Bread Maker Kenwood BM450

... You correctly assumed that the stove was not properly closed, ...
... put the old K350 and the new K450 side by side,
... When the stove was opened after the end of the process, steam escaped from the K350, nothing from the K450. The K350 worked well. It turned out that in the K450 the gasket that runs along the perimeter of the stove itself has special "navels" that prevent the lid from snuggling. Why is this done? ...

Who can tell what kind of "navels" the K450 has? Are these shipping parts?
Because of this, the lid gasket does not fit snugly and the bread dries out a lot during baking.

[Vanya28]

Vanya28, I had it packed from the factory (that is, in 2 boxes), no "navels" seemed to exist ... Perhaps it appeared in new deliveries ... When you open the lid, after completion, steam really does not go. Condensation forms during baking (lifting). I just can't say that it dries! The bread is perfect. Maybe the gasket is out of place? Now I can’t look at the presence of "pumpkins" and say 100%, I bake bread ... By the way, black, in your opinion Vanya28 recipe, first time ...

[excess]

Yes, there are pumpkins. There are 2 of them, very low, on a pad. IMHO they have little effect on the process, the lid closes very tightly with them, and they are needed so that they do not form excess steam. Bread should still be baked, not boiled!

I completely forgot ... There are many technological holes in the oven for steam to escape. They certainly bring out more steam than the lid !!! Plus a convection oven!

[Lady]

Ladymaybe a breakdown? Ugh, ugh, ugh ... Maybe the convection is jammed, and the fan is constantly blowing, drying out? Can't you hear the constant fan operation?
I have a lid without a gasket sooo tight! Check this gasket ... well, move it there a little ... Maybe it is not in the grooves.
It is also possible that you have a gap not on the front side, where there are projections on the gasket, but on the back, where is the mount? Then "debris" could get into the fastening system, and slightly lift the cover. Remove the cover, blow into the groove ... Or the fastening mechanism on the cover is poorly assembled. But then you need very careful tighten without overtightening the screws (the glass is very easy to overtighten, the slightest deformations and will crack)

Mr. Flasher, thanks for your willingness to help. I believe that there is no marriage or breakdowns, probably so conceived.
I will share my know-how. I covered 6x2 holes on the inner back wall of the chamber and, just in case, the gap between the lid and the body, with a dough. I left the holes on the inner side surface of the camera open.
The result met my expectations, by the way, and the white bread became tastier and softer.

[Lady]

Lady, no, something is wrong with you! Without any know-how, everything turns out in the most magnificent way !!!!!

Firstborn !!!

[Deni $ Ok]

Deni $ Ok, Congratulations! And the instructions say: "Before use, remove all stickers"

[Deni $ Ok]

Deni $ Ok, Congratulations! And the instructions say: "Before use, remove all stickers"

And I start to read the instructions with the words: "plug into the socket"
Moreover, it is not clear why write this and immediately apply a sticker

[Deni $ Ok]

Deni $ Ok, one is advertising (for stores), others with programs - he knows it ... But on the case, it's okay, but it's probably better to remove the triangles from the lid, the lid heats up decently ...
PS Curiously, your wallpaper is exactly like mine ... (it's time for us to make repairs) Well, the oven is the same ...

Hurrah !!! It worked the first time!
The stove is simple, comfortable, not loud. (although I have not heard others). The bucket stands level and does not swing. In general, there are no complaints yet. The bread turned out to be excellent, at least in comparison with the store bread. I will dare further. In general, the general impression is a good choice, I do not regret it.Thanks again to everyone who expressed their opinions and experiences about different stoves, your advice helped to make the right choice.

I have a question here: if we take a standard program (for example 1), then after baking the HP goes automatically into heating .... Do I have to wait for the end of this heating, that is, in other words WHEN to take out the bread ??? When the oven has completely become, or after the end of baking.
What is included in the cycle?

can be taken out immediately after baking. I leave it warm for browning (I don’t really respect light-colored bread, I would rather be tanned), you can take it out at least after 10 minutes, at least after an hour - it's a matter of taste, how the color of the crust suits you best

Deni $ Ok, take out immediately, do not wait for the end of heating. The heating is, in principle, designed to work with a timer, in case you woke up later ... So that the bread in the oven would not get hot and cool completely. IMHO.

Thank you!
Opinions are divided:
1. Heating affects the crust
2. Heating - for those who overslept

[Deni $ Ok]

Deni $ Ok, indeed, the heating prevents the bread from "fogging up" if it is not possible to remove it immediately. At the same time, since a certain temperature level is maintained, the bread continues to dry, and therefore affects the crust.

What is recommended to do?

What is recommended to do?

The instructions clearly state what is recommended! "Take out the bread at once!"

[mr.Flasher]

mr.Flasher
Thank you. It's just enough for me from the word "turn on" to the word "press"

Tell me, owners of Kenwood-450, what is the mode number 11 and who does what on it? otherwise they are modestly silent about it in the recipe book ...

Tell me, owners of Kenwood-450, what is the mode number 11 and who does what on it? otherwise they are modestly silent about it in the recipe book ...

And here we discussed this homemade dough https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=1418.0

Yes, not loud ... Except for the cannon shot of the dispenser ...

come on, light click, I would say - no guns at all, and when I put it on the timer or don't need a dispenser, I just quietly take it out. I still pour additives after the signal, because I am spinning around, I control the bun and at night I got used to baking such bread that would not require a dispenser, and I take it out - in general, we found a common language

come on, light click, I would say - no guns at all, and when I put it on the timer or don't need a dispenser, I just quietly take it out. I still pour additives after the signal, because I am spinning around, I control the bun and at night I got used to baking such bread that would not require a dispenser, and I take it out - in general, we found a common language

But what, in Kenwood, the dispenser always opens?

But what, in Kenwood, the dispenser always opens?

on the "Baking" mode it definitely does not open, but in general, the modes of opening (and not opening) the dispenser are in the recipe book at the very bottom (as well as the minute description of all programs of the 450th model, you can download this book here: 🔗

Well, here's the first call to the service. The oil seal in the bucket broke. I noticed after making the jam, the axle was stuck tightly. When disassembling, I noticed a crack on the oil seal. Sugar penetrated into the sleeve, and, caramelized, glued everything tightly.
The service asked to carry the bucket along with the bread maker. After handing a hand, loaded into the car and drove off ... At the service center, we presented a faulty bucket, complained about the wear of the bucket and paddle cover. The aunts tried to convince us that this is normal, or that I use unknown products in the bread maker. Having assured those present that I did not interfere with the concrete in the bread maker, he broke through to the manager, who, with a sad look, promised to replace the spatula. A day later they called back, asked to come. In order not to walk twice, we immediately ordered a round bucket (thanks, members of the forum!). Total! Replaced the bucket with a new one! Replaced the blade with a new one. We gave away an old bucket and a shovel. In the bought round bucket, they found another new shovel.Now we have three of them! And three buckets! Upon arrival home, in a new bucket, a cupcake was instantly made according to a proven recipe. The cupcake was a third higher than usual. And the round cupcake somehow looks neater in shape. And the prepared muffin tasted better!

[Aiast]

Aiast, congratulations on the successful solution of the problem! How much is your stove already?

[Aiast]

Aiast, congratulations on the successful solution of the problem! How much is your stove already?

Purchased at the end of January.

Hello, we have a problem with you. We bought a bread maker and started making ordinary white bread. Everything was fine, but then we took the flour not in a small, but in a large package. But THE SAME FLOUR ...

Everything is fine, the dough rises, the cap rises, but in the last 20 minutes, during baking, everything starts to settle and holes are obtained (seen in the photo) ...

Everything was fine before ...

and what does your stove have to do with it? That way:

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=144.0
maybe describe in detail the recipe for your bread, what, how much, when and how you put it

Excellent base for pizza!
If you want to do it on purpose, you will never do it.

yes no, in my opinion there is sticky dough, raw inside, inedible

They gave 10g less water and bought a scale ... everything returned to normal. And, to the point, even when the bread was with a hole, everything was baked perfectly, both outside and inside, and the bread was delicious! What can not be said about our Feodosia atstoy for 2.50 (about 15 rubles) ... this is a complete fuck. The economic situation in Crimea (as well as in Ukraine in general) pushed to buy a bread maker ... although no ... it did not push, but gave a magic stump ...

To the article on the Internet I look at the weather in Feodosia (a week ago, and even now) It is written cloudy ... rains .... The warm sun ... But in fact, it was scorching heat and all the discos opened (our mayor changed and all the emergency became easier) ...

Hello dear bakers! I got a kenwood bm 450 as a gift. I tried it out at work. Russian recipes are available, but they are striking in brevity. Why doesn't the datasheet have Quick Start? With some difficulty, I made the first launch. It seems to me that he didn't get the kolobok - he looked out the window when the work allowed, but baking took place, though not very baked inside, apparently due to too much butter (recipe # 1 - egg white bread).
Question: Can you find a description of the technological processes for choosing automatic programs anywhere, similar to those given for Hitachi on the forum in "Bread with a Home Bread Maker" by Admin?

Question: is it possible to find somewhere a description of technological processes when choosing automatic programs ...

In the recipe book on the last pages.

[2 mr. Flasher]

2 mr. Flasher

In the recipe book on the last pages.

Thank you very much, I found it, I turn on slowly. I made sure that the work was correct - baking really lasted approx. 38 minutes

Tricky question...

I wanted to program a test mode on the weekend but only, - theoretically I can (according to the table of stages of my favorite programs from the instructions), but in practice ...

What do I do, for example:

Preheating	0 minutes
Mix 1	3 min
Mix 2	10 min
Rise 1	60 minutes
Mix 3	15 sec (does not change)
Rise 2	60 minutes
Mix 4	15 sec (unchanged, but since Climb 3 is set to 0, not performed)
Rise 3	0 minutes
Baking	0 minutes
Warming	0 minutes

In total, I want to get a program with the main batch and two lifts, the total time is 2 hours 13 minutes.

What do I get ... After the last confirmation (stage "Warming up" - 0 min) the stove beeps many times and "throws" another 10 minutes to the total time. As it turned out, she is laying down those ten minutes for the "Bake" phase !! But I don't need that. Moreover, when I went through this program again, came to the "Baking" stage, then it took 0 minutes - this is fantastic. After the last confirmation, everything repeats - 10 minutes on top and baking ...

What is it, a "glitch" of my stove or is it all like that? I'm not catching up with something ...

What is it, a "glitch" of my stove or is it all like that? I'm not catching up with something ...

This is true for everyone. Hands must be torn off the programmers who were engaged in the electronics of this stove (((

[mr.Flasher]

mr.Flasher, thanks for the information.

Well, there is nothing to say, programmers ... and I almost fried the dough. I saw it well on time.

And I thought that I could not figure it out. I wanted to make the "Borodinsky" regime, like in Mulinex. I could not
Who programmed their "favorite" programs?

This is probably easier in your case. You probably need the "Baking" stage. And I was talking about my program, which I was trying to make for the test ... and I could not, because this stage ("Baking") is not disabled, even if you set its duration = "0".

Here are some tips for baking black bread in this bread maker. In Kiev there is such a shop as "Bakery House" you will find the address in Google. There you can buy mixtures for yourself and immediately the price list will be for you with recipes, that's all the solutions to problems. Good luck

Comrades, we really need a recipe book in Russian for the 450 model.
Already exhausted trying to translate from Ukrainian or English, not strong in languages ​​(((Please share.

This "beast" broke down after a month and a half of not very intensive use! Details here
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...ion=com_smf&topic=9843.60

Here is the download link 🔗

I have a Kenwood VM200 bread machine, it has been working for 5 years, and I found recipes for it on

🔗

there are recipes for all Kenwood technique

This is true for everyone. Hands should be torn off the programmers who were engaged in the electronics of this stove (((

I'm actually shocked by this phenomenon
I am so sorry

I almost bought this stove, I was embarrassed by the shaking of the bucket and the inability to make a 5 hour proofing without mixing, so I took DeLongy 125, ugh, ugh - so far no problems

[julifera]

julifera, that great stove! Its functionality is no worse than Panasonic, and people in Panasonic bake everything perfectly. We can say the same price for Panas and Kenwood. In general, everything is fine.

The disadvantage, if I may say so, is that people programmed it, thinking not with their heads but in some other place

Are there no such mistakes in Delonge? It's strange, because Delongee is Kenwood

[mr.Flasher]

mr.Flasher only the other way around, DeLongy makes household appliances at a factory in China, marking Kenwood 🔗
🔗

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, OK. So this is the reason. In general, I'm still very pleased with Kenwood, and in terms of form factor, only this Kenwood fits in our kitchen.

My purely personal comparison of Panasonic 255 and Kenwood 450 on a 5-point system:
Panasonic
Quality: 5
Functionality (capabilities): 2
Design: 2
In total: 9 points

Kenwood
Quality: 2
Functionality: 3
Design: 5
In total: 10 points

Kenwood won

on the "Baking" mode it definitely does not open, but in general, the modes of opening (and non-opening) of the dispenser are in the recipe book at the very bottom (like the minute-by-minute description of all programs of the 450th model, you can download this book here: 🔗

Or you can post this recipe book where you can download it, then this link does not work.

Laid out, catch:

🔗

if it fails to download, I can send you directly to your email

Mr. Flasher, I was very surprised by your comparison of stoves, Ken won because of the design glasses. Let's all the same according to the principle: flies - separately, cutlets - separately. It is reasonable to compare the quality of the bread baked according to the same recipe. I did it for French, posted photos on the forum and described the results for Panas 255 and Ken 450. The people thanked for the specifics. Firstly, design has nothing to do with the quality of bread, and, secondly, it is a subjective thing, although Ken looks more presentable. But Panas still bakes better, this is objective, I have both of these stoves, there is an opportunity to compare. For objectivity, I will add that the greatest difference occurs precisely in the mode of French bread due to the different times of the program.