Medtech
Quote: elenvass
a staircase is a few steps height difference in the kitchen,
Thus, you get 4 rooms and a kitchen, without lighthouses the rumba will be uncomfortable in your apartment, I would advise you to look towards Nito / BotvaK, possibly Klebo Arte, then towards the rumba and then Samsung and LV, then of course pure Chinese. I hope you understand that robots are not for cleaning once a week, they have to work more often and will be able to maintain a certain level of cleanliness between large cleanings that will take place with less effort or much less frequently.
Medtech
In my robopark an addition, Neato-XV21,
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one of the regulars of this forum sold me her unexpectedly bent robot for an inexpensive price, the robot was repaired from the remains of another similar robot and is now regularly working on my fertile field, generously flavored with a black cat that is forever molting. He has taken the rightful place for the time being, which are working tirelessly with brushes in the fight against wool, since Neato is a robot with a scraper, it is with great difficulty that he digests my 23mm difference between floor levels and periodically he needs to give a kick for the first time to confidently overcome, after the first arrival already aware that you can get there and no longer drives straight, but at an angle and this difference does not pose a problem for him. My wife did not like it, it makes a lot of noise, because we have to launch it in our presence, collects dust and wool well, but decided to drive it around for a month and evaluate the amount of wool and debris for comparison with points. In some places, he makes a mess, he has to raise curtains and curtains behind which he does not drive in, he does not touch furniture, unlike robots with a bumper, because of curtains and nooks he cannot get into, he blows out pieces of wool and often in those places that he has already removed and this garbage lies before next cleaning, since I start the robot every day, it is almost everywhere clean, with the exception of those places to which it did not reach, it is a pity that it does not have a side brush, it would be cleaner from the first pass. In the new version of Botvak, the side brush is already present and the operating time from one charge has greatly increased.
His relative Kobold also came out with a new version of the robot, until we have Kobold 200VR

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Nino4ka
I also want to insert my five cents. a year and a half with DeeBot D76 - cleans itself, easy to program, powerful, you need to clean 3-4 times a week, if you turn it on every day. Of the minus - so-so side brushes, soft body, and so everything suits)
Medtech
Nino4ka, please tell us about the apartment, what kind of coverings, how many rooms, total area, are there any animals, how often do you change the garbage bag or clean the base, how often do you clean the robot itself, how does it treat long hair, does it always come to the base? There is very little real information about deBots.
Bes7vetrov
Good evening, members of the forum! Finally, I scraped together some money for a robot and ... I was lost in the choice
Available: budget 10-15 thousand (preferably 10-11, and I want to buy an enemy mixer for the rest with the addition); one-room apartment - 37 square meters according to the passport, the dog is always shedding and, accordingly, its bowls on a stand, two long-haired people. Missing: carpets, curtains.
I looked after myself in the spring of rumba 620, but at the moment I came to the conclusion that the panda x500 has great functionality for almost the same price and, in principle, does a good job with the responsibilities assigned to it. Looking now at the x500go sales sites, I found the Panda x550 professional.It seems like the battery capacity has been increased in it, the block of side brushes has been modified (they do not touch the wheel), the possibility of wet cleaning has been added (a damp cloth on the bottom of the vacuum cleaner) and a UV lamp, ahhh ... most importantly, the suction capacity is increased to 60-80W. It is offered in white and black for the price of x500.
Nobody heard about this modification? Should I take it?
Bes7vetrov
Yeah, and about the dusty online store. no anyone heard?
Medtech
Bes7vetrov, 37m, will remove, with such a power it’s lying, with such a power the robot consumes a current of 5A from the battery, but about another 1A is needed for the wheels and for all kinds of sensors and side brushes, and with a battery capacity of 3A \ h it can work for 15-20 minutes , so they lie. Do not rely on a bactericidal effect, if the lamp is covered with protective glass, then this is an imitation, UV does not pass through transparent plastic, only through quartz or UV glass, the Chinese are trash. Unfortunately, in terms of cross-country ability, it's better to look for real reviews, I recently read such a review, there is another review in the body that the user wrote that he took my rumba for rent, he also had a Chinese, these are real reviews, not for money or for the seller's cookies.
Take a better 6xx rumba and it will serve you for 5 years, get bored already because during this time new, more advanced devices will appear, and it still works and works, you can take a 5/6 rumba, it will cost you half of a new one, and the resource they are very large and much more is embedded in the brain.
Of course, you can handle 500 and 550 Pahda, because one room, a moistened napkin for a robot without navigation is not very good, although it helps in cleaning flaws, even a dry napkin is better to fix, the quality improves, but there will be gaps, the Chinese algorithm is far from rumba. For the first robot it will certainly do.

Bes7vetrov
Sergey, thanks for the answer.
A damp cloth and a UV lamp are funny. I don't even take these functions into account. But at the expense of the second-hand rumba ... the new 650 is more expensive than my budget ..., in the 620 there is no programming, although ... is it necessary? And I'm afraid to take a used one, maybe the battery is already dead or some other problem ..
In the end, I never made progress in choosing a vacuum cleaner in three months, as Panda decided? -Rumba? So I decide ... But also mixer kitchenovsky manual
Medtech
There are also modifications 700 and 800, almost like that of the iRobot, the permeability seems to be increased, and the body there is also in some changes, but still it is the same robot, two side brushes, a fan with a scraper and a very simple algorithm, a rumba with it looks like an intellectual, although it is also called stupid by the owners of robots with navigation. Look in the direction of the 380 braava, the robot floor polisher, it has 2 modes, dry and wet cleaning, runs quickly on dry and sequentially collects everything on a napkin, in wet mode it repeats the movements with a mop, back and forth in one place, wet cleaning, my wife likes it, very quiet and with navigation, does not go here and there, seemingly absolutely stupid.
Bes7vetrov
I don't even consider Bravia, because the robot's task is to collect dog hair, of which there is a lot, and this napkin will catch on the parquet board "modified" by Norin's claws and will remain to dry near the computer))).
While I'm thinking ... I'll look at the ads on Avito, although I'm afraid that I, fair-haired, will be divorced once or twice ... Although I was lucky with multi-cut
Medtech
Bes7vetrov, look at the PM.
Nino4ka
Quote: Medtech

Nino4ka, please tell us about the apartment, what kind of coverings, how many rooms, total area, are there any animals, how often do you change the garbage bag or clean the base, how often do you clean the robot itself, how does it treat long hair, does it always come to the base? There is very little real information about deBots.

2 rooms - laminate and carpet (the pile is small, about 1 cm, no more (I just heard that if 2 or more cm, then the robot does not clean everything and can periodically get stuck somewhere on it - it happened for a friend))
no animals
the bag was changed 2 times, the batteries - 1 time, after 14 months of use
I just wipe the robot once a week and that's it (dust sticks to it a lot)
to the base, yes, he always comes.
and no one in the family has long hair)) up to my shoulders)) - like I have not found anywhere
I still clean it with a regular vacuum cleaner every 7-10 days
Nymph
Medtech, I'm glad they fixed Nito - I would have it idle now even in working order - because of its noise.
What a fine fellow you are! Our local craftsmen and my husband in their company with great difficulty disassembled it, kissed the board iiiiii ..... after scratching their turnips with a smart look, they turned everything back - after that it even stopped turning on.
and you brought him back to life
Medtech
NymphThank you, I'm glad too, but I had parts. Wife, like you, does not like it either, it makes a noise like a jet plane. But his next model, BotvaK, makes much less noise and cleans longer, and most importantly, it has a side brush and the cleaning algorithm has changed somewhat, users are delighted with it, I would even say in an aggressive delight, they say that there is no cleaner robot better than it. I will also take them 2 weeks, I really want to get the result in a month to compare with other robots, my apartment as a test.
* Tanya *
Bes7vetrov, I have an X500, it suits me, it cleans the three rubles well, everything is perfectly clean, I'm glad that there is no need to clean the brushes. I took just on the site. There is no dust. no Sent very quickly, there is a guarantee with a seal, put spare side brushes in the kit and a nerofilter (or hapi, I don't know how it is spelled correctly)
I am happy for him every day, we want to take him to visit my mother for a test on the carpet and to get to know the cat
Medtech
* Tanya *, please tell me, what service center do you provide a guarantee, is there any address?
How is your glass washing robot doing? accustomed?
* Tanya *
Sergei, about the service center, I'll tell you how I get home (now at work). And the glass washer is also happy, very, very happy that I bought
At first, my husband was against it, he said, I would never agree to such an unnecessary thing, you will wash it yourself with your hands. And now he looks at the result of the washer and agrees that my pens at this time can do another useful thing.
Alenka212
And who knows how to apply the restrictive tape for Iklebo:
1.can this skein be cut into pieces (it is quite large),
2. Should the tape be laid on the floor or fixed perpendicular to the floor?
Even I'm dull
Medtech
Alenka212, put it with a cut up, you can cut it into pieces, put it on the floor, you can fix it on double-sided tape
Alenka212
The tape does indeed block the robot's path. I can't get enough of my smart girl. He always returns to the base, never got lost. Although we have many rooms and nooks.
I turned it on this morning when I went to work. I'll look at the result. Not without funny things. The cat is very partial to its long side brushes, and strives to pull its paw.
vernisag
And I constantly get entangled in the wires, does not like the corners of carpets, long curtains, narrow passages ... In short, I go and constantly save, the thread will always crawl and even poke around, well, like swearing like a small child ...
irman
And thanks to the vacuum cleaner, they took all the wires from me, otherwise they were always dangling under my feet and could not force them to clean them in any way. here.
Medtech
Quote: vernisag

And I constantly get entangled in the wires, does not like the corners of carpets, long curtains, narrow passages ... In short, I go and constantly save, the thread will always crawl and even poke around, well, like swearing like a small child ...
vernisag What is your robot, if not a secret? How many rooms? are there any animals?
irman If it's not difficult, tell us about your robot, how long have you been using it, which model, how many rooms does it clean, does it manage to clean all the rooms on one charge, are there thresholds, animals and carpets?
irman
I have a Panda A320, it has been working for the second year, charging is enough for two hours. Cleans a 3-room apartment with an area of ​​almost 90 sq. m. There are thresholds in all rooms, so I have to move it.
vernisag
I also have a panda, the current is different than Irina's, without brushes. There are two cats at home, one very slicker, infection fluffy. A vacuum cleaner cannot cope with wool on carpets, since it does not comb out, but simply stupidly sucks. Of course it collects wool from the bare floor. I clean the carpets with an ordinary vacuum cleaner, comb them out with a brush, and rarely start the panda. I consider it so, a trifle, a toy, I rarely use it ...
irman
I don't have any animals, but I shed like a cattle myself, so Pandochka helps me out, cleans carpets well.
vernisag
I used to, too, only noticed our daughters' hair, but now only Askins are around and everywhere. All of it is in my tangles, shave her forehead?
Medtech
Quote: Irman

There are thresholds in all rooms, so I have to move it.
irman, please tell me, are the thresholds all high? it seemed to me that 320 is very close to Rumba and should jump thresholds up to 25 mm, I have a sad DC-VC709 🔗 which did not climb on my only rectangular threshold, I added springs to the wheels and it became very playful and looks like a rumba, it began to easily overcome my threshold. Housekeeping of course kills the whole name robot, we get a cleaning machine. \

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vernisag It's a pity that you chose the Panda 500 series, Rumba 620-650 or 5xx used would be more suitable for you, I had to clean my only carpet for about 15 minutes from wool, the old rumba copes with it perfectly, it looks quite fresh. I was just lucky that my first robot was a rumba, although now there are several Chinese, they look condescending against the background of rumba ...
Sonadora
Quote: Irman
I have no living creatures, but I shed like a cattle myself, so Panda helps me out
So, before buying a robot vacuum cleaner, I was completely sure that all the hair in the house was from a cat. But, as it turned out, according to the hair that winds up with fair constancy on the turbo brush, the wool is mine.
Medtech
Quote: Sonadora

So, before buying a robot vacuum cleaner, I was completely sure that all the hair in the house was from a cat. But, as it turned out, according to the hair that winds up with fair constancy on the turbo brush, the wool is mine.
Sonadora If it's not a secret what is your Samsung? daily problems only in hair wound on a turbo brush? How many rooms do you have, a couple of "animals", it is clear what is there, how often do you run the robot? How often do you clean the brush and the trash can, and what turned out to be pleasant and unpleasant in your robot?
Alenka212
vernisag, I have been choosing a robot model for so long that now it is my very first assistant. He walks through all the rooms himself, he has to wear only from one floor to another, he always returns to the base. The carpet, if you run it at least every other day, does not have to be cleaned with a vacuum cleaner and then with a steam generator. Of course there is wool from two long-haired and one Persian "animals". But you can't see it, the carpet looks well-groomed.
vernisag
Well, when I just bought my "little animal", I ran it every day, the result was of course, I do not argue. But you have to be at home, near and constantly pick him out of the places in which he gets stuck. Now I do not have time for this and it is easier for me to vacuum in 10 minutes with an ordinary vacuum cleaner.
Elena, and what kind of vacuum cleaner do you have?
Sergei, I know that rumbas are better, but they cost twice as much.
Medtech
vernisag better, worse, there are just robots for people, and there are robots for a tick, in these robots everything is done for a tick, so that the user, when choosing, can count the ticks and say how good I have a lot of ticks in the properties of the robot, but unfortunately all these ticks are not replace the real case.
You tell me what kind of robot you have, because people will buy and they will also be unhappy, and forewarned means armed. Many do not even know. I have a lot of information on robots, and your assessment also contributes to my knowledge base to help people choose robots.
And Rumba is not always better, it all depends on the conditions, apartment and user requests.
irman
Quote: Medtech

irman, please tell me, are the thresholds all high?
Yes, the thresholds are all high, 4.5 cm.
vernisag
Quote: Medtech
Tell me what kind of robot you have
Duc, Panda X500
Sonadora
Quote: Medtech
If it's not a secret what is your Samsung? daily problems only in hair wound on a turbo brush? How many rooms do you have, a couple of "animals", it is clear what is there, how often do you run the robot? How often do you clean the brush and the trash can, and what turned out to be pleasant and unpleasant in your robot?
Sergei, Samsung Navibot Silencio SR8895. Two rooms, parquet, tiles, no carpets, except for the rug by the front door and the rug with shoes.
The base is in the back room, from which the vacuum cleaner leaves into the corridor and further into the next room and into the kitchen. He always returns himself. There are no lighthouses.
It came with two Virtualguard devices that have two modes of operation: a virtual door or a virtual wall. In fact, it turned out that these two modes are almost identical. In both cases, the vacuum cleaner cannot overcome the "line" indicated by the guard. By the way, the batteries in these very guards run out in a week, even if you use (on / off) the guards only during cleaning. Now I don't use them at all, in fact, it turned out to be easier to remove the cat with water from the floor.
The robot is cleaned daily, constantly in turbo and wall cleaning modes. One battery charge lasts for 45-50 minutes. During this time, he manages to run throughout the apartment. I will not say about large garbage, this does not happen with me, but with dust along the baseboards, fluff, wool, sand in the corridor and filler from a cat litter box, it successfully copes, as well as with a ride on a low rug with a hard pile. I clean the dust collector and turbo brush every 2-3 days, it takes a maximum of five minutes.
To be honest, I didn't quite understand why the kit includes a microfiber nozzle. Judging by the instructions, you can only use it dry. However, with a wet nozzle, I tried to start it: there were stains on the floor.
In general, the unit copes with its functions as an electric broom, I now take out a large vacuum cleaner once a week.
Medtech
Sonadora Thank you very much for your opinion, very detailed and interesting, my cat is heavy and the robots just push it to the wall and that's it, I sometimes use the virtual wall from the rumba, here the batteries work for six months, but I put lithium batteries in there and I don't even I remember when I put them there. Microfiber can simply be attached to the robot, even if it goes dry with it, the quality improves, collects what you did not pick up. The same is used by many robots and put a tick about what now wet cleaning can do, but this is just a tick in the advertisement. In reality, this microfiber is used by AYKleb workers, they drive with microfiber on dry, dust collects on it.
Alenka212
vernisag, I have Jklebo Arte. I chose it because it was necessary to clean it up on my own, when my family and I were not at home, and I myself coped with cleaning all the rooms and nooks and crannies on the floor, moving over the carpets. It has the functions I need: programming a specific start time for cleaning and overcoming thresholds. In the mode of overcoming thresholds, he successfully copes with the carpet and its fringes. In floor polisher mode (with microfiber, which for some reason I haven’t tried yet, thanks Medtech, for a hint) it probably does not work.
I saved it only once, when, during a test drive, I caught a coil of thin wires from a home theater. I didn't have the patience to wait for it to be free or not. Now the wires are up and there are no problems. My husband even managed to launch it late in the evening in complete darkness. I can't check the quality of the cleaning at this time, but when we got home, he honestly cleaned the hallway (thanks to the bright LEDs, otherwise it would have been crushed).
Now a question for the owners of cats: what should be the cat cat so that the water does not spill during cleaning? (I don't want to move the feeding area to the windowsill or the like)
Medtech
Quote: Alyonka212
In the mode of overcoming thresholds, he successfully copes with the carpet and its fringes.In floor polishing mode (with microfiber, which for some reason I have not yet tried, it probably does not work.

In the floor polisher mode with a docked platform for installing a cloth, you cannot turn on the threshold overcoming mode, it will not go to carpets either, in general and correctly, it will get stuck. Some users always run with a dry cloth, dust also collects on it, but this is done by those who do not have carpets and thresholds higher than 5 mm.
vernisag

Everyone seems to be happy with their robots, but I ...? Maybe I'm just picky. Or he really does not cope with my functions ...
elenvass
Medtech, what can you say about this model 🔗
Medtech
elenvass, This is a close copy of the 4xx rumba, people use the 400 version all over America, they still trade on ebee, but regarding the 5xx or 6xx, 7xx and especially 880 rumba - no, this is a robot for beginners, to understand and try, it will clean up a little you will suffer when cleaning and getting stuck, the old algorithm is very simple, it is difficult to get out of traps.
It will work, but everything in it is made for show or for small one-room apartments, if you have a one-room apartment and little furniture, it will work well, the carpets will be cleaned completely. Not all robots fit your apartment, but not all robots fit mine either:
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You should add 10 more and buy the simplest 6xx series rumba, or used.
Medtech
Quote: vernisag

I have no husband, there is no one to remove the wires, but they, these wires, throughout the 3-room apartment are like a spider's web, everywhere ...
And I simply fence off the cat's bowls with a box, and from the same vacuum cleaner.
Everyone seems to be happy with their robots, but I ...? Maybe I'm just picky. Or he really does not cope with my functions ...
Although it is difficult, you need to admit to yourself, you just made a mistake in choosing a robot, not a single Chinese person is suitable for a three-ruble note, sell it if possible, better buy a vacuum cleaner with disposable bags and clean it yourself than suffer.
vernisag
I have a regular vacuum cleaner with bags.
Medtech
Do not get fooled by low prices on sites, do not use the services of a store where all branded robots are much cheaper than everywhere else, they simply are not there, after accepting an order, they try and often successfully reorient the buyer to Chinese robots, apparently they are the only ones there, sonorous names - AUTO WORKER and EASY CLEANING, dynamite, do not call back, here is a link to the opinion of one buyer:

I myself tried to buy a Kobold 100 there for 13000r, in the end I registered the application 2 times, I wanted to check how Panda would be sold to me, but apparently I really wanted a kobold and they did not offer me anything, after several days of waiting and several of my calls about the order they said that they could not put force majeure and kobold on me, they apologized, offered to see something else. It was necessary to order Trilobite from them, it also costs 40,000 on the site (this is the very first robot cleaner that was sold 15 years ago). Be careful when choosing suppliers.
Medtech
Neato XV-21 withdrawal from Light green coma.
The Neato XV-21 is a very advanced cleaning robot that uses a laser rangefinder as the primary orientation tool in an apartment. Recently, cases of refusal in the work of the robot and falling into a "light green coma" have become more frequent. The robot does not respond to button presses and, accordingly, does not want to work, numerous users in attempts to revive the robot have found several ways, this is a USB cable connection and the robot comes to life for a long time, but after a while the symptoms of the "Light green coma" overtake the poor robot and he freezes again, sometimes changing the batteries helped to revive the robot, but again for a short time. I have accumulated several boards from Neato XV-11, which also suffered from this pain. But since the boards were initially with unknown problems, it was not possible to figure out the problem, there was no working robot with a board for comparison and troubleshooting.But the world is not without kind people and in the vastness of this forum I came across Nymph, the owner of a faulty Neato XV-21 which was simply dropped from a small height and damaged the laser. No one in their city could cope with this malfunction and she sold me a robot at a low price by sending it by mail.
I quickly managed to fix the robot, since there was another laser unit from the faulty robot available, the robot started working and took part in an experiment to collect garbage in my apartment for 28 days, this is a whole mountain of garbage that was collected and weighed for comparison with another robot.
I got a working Neato XV-21
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and an intolerable desire to fight the "Light green coma". There was a user on Hobot who had already sent his Neato XV-11 to St. Petersburg where he had the board changed to a newer version, but upon returning back the robot worked 3-4 times and again fell into a "Light green coma". The USB connection brought the robot back to life for 5 more cleanings and after that it froze completely. I suggested that this user, at my expense, send a robot from Nizhny to Moscow in order to dig it and make sure of one guess, which has already begun to crystallize when reading the FAC and numerous topics on the Robot Review. Despite significant friction during our forum communication, the user waved his hand and sent me a robot.
His instinct did not deceive him, in just a couple of days I managed to consistently spend a lot of monotonous work to find out interesting points. Even without disassembling the working robot, it was possible to come to an elegant solution for restoring performance and getting out of the "Light green coma". The robot began to work stably, turn on and off and do what it was intended for, clean the apartment. The desire and self-confidence, supported by the research material, helped me and the owner of the Neato XV-21 with the "Light green coma" patient, the robot is cured and is being tested under normal conditions of daily cleaning.
vernisag
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Lope is a lot!
Who knows that ... We have a dozen multicooker in a row in the kitchen, and here are vacuum cleaners, a favorite toy ...
Alenka212
MedtechIt's great that you can diagnose and repair your assistants yourself. And here in the province you will not find such a master in the daytime with fire. Therefore, we only rely on the service, if anything ...
By the way, yesterday my Eugene, in Mach mode, wandered through 4 rooms and a hall (without any beacons) for 121 minutes. Then he left to charge. Never on a weekend have my floor and carpet been so clean! I love him more and more.
Medtech
Quote: Alyonka212
By the way, yesterday my Eugene, in Mach mode, wandered through 4 rooms and a hall (without any beacons) for 121 minutes.
It's almost like a passport, a good battery. Eugene robot has released a new silicone brush for Arte, in December it should already go on sale in Russia, they promise that there will be much less hair and wool to wrap around it, you can also buy pellet shakers, some users find dust pellets after cleaning, these shakers reduce the number of these spools, like they are handed out for free in service centers for owners of "white" robots. Call the nearest one and inquire about this promotion. One of the problems with Iklebo in the wheels, the robot starts to move out of the straight motion with each pass and, as a result, does not find the base when returning.

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