be superfluous. We don't shove a chair into our 19 squares, but here 16 ...

a) move the wall between the kitchen and the room towards the room by 10-20 centimeters. So that in Patchouli's kitchen the microwave fits next to the chosen wide refrigerator.

d) cut the room to a smaller bevel.

I like these options. If you move the wall by 10 cm, then it will not be visible, and the problem with the desired placement in the kitchen will be solved

The parrot may cram in or move into the kitchen. But a husband's chair on 16 squares will be superfluous. We don't shove a chair into our 19 squares, but here 16 ...

In the kitchen for a parrot, one more tree-attachment is necessary on the windowsill with a blind window, but I don't even consider living there. And in the cage he only sleeps, eats and sits when no one is at home. And so on a free flight. This is our family member, pet.
And the husband's chair must be tucked in, even in the middle of the room :-). Now we have a 3.5x5 room with all this we fit.
I'll try to draw a kitchen with an oven at the bottom and then I will get only one section by 50 with drawers. And a rack with a microwave, multicooker and beautiful roomy storage boxes outside the door.

You don't have to move the wall with the kitchen. You can just put the door in an ugly way. Close to the wall. On the one hand, without any casing and beading. Only it will not even open 90 degrees, and a normal doorknob will play hooks with Patchouli's clothes.
We'll have to put a sunken into the door leaf or something like a door knocker.

You don't have to move the wall with the kitchen. You can just put the door in an ugly way. Close to the wall. On the one hand, without any casing and beading. Only it will not even open 90 degrees, and a normal doorknob will play hooks with Patchouli's clothes.
We'll have to put a sunken into the door leaf or something like a door knocker.

I have exactly the same door made in the bedroom, opening at 87 degrees. The door handle does not cling to anything at all and does not interfere, I do not go close to it. I installed a stop on the floor behind the door so that the door handle would not hit the wall. A perfectly normal solution.

If for some reason the door to the kitchen had to be put badly, and with a regular handle it opens less than 90 degrees, then from the "modern" solutions there are, for example, the following:


The creations of the Chinese light industry. I haven't tried it myself, I can't say anything about them, I just know that there are such in nature.

More time-tested and familiar to many from Soviet times, the design of the handle for a kitchen door is a ring handle or a door knocker:

Such a good one, quite flat, it was inexpensive in Merlin:

I have exactly the same door made in the bedroom, opening at 87 degrees.

And my parents had a door in their apartment, which was forcedly installed in an ugly way (it is simply impossible to make a selection), even as it played "hooks" with a handle with our clothes. Mom tore the pockets on the dressing gowns regularly until the knocker was replaced with the door knocker.

You probably have a door 80 cm wide in your room, so it doesn't want to play hooks with you. The passage is wider, clothes do not touch the handle.
And the 70th door still can, because the passage is narrower.

Why should the door be opened 90 degrees?
Yes, the door is at 80, but if it was at 70, then the handle would not interfere either. I even tried to go into the bedroom to touch the handle - it didn't work. It can be seen that each case is individual))))))

[Svetta]

Svetta, well, at least for the introduction of technology there.

[Svetta]

Svetta, well, at least for the introduction of technology there.

Maybe. I don't have a door in the kitchen at all. And all the furniture, including the Soviet huge coffin-wardrobe, was brought into the bedroom with this door and there were no inconveniences. The bedroom was at first the mother-in-law's room with her furniture, then we changed the furniture, pulled back and forth and the door did not interfere.

I don't want Patchouli to paint the kitchen door in an ugly way. New apartment, Litny house, free planning, and suddenly - the door was installed as in some old small apartment.
Patchouli has, however, not so much space there either. But still better "workers" Stalin and Khrushchev will be.

I don't want Patchouli to paint the kitchen door in an ugly way. New apartment, Litny house, free planning, and suddenly - the door was installed in an ugly way ...

Are there any canons for installing doors? And besides you, does anyone else think it's ugly? It is done as conveniently, and not according to someone else's opinion. I see the bevel of the corner of the room as ugly, but you insist on it. And the decision is to take Patchouli.

[Anchic]

Anchic, and you did not answer my question.
You changed your mind about making a bevel in the kitchen, and with your husband decided to put a column with an oven at the door to the kitchen. But there, according to the dimensions that you gave, a very small distance is obtained between the oven and the "main" line of the headset.
If memory serves, you have 1.55 meters from the corner to the door frame, excluding finishing.
0.6 meters depth of the "main" line + 0.6 column with the oven, remains 0.35 for the rough finish and the module between the oven and the "main" line.
Not enough .... Will you be a shaman with a door, so that you can make a bigger distance between the oven and the sink?

besides you, does anyone else think this is ugly?

Yes. The topic even included a link to a video where it was chewed finely, and what was wrong with doors without flanges.

I see the bevel of the corner of the room as ugly, but you insist on it.

Where do I insist on this? A quote with a link, please.

I see the bevel of the corner of the room as ugly, but you insist on it. And the decision is to take Patchouli.

And now also this quote from my message, which is on this page, comment, please, be most attentive. ))))

I don't really respect bevels either, I prefer right angles, I just offer different options and write about their pros and cons. Many people like the bevels.

Svetlana, well, where in this photo is the wardrobe with a full wall 3.61 meters in the Patchouli room, which you proposed to make?
You won't get a coupe there with its size. In the best case, you will get cabinets with swing facades and a depth of about 55 cm along this entire wall. And they are not very good under outerwear.

In these apartments - and I saw more than a dozen of them and did repairs in two of them - there will be no other options. Sliding wardrobe full on the wall 361cm. About one meter for a door swing and a wardrobe of any length from 180 cm to 250 cm in length. In this place, the cabinet does not interfere with anyone or anything. We're talking about a plan without moving the entrance to the living room.

[Patchouli_ t123]

Patchouli_ t123, Something I'm confused by your kitchen size. (Yes, I am switching to "you", as you suggested in PM).
First, there was a plan on which the following dimensions were indicated against the wall with the door to the kitchen:
98 wall to the left of the doorway in the direction of travel to the kitchen, 80 - doorway, 39 - wall to the right of the doorway.
It turned out that the total length of the wall was 217 cm.

Then a new plan appeared with dimensions: 103.5 pillar to the left of the doorway in the direction of travel to the kitchen, 36.5 - pillar to the right of the doorway, the size of the doorway is not specified. If we assume that it is 80 cm under the 70th door, then the total length of the wall is 220 cm.
The wall has grown by three centimeters.

And do you remember that in the kitchen there is not enough at all to stick a 50 cm wide table between the refrigerator and the ventilation box, on which you can put a small narrow microwave.

Question. Which one is correct? Hand-sized kalyaks, I cannot make out.What is the width of the doorway? What are the dimensions of the walls in reality?

IMHO and is it SO necessary to move the walls? For the sake of hanging your clothes loose?

Yeah, of course - you have to complicate your life and empty the wallet at the same time
All my life, clothes somehow hung in wardrobes, the depth of which, according to Soviet standards, was 500 mm. A compartment with a depth of 600 mm has about the same inside. If it is a pity to "shork" expensive products such as fur coats and sheepskin coats, then normally they should be kept in covers.
In addition, clothes become more compact in the case.

And all the furniture, including the Soviet huge coffin-wardrobe, was brought into the bedroom with this door and there were no inconveniences.

For good reason, furniture should be brought in disassembled and assembled in the room. I have a wardrobe 2500x2300x600 in my bedroom, what kind of door do I need to have to bring it in? They assembled the case on the bedroom floor, then gently and smoothly raised it so as not to touch the stretch ceiling. Then the facades were installed. It is about 300 mm from wall to wall and to the ceiling.
Furniture is not a refrigerator, it can always be disassembled and reassembled.
The main thing is that inseparable elements, such as a mattress, non-separable armchairs, benches, etc., go through the door.