innaell
A friend just told me. that he also had such a thing, but it did not work for long. He took it apart, and inside everything was covered with scale, like in an advertisement for a washing machine and calgone. Unfortunately, the water in the region is very hard.
I thought ... What kind of water do you use? Normal? You can't buy distilled water Or maybe, by analogy with washing machines, it is sometimes necessary to run the steam cleaner with a solution of citric acid?
* Anyuta *
Quote: innaell


I thought ... What kind of water do you use? Normal? You can't buy distilled water Or maybe, by analogy with washing machines, it is sometimes necessary to run the steam cleaner with a solution of citric acid?

try pouring in already boiled water ... they advised me in the store to do this even when buying an iron.
* Anyuta *
Quote: avgusta24

Take into your ranks: girl_curtsey: Today I received a Clatronic DR 2930 steam generator. I have already tried to clean the tile joints, the oven door (inside) and went through the plumbing. For now, Tomorrow I will begin to study the whole Temka in detail in order to find out more precisely what my new assistant is capable of.

but my PG did not cope with the seams .. despite the fact that I previously "soaked" them with chemistry ... and the baseboards (wooden) are also easier for me to walk with a rag (five times faster), but the plastic baseboards -
Manna
If the water in the region is very hard, then it is better to boil and defend it a couple of times. Otherwise, scale will still form. Ideally, of course, distilled.

Anyut, with plastic skirting boards (albeit above the kitchen countertop) I got in trouble from a steam generator - they were slightly swollen - the plastic is probably not very high quality. But still ... I'd better warn you ... just in case ...
avgusta24
Can plastic windowsills be cleaned with them?
Manna
I was cleaning. No consequences
Natalia K.
Quote: manna

I was cleaning. No consequences
Likewise, also without consequences. Girls, I even walked along the polished wall, everything is ok. Only I fidgeted with a rag along the wall
avgusta24
And what kind of nozzle to clean the windowsill?
Manna
It depends on how dirty the window sill is. After the repair, I even cleaned with a round nozzle. Yana, and what kind of steam do you have? It has a wide brush head. You can do that. You can also put a rag on it. If it's dirty in the corners, then just a nozzle.
vernisag
And even I don't have such a thing, Mannochka, in my opinion, is also nada ... Only the whole topic is so lazy to read ... They just douse it with steam, and then wipe it with a cloth?
Manna
Yes, Irish, steam generators treat the surface with steam, there are nozzles with which you can wipe this surface, and then wipe it with a cloth.
There are very few steam vacuum cleaners, they themselves suck up our vazyuk, but they are standing ... mamadaragaya!
vernisag
Well, here you have which, I already looked at no one, one is small, and the other is a vacuum cleaner, right? 4700 worth ... or are they 10-19 thousand?
Manna
No, it is in the form of a vacuum cleaner, but does not suck in, but only generates steam (releases under pressure). Steam vacuum cleaners ... which are from 20 thous.

Here is the Karcher SV 1802 steam cleaner - 24,224 rubles.
Steam cleaner (steam generator)
vernisag
Spaaasiiiboooo! Chet uzho got sick ... But a small one like yours for 1300 rubles for the right one may be worth buying, so that not to scrub or scrape with any chemistry. Yes?
Stafa
Yesterday I noticed two oil stains on my down jacket, where it was caught. Previously, I would throw a down jacket into the wash, since the rubbing of stains as it always ended unsuccessfully and still washing. And yesterday I just cleaned those spots with a steam cleaner and there was no trace of them. I cleaned it with a nozzle and a cloth.
Manna
Quote: vernisag

Well, Mannochka, this is enough for me for minor needs, then Clatronic DR 2930 right?
For minor needs, of course, enough. You won't wash the floors for them, of course. And so ... wash the hood, stove, microwave, steam clothes, pillows, blankets, wash windows, dirt from hard-to-reach places ... it's easy
avgusta24
manna, I have a Clatronic DR 2930, it has two wide nozzles - one universal, the other for windows. But they are both without brushes. There is a separate small round brush.
Manna
Yana, you can put on a cover on the universal attachment and so tidy up the window sill if it is not very dirty. If hard, you can rub it with a round brush.
avgusta24
So I'll try round. The small one in the room when it was renovated, the window sill was simply ditched, nothing is washed. In the rest of the rooms there is just enough microfiber cloth, but here - so far I can’t do anything
Manna
If it's really bad, you can still lightly soap, and then with a steam, only it is better to open the window leaf.
tatjanka
Quote: Anina

Girls, what advice do you have for cleaning tile joints on the floor?
So the PG does a very good job. (y) Round brush head and forward to clean seams.
tatjanka
Quote: Anina

So which one to buy?
So here one is held in high esteem Clatronic DR 2930 (in Russia Boman). I can't say the jug is coping with this task? The girls will tell you.
Manna
Quote: Anina

Girls, what advice do you have for cleaning tile joints on the floor?
If the seams are heavily soiled, it may not wipe off the first time. But they will gradually clean up. Any steam generator will do it. If you don't plan to wash the floors, then small steam jugs will be enough. But keep in mind that for jugs, the brushes are round softer - they will come off faster in the trash (especially from tile seams), and they are not sold separately in Russia. At Karcher 1020 and more expensive models, brushes are stiffer, and you can buy them in addition. Brass brushes are also sold. So I would recommend Karcher. They can also wash tiled floors. And even (not very often) laminate.

Quote: tatjanka

So here one is held in high esteem Clatronic DR 2930 (in Russia Boman).
And in Russia, both Klatronic and Bohmann sell.
anina
Quote: manna

If the seams are heavily soiled, it may not wipe off the first time. But they will gradually clean up. Any steam generator will do it. If you don't plan to wash the floors, then small steam jugs will be enough. But keep in mind that for jugs, the brushes are round softer - they will come off faster in the trash (especially from tile seams), and they are not sold separately in Russia. At Karcher 1020 and more expensive models, brushes are stiffer, and you can buy them in addition. Brass brushes are also sold. So I would recommend Karcher. They can also wash tiled floors. And even (not very often) laminate.
And in Russia, both Klatronic and Bohmann sell.

Thank you, Karcher 1020 is a bit big for me. The seams are not very dirty.
Anyone using the MONSTER SC20-S-1200W steam cleaner? What are the reviews?
Clatronic DR 2930 (in Russia Boman) is the same thing?
Manna
Yes, Clathronic and Bomann are one and the same. Few people use Monster. Reviews are conflicting.
* Anyuta *
I didn't even wash the seams on the wall (using chemistry) ... though I didn't use a brush .. Nodo will try it!
Manna
Anyut, you didn't wash the seams on the walls, because they were covered with limescale. And on the floor, if, of course, it is not periodically heated, there is no such plaque, and such seams are easier to wash
Asya Klyachina
Quote: Anina

Thank you, Karcher 1020 is a bit big for me. The seams are not very dirty.
Anyone using the MONSTER SC20-S-1200W steam cleaner? What are the reviews?
Clatronic DR 2930 (in Russia Boman) is the same thing?

What is the problem with these seams, steam with any steam generator, even a jug, a dirty place and rub with any household brush "hot" so to speak. It is not necessary to get hung up on these round brushes if they are worn out. And it’s not a fact that they’ll just turn white with you, if the inter-seam putty itself has turned yellow, for example, or covered with black mold from time to time. All the same, first it must be treated with chemistry and then with a steam generator. There is no need to expect miracles from steam generators, this is just an additional convenience in cleaning.It is very wonderful to process the fat on the stove, and if there is already something old there, it will not be removed without chemistry from the very beginning or from the first time.
anina
Quote: Asya Klyachina

What is the problem with these seams, steam with any steam generator, even with a jug, a dirty place and rub with any household brush "hot" so to speak. It is not necessary to get hung up on these round brushes if they are worn out. And it’s not a fact that they’ll just turn white with you, if the inter-seam putty itself has turned yellow, for example, or covered with black mold from time to time. All the same, you first need to treat it with chemistry and then with a steam generator. There is no need to expect miracles from steam generators, this is just an additional convenience in cleaning. It is very wonderful to process the fat on the stove, and if there is already something old there, it will not be removed without chemistry from the very beginning or from the first time.
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I bought a Clatronic DR 2930 and tried to rub the seams on a small area of ​​the tile.
I liked it - the seams will be rubbed off. I whispered a little with a jet of steam, then walked with a hard sponge and a clean cloth.
Clatronic DR 2930 has decent plastic + a set of nozzles for not much money, I did not expect. In general, I'm happy.
avgusta24
Today I washed the gas stove with my Klatrosh-masik without a drop of the product
I want to try freshening up my down jacket. What attachment and "cleaning technology" do you recommend?
Manna
anina, I am very glad that the clathronic met your expectations

Quote: avgusta24

Today I washed the gas stove with my Klatrosh-masik without a drop of the product
I want to try freshening up my down jacket. What attachment and "cleaning technology" do you recommend?
Universal nozzle in a case. Run gently over the fabric. If there are spots, then the nozzle at an angle of 45about, as if blowing out dirt, blotting with a cloth. And if you just remove the bruises, then you can from afar nozzle or window.
avgusta24
manna! Thanks for the advice I did a good job of smoothing the jacket. But I tried to clean the collar of the down jacket with a universal attachment with a dressed "rag", and after a couple of seconds it began to spit boiling water mixed with steam. What could it be? There was not much water, since after that it almost immediately ran out.
Asya Klyachina
Quote: avgusta24

manna! Thanks for the advice I did a good job of smoothing the jacket. But I tried to clean the collar of the down jacket with a universal attachment with a dressed "rag", and after a couple of seconds it began to spit boiling water mixed with steam. What could it be? There was not much water, since after that it almost immediately ran out.

Steam generators can sometimes spit water, after a break in work (for example, you were hovering something, stopped to rub with a cloth, some time passed). In the hose during this time, condensate formed from the remaining steam, the steam pressure was given again and a little of this condensate, together with the steam, will fly out. Or when you already run out of water in the boiler, the steam pressure cannot be maintained at the required level (it seems to be in your case). Therefore, the instructions also write that you need to direct a stream of dry steam to the cleaning object when it becomes stable, having previously released not quite dry steam into the sink, if this happens.
* Anyuta *
My seams (the ones on the floor) are not particularly washed off .. but as I did the toilet yesterday! ..
With the stove there is still a twofold feeling .. I have it "under the steel" made .. There was a speck in one place, I removed it with one push of a button on the PG .. but the glass cover from the stove had to be washed with my hands all the same ..
Scarlett
Good evening everyone! Have you ever tried to take apart an old fitted kitchen? I can share my experience! My husband recently dismantled, in my absence (with my consent, of course!) Our kitchen in an old apartment for cleaning and washing. Everything would be fine, it was decided-negotiated a long time ago, dismantled on Friday and they even boasted to me that they were swept up there! and so on Saturday I went to put things in order there. Mom dear - what was going on there !. But this is not the worst thing.The fact is that along with the kitchen, the kitchen sink was dismantled and, accordingly, the water in the entire apartment was turned off. : this: In general, from water resources - a 6 liter eggplant of water, bought a few months ago due to problems with the plumbing. Can you imagine my reaction?
But we are in vests with a steam generator! In general, I did it in a couple of hours. The husband came to collect everything back and was stunned - the cleanliness is terrible! No, I certainly wanted to bite him, but I did it - everything in the kitchen just shines! The spouse watched with interest how the kitchen sink was cleverly washed and concluded: the steam generator is a very necessary one and carried his valuable observation to work - he will now rub it in on the next Sabantuy, what a clever mistress his wife is! And all thanks to your favorite forum!
svk222
Girls, help me choose! I trust only the bread maker
I updated the vacuum cleaner and "stuck" to the shelves with steam cleaners. After reading the forum, I already decided to order a small watering can, but I am not a supporter of the "fry-lady", the 15-minute cleaning system ... I'm a normal lazy person, if I'm going to do a feat. We only have odyssey Q here (ENDEVER is Kromax). I lean towards the q-802 model
Because there are no watering cans, 2in1 karcher are very expensive ... And here it is very tempting to be able to ease your relationship with knitwear at the same time And plus the attachments are stored in the case. This is also a plus for me.
But it is confusing that there are really no reviews. Even you have mostly clathronics and karcher ... And in the description he has 8 bar at 98 degrees... This is what really slows me down. You can't figure it out without practice. The same company without steamer 3.5 bar and 135 degrees.
Will these missing degrees be very noticeable? When cleaning mirrors, obviously not. But in plumbing, stove / oven grate? And of course, I suspect that a high-temperature one will cope better with the sterilization function against dust mites ...
Share your opinions and knowledge, is it worth taking 2in1? Will I lose in quality and ease of cleaning with loss of temperature? Thank you!
svk222
And in the neighboring model q-800 it turns out that there are brushes for clothes (you cannot see a normal stand, and okay) there is even a brush for pointing arrows. But instead of brush attachments for cleaning, mostly straight "blow" and 135 degrees ... At a price 1.5 times cheaper ...
Now I am in a complete and final stupor. Girls, what do you use more often? and what is superfluous in these sets? If, based on your experience, you had to choose between these two models, the q-800 and q-802, which would you choose?
Manna
svk222, 98 ° C is the operating temperature of the steamers. This temperature is sufficient for the formation of steam and does not damage the fabric. For steamers, steam performance is important, and for steam cleaners, steam pressure. Steam cleaners have a higher steam temperature than steamers. I would not recommend buying 2in1. Steam cleaners and steamers have different operating principles. I fear that you will end up with neither one nor the other.
svk222
I paused in these questions ... about specific two models from the same series ... Because they are only growing
I walked through the descriptions of Karcher and Clathronics. Models larger than small watering cans only show pressure. Temperature information is already hard to find. Can break down questions no more general:

1) 98C at 8 bar or 135C at 3.5 bar - which will be more useful in the fight against kitchen dirt and baseboards?
2) Round brushes (nylon + metal) - is it worth overpaying for them? Or is the standard diffuser, scraper and standard wide brush enough?
Manna
svk222, 3.5 bars is enough. Clathronics and basic Karcher models have this vapor pressure. 8 bar at 98 ° C is a strong and warm steam. The kitchen requires hot steam to soften the grease. I do not know how steam will behave at 98 ° C. On the other hand, it is easier to clean the dirt with a powerful stream of steam.

As for the brushes, it is mainly the round brushes and the nozzle + glass brush that are used for cleaning.
svk222
I think I found why Karcher does not indicate the temperature.Steam temperature and pressure are directly related. Like the price, it rises with every bar. Many articles simply indicate this, but here there is a specific table 🔗
I just read about the clathronic in one review - the temperature at the exit is about 100 degrees, and at 10cm already ... (I don't remember) Well, an hour of communication with Google was not in vain. Most likely, for the q-802 model, the temperature of 98 degrees is indicated at the outlet, it is now unknown which nozzle, while for the Klatronic 136 degrees - the temperature "in the boiler". It seems that I will choose according to the female principle of intuition "I liked this one" ... Although I already know. While still in the store, I "stuck" to the 802, although I saw ads for steam cleaners a long time ago - I was not interested in him before.
* Anyuta *
Quote: svk222

Girls, help me choose! I trust only the bread maker
I updated the vacuum cleaner and "stuck" to the shelves with steam cleaners. After reading the forum, I already decided to order a small watering can, but I am not a supporter of the "fry-lady", the 15-minute cleaning system ... I'm a normal lazy person, if I'm going to do a feat. We only have odyssey Q here (ENDEVER is Kromax).

I have a Kromax 402 model ... You will also pay special attention to the volume of the liquid to be poured .. In my model it is 450 ml ... As a rule, I pour 2 x 200 ml (so that the water does not splash when heated) ... This volume is quite enough for 1-1.5 hours of cleaning ... I have a bunch of additional attachments that I didn't even use .... Read my reviews about 5-6 pages ago ... More precisely from page 84 ..
svk222
Quote: * Annie *
Thank you. And I didn't find any reviews for the company and Odissey ... I'm glad that the steam engine is of high quality and serves its service. This is the main thing I ordered myself. I also thought about compact. But even in terms of storage, it is more convenient for me to bring a vacuum cleaner into the pantry than to select a shelf for compact and nozzles. Especially the attachments. Because of them, I have the least favorite shelf with attachments from the combine and blender ... And here everything is in the case.
Another comment made me abandon the compact ones - one of the hostesses wrote that it was not for her to wave a kilo teapot for an hour. Who can say what, is it really hard?
It's just that my restless curiosity haunts me and I'm thinking about taking the baby to compare wet / dry steam, and then maybe transfer it to someone. May be
dandelion
SVK222 did you get your PG? I want to buy this one too, because there is no more choice ... I would like to know the review and the price (you can in a personal, if not here). I will wait.
svk222
Let's go to redeem the order just today. I'll tell you how I bought it. On the Internet (count in Moscow) they are 4.5. In our store it costs 6.5. The difference of one and a half times was staggering. Ordering with delivery - almost that will work. I decided to buy in the wrong place. Came - and they are closed for a grand acceptance of goods. To look at the models again, I went to the site of this store (this is a local regional network). And I was stunned: there the price is the same as elsewhere in the network 4.5. I come to the store: there is 6.5 again. I ask: "Why" ... nothing intelligible in response, but apparently their franchise is so strange. I ordered it over the Internet. Today my order has arrived at the same store, where the same product is in stock, but one and a half times more expensive. I also ordered garbage bags. In the store they cost 290, on their website I took it for 110.
I will write about the work of the parosik tomorrow-day after tomorrow. The very one is already impatient. I add dirt on purpose, I don't do anything.
And upon purchase, I bought in the regional chain, only in our Orenburg region shops. But I think if you are in Stavropol itself, you can find shops that have pick-up points in your city. Perhaps it will be cheaper.
dandelion
hello, you are my countrywoman, or rather my mother. I also have fun with this PG? Yesterday I bought it for 4990. I came home, I'm studying ... I accidentally go to the site of this store (by the way, the price is not on the site, not in the store. You see the price tag has fallen somewhere.) gift !!!!! but I was not given !!!! I CALL in the store ... so and so ...I am small and wanted to buy, and here it is also as a gift !!! FREEBIE!!! Give it back now !!! In general, they promised to bring me from Rostov with a present tomorrow, but they had to return it. Therefore, I will wait for your review, maybe you shouldn't take it, but think about the kercher?
* Anyuta *
I already wrote that I have 402 ... I'm OUCH happy with this company .... The check / test took place in the nursery group of the kindergarten, where there was no nanny for 2 months and no cleaning was done for 3 weeks before our "test drive". And even a month before that, they put / changed toilets and sinks for children ... so what the baseboards looked like there - it's TIN .. everything is covered in dust from cement and no one even bothered to wipe them ... that is, you Can you imagine what will happen if you start picking up the cement with a rag or a broom? and then pshikh-zhik and then washed the floors ...
svk222
So, my review for Kromax ODYSSEY Q-802 after the first use.
Now, of course, I support that there should be a steamer in the house. And with a lot, in search of "what else to steam", you can easily cope with what is usually postponed forever, or until the New Year's feat. Who pays attention to the cracks in the door handles? and it turns out to steam them only 15 seconds. It's nice.
With regard to this particular model. Simpotic. A huge number of attachments. Terry polishes, two in a set (for a large floor brush and for a hand brush). For the price, the minimum floor-standing karcher with a slightly approximate kit costs twice as much. I gave 4.5 for Odysseus, 5 is the simplest floor-mounted Karcher, and its nozzles are "gilded", the price just accelerates to 8, while Karcher has quality in details, and Odyssey has a large number of these very little things. This is where the benefits of Odyssey end.
I haven't bought low-end equipment for a long time. But it seems to me that such jambs are no longer on sale. All this applies to products made of black plastic: it is here and there with shavings. And here and there the engineering thought forgot to touch a sober gaze: first of all, this applies to the glass nozzle. Forget pleasant clicks (like in Philips and brown blenders, as in computer and photographic equipment ...) ... I tried to put on this attachment easily and pleasantly. Nope ... I put on only with effort and breaking a nail. Likewise with attaching the hanger holder to the rack (for steaming) ... The grooves are made so that (((it will be necessary to achieve better compatibility with the emery ourselves. And the third point came from the engineers on Friday - this is the fastening of the same ill-fated holder to the rack. Me all the time it seems that one adapter is missing. Although according to the instructions everything is correct. At the narrow end of the extension cord this holder hangs completely free and stupidly. It's time to fill. To save time, I put the kettle on. While I was dealing with the instructions and nozzles. Therefore, Here the funnel is ordinary and small. That is, the air comes out splashing water, if you don’t hold the funnel. I don’t think that making a funnel as for pouring salt to the dishwashers is more expensive. But what difference does it make! ...
In work: at first, it filled in 2 liters as it should be, turned it on at full power. He only spat water. There was steam, but there was more water ... And with extension cords, but without them there was also a lot of water. Against the background of a broken nail, I was completely angry. After 15 minutes everything returned to normal. Some time later, I realized that it was impossible to use it at full capacity. The power must be added as the water in the tank runs out.
By the end of the cleaning, the steam generator stopped spitting. And I had already forgotten about the troubles with some of the details, and only enjoyed his work. Of course, he is not a magic wand. But with it, in passing and without hesitation, you remove even that which your hands do not always reach. And then 2 liters make themselves felt. The jacket steamed a little (the nozzle is ordinary, the steam is broken into 5 holes, therefore there is no pressure. As on the sex nozzle). Yes, refreshing. But I have not yet mastered how to clean the stains. Everything seems to have remained in place.
Summary: As with any inexpensive class thing, you need to adapt. But that's better than permanent breakdowns. It seems that this company does not have them.Of course, not knowing how much I need a PG thing in the house at all, I would not buy a large Karcher with attachments. If it hadn't been for 802, I would have bought a jug of dry steam. I'll get used to flaws in a couple of applications. I believe that for a reasonable price, good power and a lot of battery life. A huge number of attachments to understand how much they are needed specifically for each. It is economical and you can understand what is needed, what is unnecessary. Basically, all the unpleasant moments are associated with non-basic elements made of black plastic. And, well, there is no reeling of the cord, although all cheap vacuum cleaners already have it. But small nozzles are stored on the body. Look like that's it. The feelings are mixed. But I am already sure that the little pigs will take root in my house. You cannot do a large amount of cleaning so quickly and easily (three mirrors, glass, stove, toilet bowl, sink, baseboards) in less than an hour and a half at one gas station. Power dropped when she grabbed the cracks in the door handles. Doors, glasses can now be washed effortlessly))) But of course, of course, I collected water from the stove. Perhaps without chemistry.
svk222
Now I looked, * Anyuta * has all the equipment made of white plastic, and those elements that are not in mine are not brought to mind. But in general, I agree with the baseboards and the toilet. This is no longer a nightmare. As corny as wiping a table from crumbs
kseniaa
I, too, keep an eye on the PG. I need it less, I don’t understand yet ...

I understand correctly, It is necessary to steam the surface. And then wipe all the resulting water with a dirt cloth?

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