Kneading creaks and bucket problems

[Panasonic_Bread]

Well, you need to disassemble this in order to lubricate. I first tried as recommended Panasonic_Bread... A couple of times already drove away with some water. The water was dirty - so black even flowed out of the bucket. The rubber bands around the shaft look cleaner. Although I think that not all the nasty things have come out of there yet - after all, a year of uninterrupted work of HP. I haven’t checked it in work yet, but there is no sap in work. How can I try to accomplish my goal.

[Panasonic_Bread]

Well, you need to disassemble this in order to lubricate. I first tried as recommended Panasonic_Bread... A couple of times already drove away with some water. The water was dirty - so black even flowed out of the bucket. The rubber bands around the shaft look cleaner. Although I think that not all the nasty things have come out of there yet - after all, a year of uninterrupted work of HP. I haven’t checked it in work yet, but there is no sap in work. How can I try to accomplish my goal.

I confirm! The creaking stopped.

Good day! I have a Panasonic 2501, when kneading, the bucket sways a little together with the bun, while making a creak. In operation only two months, bakes excellent. I smeared all the protruding parts with graphite, but the bucket continues to creak and move slightly during kneading. If you press it with your hands, the creak disappears. So - not all Panasonic is perfect. I can’t change it, I’ll have to "chemize" something with the gasket, or maybe ... give up. The Chinese brothers seem to have worked after the holiday.

I bought 2502 about a week ago, cooked bread three times for the third time there was a creak during kneading. Lead back to the store?

And I have creaks, or rather creaks to the beat of the batch, for each revolution of the mixer. I still make only the first bread and it immediately creaks. It didn't creak without a test. I am also at a loss, change or try again ...

I no longer creaked.

You're in luck, and I'm kneading the second bread and it squeaks even more.

try pouring it into a bucket of water overnight.

The bucket seems to squeak like a wheel in a cart, for every revolution - creak, creak, creak ...
I will shoot on video, show

take it straight to the store, let it change. and then you will run around the service centers. there the oil seal creaks, most likely, it either shriveled and creaks, or something got there ... well, I think so

without a conclusion from the service, they do not change

And my bucket staggers a little when kneading. Is this a marriage? Or is this normal for these stoves?

For Alaska BM 2600 I don’t know, for Panasonic, ok

I don't even know what to advise. call the service center to find out if they give such paper. And call or write a letter of complaint to Panasonic itself, they can change without a store

without a conclusion from the service, they do not change

why? two weeks have passed?

I don't even know what to advise. call the service center to find out if they give such paper. And call or write a letter of complaint to Panasonic itself, they can change without a store

I called the service, they said they would take it away, see it, listen, but hinted that they say that squeaking is normal, most likely, since the bucket is movable during mixing.

[Since I want to help everyone who is not very lucky with the purchase, and the stove does not please, but upsets with some malfunctions, I will write in more detail about what I found out about the laws and rights, and my own case, I hope this will help someone:]

why? two weeks have passed?

no, it did not work, but the scheme is slightly different. I will write how they explained to me in the online store.
Since I want to help everyone who is not very lucky with the purchase, and the stove does not please, but upsets with some malfunctions, I will write in more detail about what I found out about the laws and rights, and my own case, I hope this will help someone:

At first, simply hand over to the online store without the conclusion of the ASC, you can only new, unused and within 7 days... That is: "The 7-day period is intended for the return of devices in good condition, which were not in use and did not fit simply by their appearance and characteristics."

Secondly you can return within 14 (more precisely 15) days technically complex goods only if there is a factory defect confirmed by the service center, that is, within 15 days if there is a defect, you have the right to refuse repair and exchange the goods or return money for it. But this is impossible without service. You can take it to the store, not to the service, but they will still send it to the service first and after the conclusion either return the money or return the product back if the service does not confirm the presence of a defect.

Well, as usual, thirdly))) - the bread maker is not included in the same list of technically complex goods (List according to PPRF No. 924 🔗 ) to which this same fifteen-day period applies. But this only plays into our hands, because: "for goods not included in this list, return and replacement are possible in case of any factory defect during the entire warranty period."
I.e, throughout the entire warranty period (1 year) I have the right, upon identification manufacturing shortage and inadequate quality of the bread machine (confirmed by the service center), refuse to repair and demand the replacement of the bread machine or a refund, regardless of the possibility (or impossibility) of eliminating this defect by the service center.

I am writing in detail, perhaps it will be useful to someone else.
She found out all this herself (with the help of a kind person and an employee from the forum of the online store where I bought the stove, for which I thank them) only when faced with a problem.

By the way, I want to add one more thing, bread makers (at least Panasonic 2501 for sure) are included in another list - a list of goods that you do not need to take to the service yourself, the service itself must come and pick up the stove... This is due, I think, to the weight and dimensions. Perhaps this does not apply to small stoves.
Check this point in the service, if relevant! For me it is relevant, I have a big problem to take her to the other end of the city. And they did not want to come for the stove, they had to politely defend their right.

Who is hindered by the reference to the law?

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tomorrow I will try to hand over the stove, I have made a claim, I have studied the laws, let's see what happens
in addition to what was written, if you want to exchange a defective product for a similar model, according to the law, the store has the right to check the stove within 20 days, if you want to return the money, they have 10 days, I wrote in the claim - I want to return the money

That is, during the entire warranty period (1 year), I have the right, upon revealing a production defect and inadequate quality of the bread machine (confirmed by the service center), refuse to repair and demand replacement of the bread machine or a refund, regardless of the possibility (or impossibility) of eliminating this disadvantage by the service center.

in the store I was told 2 weeks, and then only to the service for repairs
they have full-time lawyers, it will be hard to argue with them

I called the service, they said they would take it away, see it, listen, but hinted that they say that squeaking is normal, most likely, since the bucket is movable during mixing.

article 18 The consumer, in case of finding defects in the product, if they were not agreed by the seller, at his choice has the right
did the seller warn you that there will be squeaks?
stove with a delay, that is, it is understood that you can bake at night, but how to bake at night if it creaks

tomorrow I will try to hand over the stove, I have made a claim, I have studied the laws, let's see what happens
in addition to what was written, if you want to exchange a defective product for a similar model, according to the law, the store has the right to check the stove within 20 days, if you want to return the money, they have 10 days, I wrote in the claim - I want to return the money

As I understand it, if you used the stove, then it is still only through the service. Either you rent it yourself, or the store will ship it there. Through the store longer. Within 10 days, they may return the money, but after they have a service certificate stating that there is a defect in the stove. If there is no act, then they will not take away the second-hand stove and seem to change it.

in the store they told me 2 weeks, and then only to the service for repairs
they have full-time lawyers, it will be hard to argue with them

They misled you. 15 days only for technically complex goods, I gave a link to the list. You don't need to argue with anyone, you just need to prepare extracts from the law, no one will argue with them, especially lawyers.

article 18 The consumer, in case of finding defects in the product, if they were not agreed by the seller, at his choice has the right

Disadvantages are considered disadvantages only when the service confirms that it is a disadvantage.

As for my stove, as I wrote, the service staff came and took it away, and yesterday I called the service and the engineer confirmed to me that there really is a creak and there will be an act about it. He said that the stove would be brought home to me together with the act. Then, as I understand it, I will contact the store, the store's courier will come and take the stove in exchange for a new one or money.
Well at least I hope it will
I filmed a creak on the video (the service confirmed the presence of an extraneous sound) on the batch, so that it would be clearer, well, so that someone could compare the stove also creaks.

[Tata-SPb]

Tata-SPb, Something similar with me, only quieter. It squeaks not only the bucket in its "nest" (because of this, black aluminum dust accumulates there, and if you clean it, you can see shells of mechanical origin in the metal.) It is also the "pins" themselves that were slightly worn down (there, from above, the grooves seem to be pierced by wear ). But it seems to me that the main creak is emitted by the drive plate from the bottom of the bucket (as it was called here "half-coupling"), it just moves on the shaft and creaks ...
While the stove was completely new, it didn’t creak, then it began to react to pressing the bucket with my hands or moving the bucket 180 degrees. Now I do not care ... the higher the load, the louder the creak.
I see the solution in installing the gasket.
And I'm not particularly worried ... creaks and creaks ... when louder, when quieter ... when it doesn't creak at all ...
And the video clearly shows how the bucket walks during the kneading ... unstable load during work. Well, don't screw it ...
Again, the motor is lighter, because it is not rigidly loaded ..., but the wear is greater ... in general ... this is not a precision technique!
There is also a solution in putting some kind of tubular gaskets on the pins ... so that the bucket is pressed tightly with the seats.
The point is that the pins are aluminum, and the clamp body is steel! so he cuts the grooves in them. That is why the bucket reacts to a 180 degree turn. (pressure changes)
Sorki for "too many bukaf"! ;-)

Hello! So this problem also visited me. A couple of days ago I bought a Panas 2510, at the first batch it squeaked. When holding the bucket, the squeak does not go away. Today I passed it for diagnostics. They watched my video, suggested that there was a defect. By the way, they wrote here that the bakery does not belong to those. complicated, so it belongs. I phoned three rights defenders, everyone said it was difficult. And yet, on the Internet, I found a hint that when indicating a problem, it is MANDATORY to write that creak when mixing with the product , and not just a creak during kneading. I had no squeaks with an empty bucket. But I decided that if they do not recognize the problem, I will go to an independent examination. It’s a pity that it happened. I already have 255 model. I wanted to take her to the dacha, and use the new one at home. I don't see any alternatives to Panasonic. Everywhere, some problems, windows on the covers ...

Do not worry! ;) Everything is fine with the stove! If you sometimes wipe the seats (to cleanliness) from black powder with a corner of a towel, then it itself will stop creaking. I stopped for the third month.
There just aluminum powder accumulates and creaks. Then she will rub her place and stop.

The creak of my stove was recognized as a marriage. They said that she, somehow louder than the others, creaked, of those that they brought.

And my bucket moves decently during kneading ... But now it doesn't creak at all!

[maks592]

maks592Please tell me, is the bucket well fixed with you? The fact is that after 2 months of use, our bucket somehow became weakly fixed.

[ksuha]

ksuha, This is completely normal.

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, My husband said that I did not insert the bucket correctly and now everything is loose! I just started filling my hand, the bread began to turn out wonderful and here you are.

[ksuha]

ksuha, You have absolutely nothing to do with it, the connection is detachable, movable, slight wear occurs at the junction, this is normal. If in doubt, take to the service.

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, Yes, I don’t want to, I can imagine what kind of mutation it is with these services. I'll also sing it, and then I'll see. I'm just afraid it won't fall out of the nest when kneading.

I'm just afraid it won't fall out of the nest when kneading.

Not! there, the design is such that the protrusions immediately press and lock against rotation. It is necessary to break them off so that the bucket falls off.
Pressing down due to wear can be worse. but to crank ... this is very unlikely!

Thank you, we will continue to bake. There is still a guarantee, time will tell. The stove is very good, it will be a pity if it breaks.

If I hear a creak, then I grease the projections for which the bucket is attached with silicone grease (so that there is no more fatty film). For a year and a half of intensive operation of the bread machine, I lubricated it four times. And that's all.

now the end of my unexpected joy has come. 10 days after the purchase, my Panasius (2511) creaked like an unlubricated cart during kneading. I just included it in a blank batch. The same song is a nasty squeak even with an empty bucket. What is it? Marriage? In general, it has not yet passed 14 days from the purchase, to carry to change or what?



now the bread will be baked, I will try to knead the bread without a bucket at all ... It will become clear why it squeaks: from contact with a bucket or by itself

Good day. The other day I bought a Panas 2512 assembly of course China, and so with fixing the bucket is also a problem ... the poor dangles when kneading back and forth. And he turned it over and pressed it 180 degrees, and with effort tried to fix it in the grooves ... the dead number. the bucket is not fixed and dangles even on the main fast ... I do not know to change or? It bakes, raises, kneads perfectly, but this backlash and rumble spoils everything. Yes, and aluminum dust appears from the friction of the bucket back and forth. I think it's a marriage. Since with such a backlash, it will break the landing nest. Who will tell you what? Thinking about laying)))) or zdach ???

[Zatsar71]

Zatsar71, duplicate your question in the topic for Panasonic. They will sooner answer.
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...445.0