Kneading creaks and bucket problems

I also heard a lot about the loud mixing in the SD-255, it turned out to be actually barely audible. The first time I even missed the moment when there was a batch. She put the children to bed, closed the doors so that the stove would not frighten them by rattling. There are no doors in the kitchen, all smells and sounds spread throughout the apartment. She went to the next room for a computer. Silence. An hour or two. And then she glanced into the stove - the bun was already ready!

During kneading, only vibration of the body and a quiet, measured hum. It makes louder noise if kneading nuts or very tight dough (rye).

HP makes less noise if the bucket is turned 180 * during installation
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Uncover the secret of what and how did you cut the gasket? Aluminum strategic material

Thanks for the reputation) When turning 180 - the same. Material - sheet aluminum, the outer diameter was cut with scissors for metal, the inner diameter - with an electric jigsaw, then with a file ... and into the oven until ready)

Shl. To the suffering single women I will cut it out just like that)

There is a feeling that most of the users got a marriage ... I have 255 Panasonic, which bakes bread every night (so that it’s fresh in the morning). And there is NO roar and noise !!! Measured hum and the smell of bread when baking - EVERYTHING !!!!
But the finalization with a file is certainly superfluous! Apparently, many consider themselves smarter than designers. And in vain. You read the arguments of such "specialists", and it becomes funny, honestly.
Don't be smart. Correctly wrote: if there is no backlash of the scapula, then it remains in the bread. And this is inconvenient, believe me! Anyone who understands even a little in electrical engineering knows that backlash reduces the starting load on the engine. And, given that it works in a pulsed mode for a long time, this is very important.
Now about the installation of the bucket ... At first I also had the idea that the gasket would not be in the way. But I thought it over and realized that with such a "makar" it would be possible to add vices with enviable frequency. Sooner or later, the gaskets will become small again and another, thicker one will be needed.
My advice to an engineer is to clean the spatula before baking (so that there is a backlash) and when inserting the bucket, turn the bucket clockwise until it stops (it then definitely does not rattle).
Good luck everyone!!! And Happy Holidays !!!

Kapet, thank you for adding IMHO in your message. Regarding Kulibin, you are right. I try to do everything in this life as much as possible myself, and I am even a little proud of it, but you have the logic of a typical consumer with an imposed "civilized" type of thinking, who believes that they have already thought for him in this life and everyone should do their job .. ...

Shl Happy holiday! Hello to Yushchenko)

It is very commendable that you love to refine everything with your own hands. I already went through this. But it is much better when you work with your head, and others work with your hands ... Then there is more money and your hands are cleaner ...

... Sooner or later, the gaskets will become small again and another, thicker one will be needed ...

Please explain, dear engineer.

Please explain, dear engineer.

The design of the lock does not provide for clamping a bucket in it, but only a stop. You are suggesting a clamp, which will inevitably lead to wear of the rubbing surfaces. This will reappear with the stop effect ... and so on.

It is very commendable that you love to refine everything with your own hands. I already went through this. But it is much better when you work with your head, and others work with your hands ... Then there is more money and your hands are cleaner ...

I did not write that I was finalizing EVERYTHING. No need to portray me here as a crazy fanatic. But your ideology about hands, heads and money is disgusting to me personally.

The design of the lock does not provide for clamping a bucket in it, but only a stop. You are suggesting a clamp, which will inevitably lead to wear of the rubbing surfaces. This will reappear with the stop effect ... and so on.

Why then did the manufacturer make the "pins" of the bucket and the grooves conical, and not rectangular?) And where, in the absence of backlash, do you see friction in the steam?

I did not write that I was finalizing EVERYTHING. No need to portray me here as a crazy fanatic. But your ideology about hands, heads and money is disgusting to me personally.

To each his own!
You just don’t have to promote your passion to refine everything with a file. Can I first learn how to use the device correctly ???
The designers thought about everything before you ...

Why then did the manufacturer make the "pins" of the bucket and the grooves conical, and not rectangular?) And where, in the absence of backlash, do you see friction in the steam?

There is nothing conical ... There is a trapezoid !!!!

There is nothing conical ... There is a trapezoid !!!!

Of course, the trapezoid is to blame, but this does not change the essence of the issue.

[Baston1981]

In vain they attacked a person, I do not see anything wrong with his actions.
Baston1981, respect, dude.

Apparently, many consider themselves smarter than designers.

Unfortunately, "constructors" are also not true, there are a lot of jambs everywhere, not only in HP.

which will inevitably lead to wear of the rubbing surfaces.

Hehe, are there test results?

[Baston1981]

In vain they attacked a person, I do not see anything wrong with his actions.
Baston1981, respect, dude. :) Unfortunately, "constructors" are also not true, there are a lot of jambs everywhere, not only in HP. Hehe, are there test results?

They attacked a person probably because instead of indicating at the end of the message that you can do this revision solely at your own peril and risk, and in the event of a HP failure due to this revision, your oven may not be accepted for warranty repair, - the author instead in the first message modestly wishes "Good luck!"

Gullible users should be aware of the possible consequences of improving the design of the Japanese HP according to the method of the Russian rationalizer ...

Shl. When my brother comes from the states to visit me, he carries with him a couple of blocks of "Parliament", because our cigarettes "Parliament" are something different from theirs. And all because our "Parliament" is made at our plant using American technology on imported equipment from imported raw materials, but with the implemented rationalization proposals of local craftsmen ...

"theorists, damn it) ... And I sleep with her in an embrace, and the bucket is unscrewed with the same effort, and the thermal expansion is the same there ... "

You need to sleep with your wife, then you won't need a pad, except with wings ...

The man was attacked probably because

Yes Yes. They pounced because "everything is perfect there, engineers are not stupid, nothing rattles there and, in general, don't you dare touch." Something like this.
About "good luck". In my opinion, writing about "fear, risk, warranty repair and failure" is paranoia. It is obvious to any sane person that only he himself is responsible for the straightness of his limbs.
Gullible, yeah. That's what I see, twenty people have put rings and are now crying, they say, they deceived them, "gullible", and HP "broke down." Byada.

solely at your own peril and risk

Are you from the regulatory authorities? So does fellow chirkof from the test lab. Oh well.

Mdyayaya .... I sit, read .... People! What's wrong! Well, the man made some kind of ring, well, the stove rattled at him. Why are you doing it like that? Here are the owners of Mulek, the top is not reddened and someone has twisted a screw. So now everyone is happy, and no one impaled anyone.
Nobody is wringing your hands, forcing you, there is an rationalization proposal, maybe someone will come in handy.

suslja5004
You were straight ahead of me, while I was forming my thoughts (in bent!).
Horror, nightmare! The first time since January 7, I have seen such a showdown.

My ancient ABKE-shka, after 5 years of daily work, could not stand kneading rye dough with all sorts of additives.It rattled so much that I refused to just deal with her and for a month I mixed only sourdough bread in a cup, they are perfectly kneaded with our flour and by hand. The backlash formed such that the hole became not round, but oval. The husband took out the engine, swore that some part turned out to be plastic, that is, it was actually disposable, bought a bearing, they did something else at the service station on the machine, I don’t remember exactly what, it all cost a penny. Collected, in short, my darling works, better than before. Well, okay.

And about "clean hands" and "big money" can be argued to blue in the face. I think so, we are not here for this.

And don't say ... here pads with wings have already been used, and who should sleep with whom ... But we have such a kind and sympathetic forum, this topic, as Shvonder said, is "some kind of shame."

[you]

Did it not occur to you that such "improvements" are not needed? Therefore, they did not deliver. And that the people do not want to risk it?

To all appearances, little has come to your mind at all.
Necessary, not necessary ... Are you the main navel of the planet Earth? If a particular person has any problems, do you think he is an idiot? Because "no one thunders" you see. And he puts the rings on because his illness has worsened?
People don't want to risk it? Probably they wanted to write that you don't want to risk it? Well, don't risk it! Nobody pulls you for a causal place and does not force you to make "improvements".

If you are so sure that this is good - do not write unnecessary words, make an upgrade to your stove, and then unsubscribe in the topic that yes, I did, the stove has been working for 2-3-5 years

Well, you are ruining here that this ring is a universal evil, so prove that this is bad. Otherwise, any fool will be able to - come in, write "this shit", but will not be able to justify.

For example, my drive belt whistles in HP. Since novya this has not happened. I do not like this. So, what is next? Am I a fool too? I'm probably "imagining".
By the way, my bucket obviously sits freely in the grooves, and knocks when kneading. I don’t like it either, but it’s not very annoying yet.
Yes, and the back of the top cover, I would have made of a darker material, because it got smoked decently and looks ugly on white.
And I would change the switching algorithm, since many are confused by the "blank screen".
There are enough shoals. Someone they irritate more, someone does not hover at all.

PS: It seems that the subject wrote that everything works fine for him? Oh yes, you are afraid that this "update" will manifest itself in "5 years". Oh well.

On the technique, those who wanted to, spoke.
The ring is not purchased. Whoever is able to make it by hand, or at least sketch it out for manufacturing on the side, is able to assess the degree of risk of using this ring and the need for its use.
There are no new arguments. The dispute goes to the individual that the rules of the forum are not allowed.
Therefore, I close the topic.

I have already resigned myself to the fact that the belt creaks, but that there was a creak from the bucket is some kind of horror. HP only a week, I'll try to change it to a new one and check the bucket fixation when buying. I want the same ...
She worked quietly only for the very first time, and after 5 days she began to creak so much that you can hear it in the next room.

The belt creak, in my opinion, may be due to the non-parallelism of the axes of the motor shaft and the shaft transmitting rotation to the blade. And this could have been fixed at the factory in this way, or it could have shifted a little under heavy load. Belt tension can also create a squeak, especially if the tension is loose and the belt teeth do not fit exactly into the grooves on the pulley. They can check it themselves, if the warranty has come out and are friends with the technique.

Worry about the bucket, is it not dangerous for the stove, in principle, I decided to wait a little longer, and then if the time is completely tortured, there is to hand it over

The funny thing is that it has stopped squeaking and blurring, so I will continue to bake

[zyu]

zyu If you are very confused by the noise here is a tip in a closed topic https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=10140.0

Yes, I read this topic, just to be honest I don’t want to modify the most expensive stove in our city.
This is the same as ordering a jacket online, and then altering it again.
No, if you really get bored, I'll change it to a new one!

[zyu]

zyu If you are very confused by the noise here is a tip in a closed topic https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=10140.0

It is a pity that the topic was closed, otherwise I would have written a report that everything is working fine. There are no extraneous noise, nothing has been erased or loose)

Shl. The sister was presented with SD-254. The play of the bucket is minimal. Which again speaks of the inconsistent quality of workmanship in China.

Baston1981 everything seems to be normal with this stove.
But the most interesting thing: yesterday they decided to buy exactly the same for mom on the DR, bought it in Eldorado since the S-255 model was absent everywhere. I gave it as a present, and when installing the bucket, it turned out that it did not just hang out, but even if it was turned on for dough, it hangs out even without the dough, and what will happen if you load everything there. The nightmare is shorter !!!!!!
I went and immediately gave it back to them, and once again made sure that Eldorado couldn't buy anything
I went right away and bought a stove, but model 245 checked the bucket attachment without leaving the cash register and immediately checked it during kneading, everything seemed to be buzzing. I'll go to my mother to teach her how to use it, so let's see how we will behave further

Throw a report into this thread, I will transfer it.

Aglo, duplicate chtol then.

So, let's summarize. Let's start with the fact that NOT ALL stoves are thundering during kneading, but only those that need a gasket). From here, so much negativity fell on me that, they say, it should be so. To this day, my stove works perfectly and silently (I sleep with it in the same room), nothing has become loose or worn out, the bucket is inserted and removed perfectly.

Shl. The thickness of the gasket is chosen empirically. First, cut out a sample (stack of samples) from cardboard.

If a belt creaks or a bucket rattles, graphite lubrication of the belt and seats can help, someone has already written about this.
Make a lubricant, if not ready, rub the lead from a soft graphite pencil and a little high-temperature grease.
If there is no refractory, ordinary grease will go, but the first is better.
You can also use silicone, refractory grease, sold in auto dealers ...
And there is no need to argue, technology is made and quality controlled by people, and they tend to make mistakes ...

[Baston1981]

At the request of the author of the topic Baston1981 I add:

So, let's summarize. Let's start with the fact that NOT ALL stoves are thundering when kneading, but only those that need a gasket. From here, so much negativity fell on me.
To this day, my stove works perfectly and silently (I sleep with it in the same room), nothing has become loose or worn out, the bucket is inserted and removed perfectly.

Shl. The thickness of the gasket is chosen empirically. First, cut out a sample (stack of samples) from cardboard.

Nevertheless, in Eldorado and M-Video I did not buy anything more expensive than 100 rubles.

And that's right, and other stores sometimes surprise you, but Eldorado sells everything equally "good quality"
Tonight we'll test my mother's stove, I'll tell you later ...

[Baston1981]

Baston1981
I duplicated it, although the report, in my opinion, is something more ambitious and with illustrations. Well, at least a photo of the contacting surfaces.
But this is so, by the way. Not a reason for discussion.

That's all, there was a short joy ... The dough stopped kneading, the spatula is spinning, but barely with an anguish, the stove hums just audibly, there is no kolobok "flying" along the walls, yesterday I even helped knead the dough with my hands. I shot a video on my mobile phone, tell me, is that all - now it's repairing ?! ... I'm crying ...
I will say I tried it right away in the main and rye modes - it does not knead. The recipes are the same, I recently baked bread and it always worked! Therefore, it is not yeast or flour. In general, I look forward to your comments ...
video here: 🔗

The video shows that there is little liquid. Torn gingerbread man (you should add some water during the kneading process), the dough is too thick.
The paddle rotates briskly when it manages to break free from the captivity of thick dough or when it just twists the bun without kneading the dough.
Cry strictly over the bucket - the dough will receive the missing liquid.

Cry strictly over the bucket - the dough will receive the missing liquid.

I thought that I would get such an answer, I could not ask stupid questions. Ok, I will add some water, I will report!

I bought 255, it rattled terribly, it looked like it was kicked, the box on one side was with a broken corner and wrinkled. She did not bake in it, washed it and said that it did not fit in size and handed it over right there. Like this.

I made the second bread wheat-rye, now the baking squeaks unpleasantly when kneading ... It's a shame I don't know if it's worth it to continue experimenting with rye bread ...

Maybe you need to lubricate chenit?

[OlgaZ]

I will say right away I tried it in the main and rye modes - it does not knead. The recipes are the same, I recently baked bread and it always worked! Therefore, it is not yeast or flour. In general, I look forward to your comments ...
video here: 🔗
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OlgaZ You have a really thick dough, I had this, but I initially knew that HP can drive so tightly and stood looking, when it began to stall like this, then I added oil ... according to the recipe, but if the dough is tight, especially in loaves , then I trust to knead the combine so as not to injure HP

[kneading creak]

Dear bakers!

Let me return to the topic, namely kneading creak.
Some time ago, after a year of trouble-free operation of Panasonic 257, I heard it ... Typical creak of metal on rubber. He was saddened, because he assumed that the bearing was worn out (loss of lubrication, or the like) on the shaft of the bucket (it is there, if you look into the bucket from above, it is closed at the bottom with an annular cover, on which 4 points from pressing are visible). The source of the sound itself was beyond doubt. To check, I even took off the bucket with the dough and manually turned the leash from the bottom - there was noticeable uneven resistance, it twisted in jerks, and a creak was heard ... This was repeated with both "light" and "heavy" mixes. Always, 5-7 times ... I began to study the possibility of buying a new bucket. By the free contact phone (see the site I learned that in service centers dealing with household appliances (see on the same site) it is possible to order such a bucket on a prepaid basis, the prices were called about 1000 rubles, the terms were from 2 weeks. to the nearest service center - not dipped beam ... Therefore, I decided to experiment.
(And now, actually, how the problem was solved!)
Putting an empty bucket in the oven and turning on the rotation (I have, for example, the "dumplings" mode), I watched the shaft rotate. There was no squeak without load, and the rotation speed without a blade was about 200 rpm. I tried to slow down the rotation with my fingers, or to give a tangential force ... but then I noticed that a certain black-brown, like tar, viscous substance was creeping onto the shaft from below in small drops. A finger soiled in it was washed off with water - it means not grease! Poured half a glass of hot water into a bucket and turned on the rotation again (without a spatula)... It was seen how from the gap between the shaft and the plastic cone clutch, black smoke, as it were, dissolves into the water and (!) Dissolves in it - I think these are the remnants of a burnt inside cavity under the lid and clutch, which had previously flowed into it and burned repeatedly with each baking! I twisted it for several minutes in this mode. Washed and dried.

The bottom line.
Three kneads after that, including rye dough - no sign of creaking!

(Yes, bye. Yes, maybe it's just a coincidence and he passed it himself. But you can try, eh?)

[Panasonic_Bread]

Panasonic_Bread The unit in the bucket is collapsible, on the forum there are ways to repair non-collapsible units from Mulinex and Kenwood, there are also recommendations for lubrication if necessary.

[Panasonic_Bread]

Panasonic_Bread The knot in the bucket is collapsible

The link is already dead, but the collapsible one is collapsible ... Not for a dispute, but I looked at that spring washer-retainer that stands below, and, having an idea of ​​the quality of its metal, I decided that without a second bucket at hand it was better than her do not try to unclench ... Hence my experiment.

[Panasonic_Bread]

Panasonic_Bread Thank you!

[Panasonic_Bread]

Panasonic_Bread I talked about it https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=36855.0
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=90652.0
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=32099.0
IMHO not to do without disassembly, your option is rather a temporary solution. Problems with the mixer unit are also in Panasonic, but extremely rarely. The assembly is different and the materials are of much higher quality.

I used Litol-24 (automobile) for lubrication, it really holds up to 120 degrees. There was nothing more at hand, he lived in the village. Everything was sorted out and assembled normally. Already 2 months of normal flight.

For some reason, when kneading, I have a little bucket under the scapula (the impression is that there is sugar in the dough). Does anyone have the same effect, or is it my defective one?

I have been using my first HP Panasonic 2502 for about 2 weeks. Baked, maybe about 10 loaves. The bottom of the bucket is slightly scratched, not much, but the surface stripes are noticeable. I baked bread with raisins several times, I suspect it's from him ...
Although, I'm sure it's okay. The coating is hard and should not be damaged.

hello, I'm talking about a hottter 1037 es f, the frying pan is not in demand, I have a choice between it and the simplest omus hotter 877, like in 1037 es f the frying pan attracts, but from your feedback, I understand that it is noisy and cooks for a long time, better it turns out to give preference to 877, there is more volume ??? help me decide ...

I do not know if I am writing about the creak. But in my 254 model, which worked for almost a year with everyday baking of bread, a sound appeared - I can't call it a creak, rather a squeak of rubber during kneading. After washing the bucket, I tried to lubricate the shaft and the gasket around it with vegetable oil and turned the shaft several times. The squeak became quieter. And I also noticed that the shaft began to turn easily, before I could not turn it at all.
Am I writing about the problem that is being discussed on this forum?
And here they wrote to lubricate with graphite, etc. - and where to lubricate, where are the buckets?

About lubrication here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=36855.0
Lubricate this killing bucket with vegetable oil. Panasonic does not need to smear it at all, if you really want to, only with disassembling the shaft