Panasonic SD-256WTS vs SD-257WTS

Hello everybody!
We want to buy a bread maker. We are new to this business, so I decided to contact you for help. After reading a little here on the forum, and just communicating with the equipment of the Panasonic company, we came to the conclusion that we will buy the bread maker from this company. But faced with the choice of which is better to take the 256th or 257th? The difference in money is 900 rubles, on the one hand is not great, on the other hand it is 17% more expensive and the 256th is available, and the 257th has not yet been delivered. I ask those who have experience of communicating with these bread makers to tell me whether it makes sense to wait for the 257th one and what is their fundamental difference?

Thanks in advance for your answers!

[POIS]

POIS - I use the 256th, from 257 it differs by the absence of a dispenser - a device that automatically at the right time injects some components, such as raisins, into the dough, and the absence of a mode for baking rye bread and a special paddle for it.

I bake rye bread in other modes absolutely no problem, and so I can throw raisins and other things, by the sound signal, or even when it gets into my head, I did not consider it necessary to overpay for this device

Good luck with your choice

Thank you for your answer, korf!

And do not tell me, in what mode then bake rye bread?
Actually, in terms of raisins, etc. I agree with you - it's not difficult to add it yourself.

[POIS]

POIS - in mode - dietary... Many, even those who use 257, generally divide the process of baking rye bread into separate operations - kneading, baking. And who does it in the main mode - who suits him)

And I have 257 Panasonic, and I am very happy with the choice! By the way, the 257 has an improved coating of the bucket, which is important, except for the dispenser and the Rye Bread program. Such a thing is bought for a long time (at least in my case) and 17% of the price difference is not so much. If there were at least 40%, I would have thought, and so ... Of course, you can adapt to any HP, but why suffer if you can choose the best?

Thank you for your answer, MOTHER SONY! Maybe I'm wrong, but as I understand it, both of these bread makers have a diamond fluoride coating on the bread pan to protect it from damage. Or am I wrong?

[MOM SONY]

MOM SONY - the buckets of 256 and 257 are exactly the same) with these buckets they differ from 254 and 255 models)

Yes, you are right, Korf, I found the instruction now, there is only a difference in rye bread and a dispenser. : red: By the way, here on the forum there is already such a Temka, in my opinion in "Choosing a Bread Maker". In a word, POIS, you choose for yourself.

MAMA SONY, I agree with you that the choice is ours anyway. It's just that when there is no experience with these devices, it is difficult to assess the importance of the presence or absence of a particular function or option, so I turned here for advice from those who already use and can express their opinion. After all, when you use it, you immediately feel and understand what is really useful and what you can do without. These are exactly the tips I need.

POIS if you are still relevant, then I fully support korf.
We bought the bread maker after the New Year, then 256 and 0257 were not available and we chose between 254 and 255. We saved money and bought 254. But all the time it seemed to me that 255 was better because of the rye knife. We bought it and sold it a month later: I did not notice the difference in mixing with a rye knife and the simple one does an excellent job, but the dispenser was generally terribly annoying, it is much easier for us to put it on a signal. The children's favorite bread with pieces of chocolate will not melt there (in general, it is better to put chocolate in the fridge before the signal.) Sometimes smoked sausage and cheese remained stuck in the dispenser, as well as some dried fruits, dates, like it also had to be washed and if you use a dispenser, then a delay do not put it so that at night do not put the oven on. So think well if you need it
By the way, it is more convenient for me and tastier than a rye and semi-rye oven, semi-automatically kneading on a pizza or on the main fast program, then I turn off the oven and when it comes up I put the baking for at least 1 hour 15 minutes and bake

While I was looking for 257 cheaper ones -...... "they were shoveled" even for 8 tons of rubles !!!!!

256 are very calm!
I'm chasing the owner of 257 because it has an additional spatula for rye bread.
"Digged" with a sapper shovel all the Internet, nowhere!
The answer is the same everywhere.
Will be after the New Year! When and how much it will cost no one knows.
And I have already stocked up with flour (in dreams of how to bake bread!) And ..... I don't have what I want.
Gone to cry!

If you are satisfied with the lack of a dispenser and a couple of programs, then the spatula, in the end, can be purchased separately.

If you are satisfied with the lack of a dispenser and a couple of programs, then the spatula, in the end, can be purchased separately.

A dispenser is needed !!!! I don't want to run on a signal.
I want to put everything down and calmly do my business.
I don't quite understand about the spatula !? If everything were so simple, then everyone would take 256 and not suffer.
And what other programs (besides rye) does 256 have?

oops ... for some reason it seemed to me that there were no "test" programs yet. In fact, the difference is in the rye program and the presence of a dispenser. And for the scapula, it doesn't matter where to work. The shape of the bucket and the paddle fits perfectly for the 254/256 255/257 stoves.

oops ... for some reason it seemed to me that there were no "test" programs yet. In fact, the difference is in the rye program and the presence of a dispenser. And for the scapula, it doesn't matter where to work. The shape of the bucket and the paddle fits perfectly for the 254/256 255/257 stoves.

The agony is over !!!!!
I am a happy owner of Panasonic 257.
Found a website for additional accessories.
I'll try to see what is there for us.
Now I !
At last!!!!!

[Zvezda askony]

A dispenser is needed !!!! I don't want to run on a signal.
I want to put everything down and calmly do my business.
I don't quite understand about the spatula !? If everything were so simple, then everyone would take 256 and not suffer.
And what other programs (besides rye) does 256 have?

Zvezda askony
Congratulations on your wish come true - you are the owner of HP Panasonic you dreamed of!
And you still have to "run" to the dispenser if the additives contain meltable products (cheese, chocolate, etc.), because sticking is possible and you need to help manually
With a spatula for rye bread, I feel like the owner of the 255/257 model, since I bake rye bread according to my own method, which differs from the standard HP Program.
The stove is great!

[Zvezda askony]

Zvezda askony
Congratulations on your wish come true - you are the owner of HP Panasonic you dreamed of!
And you still have to "run" to the dispenser if the additives contain meltable products (cheese, chocolate, etc.), because sticking is possible and you need to help manually
With a spatula for rye bread, I feel like the owner of the 255/257 model, since I bake rye bread according to my own method, which differs from the standard HP Program.
The stove is great!

Thank you!!!!!
For now, I suppose "put soft additives right away when kneading or during" proofing "
I understand that this option is possible

After reading the tips throughout the forum (about the throes of choice in the first place). I chose 257 Panasonic for myself and have no regrets. Although the seller in the store has long proved that Bork is the best and only Kenwood is better, which has a professional line that the plastic will turn yellow, and the metal case will last for a long time. But Panasonic somehow seemed more dear and cook to me.
I will try to justify the choice:
1. and most importantly - I needed an automatic machine (I fell asleep and forgot, since all attempts to work with yeast dough ended in failure, and I am a beginner as a baker, and I also like to put on and go for a walk with my child, I also have an electric double boiler with a timer).
2.the absence of a window (fear of an unbaked crust, which the son loves so much, turned into a phobia after reading several posts, and since I am not going to look inside during the cooking process, then it is like a 5 wheel to a hare)
3. rye bread mode (it's still the same love for the machine)
4.the quality of the bucket, I don't want to eat the coating.
5.sizes (small kitchen)
6. quiet operation and timer (I want bread in the morning and to sleep at night).
7. a good guide and accessible recipes (instructions in Russian and with pictures for "especially smart")
8.easy maintenance (wiped with a cloth)
I have already tried wheat bread, bread with cheese (though there was a misfire, the cheese needed more and the variety was probably more fragrant, but I put in what was at home, but still tasty) and a cake.
Everything worked out the first time! Despite my fear of yeast
I'm just happy. The bread is baked, rose, the crust, which the son likes. I haven't tried the dispenser yet. I have it for 3 days.
I advise friends exactly 257.

[drakosha-sky]

drakosha-sky 🔗
Congratulations on the HP Panasonic 257 with all my heart!
Your message of joy has also become light and fun!
Happy and joyful communication with HP!

because I bake rye bread according to my own method, which differs from the standard HP Program.

And you can find out your recipe and program, if it's not difficult to post a link (probably the recipe is on this forum)

[drakosha-sky]

And you can find out your recipe and program, if it's not difficult to post a link (probably the recipe is on this forum)

drakosha-sky
This is a generally accepted methodology on our forum: loading ingredients into a bucket + short kneading (Pelmeni or Pizza program) + Forming bread + Raising in volume (increasing by 2 times the volume) + Baking 70 minutes!
In this recipe
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=86176.0
There is a lot of wheat flour, so you can bake on the Main Program!
Good luck! Please ask about anything that is not clear, and you will be helped
And yet, if you will, read Master classes on Koloboks, on different breads, there are photos that will help to explain a lot
Did you read Rye Tips ? Interesting and informative !!! 🔗

I read Temko and decided to buy 257. At least 1000 rubles more, but I don't know anything about baking at all, let everything be on the machine. I'm looking forward to DR, my husband promised to give it.)))

[Elenka11]

I read Temko and decided to buy 257. At least 1000 rubles more, but I don't know anything about baking at all, let everything be on the machine. I'm looking forward to DR, my husband promised to give it.)))

Elenka11
What do you mean when, choosing 257 model, say "let everything be automatic" ?
Better for this money (difference), buy email. Libra

to be smart with rye bread, for example, I'm not ready ... maybe I'm wrong, I don't know ...

to be smart with rye bread, for example, I'm not ready ... maybe I'm wrong, I don't know ...

You are right of course
But, when you want a different taste, the composition of the rye recipe than is inherent in the HP, you will understand that you need to change something ... And bake according to your program and remember my words.But the difference between 256 and 257 is so minimal that the choice is yours a great! Anyway, having two agitators is always good.
The choice is yours

having two agitators is always good

What do you mean two? clarify please!

What do you mean two? clarify please!

In HP Panasonic 255 and 257 models, where there is the Rye Program, the set includes two mixers - the usual one and for rye - "scallop"
They gave me a "scallop", so I knead rye bread, like the owners of 255 and 257 models. Girls from the forum, who don't have one, are kneaded with an ordinary stirrer ...

Thank you, now it's clear! Okay, let's think there is still time)))

Thank you, now it's clear! Okay, let's think there is still time)))

Hello!
I own a Panasonic 257 and a Kenwood 210 (I forgot I don’t have given it to my wife’s friend) and so I recently bought 257 (December 2010), when baking bread with fried onions, bald spots appeared on the diamond-coated bucket with a 5-ruble coin, but I’m sinning for about 50 onions - these grams just really taste like onion bread. At 210, such bald patches appeared after about 2 years, although onion bread was baked on it only for the last half a year before I had not seen onions in the store. The bread is excellent both here and there, they stopped buying, only in the most peak case, subjectively at 257, the top is fried, apparently because of the window, it works really quieter, but I find the dispenser convenient before the lamp. And rye is all one where to bake, because you have to combine programs, but you will still bake, because, firstly, it is interesting, secondly, it is tasty, and thirdly, it is quite simple (there are few programmable CPs and they are more expensive)
Therefore, diamonds are not diamonds in a bucket, garbage, all this IMHO buckets are on sale, shovels too ... buy ... bake ...please yourself and your near and distant ones Good luck !!!

[drakosha-sky]

drakosha-sky
This is a generally accepted methodology on our forum: loading ingredients into a bucket + short kneading (Pelmeni or Pizza program) + Forming bread + Raising in volume (increasing by 2 times the volume) + Baking 70 minutes!

I apologize for the lack of understanding and flooding
You can in PM or here
program order and time
I bought a ready-made "Borodinsky"
The first time I baked in two programs, but did not remember the time. Since it was by chance
It turned out super! Tall handsome.
Then I baked on the main mode - it didn't go up very much - it turned out to be small and dense.
Tasty though.
But I really want to be like the first time
1) dumplings or pizza-
2) bread molding is what mode? and how long does it take
3) rise in volume - in which program and how long?
4) baking 70 minutes - well, everything is clear
I really hope for an answer
Tomorrow it is necessary to bake, but how ???
Unfortunately, we couldn't buy malt!
Or just bake in rye mode !? - the blessing I have!

But I really want to be like the first time
1) dumplings or pizza-
2) bread molding is what mode? and how long does it take
3) rise in volume - in which program and how long?
4) baking 70 minutes - well, everything is clear
I really hope for an answer

I'm not drakosha-sky, but I'll try to answer.
1. I do it on pizza, or on any other program (rye, main, etc.), since there is provided heating, which is good for the subsequent raising of bread.
2. You can take out the dough, remove the stirrer, level it and put it back in the HP or oven in the oven. I don’t bother with it, I don’t do anything. The mixer remains in the HP, for which, when loading the ingredients into the bucket, I try not to get the oil on the stirrer pin.
3. Ascent by volume. How the pizza program ends, and on other programs 1-1.5 hours before its end, if necessary, I turn off the HP and wait (occasionally glancing at the HP) when the dough comes up to the volume that I like. Sometimes, at the same time, I cover the top of the HP well with a towel, where the lid is. In my opinion, this contributes to a better rise in the dough.
I do such a rise on any program, according to any recipe, if the baking time is already approaching, and, in my opinion, the dough has not yet risen to the volume I need. I repeat once again that for this it is enough to turn off the HP and wait until the dough rises by itself. Maybe this time the yeast was bad or your HP didn't like the temperature of the kitchen, or something else at this particular moment?
Then turn on the baking and wait for the signal to get the finished bread.
4. I bake white bread for 50-55 minutes. And in general, baking wheat bread (any recipe, except for butter), I do French bread on the program, and not on the main program, there is more proofing, but even there sometimes you have to turn off the HP and do as I wrote in paragraph 3.
As a result, I ALWAYS get a loaf of bread the size of the HP lid, and the volume of flour added does not exceed 400 grams on wheat bread (rye bread has other sizes).
Good luck with your baking.

As far as I understand, rye bread can be baked without any problems even in 256 models, and without an additional program and a spatula? I faced the fact that having chosen the 257th for myself, I cannot find it in stores, they are not available, there are only 8000, but somehow I don’t want to overpay ...

You think correctly. Some of the recipes (wheat-rye) can be baked on the main program, and some using the "pizza" + "baking" programs. Everything is learned in practice.

As far as I understand, rye bread can be baked without any problems even in 256 models, and without an additional program and a spatula? I faced the fact that having chosen the 257th for myself, I cannot find it in stores, they are not available, there are only 8000, but somehow I don’t want to overpay ...

Interesting thing 257 just fly away.
256 already cost 5200 and all the same.
I regularly go to bed, since two more people have not gotten for financial reasons.
But they will also have 257
Lyi
Thanks for the detailed answer !!!!!
Black is fine.
All the recipes that I take from the bread machine are obtained.
Only a few days ago, poods discovered a military secret.
Their bread contains exactly equal amounts of wheat and rye flour.
So it will be necessary to ask around in rye bread how and what to do with such a ratio.
I baked 300 and 100-excellent-high air
2.5 glasses and 1 glass (diaper-nickel) - so he "propped up" the lid of Panasonic with a nice hat
There are no problems with white, everything rises and bakes with a bang!
Problems only with ready-made mixtures.
So there is NZ just in case.
there will be no flour or something else - but we "were with us! (more than 10 packs in the hamster's stash)

As far as I understand, rye bread can be baked in 256 models without any problems, and without an additional program and a spatula? I faced the fact that having chosen the 257th for myself, I cannot find it in stores, they are not available, there are only 8000, but somehow I don’t want to overpay ...

There are a lot of them in Moscow Internet shops.
And even cheaper than in St. Petersburg.
The last time in our city they took 6190 and 400 + 200 delivery.
since there is no pickup.

Interesting thing 257 just fly away.
256 already cost 5200 and all the same.

A little over a year ago, I bought 255 models of the bread maker, then 257 were not yet on sale. For some reason it seemed to me that this model is cooler, since it is more expensive. Over time, I realized that those additional functions that are in the 255 (257) model are practically not in demand by me, I baked the cake only 4 times, I bake rye bread, forgetting about the comb spatula. This year, my husband gave a 256 model, today she baked two breads at the same time, (for herself and for her daughter's family) absolutely identical breads in that and in this x / oven!

[Elenka11]

Elenka11
What do you mean when, choosing 257 model, say "let everything be automatic" ?
Better for this money (difference), buy email. Libra

Good day.
For a long time I chose between 256 and 257, and since the difference was 2.5 thousand rubles, in general it tended to 256, but it so happened that I bought 257.

And I didn’t regret it: in the process of using it, one nuance came to light that I had not thought about before. In general, I bought the stove most of all for the rye bread. But, the fact is that on weekdays in the evenings after work, I have absolutely no time to bake rye bread in a semi-automatic mode, combining programs and I bake rye bread on an automatic machine with a delay, so that the bread is ready by morning. Well, again, if I want bread with additives, it helps out at night that the dispenser itself adds them when necessary.

Someone does not really need rye, someone cannot live without it. Someone has time to tinker, while someone needs to work out recipes once and for all and set up a completely automatic program. Someone needs hot (warm) bread in the morning, someone prefers already cooled down. What for some is a disadvantage in technology, for others is a merit of the same technology.

And in no case should you say that someone is right and someone is not. We are different, we all have different capabilities and requirements, different habits.

And in no case should you say that someone is right and someone is not. We are different, we all have different capabilities and requirements, different habits.

Well, of course, to each his own, I just wanted to draw attention to this nuance, which I did not think about in the process of choosing a stove, but as it turned out, it is very important for me. After all, this topic was created in order to help make such a "difficult" choice and so that later nothing would darken the joy of using such a useful device

Interesting thing 257 just fly away.
256 already cost 5200 and all the same.
I follow it regularly, since I haven't got two more people for financial reasons.
But they will also have 257

Hurrah! My friends joined the ranks of bakers !!!!
Of course 257. One of them I found on the internet 6200 + 600 delivery.
Other 6700 on the internet-self-pickup

Hurrah! My friends joined the ranks of bakers !!!!
Of course 257. One of them I found on the internet 6200 + 600 delivery.
Other 6700 on the internet-self-pickup

and to spite all enemies - Panas Foreva!

[600 delivery.]

Of course 257. I found one on the internet 6200+600 delivery.

Not sickly guys take for delivery. Who is this with such an appetite for us?

and to spite all enemies - Panas Foreva!

Quite right !!!!!
And those others baked bread, no problem, everything worked out right away !!!!!
However, both are still without malt
And ... both of them inattentively read the instructions and called why they put everything down, but ... nothing happens.
I had to remind about alignment.
Maybe write about this in topic 257 in large and red font?!?
Many people forget about it !!!!!

Not sickly guys take for delivery. Who is this with such an appetite for us?

400 delivery
and 200 what is further than the ring road, although the address is listed within the city !!!!!
so they still wanted 150 rubles for the rise to the 3rd floor !!!!!!!!
They were not given. the girls themselves went down and personally raised. The courier was very disappointed and upset !!!!!
Maybe that's why 200 rubles surfaced ?!
I don't remember exactly which store.
as they ordered in one - and ... they never brought
In the second, they brought it - only now they ripped off 600 rubles. But in the store at that time it cost 7,500.
Now it costs 8000, but while there is a promotion for every 5000 a card for 1000 is given. With this money you can choose any product.
That is, if you need something else, then the oven will turn out for 7000

You just need to give a link on each page to this topic.
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=94759.0, besides, for a baking manual and a master class on a wheat bun ...

You just need to give a link on each page to this topic.
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=94759.0, besides, for a baking manual and a master class on a wheat bun ...

The most interesting thing is that when baking recipes from the site (I chose those where everything is indicated in grams and ml), there were no problems.
I looked at the kolobok, but I didn't have to do any gestures even once.
I was "having fun" with a kolobok while baking ready-made mixtures - it didn't help me.
All the same for me it is "aerobatics"
Well, when in the night I confused buckwheat flour with rye.
But the addition of liquid did not help the buckwheat flour turn into a smooth bun (there was 480 grams of buckwheat flour only and that's it)
So thanks again to the Mcooker site: the best recipes for kind and helpful people and Panasonic for a perfectly designed and made (despite the fact that in China) Bread Maker !!!!!!

tell me what is the difference between models 256-257 from 254-255? they are like they are the same in pairs, only 257 and 255 have a dispenser and a rye bread program, and 256-57 models are just newer, so what?

in 256, 257 only other cover for buckets. A clever marketing ploy. Instead of changing or adding some letter in the model name (or putting, for example, 2 after a dash), the manufacturer positioned these bread machines as new models.

clear, thanks)

Who has been using HP Panasonic 256 or Panasonic 257 for a long time, please tell me what is the difference? Which one is better to buy? Pets want a delicious bread, but I still can't decide what to buy. Thank you