Kneading machines

If it's not difficult for you to explain your preferences

Because I like it better than the Kenwood KMC570. By the way, I am the owner of Kenwood, I had 020 (I loved and love him very much), and now I love Cooking Chef, too.

[Svetlana]

I found this in the official online store
Why is the KitchenAid mixer only 300 watts, yet our planetary mixers are significantly more reliable and more powerful than those rated over 1000 watts.
The answer to this question is very simple.
Other household brands have pulsed power (for a few seconds) indicated. KitchenAid mixers, thanks to their design and material of manufacture, are able to maintain an operating mode of 300 W for 10 minutes - this makes them a semi-professional technique.

Something I do not understand from a technical point of view, full nonsense of 300 watts for the engine is a trifle, and the time of 10 minutes is nothing at all
My Kenwood on the dough kneading (obviously more than 300 W) works for an hour and there are no problems
At maximum speed (something needs to be whipped), 15-20 minutes are not uncommon

Added Saturday 25 Feb 2017 3:57 PM

Because I like it better than the Kenwood KMC570.

Lovely Svetlana can words explain this love

[Vlad_Ru]

I'll agree.
If you choose between the younger Kenwood and Kitchen, then the problem of choice is there

But if between the elder Kenwood and Kitchen ...
OR there is a desire to overgrow with nozzles, and they, as correctly noted, Vlad_Ru, Kenwood is more affordable and available + market b. at. wider
OR if there is a theoretical possibility then to upgrade to an older model, which means that the attachments will be inherited ...

I'm for Kenwood

But if between the younger Kenwood and the task is only a kneader and a beater, that is, nozzles are not planned at all, then Kitchen can compete and torture with a choice

PS there is an induction Kenwood, Kitchen only saw, touched and worked on it for five minutes

But all nozzles are suitable for all machines, that is, if you want to replace the car, then you do not need to think about the nozzles, but Kenwood is not a fact, they decided to abandon the medium-speed, that is, in the future these nozzles are ejected, buy new ones. Moreover, some nozzles are thought out better (my opinion), some nozzles are the same in price as those of the cache, and the nozzle for curly paste already comes with a bunch of disks. And from the expensive, but necessary, only a food processor for me, but you can buy it from someone, and in the food processor there is also a cube cutter, that is, it combines 2 Ken's nozzles.

[Sedne]

Sedne, only the food processor goes to the medium-speed socket. Here, either replace or buy a new pin-mount.

But the mount was changed to a low-speed one, it's true. But an adapter is added to the new machines. I don't know how convenient it is.

Kitchen with baits that Kenwood does not have has a spiralizer, a raviolator and a can opener.

Kenwood has a mini-chopper (my favorite nozzle), a blender, a sieve-wipe, a soufflake.

The rest is everything (meat grinder, dough sheeter, juicers, etc.) - both are presented, the question is in convenience and design.
Separately about the combine.
I like Kitchenad's idea of ​​shrinking / enlarging slices with a button. And at Kenwood I love that there is a knife in the food processor. Kitchen has nothing at all with knives - no blender, no mini chopper, no food processor. Only a separate device is needed.

You can buy a heated bowl for any Kitchen (although if you buy in the Russian Federation, then it will be under 40 thousand). But Kenwood has this built-in function, if you didn't choose it right away, that's all. But to me, all the same, the built-in seems more convenient.
In short, there is something to think about and reflect on. Plus design.
It is an eternal question - who is better. Both.

But I like Kenwood better. Not because I have it. Here, on the contrary, I have it, because I like it more

You can buy a heated bowl for any Kitchen (although if you buy in the Russian Federation, then it will be under 40 thousand). But Kenwood has this built-in function, if you didn't choose it right away, that's all. But to me, all the same, the built-in seems more convenient.

This is a cup of pampering, if you need heating, then only Kenwood induction.

Kenwood has a mini-chopper (my favorite nozzle), a blender, a sieve-wipe, a soufflake.

I don't use anything, though I plan to buy a sieve. A little bit later.

But the mount was changed to a low-speed one, it's true. But an adapter is added to the new machines. I don't know how convenient it is.

It’s not convenient, I don’t like the cube, because you need to put on the fastener, and in general, until you put it together, you’ll disassemble everything by hand.

[Sedne]

Let me be showered with slippers, but I will give a little analysis from a technical point of view (after all, after all, the engineer was written in the diploma):
KitchenAid - the drive (motor) is in the upper part of the body (center of gravity is high), the transmission is carried out directly through the worm gear reducer (which means high vibration and lubrication requirements in the gearbox) and high speeds are not available, the speed is controlled by an electronically mechanical governor (reliability medium), the regulator is in a housing with a motor and a gearbox (not the best choice, vibrations)
Kenwood - the drive is in a vertical position in the housing rack, the transmission is carried out through a toothed belt to the gearbox (less vibrations) for medium speed, kneaders and meat grinders and others, high-speed goes directly from the motor shaft (this is not available for KitchenAid or only with an overdrive) , the speed control is carried out electronically, the regulator itself (quite reliable and not expensive) is located far enough from the gearbox and is less exposed to vibration.
For the price, KitchenAid is cheaper than $ 30. I have not seen in the European version, the attachments are also very, very not cheap, Kenwood can be found from 20 tr and above

At the expense of nozzles, I completely agree with Sedne, Svetlana Kenwood loves to do pussies

This is a cup of pampering, if you need heating, then only Kenwood induction.

I very politically correct said that I like the built-in more
But I meant it - a separate bowl of self-indulgence

I don't use anything, though I plan to buy a sieve. A little bit later.

Oh, and I use everything except a sieve (not yet with me).

The mini chopper is a favorite.
Soufleika also fell in love. If there is a lot of biscuit, souffle - a good nozzle.
I only master the blender, but I have completely switched from submersible to glass in terms of cream soups.

Not comfortable

I will not say about the adapter between the old and the new mount, I only saw it in the picture.

But I disagree about the cubes.
Yesterday I cut a lot of vinaigrette. He shred everything very quickly, worked less than two minutes on the timer, but this is taking into account that I did not immediately remember about cucumbers, and while I was working I cut off their butts. I dress and take off already quickly, got the hang of it. Wash for a short time.

Except that Kitchen has less storage space in one nozzle (theoretically).

Added Saturday 25 Feb 2017 05:20 PM

At the expense of nozzles, I completely agree with Sedne, Svetlana Kenwood loves to make podlyanki

With a new mount for the low speed socket + abandoning the medium speed (one nozzle) - a trash for old users.

But, in fairness, the change of mount has occurred for the first time in many decades. I'm afraid to lie, but fifty years for sure.

So it is incorrect to talk about love for pussies.
For the only time in many years, cardinal changes can hardly be called a love of pranks. Moreover, there are adapters.

What is the reason for the new mount is unknown.
Either it is better, or more profitable.

Can you please tell me how to use bonuses on the computerniverce website when buying? Where to click there? I don't understand anything, I see where the account says 150 bonuses and in brackets (redeem) click there? And why buy back?

Dear forum users! Explain what is the prom code on a computer in German

good day!

Please advise which of the inexpensive kneaders to choose?
I stopped at
Bomann KM 398 CB, Titan
First FA-5259
Clatronic KM 3647

criteria - up to 8000r, power 1200, metal bowl - 6L each

the question remains open - convenience and reliability.

I will be very grateful for the advice!

boman probably only it seems to me these are planetary mixers, and the kneader is ankastrum electrolux

Ankastrum Electrolux

well, this is industrial production)
and for me for home-made grain bread for 1.5-2 kg of flour (the bread maker already can hardly cope with such volumes)

and for me for home-made grain bread for 1.5-2 kg of flour (the bread maker already can hardly cope with such volumes)

Of course, I am not such a great specialist in planetary mixers, but I am afraid the "kneaders" you mentioned will not cope with so much flour. I have Moulinex (power 900 W), so he kneads 0.5 kg of flour for dumplings dough almost to the limit, but you want 2-3 times more (though maybe the dough is different, easier - you didn't write) ...

the truth may be different dough, easier - you did not write

ordinary rye bread, grain. do you think 1200 power will not cope?

no, of course only in portions it can, with such volumes, probably only an industrial one will cope even in kenwoods, the limit of 800g in my opinion How will he mix such a quantity

and for me for homemade grain bread for 1.5-2 kg of flour

I apologize for interfering, but this amount of flour is already a semi-professional category, the Kenwoods are already older models.

for homemade grain bread for 1.5-2 kg of flour

Such a volume will not pull even for 8 thousand, and the largest Kenwood is expensive with a maximum of 1 kg. and then, depending on which dough (well, if the dough is soft, then maybe 1.2 kg, but it's doubtful).

Either change the amount of flour, or consider a different category.
For example Starfood M8 (8 liters bowl) or Starfood M10 (10 liters). Or else it is googled by the name Сonvito. And it's better to catch them on Avito, then for 20 thousand. you can catch it, or for 15 thousand if you're lucky.

Here they wrote about a similar one, well, below there is a little discussion of 1-2 pages
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=8100.0

And exactly what you mean is 1.5-2 kg of flour, and not the finished dough?

largest Kenwood expensive maximum 1kg

strange my SUPRA BMS-355 with a capacity of 650 mixes 400 water per 1 kg of flour .. or does the mixer have a different principle?

Added Wednesday 15 March 2017 2:30 pm

And I definitely mean 1.5-2 kg of flour, and not the finished dough

I now bake 400-500 water for 0.8-1 kg of flour + grain 200-400g corn, oats, buckwheat
the bread maker is already barely doing it
but my spinogryses eat such bread in 2 days) I was thinking to increase the volume of a loaf)

[Vitamin]

Vitamin, understandably. I just thought it was a mistake.

[Vitamin]

Vitamin, the maximum capacity according to the instructions for Kenwood with a bowl of 6.7 liters: for bread with yeast flour (meaning wheat) - 1.5 kg, the total weight of the dough is 2.4 kg. For a weak yeast dough in butter and eggs flour - 2.6 kg, total dough weight - 5 kg. From my own experience, I knead rye-wheat dough with 950 g of flour and this is not the limit. Check out the Kenwood Classic 636 series, you often have promotions on them. Well, Ankarsrum for a large family, of course, is what you need - it is reliable and kneads well, it also has attachments - a meat grinder, etc. (we have them for 650 euros). Successful choice!

[Peter Push]

Peter Push, Oh thanks!
You are right as always!

So Kenwood can
In theory, another kneader with a bowl of 7 liters can.

I now bake 400-500 water for 0.8-1 kg of flour

Whoa! This is already some kind of noodles in terms of moisture.

This is some kind of noodles

I now bake 400-500 water
for 0.8-1 kg of flour + grain 200-400g corn, oats, buckwheat
very heavy thick dough turns out

very heavy thick dough turns out

Not that word.)) I knead such proportions on dumplings - almost a crumb turns out.
And you can be curious - why is it so cool?

[Miranda]

So Kenwood can
In theory, another kneader with a bowl of 7 liters can.

Miranda, no, and again no, what Kesha can handle, budget plastic ones will be a lot, although the bowls are about the same. I know this from personal experience, there the work is 10 minutes. and a break, many now turn off themselves, but they heat up strongly, not kneading, but feeling the device. Vitamin often and kneads a lot, so I can't recommend budgetary ones, so from 636 and start choosing, or even buying in Germans - a discount on KMM 770 - 50%, and for those who make dough from 600g, but once a week, you can also budgetary.

Whoa! This is already some kind of noodles in terms of moisture

Yes, Bijou, the moisture is not on the bread dough. The taste and color ..., but with such a dough, the product can only be called bread with a stretch. For 1 kg of flour water will go at least 650 g. And what does it mean "+ grain 200-400 g corn, oats, buckwheat" flour or whole grains swollen in water?

And you can be curious - why is it so cool?

so a rye grain bun should be steep, otherwise it rises worse
but it's not like a crumb of course) just much denser than wheat.

Added Wednesday 15 March 2017 5:52 PM

And what does it mean "+ grain 200-400g corn, oats, buckwheat" flour or whole grains swollen in water?

ground into flour - buckwheat, oats and corn grits. add immediately to the dough.

Miranda, no, and again no, the fact that Kesha can handle it, it will be a lot of budget plastic ones, although the bowls are about the same. I know this from personal experience, there the work is 10 minutes. and a break, many now turn off themselves, but they heat up strongly, not kneading, but feeling the device.

By the way, I don't know if there are budget ones with a bowl of 7 liters.

But here you are also right, I completely forgot that the budget ones cannot work continuously for a long time. Many not only half an hour in a row, but even 15 minutes cannot.

I completely agree with your recommendations.

[Vitamin]

so rye grain bun and should be cool

Vitamin, rye dough should not have a kolobok, the consistency of the dough is thick sour cream. Rye-wheat dough (rye flour 60-80%) also does not have a kolobok, but wheat-rye dough (rye flour 40-20%) is thicker, almost like wheat.

Added Wednesday 15 March 2017 06:35 PM

budget ones cannot work continuously for a long time. Many not only half an hour in a row, but even 15 minutes cannot.

With my Klatronic I kneaded cake with Myasoedovskaya for 0.5 and for another year for three-fourths portions of 20 minutes each, oh, how hot it was, and the dough there tends to Italian in consistency, and the speed there 2 equals somewhere from minimum to 1 in Kenwood, maybe a little more than half the distance to the side 1. Now I understand that the dough was not quite what the author of the recipe recommended .... I beat eggs with sugar well, far from Keshina's work, but ok. Squirrels in steep peaks (not in foam) did not beat even 10 minutes. working at the fastest speed, there were soft peaks, with a small puddle at the bottom. Minced meat on cutlets kneaded well.

Attention ! On the computer appeared kitchen in a single copy for 300v and for 20 rubles Who wants to make out faster

Added on Tuesday 21 Mar 2017 02:44 PM

I looked in an hour - no longer. And he was so beautiful, I wonder where he went

Hello! So I think I will soon get a Bomann KM 398 CB, Titan dough mixer, the order is on the way. Here, there is information that may come in handy.

Hello! So I think I will soon get a Bomann KM 398 CB, Titan dough mixer, the order is on the way. Here, there is information that may come in handy.

tell us later. I look at him too

Girls, hello.
Help with advice, you need a kneader for steep dough, for dumplings and dumplings. I would like to knead 1.5-2.5 kg of dough. I don't really know what to choose. The price seems to be up to 15,000 thousand, but this is straight with the stress of the family budget.

[Tata-Kira]

Girls, hello.
Help with advice, you need a kneader for steep dough, for dumplings and dumplings. I would like to knead 1.5-2.5 kg of dough. I don't really know what to choose. The price seems to be up to 15,000 thousand, but this is straight with the stress of the family budget

Tata-Kira, yes, there is a small choice, plastic combines disappear immediately, Kenwood with a bowl of 6.7 liters is able to knead a steep yeast dough weighing 2.4 kg (and you need dumplings, which is even cooler), this is also not the same for you, there remain Häussler (Alpha 2G) and Ankarsrum, not cars, but a dream, but expensive. What is there to do? If you want to drive in a car at 300 km / h, then you are not buying a Zaporozhets or a Zhiguli ... Good luck!

Kenwood with a bowl of 6.7 liters is able to knead a steep yeast dough weighing 2.4 kg (and you need dumplings, which is even cooler) ...

And how much dumplings can Kenwood 6.7l knead?

Hello! Dough mixer "Bomann KM 398 CB, Titan" received, used today. Power - 1200, swivel sleeve - plastic, bowl - stainless steel - 6.3 liters, engine protection against overheating - there is, in general, DETAILED CHARACTERISTICS are all described in the description. I took the recipe here
Today I baked bread for 500 gr. flour. I put everything for the recipe in the bowl, turned on speed 1, the dough was kneaded into a bun quickly, turned on speed 2, the dough began to spin at such a speed that I thought it would jump out of the bowl. I switched on 1 speed again and calmly kneaded for 5 minutes, as stated in the recipe and in the instructions, a break of 10 minutes. can be turned on again - this is for yeast dough, in other cases, lighter dough and whipping, you can work without stopping for 10 minutes. The manual says, 2.5 kg can be used. flour, therefore the speed is designed for such a volume. The kneading was impressive, but the top of the kneader was shaking. I watched several videos in other kneaders, it also happens. The attachments are not dishwasher safe. Heat and harsh cleaning agents can deform or discolor the attachments. This is all that at the first time I could notice.

[galina2016]

galina2016, GalinaCongratulations, may it serve well and for a long time! I really liked the way she kneads the dough. In turn, I want to warn you, do not overload the car. I had one, but when kneading bread dough for 1.2 kg. flour scattered the transmission gear on the hook. It's good that the warranty is 2 years, money back. So, take care of the hard worker.

lou, Natalia
Thank you for the advice, of course, there are many difficulties with the equipment, I want it to serve for a long time, but expensive dough mixing machines sometimes break down, we only hope for the best, and the warranty is 1 year; the bread was excellent.

[Sens]

And how much dumplings can Kenwood 6.7l knead?

Sens, take a look here (but I'm unlikely to discover something new for you) https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...ion=com_smf&topic=50979.0.

I read the whole topic (yes, right, all 100 pages), there is little information about budget options) I agree that they write "good equipment cannot be cheap", but if I don't have a lot of money for it! Do not take credit)) but buy something urgently, a simple mixer - and it burned out, there is nothing ((I want to knead the dough for bread and gingerbread, you can dumplings, but not necessarily, and whipped proteins. Budget 5- 6 thousand. Are there owners of such inexpensive equipment?)

[Bomann KM]

but you urgently need to buy something, a simple mixer - and it burned out, there is nothing ((I would like to knead the dough for bread and gingerbread, you can use dumplings, but not necessarily, and whip the squirrels. Budget 5-6 thousand. There are owners of this inexpensive equipment?)

Take a look Bomann KM https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=426690.0
reviews are normal

Thanks for the answer! True, it costs 7700, does not fit into my budget ((maybe there is something else cheaper?)

True, it costs 7700, does not fit into my budget ((maybe there is something else cheaper?)

it may be cheaper, but I can't say for the quality
see First FA-5259-2, Silver dough mixer 🔗
Only the simplest mixer is cheaper, not a dough mixer.

Look more like this

🔗

[imanshi]

imanshi, buy Boman on Compuniverse. With delivery 6t. R.

[irman]

irman,

Look more like this

I do not recommend this one

Yes, in Eldorado they are a little cheaper, but the power is 600 watts, the reviews are good.

[imanshi]

imanshi, out of curiosity I follow the advice, I join Vlad_Ru, looked at First FA-5259-2 an interesting machine and it is just like a kneader. Planetary mixers, even more expensive for soft dough, and better for liquid

[First FA-5259-2]

Planetary mixers, even more expensive for soft dough, and better for liquid

Physics has not been canceled
For a planetary dough, if a steep dough needs more power and preferably a mass so that it does not jump on the table, but this First FA-5259-2 works on a different principle.