Kneading machines

Good day! Faced with the agonizing choice of a planetary mixer! After reading the forum, I realized one thing that everyone praises the technique with which he directly works. Unfortunately, there are not enough funds for expensive Kenwoods and KitchenAids, so I began to look and look for something from an adequate replacement for them. After reading about GASTRORAG, I decided to be curious and ... disappeared. So brains scattered in different directions that it is not possible to collect them in a pile. So I decided to ask experienced members of the forum for advice! Share your opinion on the performance and reliability of such models as GASTRORAG QF-EF723, GASTRORAG QF-B5, GASTRORAG 5W. On YouTube I saw short videos with the work of GASTRORAG QF-B5, GASTRORAG 5W - their low noise attracts. I also liked HURAKAN HKN-KS5 and Torgmash MP-5. However, I could not find anywhere the type of attachments for these mixers and detailed reviews on their work. The mixer is needed for whipping creams, meringues, biscuits, as well as dough for pies, dumplings, noodles, manti, etc. I would be grateful for the detailed answers!

And we bought a SINBO SMX2743 mixer

Hello Nina! I would be very grateful for the answer to my question - how is this mixer now? I'm going to buy for my daughter.

[Djanima27]

Djanima27, these kneaders differ in the volume of the bowl and some bells and whistles.
GASTRORAG QF-EF723 - a 6.3 l bowl with a protective cover, it is possible to connect a meat grinder and a vertical mixer.
GASTRORAG QF-B5 - 5L bowl with protective cover.
GASTRORAG 5W - bowl 5L
These are all the main differences. All types of attachments are the same: whisk, bitter and hook.
As for the noise, it's up to your taste. Their noise does not bother me.

[Djanima27]

Djanima27, here is a message from vis for 15.02

In M-Video sense for 19990
Kenwood KVC5000T
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Thank you very much for your answers! I'm still thinking. Kenwoods really like and is even ready to consider buying from a foreign online store. But I have no experience in such large acquisitions abroad and partly I am afraid of the opportunity to run into negative experience. Unfortunately, gastrointestinal patients cannot be previously touched in reality, and this is also embarrassing. The action in M. I'll watch the video. Thank you.

[Djanima27]

Djanima27, gastroragias are in large stores, such as METRO

[Djanima27]

Kenwoods really like and is even ready to consider buying from a foreign online store.

Djanima27, many from our forum bought both KM and attachments here 🔗, this is a German online store. The warranty does not apply to the Russian Federation, as it was. Maybe what has changed, check with the service centers.

Thank you very much. It is necessary to study the issue.

Good day. Although I am not a permanently active visitor to the forum, but if I need some interesting recipe or buy some kind of equipment, I immediately run here. Today I decided to write a useful (I hope) post about what you should not buy. My old dough mixer Saturn is completely unstuck, working on its last legs. The fastenings of the bowl immediately broke and you have to hold it during the kneading, and now the head also threatens to come off, something rumbles inside, in short, and the second hand became busy to hold it. I began to consider options. The budget is limited and I do not cook very often and not very much. In this dough mixer I have a very successful Italian bread https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...ion=com_smf&topic=13642.0 the sourdough turns out. The first knead with a bitter spatula for 30 seconds until all the ingredients are moistened, rest for 20-30 minutes and then literally in 5 minutes with the same spatula a gorgeous bun at maximum speed. The power of my kneader is only 650W.Not enough of course, I decided to pick up something more powerful. My gaze fell on the Kenwood Prospero. He looks handsome, the power is 900W, too, as if not very much, but if I kneaded all types of dough for 650, including dumplings, I decided that was enough. Of course, I read not entirely flattering reviews about power, but mostly from the owners of more expensive and powerful models. And then I chose the budget option. I watched many videos on YouTube, mostly the owners are happy and praise everything. In short the opinions were 50 to 50 approximately. Then I got a 283 model with a good discount for $ 165. As a bonus to the kneader, I don't really need a processor and a blender, but let it be, we just need more. Ordered, received, unpacked, handsome. Well, quickly 2 eggs for an omelet and nif .... he does not whip. In short, his 900 in comparison with 650 Saturnovsky (and I always had a very low opinion of my dough mixer) and were not close. Well, without losing hope, I tried to knead Italian bread. Of course, I kneaded it, but it took twice as long. And looking at his attempts and running around the table in spite of the suckers, I wanted to cry. Well, in short, without thinking twice, I brought him back to his original form, packed him nicely and sent him back to where he came from. Fortunately, the store turned out to be decent, although at first they tried a little, but the money was returned. Naturally, I lost for sending to me and back. Well, who is a doctor to me. So my such a long story for those who are in search, passing by KENWOOD PROSPERO, go and bypass. Don't be fooled by the beauty and loud name Kenwood. It's just that when I was looking for reviews on it, I could not understand so specifically why there are unflattering reviews, if there are many positive ones as well. My conclusion is positive or customized, or there is nothing to compare, except perhaps with a whisk on a blender. And its price is a maximum of $ 50, and certainly not $ 250-300, as some stores are still trying to sell them.

[Eva3]

Eva3, and at one time I almost bought this very Prospero, I also looked at inexpensive kneaders and looked at Bosch, aaa then I took Domo and I'm glad!

[Eva3]

Eva3 , I can say that for me the same disappointment was, at one time, Kenwood Patissier ,. I bought it, given the glorious name of the model, as a kneader and it proved to be a useless, expensive and heavy toy. I used it for a year and sold it.

Well, I hope my review will help someone not to commit stupidity. True, now I have another problem, to finally make a choice. So far, I'm hesitating between the Zelmer ZFP-1100 Food Processor 🔗 and Kitchen Mixer / Kneader Bella Rossa Klarstein Germany 🔗 ... I'm more inclined to the second option.

[Eva3]

Eva3and the kneading hooks in this Kenwood and Saturn were similar? Or different shapes?
IMHO, I will not give up my words that it is not the harvester that kneads, but the nozzle. And the least powerful youngest Boshik for 6 thousand kneads the dough for me much more beautiful than more than twice as powerful Kenwood for 40.))
True, the Panasonic bread maker makes them both according to the quality of the dough, but that's a different story.

No, in Saturn, as in most planetary mixers, of the type now considered models. And in Kevud, the hook itself was different, some kind of thin. Well, a beater with a whisk is also thinner and softer. Well, I didn't even try to knead with a hook. And their fastening is different.

Well, I didn't even try to knead with a hook.

And what did you try to knead?

Italian bread # on sourdough. The first knead with a bitter spatula for 30 seconds until all the ingredients are moistened, rest for 20-30 minutes and then literally in 5 minutes with the same spatula a gorgeous bun at maximum speed. The power of my kneader is only 650W.
I tried to repeat this whole procedure with Kenwood. Well, by the way, I described all this above. True, in Kenwood, I was afraid to set the maximum speed so as not to steal it on the very first day.
At maximum speed, I tried to whisk 2 eggs into an omelette. The result was disappointing.

At maximum speed, I tried to whisk 2 eggs onto an omelette. The result was disappointing.

I can't say anything here. And about the dough ... You can shower me with slippers, but this Prospero has a kneading hook and rotation features very much like Boshikov. Here in the video Prospero kneads a quite thick dough with a hook.

My Kenwood with a more "traditional" and certainly thicker hook makes it much worse - I can't get a kolobok, the dough crawls up the hook. The bottom rubs against the bowl - the top dangles in the air in its original state. It is necessary to stop, pull off, stir ... and as a result, the dough overheats before it is kneaded.)) But for machines with small bowls there are no normal hooks yet and are unlikely to be ... smooth dough, IMHO.

Let's hope your new car does it even better!

It only seems so on video. According to them, I made a choice, but did not believe the real reviews on this forum. Here, by the way, they also wrote that it crawls up, weak, etc. Well, judging by the way the head jumps (although it is considered normal), it will not withstand such exploitation for a long time. It's just that live it is so fragile and delicate, from two eggs the head became decently warm and the beginning smells like burnt plastic. I’ll keep silent about how it got hot and started to smell when I kneaded the dough. Perhaps I'm certainly mistaken and it will withstand at least the warranty period of not very tough operation, but after feeling it and seeing its work live, I somehow did not want to check it.

[Eva3]

Eva3, no, no, I do not dispute your decision! Whatever one may say, but for myself I didn't buy this either.))
But you should have seen how the 4 Boshik rocks and smells!



By the way, there seems to be the owner of Prospero here on the forum. As far as I remember, I was very pleased.

Well, when will someone already decide on the Belarusian Planetary mixer PM-7. I really want to hear feedback from a real user.

Planetary mixer PM-7

Ooh ... 500 watts for 15 kilograms? This already looks like a real car.))

This already looks like a real car.))

So this is prof. Mixer-kneader without any additional bells and whistles. Workhorse. Not available in household appliances stores. Only in prof. equipment.

Biju, well, maybe it's just not my technique turned out to be, we didn't fuse with it. And I didn’t have a high opinion of my Saturn precisely because of this swing. True, he is on the suction cups so monolithically stands on the table, you cannot tear it off by force, and he didn’t get particularly warm, unless he was given a load under 2 kg of cake dough, for which it was not designed in all respects. Before that, I quietly envied the owners of the more serious Kenwoods. But it turns out you just need to look for your assistant.

And there are no normal hooks for cars with small bowls yet and are unlikely to be ...

Why not? Long ago there is a spiral Kenwood hook for 4.6L bowls. Even a couple of years ago.

Personally, I wouldn't consider Prospero either. Although, I know a pastry chef girl, for whom he worked well for 4 years and she was pleased with him, then she took induction. After buying which, I realized that Prospero is not just an elementary, but a kindergarten class of cars.

People set different tasks for machines, moreover, there are some landmarks from the existing ones. After buying Kenwood, for about a couple of weeks I could not get used to the speed, all the processes were somewhat slower - beat the proteins, knead the dough. With a hand mixer, the whites were whipped much faster. This is understandable, I drove the mixer along the bowl in different directions, and did not hold the whisks strictly in the center, plus I twisted the bowl. But with a mixer, proteins have never been whipped like in a planetary mixer.

My Kenwood with a more "traditional" and certainly thicker hook makes it much worse - I can't get a kolobok, the dough crawls up the hook. The bottom rubs against the bowl - the top hangs in the air in its original state. It is necessary to stop, pull off, stir ...and eventually the dough overheats before it is kneaded.))

I agree, I stop all the time and put the bun down when making yeast dough. Although at first it seemed fabulously kneading. HP Panasonic kneads yeast better, knocks it out with a small spatula.

Well, when will someone already decide on the Belarusian Planetary mixer PM-7. I really want to hear feedback from a real user.

Looked at the characteristics. A serious machine, it seems to me that even if you use it for a home pastry chef, the PM-5 will be enough for your eyes.
But what a handsome man!

Why not? Long ago there is a spiral Kenwood hook for 4.6L bowls. Even a couple of years ago.

Yes?? As time flies, it means. It seemed to me that from the strength of six months ago you said that Kenwood released such a hook for a small bowl, but when it will be in Russia is a big question. I periodically monitored him among the nozzles and asked the Kenwood representative on another forum - there was nothing for some reason. ((
Can you have a reference, if not difficult? Or does the FAK already have nozzles? Thank you.

[Bijou]

Bijou, the Reference contains both the article and the picture

Bijou, the Reference contains both the article and the picture

AND? Thank you, I've already seen the pictures. Now I would like to see the hook in my car. A request to the office. site or site with spare parts gives an amazing answer!

Search results for “KW716547”

Sorry, but I'm for the accuracy of the wording.)) If someone says that there is such a nozzle for bowls of this size, then I drive its number into a search engine, choose a convenient store for me and buy.
And the hypothetical "somewhere there seems to be something necessary under this number" my yeast dough has never been an assistant, you must agree.

[Bijou]

Bijou, and what have I got to do with it, if the Russian office of Kenwood is not so friendly?

There is a service center that brings from abroad to Russia on order, if you know the article. In the Kenwood theme, the girls thus ordered bowls for themselves and parts from a sieve, repeatedly wrote and gave a link, and many ordered various parts for themselves there.

Those who really need it, and at the same time for some reason cannot order abroad, they did this a long time ago. 🔗

[Bijou]

Bijou, Lena, yes there is your hook on ibey, but I do not know how much shipping will cost. You can search in Germany and order through whispers ...

The hook, by the way, looks great. We would have released one for kitchen

[no]

Biju, Lena, yes there is your hook on the ibey, but I don't know how much the delivery will cost.

Yeah. My daughter, seeing my melancholy, offered to pay and give me a gift. Moreover, she had a registration on Ibei. Until I found out that this self-made hook with delivery costs almost like all of her Boshik with a meat grinder and a bunch of attachments. Then her common sense rebelled, and the gift did not break off to me.

Those who really need it, and at the same time for some reason cannot order abroad, they did this a long time ago. 🔗

Thank you very much.))

It's time to ask for a link to those who saw this hook with their own eyes, and preferably in their kitchen. In the meantime, the wording will be "normal hook for dough on cars with a bowl of 4.6 liters no... Although ... theoretically ... according to the secret intelligence of our spies behind enemy lines ... maybe someday ... and it will be possible to buy. For now, this is a myth for our country. "

[Bijou]

Bijou, I don't understand ... Is this some kind of feature of selective reading and perception of the written text? Or such trolling? Or is it just a position in life that something that has not been offered on a platter does not exist?

Where in my post it says that the hook there is in the service center, what are you showing me a screenshot of his absence?

What exactly is not clear in the phrase?

There is a service center that brings from abroad to Russia on order, if you know the article.

Which word evokes an inverted understanding of what is written - brings? under the order? if you know the article?

I'm afraid I can't help you.

Is this some kind of feature of selective reading and perception of the written text?

Approximately.)) I understood as usual: not knowing the article - not to buy a nozzle. Duc is almost everywhere the case. I entered the article on the site - there is no attachment. It didn't even come to mind that an exclusively individual approach to the client is needed ... Probably, you have to call or write?

Well, if this is included in the concept of "there is a nozzle on sale", then yes, it does not fit into my logic yet, sorry.

But as against the background of Kenwood, the bread maker looks great as a dough mixer! In my life I would not have thought until I tried to compare.

[Bijou]

Probably you have to call or write?

Not, Bijou, Lena You are clearly not a Kenwood addict! You have no idea what the people are doing to get the necessary attachments, which are discontinued or very rare. And then, just call and pre-order. Yes, it can be considered a VIP service

Well, okay, this is no longer this topic.

Well, if this is included in the concept of "there is a nozzle on sale", then yes, it does not fit into my logic yet, sorry.

It also cannot converge.

After all, I did not write "on sale", but you read this in some of your parallel reality. Therefore, without a hook

[Bijou]

Ooh ... 500 watts for 15 kilograms? This already looks like a real car.))

Bijou,
Planetary mixer MP-7 Torgmash, Belarus
Simultaneous loading of ingredients:
when kneading dough: no more: 0.6 kg.
when whipping cream: no more: 1.5 kg.
when beating eggs: 14 pcs.
Deja: removable.
Working body: lifting.
Bowl volume: 7 l.
Number of speeds: variator (smooth regulation).
Whisk rotation speed: 75 - 660 rpm.
Tool operating mode (on the speed selector):
hook: 1; 2; 3.
shoulder blade: 4; 5; 6; 7 .:
whisk: 8; nine; ten; eleven.
Complete set: spatula, whisk and hook.
Voltage: 220 V.
Power: 0.51 kW.
Dimensions: 240x240x420 mm. Weight 15 kg. 1 year warranty.

15 kg will not fit in a 7L bowl. There is no photo of the hook and spatula, but the whisk - metal rods are attached to the plastic, the nozzle is not adjustable. The price in Kiev is 14 352 gr., For this money you can in the office. shop buy Kenwood Elite, with 6 nozzles and a 5-year warranty.
And the hooks for the new Kenwood line were in Kiev at the office. store, I bought myself another one. He who seeks will always find!

and the whisk - metal rods are attached to plastic

Something I didn't see the plastic in the video Watch at 3:50. He takes out a whisk. By the way, there is a very interesting story about the corollas on the big Kenwood. I don’t remember where, however, I can’t orientate in minutes.

The price in Kiev is 14 352 gr., For this money you can in the office. shop buy Kenwood Elite, with 6 nozzles and a 5-year warranty.

Yes, it is impossible to compare these machines at all. This is a highly specialized professional, not a household mixer-dough mixer.

To be honest, I started a conversation about this Torgmash. I really want to hear feedback from real owners, if any, on the forum

No, Bijou, Lena, you are clearly not a Kenwood addict!

That's yes ... ((Turning me into a dedicated fan is extremely difficult. Unless the product is flawless ...

It also cannot converge.

Well, call me.)) If they tell me "is" in plain text, I usually expect that this "is" just can be bought. And not to get / get (damn, already Soviet diffsit I remembered, God forgive me).
Okay, let's hide the topic.
It's just that people buying this kind of car for not the smallest money can for some reason naively expect that it will knead silky dough for them right out of the box. So I am in favor of agreeing on the shore - you can buy a car, it will be difficult to knead it until smooth, an upgrade to the correct state costs money, time and not sickly troubles of orders through abroad.

15 kg will not fit in a 7L bowl.

Should you ??

[Svetlenki]

Something I didn't see the plastic in the video

Svetlenki, you can see from the photo, unless, of course, the metal is painted with black paint, but on the video there is metal.
Kneading into 600 g of flour (or are these all the ingredients?) For me personally, nothing.
Maybe there are owners of this car, but so far they are silent. Outwardly very impressive.

Should you ??

Bijou, here is your quote "Oooh ... 500 watts per 15 kilograms? This already looks like a real car.))", what was meant is not clear.

what was meant is not clear

Yes? Then I will explain.) We are already accustomed to the fact that household appliances are sold to us, supplying them with some watts completely unthinkable for common sense. A plastic flimsy Boshik weighing 3 kilograms has supposedly 600 watts, Kenwood is heavier, 7 kilograms, but the power is already 1400.))
And here a device weighing 15 kilograms has a "dubious" power of some modest half a kilowatt. At the same time, professional cars can easily have the declared power even lower (now I read in the characteristics for an Italian car - weight 65 kg, dough load 12 kg, power ... 0, 37 kW.))
That's why she said that with such dimensions and weight, declaring only 0.51 kW is really not like a pop model.

[Bijou]

Bijou, just the power did not surprise me, 15 kg surprised me. Kitchen also has 300 - 350 declared capacity. For kneading the dough, in fact, a large W is not needed. In my opinion, any dough mixer is capable of perfectly kneading the dough, everything depends not on it, but on the competent actions of the baker. But why 600g when kneading, and what is meant, flour or all the ingredients, and there is somehow little cream, only 1.5 liters, but with eggs too much, at least 10 fit (I mean with sugar on a biscuit). If you only need a mixer, then perhaps not bad. But the price is very high.

can for some reason naively expect that she will knead a silky dough right out of the box

My expectations were met - the silky dough has been kneading right out of the box for almost three years now. It would be naive to expect a lower end model to mix out of the box just like the flagship.

With a stainless steel spiral hook, which gives a good result, Kenwood completes the Elite series (not sold in the Russian Federation, sold in Ukraine and other countries), the Titanium series and the induction model. And also a separate series of kMix.

IMHO, I will not give up my words that it is not the harvester that kneads, but the nozzle.

I completely agree!
The large spiral Kenwood hook makes it easy to compare with good kneaders. It's not as perfect as, say, a hook from the very expensive Häussler, which is three times more expensive than the most expensive Kenwood, but in tests it is as close to it as possible, which makes it one of the best among household cars. Kenwood kitchen machine: working with attachments # 1751

So I am for agreeing on the shore - you can buy a car, it will be difficult to knead until smooth

Not against an agreement on the shore, very much for it.
If the main requirement for a mixer / kneader is dough, then you should look towards prof. kneaders, and if you want Kenwood, then you need to start looking at the Elite model.

Everything else will be subject to reservations, compromises, and will require adjustment. With which, without a doubt, you can live happily, which is confirmed by positive reviews on various budget models. It's just that not all reviews may correspond specifically to your intended use case for the technique. Not all reviews are written by people who have tried different techniques. And not all reviews are written at least six months after repeated use of the technique.

If they tell me "is" in plain text, I usually expect that this "is" just can be bought.

I wrote about this

position in life, that what was not brought on a silver platter does not exist?

Your ability to perceive information and argue from scratch does not negate the following facts.

• Spiral hook for 4.6L there are bowls - that's a fact.
• The Russian management of Kenwood is shit, unable to establish either user support or a service that would correspond to the level of the brand, and which is in other countries - this is also a fact.
• Kenwood's technique doesn't get any worse because the Russian leadership is shit - it's also a fact.
• The Kenwood lineup has a different price, because it is either assembled from cheaper parts, or is equipped with cheaper nozzles in a box, or fewer nozzles, or all this together is also a fact.
• Kenwood is expensive because the price for the brand is added to the price tag, which makes the elementary classes lose in some processes (from the point of view of an experienced cook) in price / quality to lesser-known firms or highly specialized professors. dough mixers - fact
• You don't have to buy a flagship to get the desired result. It is also a fact to raise the class of the car and get the desired result by buying a cheaper model and replacing the hook from the box with the hook from the flagship.
• A service center, which you can contact, say any article of a part that is not for sale at the moment, and this part will be brought to Russia on order, and even for extra. money for home delivery is also a fact.

If the main requirement for a mixer / kneader is dough, then you should look towards prof. kneaders, and if you want Kenwood, then you need to start looking at the Elite model.

I support Miranda.
And also prof. The kneader will never whip up whites, cream, will not make biscuit and muffin dough of the same quality as Kenwood will.

I received my new toy today, my feelings are still contradictory. Well, in general, while I like everything, beat 2 eggs for an omelet. The eggs themselves were so-so hooked, as I added 50 grams of milk, then it went well, it was whipped well. I added a spoonful of incomplete flour, then it seems to me I did not want to mix well, stirred it with a spoon, then it went well. So it is definitely not suitable for small portions. Anyway, there is a hand mixer in case of emergency. I haven't done anything else yet, I'll knead bread tomorrow.
And this is next to my old Saturn. Now I certainly understood how I underestimated him, he may not be quite handsome, but he was a good worker




And the stirrers are nearby. They do not differ much, but the average from the new one did not please me at all. Well, maybe it will justify itself in work

[Eva3]

Eva3, oh, rubber band beater, two in one.
Tell me, what is the beater made of? from the photo it seems that it is plastic.

May you like it and the agony of choice will end!

Well, yes, it’s some kind of platmass, only the plastic is not rigid, but somehow plastic or something, it seems it can be bent.
Well, I hope I'll stop there. I took it through the OLH, without a guarantee, no return is provided. This is a stock from Germany. But on the other hand, it is decently cheaper than in the official store.

[Eva3]

Eva3, well, if you do not knead very hard, then there should be nothing terrible.

And for how much in hryvnia it turned out, if not a secret?

[Eva3]

Eva3, our Nelly Nila there is a similar Klarstein, she also bought at the OLH last year. Search on the topic, there is her report somewhere.

in UAH 2550 plus delivery. If translated into dollars, then in 2014 I paid for Saturn in about the same way.
svetta, that's just the review of Neli Nila and pushed me to this purchase. I wrote in PM with her and with svet_lana.