Kneading machines

Philosophy.
The leaven is stored successfully and the bread is excellent. I don't understand what prevented you from using it. And what such secret wisdom is necessary for people to be friends with her.
And a small request (if it is, of course, possible) - to express more simply, without unnecessary pirouettes of thought. You know how one respected person said: "Where it is simple - there are about a hundred Angels, and where it is tricky - there are none." Maybe you even know who this person is.

Atata ... where did you get that something was stopping me and I don't use leaven?
My message, in a fairly simple form, is not to be categorical. And all that I wrote above is general reasoning. They describe in general everyone and nobody. Don't take them personally.
And about "pirouettes" - this is the mood. Never mind..

Shl. .. where there is no simplicity, there is only emptiness .. You are well done!

Atata ... where did you get that something was stopping me and I don't use leaven?

It's good that you use it))

And all that I wrote above is general reasoning. They describe in general everyone and nobody. Don't take them personally.

I don’t take my own account personally, but it’s also a shame for the state))

My message, in a fairly simple form, is not to be categorical.

Eat yeast at least in small doses? Yes, I eat - they are everywhere, even in bagels, bagels and dryers. Can I at least eat sourdough bread? Or not?)))

Z. s. And why can't you choose a mixer and a kneader in devices? You still had kenwood, like - what and what was wrong in it?

Eat yeast at least in small doses? Yes, I eat - they are everywhere, even in bagels, bagels and dryers.

And what am I talking about ?! All under them, darlings. Man buried himself, with his laziness and thirst for quick profit, to put it bluntly, non coupure. And if you fight this, you can't do without restrictions. And in order to provide yourself and your family with a high level of comfort in this regard (so that these very restrictions do not morally pressure and there is no forced planting), you must try very hard, in addition to two baked breads a week. So it turns out, they are slogans there, near the flags, next to the flies, and they are cutlets on the fork.

You still had kenwood, like - what and what was wrong in it?

There ->

comfort is the enemy of man))

By the way, did you try to force the Swede to knead dough on dumplings?

comfort is the enemy of man))

Fu-fu-fu, throw this thought away immediately. Comfort is the engine of progress. This is the only thing that makes such a lazy and greedy being like us do at least something in this life.

By the way, did you try to force the Swede to knead dough on dumplings?

The answer to the question is no.

Additionally 1:

There ->

Optional 2:

Forget dumplings on consumer devices.
This is how the kneader should look like, which will really and without consequences cope with the dumplings dough:

150kg / h? .... perhaps my kitchen won't fit on it))))
and let's try vsetki for sure

[Sysopaty]

Sysopaty , I would like to ask you something else. In this store, where you took your Ankarsrum, they write that the deliveries are from a warehouse in Germany. But they are Swedish. And I did not find a single representative in Germany among the Swedes on the official website. Are you all straight Swedish for sure?))
And two - according to what scheme did you buy from them. Ordered, received, paid. Or ordered paid received delivery?

[Sysopaty]

Sysopaty , I would like to ask you something else.In this store, where you took your Ankarsrum, they write that the deliveries are from a warehouse in Germany. But they are Swedish. And I did not find any representative in Germany among the Swedes on the official website. Are you all straight Swedish for sure?))
And two - according to what scheme did you buy from them. Ordered, received, paid. Or ordered paid received delivery?

There is such a concept - the principle of responsibility. In my opinion, it is super-important for a person living in a society, and every citizen of this society should understand it and follow it, even in the smallest detail. Especially the man. Especially in the little things.
Why am I saying this? The habit of following this principle.
It would seem that you have simple enough questions to which I can give simple answers. But if you look closely, I cannot answer any of them, namely because of the named principle, or more precisely: I am not responsible for their actions - I cannot guarantee that they are transporting the harvesters really Swedish (including, I can't give a 100% guarantee that my combine is Swedish) and I can't explain why exactly from Germany; on the other hand, they are not responsible for my actions - whatever I tell you about the conditions of my purchase, the conditions of your purchase will most likely differ from mine, and they, the conditions, will completely depend on their decision, on your desire to change a standard sentence, if that's what you meant. Since, most likely, before asking me such questions, you had to talk to them, and something did not suit you, doubts remained. And if, before your questions to me, you have not yet communicated with them, then why should ..
Shl. By the way, I was just thinking about our conversation with you, about your ardent desire to get rid of "Gost's enemy No. 1" as much as possible. And that's what I came up with (or rather, I remembered what I saw at Lyuda's) - wild homemade hop yeast (they said to remove the link! So, if necessary, it is easy to find it). All the same, what no help to leaven.
So maybe you're right, maybe you can do without industrial yeast. But the price! There is a lot of work there. I don’t know you, but I would have given up on the third iteration, most likely.

Hello! help with the choice. the family loves bread. Knead the dough - already your fingers hurt. at first I wanted to buy a bread maker, but not for the sake of baking bread, but precisely in order to knead the dough itself. I looked at the vastness of the Internet - it turns out I was behind the times, in the sale of combines with a dough mixer. started this topic to look further - there are simply kneaders, they do not bake, do not cut, do not grind, and the price is the same as that of a bread machine and a combine with a dough mixer. Explain, please, who has already dug this topic up and down - how the kneader in bread makers and combines differs from the household kneader. I can't decide what to buy for the sake of an excellent dough - a bread maker, a combine with a dough kneading function or the kneader itself.

[Geronimo]

Geronimo, welcome to the forum! Except you, no one will answer this question. A decent dough will turn out in the three cases you listed. The main thing is your needs, and the most important thing is material opportunities.

Omela thanks for the answer! material opportunities - I can fork out for the sake of a good machine, it is not every month to buy it :) needs - you need just a well-kneaded dough. I bake in the oven, so I don't need a bread maker. to make minced meat, whip up squirrels, etc. - there is also a harvester for such things, although ancient, but it does the same. Purely mathematically, it turns out I need to stare at household dough mixers. Okay, curious

Gastorag is the cheapest option ....

Yes.

Omela, I looked in more detail about the kneaders: dimensions, weight (although I'm certainly not going to carry it around the apartment, but still ...), the volume of the dough - in short, it's more likely for industrial production. Now I look at the bread makers - the dough volume is mostly 1 kg, not enough, I usually make 3 loaves of 1 kg each, however, you don't have to bother, buy a bread maker and just bake more often. And I also look at harvesters, including those from your links, respect!

dough volume is mainly 1 kg,

But why?? There is a maximum volume of 1500g. Moulinex OW 502430, SUPRA BMS - 240, Kenwood BM900, for example.

I bought myself an ankarsrum standard set) Already in the kitchen it is
I didn't dare those guys, it's not very pleasant to give 30tr at random

maybe a little later I'll try to order something less expensive from them for trial

[Hope]

Hope, Congratulations! Let it serve for a long time.

Thank you) I will try to report, the next batch of bread is on the nose, I will have to figure it out with this thing - I also bought a slightly second-hand one without checks, which was bought in the joint venture before (about the same principle by which the eco-boutique apparently works) But here, even though I felt it, compared the serial numbers on the unit and on the box, made sure that everything worked and immediately got it in my hands - it looks like new). Hope everything will be ok

So I'm staring at Ankarsrum :) I'm still looking at Krups KA 9027, also a decent device.

Good day! Allow me to join Temka, though to "so far = only = thirsty" I quietly sat in the bushes and read, but since there are so many owners of Ankarsrum, I decided to be curious: what about other functions, that is, a meat grinder, a juicer, etc.

Good day! Allow me to join Temka, though to "so far = only = thirsty" I quietly sat in the bushes and read, but since there are so many owners of Ankarsrum, I decided to be curious: what about other functions, that is, a meat grinder, a juicer, etc.

I liked the meat grinder. So .. monolithic. The knife and grates are wide, weighty. By the way, there are 4 lattices! In addition to the standard ones, there is another one with larger holes, just what I missed for others - I like meat, even minced meat, to chew, so that the texture of the meat is felt. I also made spaghetti on the same meat grinder. It turned out great, but with nuances - it does not match in size with the standard; it was a little hard then to wash the plastic grid from the dough; Well, there is the rest of the dough that remains in the meat grinder, there are 20-30 grams of it, but still, I had to roll it out with my hands and cut it with a knife. What else? When you attach the meat grinder to the combine, you get such a one-piece structure, nothing dangles, does not shake, does not creak. Maybe someone will not like the view, since the combine itself is lying on its side at this time, but this is already a trifle, at least for me.
A citrus juicer isn't quite standard either. That's all, too, but not all. On one side, it has a small depression in addition to small ribs. And just in this depression all the cake goes and then comes off and falls on the intake, while on the standard cake this cake just dangles during the whole process.
I was very pleasantly surprised by the whipping bowl. I have never had such a design (centrifuge for two beaters), it turned out to be quite a productive thing. Beats everything up in seconds. Since it is open, it is very easy to fall asleep. And these second whisks with one metal loop, which are not for beating, are generally a godsend. A fairly thick dough for muffins / muffins is generally kneaded with a bang. Previously, with other beaters, there was always a problem that some part of unmixed dough remained inside, up to dry flour, the beaters were clogged with fruits and berries on the plexus, etc. These beaters do not suffer from this. The only minus for me so far is that I haven't gotten used to scrubbing everything from this bowl without a trace. On the "Kenwood" bowl, this is done in seconds, took a soft paddle and you're done, but here this central protruding part .. you will scrape off it for now .. Not very convenient. Not a big problem, but still. Well, in general, how it turns out, who likes what. The wife, for example, while doing everything on the "Kenwood". She has already studied it very well. And the "assistant" is still afraid. And by nature she is a conservative. And in most cases, with some degree of planning, I alternate or combine these two combines. Heating on the "Kenwood" helps a lot. While the "Kenwood" prepares (without my intervention, that is, stirring) the part requiring heating, I prepare, for example, the same proteins on the "assistant".All cutting or grinding, if necessary, I do on "Kenwood" (by the way, I did not like the low-speed Kenwood attachment at the beginning - I rubbed potatoes on potatoes - I spat; but when I tried to cut fruits / vegetables into slices on it, rub chocolate / nuts, cut but already coarsely, that is, in small pieces, the same nuts and chocolate for desserts, without dust, I just fell in love with this attachment; high-speed and food-processing ones are simply not competitors, although I use them to the fullest but for other purposes .. Sorry for this philosophical "Kenwood" wedging ..). And then on the "assistant" I carry out the final kneading.
By the way, if I already remembered the potato pancakes. This nozzle-grater from the "assistant" is ideal for potato pancakes. The potatoes are fed from the inside, he has nowhere to go, nothing gets clogged, does not "slip", does not "slip". The grater itself, except with potatoes for potato pancakes, has not yet been used for anything else. But, I think, it will do well with nuts, for a fine free-flowing consistency, for example, in the same cookies, for 100% cheese, crumb-crumbs for breading, perhaps with chocolate - but this is questionable, since most likely the meat grinder will heat the chocolate very much. For me, for today, this is primarily a godsend for potato pancakes. Since only the "Kenwood" has three disks for potato pancakes on different nozzles, but as I said above, they simply did not impress me, if not, they disappointed me a little. I understand the potatoes are no longer young, but still.
I also liked the nozzle for molding cookies. It is quite simple, but you can very quickly shape a large volume of cookies, plus there is some variety in shape.
ABOUT! I remembered yet. Everyone here doesn't like blender .. I use blender a lot. The main problem for everyone is, if the consistency of the liquid is thick enough, then everything scatters to the walls and lies there, which means it does not whip and does not grind with the blender itself. The blender in the "assistant" is, at first glance, not very roomy, flimsy, made of plastic. In general, it is not pleasing to the eye when compared with a large glass and very heavy Kenwood blender. But, there is one thing in it that I did not understand at all when I unpacked the combine, it has a locking cap that is inside the blender, it can be removed, in the center of this cap there is also a small cap that can also be opened and closed. The plug lies inside the blender, not high above the knives. In general, and in general, the purpose of this plug is not to let what is in the blender splash on the walls. That is, it flies onto this plug and then flows down again onto the knives. Super! "The problem is solved - the digger is one and a half" .. In principle, I know how to deal with this problem, but .. I made mayonnaise, with this plug, at high speeds - it turned out great.
To date, something like this .. Good luck with your choice.

The first batch of bread was kneaded today)
in 1 hour, including acquaintance and self-study of use, we kneaded the dough into 4 loaves at once - it is much better than poking around with a mixer for half a day, kneading each loaf personally
stand now fit

baked - we will taste and report)

easy to use

Hello!
majo to you with a question ??

and someone uses clathronic?
can't find info

I'm ONLY interested in the kneader - other functions are not important

or where can I read about it ??

thanks in advance!

At one time I had my eyes on such a clathronic, but one of the men advised me to buy. Now I'll look, maybe there is a message from him

All the reviews that I came across about the Klatronic kneaders on one topic are not very reliable devices, a lot of breakdowns ...
Praises, that hurray, I have been using Clathronic for 3 years (at least) happily - I have never seen

All the reviews that I came across about the Klatronic kneaders on one topic are not very reliable devices, a lot of breakdowns ...
Praises, that hurray, I have been happily using Clathronic for 3 years (at least) - I have never seen

oto bo ....
well. and GASTRORAG from the same price category (if in rubles - about 5-6 thousand) - will it be better ??
or the same eggs, only in profile ...

on kenwood while green presses to fork out ...

I deleted the conversation from the PM, but found something in the subject https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=8100.0
You can read about Gastrorag at least from this post. There is further MK for kneading the dough.
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=8100.0

Can you please tell me who uses food processors like Bosch mum 4 or 5 series for kneading dough? I am planning to buy for kneading yeast and rye dough for small loaves (400-500 g of flour), is it suitable? I understand that this is much worse than a kneader, but there is no money for a normal machine, and there is no time and effort to interfere with your hands after work :-( I do not expect a miracle from the combine, according to the principle "if only I mix it somehow", but in day off I can do it myself.

Thanks who will answer!

[Xavier]

Xavier, ask kisuri , she just recently bought this:



She says she is happy: https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=12075.0

I wanted to ask if anyone heard of the Boman dough mixer? There are no reviews on the internet. Power 1000w Bomann 362CB and the price is very attractive 6000r

As far as I understand, Bohmann and Clathronic are twin brothers, no ??

As far as I understand, Bohmann and Clathronic are twin brothers, no ??

I have the same opinion, they are very similar in appearance.

Clathronic is more expensive than a Boman. Today I watched the boman live, he is so monumental, the assembly is of high quality and I liked it externally. In the instructions, you can write the test, you can do 2 kg. The kneading time is 5 minutes, well, I think it can be longer. Looks like germanium production.

[masinen]

masinen, read reviews on the Internet and ask about the service of this machine.

So there are no reviews, that's why I asked here.

Clathronic / Bomann is one Chinese plant makes.

And which Bosch has a good one within 8000, with a metal bowl?

I want a Bosch MUM 54240 Styline. Here are reviews about him https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=136353.40

In our topic and about Clathronic there are reviews https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=8100.320

I also found Kenwood 286, but what about him?

I also found Kenwood 286, but what about him?

I do not advise. I used it. He walks all over, jumps on the table ... Not suitable as a kneader. I was no longer interested in other functions

Then it turns out that Boshik is in the first place, well, not counting the kitsch id. Okay boom to think. I also thought about Moulinex, there are also few reviews at all

Oh, and yesterday my husband brought me Gastrorag about kenwoods and kitschens, I was clearly told to forget, but with a scratch I agreed to this unit and even went and bought it myself. What was a complete surprise to me
I was going to knead bread in Orson, but I could not resist and immediately started testing Gastro (everything is relatively clear with the KP, I must knead everything, but not enough)))
And here I took yours, Mashenka, a recipe for bread with mustard oil, but for 600 g of flour.
While I liked it, it only makes a strange noise))))

Well, I also thought about the gastrorag, I was already exhausted))) yes, the babies went to the Kp, but such a delicious one)))

By the way, in the morning I decided to make an omelette for my daughter, threw 2 eggs into Gastro, and the whisk didn't even reach them, and in my joy I completely forgot that this is not a story for 2 eggs

But nothing, I raised the bowl and held it neatly while he whipped everything there

In Moscow Gastorag is cheaper than ours.

Vei, how did he knead the dough for bread? I, too, still tend to him.
Did you buy it on the subway or in another store? And what is his price now?

Vei, how did he knead the dough for bread? I, too, still tend to him.
Did you buy it on the subway or in another store? And what is his price now?

I mixed it well, I just watched such a system for the first time, and I poured everything almost on the eye. That is, the result suited me, but the time and quality of the process, including the PM and the noise, is still difficult for me to assess, since there is nothing to compare with (only TM and HP, but everything is different there). It works no louder (even quieter) than a meat grinder.
The bread turned out to be gorgeous, but I always considered it the merit of the recipe, not the combine

and I knead the dough in an ordinary stationary mixer. I have a rather powerful Borkovsky, it kneads well.

Hello. Help with the choice. I read the topic.

I look after the mixer,
What will I do:

- dough for bread (500 gr flour)
- 2 squirrels with a glass of sugar
- shortcrust pastry with cottage cheese
- charlotte for 3 eggs
- muffins for a glass of flour

I choose from an assistant and a kitchen

Dumplings can be made once a year.

I would be grateful if the owners of these devices answer, do they do these operations without any complaints, Ie manual revision due to the small volume or rigidity of the dough?

I choose from an assistant and a kitchen

I was also torn between them, I chose an assistant.

With dough for 500 gr. flour assistant copes perfectly, with dumplings too. There can be no question of any manual revision ...

Whisks and mixers for shortcrust pastry have not yet been tested ...

[Crochet]

I was also torn between them, I chose an assistant.

Crochet, one might ask: what outweighed in favor of the Assistant?
Another question, the Assistant takes up a lot of space and how much does it weigh approximately?

I am now at a crossroads too, I keep thinking, thinking ...

Thanks for the answer. I subconsciously lean towards the assistant, especially after the video comparing both units.

I hope the admins won't fine me I want to order
Saving 8-10 thousand. If VAT is also deducted ...
Here's a question not beaten in our mail ...