Furniture for kitchen

I saw where the sewer outlet was, but I could not determine the distance to the corner from the video. I did not see the exit under the hood at all.

there is a pipe with a plug, you can shorten it, you can lengthen it, the exit is in the corner. The plumber left in the arss account that he will be adjusted when it becomes clear where the sink will be.
Ventilation pipe in the ceiling at a distance of 730mm from the right wall in the centers



so you probably have UWB, and I have a tape
Girls, I am vitally interested in your help, but I have cucumbers .. dogs .. soaked .. waiting .. I'll fly them into the jar right now and run ..

[Elena]

Except for gas. Gas had to be pulled along the ceiling and along the wall in order to make a normal exit in the kitchen. And the balloon also entered from the underground

the dogs .. are soaked .. waiting .. I'll fly them right now into the jar and run ..

dogs What are you guilty of?
Phai cucumbers, leave the dogs




Elena, attached to the old house, tied the foundation. Rubble stone near mine. The pit was dug so that it was possible to walk under the floor. Just like others.

[Aunt Besya]

Aunt Besya, and in a large room with a stove do not want to put a larger dining table, but in the kitchen a small four-thread, such as a bar counter?
The sister's in the country house is like that. The U-shaped kitchen, however, is P-not where Lelka describes it, but is braided around the window, which shocks me a little. I always get culture shock from batteries barricaded with furniture, but that's her business. I set it as I liked it.
Not the point. The kitchen did not fit a full dining table. They put up a bar counter. They have a snack behind her. A large family gathers to eat at a large round table in the living room. Moreover, her to the living room is even a little further than yours. You have it adjacent to the kitchen. And she also has a small hall between the kitchen and the living room, in which there is a staircase to the second floor, a door to a guest bathroom, a door to a guest bedroom.
Well, that is, with plates from the kitchen to the table is far away. But ... The family is big, there is someone to carry dishes from the kitchen and back, I did not notice that my sister was very stressed about the long distance between the kitchen and the large dining table.

small, like a bar counter?

not convenient

Probably it will, only bar counters are not mine, I hate bar stools. A small table by the window to drink tea and have breakfast on occasion .. But where in the room there is a place for a table, I don’t see .. The sofa will remain where it is now, the stove, respectively, too. To the right of the entrance to the room, a wardrobe is planned, to the left with respect to the entrance (that is, opposite the kitchen) is a door-window, an exit to the terrace, you cannot block it with furniture. Two columns with glass for dishes and a TV set on a low cabinet are planned against the wall closer to the entrance to the kitchen. Armchairs by the fireplace

not convenient

Who would argue that a bar counter or a table that looks like a bar counter is not very suitable for family dinners. To have a snack with a sandwich and a cup of coffee, if everything is in order with your legs and it is not difficult to climb a high perch - namana. And borsch sip, of course, is better at a normal table, and not at a narrow and high counter.

Probably it will, only bar counters are not mine, I hate bar stools. A small table by the window for tea and breakfast on occasion ..

And I brought in the topic small semi-oval side tables, which are of normal height and only 60 cm wide. They look like a bar counter, but a little wider and low.

[Elena]

Elena, you need to carve out a place for a table by the window.
You need to draw. Try it yourself in a checkered notebook

semi-oval side tables,

you can even make folding ones, too. Depends on the location.
We have a three-ruble note on Kolomenskaya kitchen and not five meters. So they made such a folding table for mom, size 60 by 60. From the wall, the block protruded about five cm. But it was very convenient. There was a work table.

My son has such a table, something in between a table and a counter ... no, I don’t nafig! Although I came up with a medal for him. Moreover, a microwave lives inside this hybrid from the kitchen side.
Damn, and then I looked, it seems normal .. Only I have a window there ..
And in my kitchen like this, I do not like

I hate bar stools

And I don't really like bar counters. But there are people who do not see their kitchen without a bar counter, and consider the counter useful. When men are engaged in kitchen planning, it happens that they really want it.
They see it this way. A friend of severe days stands at the stove, and he sits like this at the bar, alone or with a friend, sips wine, eats cheese and Braungshwey sausage, and admires a woman. When you hint to such a person that a woman, in fact, at the stove may be all covered in soap, and she may be completely uncomfortable and unpleasant that while she is plowing there, two healthy foreheads drill her back with their eyes, instead of helping, they are surprised ...
Well, or he imagines how he will drink beer with his friends at this bar, eat smoked sausages and watch football on TV. Or that he will have parties at home, and it will be very convenient for guests at the bar counter.
Such cinematic fantasies, divorced from reality. ))))

And there are also people who recognize the disadvantages of a bar counter, but are ready to get by with it for a snack, just to make the kitchen working area more comfortable.
Bar stools of medium height are still nothing, sometimes very out of place. For example, they can be well suited for loggias with a high parapet. At the window on the loggia behind the windowsill, sit, drink a glass of tea or coffee, indulge in buns and survey the surroundings.

And in the subject of Odessa humor about bar counters.
"How to check if your bar has the right design":
🔗

And in my kitchen like this, I do not like

When the Blackouts kitchen was discussed, I brought in pictures of semi-oval side tables, very similar in shape to a bar counter, but of the usual height.
Minimum width and short length. We can say "like a bar counter".
For example, 60x110 or 100 on the table top:

And I don't really like bar counters. But there are people who do not see their kitchen without a bar counter, and consider the counter useful.

Do you think a 92 cm high bar counter will be very inconvenient? The kitchen is small, but you have to shove a lot. We want to put the curbstone by 60 cm and extend the table top to the side by 30 cm. We will get a 90x63 cm table with a console (we will not put additional support). It will be possible to sit from the side of 60 cm with comfort, and if you really itch, then from the long side. We eat everything at different times. Will it be very inconvenient? You can, of course, put a small table, but the idea with extra. I really like the curbstone

[Aunt Besya]

Do you think a 92 cm high bar counter will be very inconvenient?

I think that you should aim at home at a place on a model from some boxes, or visiting friends who have a counter, or somewhere in democratic eateries with real bar counters, where they will not look at you like crazy, if you climb to measure the height and width of the rack with a tape measure, is the height 92 cm very inconvenient for you.

In my apartment where we now live, on the loggia, the height of the window sill is 110 cm. That is, the height of such a classic bar counter. The width of the window sill is 20 cm. And so that one could sit on the loggia near the window sill, I bought two ikeevsky folding high bar stools.
Such:

Fanerka, shelezyaki.
They do not shine with elegance and comfort, yes.
When I jump on them in some kind of silk robe, I gradually crawl off the seat.
But for a small narrow loggia, it is the most when you need to free up space for something (for example, for washing windows or installing floor drying on the loggia).Folded it - and you don't have to drag a healthy chair into the room.

In warm, not hot weather, a husband can sit on the loggia for hours, he is comfortable there and likes it. No, I can't stand it for more than half an hour on a bar stool. And after a knee injury, it’s not very comfortable for me to climb the high perch.

This is a very individual matter, the height of the rack, at which it is more or less tolerable to sit.




Aunt Besya, I have watched your video again attentively, especially where the "small" wall by the window is shown. These are moments 1-13 and 1-31 videos. I got the impression that this wall is about 30 cm deep (that is, I mean the distance from the window frame to the corner looks like 30 cm) and at least 50 wide (that is, I'm talking about the distance from the corner to the arch to the kitchen) ...
From the side of the living room in the corner near this wall there is a video table with a laptop. The table is hardly less than 50 cm deep. And on the side of the kitchen there is a rosette on the "small" wall, which is usually about 8 cm wide, and which by eye on this wall are at least 4.
If my guess about the size of the wall is correct, then you yourself have come up with a problem with the fact that there is nowhere to put a multicooker and microwave, because you do not remember all the sizes of your kitchen. In fact, there is where. You need to put a table in that corner. Hang a small microwave over the table. Place the multicooker on the table. And the kettle, as Bijou said here, fits perfectly on 70 countertops and does not interfere with work.
And there is no need to redo the ready-made conclusions for the hood, transfer the sockets and redo the plumbing and sewerage wiring.
Here will be all sizes - then we will check if my guess is correct.
And without a plan with dimensions, mine cannot count and draw.

Do you think a 92 cm high bar counter will be very inconvenient?

Was at a party, where instead of a table there is a bar. It seemed very uncomfortable to climb onto chairs. It is no longer as easy as getting up and sitting in a regular chair. And if the bar stools are light, they still tend to fall at the same time. After this visit, I categorically do not recommend such constructions to anyone.

We can say "like a bar counter".
For example, 60x110 or 100 on the table top:

And I have a 60x105 table in my kitchen and, being naive, my whole life I considered it a normal table, and not a variant of a low bar counter

Measurements, but in that corner there is a double switch, there is no outlet

[Niarma]

Niarma, "bar counter type" is not the same as "bar counter type".
Well, it looks like. The shape of the countertop is similar to some bar counters. The length is similar to some bar counters. It is quite narrow in width, the language does not turn to be called a dinner table. And the height is not at all bar, but dining.




Aunt Besya, yes, and about your arch, a meter wide, is also unclear. A meter is a pokudova?
Framing the arch? Or is the meter the width of the passage, plus the framing?

And what does the archway have to do with it, are we interested in the walls?

And what does the archway have to do with it, are we interested in the walls?

The location of the passage to the arch is interesting for what size the table can be stuck by the window without altering the planned kitchen so that it does not crawl out onto the line of movement into the kitchen.




The video shows that from the side of the living room near the arch there is a table and does not crawl out beyond the arch.
On the other side there is a kitchen, a window, a convector, which is not on the video and on the plan, and about which one had to guess, curtains, which are not on the video either, and about which one must also guess.
Because of the convector and curtains, you can't put a table as close to the wall as in the living room, you have to step back from the wall.
How, without a plan indicating the location of the opening in the kitchen, the size and location of the convector, can you calculate whether the table will crawl into the passage or not?



Let us suppose. There will be no global rework. There will be a kitchen not U-shaped, and not L-shaped, but two-row. On the left in the corner in the direction of travel to the kitchen, as I will draw you along additional modules. And by the window a small dining table.



Draw a plan, a normal plan. And then if you compare the sketch of the measurer and the plan of the room, then the length of the furniture for the kitchen together with the refrigerator and the length of the room coincide to a millimeter.
How shoud I understand this? Do you have a miracle refrigerator 65 cm wide, as indicated in the measurer's sketch, to open which, when installed in a corner, you do not need to lay any space and which pokes into the corner without any gaps?
Or is it necessary to telepathicize that the refrigerator is actually 60 cm wide, but left + 5 cm to open the door?

Received! I measure the length by the length of the wall, from the wall to the casing of the window on both sides, the width of the arch according to the internal dimensions, a piece at the arch to the right of the window, the height of the window sill, the dimensions of the convector (depth, width, length), everything?
The curtain is also removed for the time of painting

[Aunt Besya]

Aunt Besya, from him! The table is working. This was, only the corners are smoothed))) Me)))!

Kitchen furniture # 8560

[3260]

And if you also sum up the width of the modules on the measurer's sketch and compare it with your floor plan and the total length of furniture for the kitchen and refrigerator indicated in the sketch, then everything is completely fun.
650 refrigerator (strange width, okay) + 150 bottle holder + 600 sink + 860 table + 600 oven, cooking + 400 table with small drawers = 3260.
I checked the calculator several times, not believing my eyes. )))) Calculate the amount yourself. )))
The measurer in terms of the total length of furniture and refrigerator - 3160.
You have in plan the total length of the room - 3160.

Well, what do you want with such initial data in the form of a sketch and an incomplete plan of forum members here can advise and ponavayat?
Are you your own enemy or what?

I measure

All! All ledges, cashed. Height before and after the windowsill. Where are the skirting boards and sockets. Is it possible to move the sockets a little.
Your task is to mentally imagine yourself at the table. First the table, then we build the furniture. A table for your beloved, comfortable and beautiful. otherwise it will be annoying and you will redo everything.

Because of the convector and curtains, you can't put a table as close to the wall as in the living room, you have to step back from the wall.

I think Lena will quickly make Roman blinds out of these curtains to the windowsill and not to the floor)))

Yes, and what dimensions will the refrigerator have, and how much space does this refrigerator need on the side when installed in a corner, so that the door opens normally, drawers slide out of the freezer and shelves are removed?

I think Lena will quickly make Roman blinds out of these curtains to the windowsill and not to the floor)))

Yes, the curtains are okay. Lena's convector won't go anywhere. Covering the convector with furniture is not good. It is necessary to leave a gap so that warm air rises to the window.

[Aunt Besya]

I think the convector can be hung anywhere. She has a wireframe. Very heat-saving design. The third year we winter, the third year the battery is turned off under the window as unnecessary. The room is 25 meters. 1 battery. Lena is not going to spend the winter. Therefore, it is just dry to do it - you can hang it on the wall, where the place will be



Aunt Besya, Elenaand what kind of windows you have. What packages. Heat and energy saving. Or ordinary ones?

[Patchouli]

I'll also scold Pachula. Patchouli, when will you correct the plan of the apartment, which you laid out the last time, and in which "I did not poke the mouse so well, so" oh ", the dimensions are slightly different"?
Are you your own enemy? Or do you think that people will strain a lot, comparing the previous kitchen plan with the new one and digging up the answers to clarifying questions, where do you have a shield, water outlets and sewer risers? The walls in the kitchen have changed on the new plan. The thickness of the box has changed, the box has "grown thin" by 7 centimeters. Tell me, who besides you should be very concerned about the correctness, accuracy, completeness and readability of the plan?

Girls, why are you so with the plans of your own dwellings.
Like Vinokur. "Hello, I brought complicated notes here. Look, please, because we have little time ... Play here, don't play here, there is a fat spot here, I wrapped fish, this is my own business" ...