What to choose in the initial price range?

We have 4 employees at work. n. All models are different.
One baked several unsuccessful breads and abandoned the business. Two of them switched to mixing in. etc., and baked goods in the oven. The fourth bakes very rarely. It all depends on the desire to bake fresh bread and various goodies.
At our home, if there is nothing baked for tea, everyone will remain hungry.
If your mom loves baking, then baking is a must.

[the most inexpensive bread maker]

For a long time in search and choice. I somehow decided, it seems, but I wanted to say that the most inexpensive bread maker, which I just came across is Rotex, I don't remember the numbers. By the way, it looks decent, and the reviews from the sellers are quite good.
Today I wandered around the market in order to ask the price of bread makers. The price for Rotex was the lowest on the market - UAH 400. (up to 50 ueshek) on the Internet - 450 UAH. (approx. 55 ueshek), but there was no availability.
Who will find a cheaper bread maker? And which company? Let's search!

[the most inexpensive bread maker]

For a long time in search and choice. I somehow decided, it seems, but I wanted to say that the most inexpensive bread maker, which I just came across is Rotex, I don't remember the numbers. By the way, it looks decent, and the reviews from the sellers are quite good.
Today I wandered around the market in order to ask the price of bread makers. The price for Rotex was the lowest on the market - UAH 400. (up to 50 ueshek) on the Internet - 450 UAH. (approx. 55 ueshek), but there was no availability.
Who will find a cheaper bread maker? And which company? Let's search!

It's even cheaper for me, Delfa. Today, there are exactly 40 Americans. money. I already wrote how happy I am, I don't want to repeat myself. But there was a topic, seemingly, help me smoke an inexpensive stove in the village, perhaps even there it was all discussed. Now I can't find it right away. There, the girl wrote, it seems from Kiev, that she works on the basis of these goods and also bought one for herself and did not regret it even once. I coveted the price (I can't get through when it's cheap, well, what are you going to do?) Then how many times I didn't go to that Facstrot, I also wanted to buy my mom - they weren't there. The seller said that they would scatter. Since the end of September I have been baking my own bread, I have never bought it yet. And, frankly speaking, it doesn't.

Who will find a cheaper bread maker? And which company? Let's search!

In our network, the Carousel saw on sale HP for 700 rubles without a mixer, without an engine, but it does not make noise, but I just did not remember the name

Without agitator and without motor.
The question is, how does it work then?

But it does not break and does not make noise ...

[tanya123]

tanya123 It's very simple! You knead with pens, then put it in a bucket, wait for proofing, then HP bakes bread
I wanted to find a photo of this miracle, I did not find it on the internet because I don’t remember the name.
The bucket in it is small, somewhere around 350-400 grams, but with a non-stick coating!

it is good to buy a kneader for such a stove for several thousand

I then do not quite understand why she is so needed ???

I also saw it was worth a penny. So the same is not x \ b in the broad sense, a segment of an electric oven and only for one small (half a kilo) loaf. Fails. The gypsy is right as always

But it is very cheap, but this is not an electric oven! namely a bread maker!

And I saw this in the Metro, it says "bread maker" costs 199 UAH, and I rushed to burn, feel, for such a price I have not yet seen! And when I opened it ... there was a stupor .... there was no stirrer! I’m thinking, someone will stab ... buy a bread maker ...

But it is very cheap, but this is not an electric oven! namely a bread maker!

Therefore, it is cheap that one teng is 100 rubles, the other 600 is a Teflon bucket.

it is good to buy a kneader for such a stove for several thousand

So, this is where it all begins
First, give me a cheap x \ n, and how you got used to it a little and saw its capabilities and what you would need to buy right away - but you can't ...

And we begin to acquire dough mixers and other things - and then it costs more for money ...

So the conclusion is simple, you must immediately take the most ...

But it does not break and does not make noise ...

; -D You have an excellent sense of humor.
I wanted to buy myself Moulinex. But the children convinced me
which is better than Panasonic there is no stove and asked to wait
several months with the purchase. Presented to momma DR.
I can't get enough of it. (y) I can't find any minuses yet.
The controls are extremely simple, like in everything the Japanese have.
It is a pity that there is no program "jam"
but there is "Italian bread" and "sandwich".

Ay, that does not need this "jam", the bucket will be more whole.

Ay, that does not need this "jam", the bucket will be more whole.

I have already come to terms with the lack of "jam", and "Italian bread" and "sandwich" makes me very happy.
I make dough on dumplings for "pizza". Everything works great.
From the first bread, no problem.
They completely refused the purchased bread.
And what kind of muffins and grandmas and cakes Panasonic bakes!
I'm not overjoyed at the gift. Although I bake once or twice a week.

Yeah - a topic about choosing a cheap stove - and again about Panasonic.
I'll tell you a secret (I got it myself) - the oven in baking bread is the very last thing in the process. The secret is not in the stove, but in the head (first of all), and a little in the hands. And in the stove it is just more convenient, and they are all almost the same.
Yesterday I baked sourdough bread at the same time in the oven and in the oven. The oven is more laborious. but it seems tastier. Maybe it just seems?
All stoves (like all other household appliances) are made in China from the same components (which may differ, but not significantly).
And when buying Panasonic (and any other cool brand), you pay half of the money for the NAME, and the other half for the stove itself.
And you don't have to try too hard when choosing - all the same, 80% of real factors cannot be taken into account.

[Sergey Rzhanoy]

Sergey Rzhanoy Let me disagree with you! Panasonic has its own design, both internal and external, not similar to any other HP even close! The company has this principle (to produce as many products as possible with its own design, developments, while patenting its innovations)
Buying Panasonic you pay first of all for the quality of workmanship, thoughtfulness of design, reliability and only then for the brand. Believe me, I have been repairing equipment for more than a dozen years, including Panasonic.
But these HPs are really twins https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=26545.0

For sazalexter:
Actually, it's not on this topic, but I think the choice between expensive and cheap is IMPORTANT, so I will continue.
Let's do a thought experiment:
Let's take my Orion 206 (today in Kiev from $ 66 to $ 85) and your Panasonic 255 (today in Kiev from $ 221 to $ 302). At the same time we prepare kneading and bake bread (programs are the same or similar - they are similar in all ovens - there are no secrets here).
The bread will turn out the same (80%), or slightly better in Panasonic (10%) or slightly better in Orion (10%).
So why overpay 3 - 5 times? For the design? What?
They say that Panasonic will work longer. May be. Well, in 3 years I will buy a new Orion, and you will work at the old Panasonic. Well, 5 Orions will certainly work in turns longer than one Panasonic.
And what you say about reliability - that was before. Now the quality of all manufacturers is SPECIALLY "deteriorating", and everything is assembled in China and maybe at the same plant.
The principle "I'm not so rich to buy cheap things" no longer works - the world has changed. And even more so with regard to bread makers.
I apologize in advance to all Panasonic owners, but buying a bread machine for 300, if you can buy it for 80 is "lochism" or "pontism". This is my private opinion, not for offense.

I wrote this about my Delfa 938. Yes, I bought it in my warehouse, having reviewed and felt EVERYTHING that you saw and what you own.For my warehouse is the regional Foxtrot warehouse. Everything passes through us.
Well, believe me, our service technicians are of the same opinion, they are really assembled in China from the same parts. And you pay only for the brand. 40 $ have the same programs as 300 jam, and programming and a sandwich (only I have a sandwich)))), and dough and fast, etc. Total-12. By the way, rye too !!! And the window for control and the build quality is not inferior to Mulks, Kenwoods, DeLongey and Tefal. And Orion is even better than all the above. The $ 100 difference does not bother you ??? Then take brands, you will sleep peacefully !!!

And I, for example, in my Delphi, by the way the cheapest one on our site, like the presence of the window. This helps me focus on proofing. And how I would manage without him and can not imagine now. And once again you don't need to open the lid and close it from drafts during baking and proofing. Well, I have no drafts there and never had. And what we overpay for the name and the hype is the laws of the market. You can't argue with that. Take our multi - who knew about them 3 years ago? And then they cost less than 100 Amer money. What now? Is Teflon so expensive?

Hurray SoNya 68, I found you! Let's be friends with stoves?

[Sergey Rzhanoy]

Sergey Rzhanoy See what problems some HP have https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=26967.0
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=8736.0
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=968.0

These are just some of the problems, and how many such as the loss of a blade and the inability to buy it, failure and the impossibility of repair under warranty!
Once again, I emphasize that a company should be chosen if there is a service in the immediate environment!

Once again, I emphasize that a company should be chosen if there is a service in the immediate environment!

I have a different principle, you need to choose not a company, but a reliable thing, the price does not matter, but it is more logical to strive for less, there is no service nafig, it is better not to know the way there.

Yeah, and there are still problems when the stove falls off the table (it came across somewhere) ... And the funniest thing continues to work, and it's even funnier that it's not Panasonic. I have already written about the desire of the owners of expensive brands to go through life to the end with their stoves, saucepans, etc. Well, that's it. unreal, in 3-4 years it will already be attavism - it's like mobile phones, you can't stop progress. B2 is not interesting. At 3 mine, even if it gicks, then for $ 40 I can buy one every year for sure. And you, sazalexter, I understand well, as the owner of Panasonic, I, too, would rush to protect my wet nurse with a rather big breast. But we are in the subject need a SIMPLE bread baking, alas. Sergei Rzhanoy is right.

Yeah, and there are still problems when the stove falls off the table (it came across somewhere) ... And the funniest thing continues to work, and it's even funnier that it's not Panasonic.

it was my husband who dropped the hot bucket .. nothing works with the dent as before, the coating would be henna

Think about the question if HP in the store costs $ 40, then how much did it cost when leaving the assembly line of Mr. Wang (from the basement artel where it was collected) not otherwise all $ 10!

and why from the basement artel? China is full of huge factories .. they make equipment for any brands, precisely because of the mass scale and cheap, not exclusive, but consumer goods.

Think about the question if HP in the store costs $ 40, then how much did it cost when leaving the assembly line of Mr. Wang (from the basement artel where it was collected) not otherwise all $ 10!

And what of it? Is it not a secret that the Chinese work for a bowl of soup? Or do you seriously think that by purchasing expensive stoves, you are improving the welfare of the Chinese proletariat?

and why from the basement artel? China is full of huge factories .. they make equipment for any brands, precisely because of the mass scale and cheap, not exclusive, but consumer goods.

Gypsy We are with you in the same team. Sorry for Rina not here today.

Gypsy We are with you in the same team. Sorry for Rina not here today.

I remembered the movie * Back to the Future * where Doc from the past (50s) talks about the breakdown of a time machine from the future * now it is clear why it broke, the details are written * made in japan ** Are you a dock, the best electronics are made in japan * to which Doc rolled his eyes and groaned * Not sure *

I remembered the movie * Back to the Future * where Doc from the past (50s) talks about the breakdown of a time machine from the future * now it is clear why it broke, the details are written * made in japan ** Are you a dock, the best electronics are made in japan * to which Doc rolled his eyes and groaned * Not sure *

Yeah.

and why from the basement artel? China is full of huge factories .. they make equipment for any brands, precisely because of the mass scale and cheap, not exclusive, but consumer goods.

I also remembered about the Chinese consumer goods, not in the subject of course, but I am discouraged in advance. In the summer, we in Sevastopol detained a ship in the port, (they wrote in the newspaper) there was something with customs clearance, temporary difficulties, as they say. But what was this ship filled with! - full holds of hosiery products from Chernigov. We have such a brand, all markets are overwhelmed. Shkarpetki ukr. But from China. On the market, we have them for half a dollar, maybe a little more - it depends on the time of the year (already with a wrap). And how much are they leaving the artel? 20 cents? And nothing, worn as much as ours. Realities of time.

The real cost of manufacturing almost any stove is low, but even on this, manufacturers often try to save money. The cord for "vintage" models usually has a decent length, while for "noname" it is often not that it is up to a meter, sometimes it is not even 50 cm. The thickness of the walls of the bucket - made it thinner and even a couple of tens of grams, but you can save on "noname" (sometimes bending the bucket with your finger is not a problem).

Yes, I forgot to mention the realities of our market. I "rustled" on the websites of different countries - our prices for equipment are overstated in different cases from 15 to 200% (with respect to income, the opposite is true). And "there" it is considered the norm to buy a new one instead of a broken device (no matter how insignificant the breakdown may be).

About five stoves for the price of one expensive ...
My brother bought himself a drill in about the same way (at a quarter of the price of vintage models), hoping that such a drill would last a year and he could replace it with the same one for the same money. Alas, the breakdowns came much faster and the cost of repairs was comparable to the cost of a new drill.
Conclusion: it is better to take equipment of an average price, but assume at least some reliability, because in the case of bread machines (and most of modern equipment), if the repair is out of warranty, then its price can again be comparable to the price of a new HP.

I'm a beginner - my stove is only a week old :) - presented to NG - I like everything and there is nothing to compare with
Mom also wants HP - but with two buckets - the family is big - they live in the village
I want to give her jam for the day
who knows what and will advise?

[Disana]

Disana, with two buckets of different shapes, or such that two loaves are baked at the same time?

Yes, I forgot to mention the realities of our market. I "rustled" on the websites of different countries - our prices for equipment are overstated in different cases from 15 to 200% (with respect to income, the opposite is true). And "there" it is considered the norm to buy a new one instead of a broken device (no matter how insignificant the breakdown may be).

Hello namesake! Why not take into account that x \ n for 40 ueshek is just lucky? And maybe I'm already close to the norm, like no one, when instead of a broken one, you can buy a new one? I looked today in no stores as they cost 322, and they continue to cost.

Hello namesake! Why not take into account that x \ n for 40 ueshek is just lucky? And maybe I'm already close to the norm, like no one, when instead of a broken one, you can buy a new one? I looked today in no stores as they cost 322, and they continue to cost.

Panasonic 255 was ordered via the Internet.
We paid 87 pounds in the summer, which is almost the same as the euro.
The pound has fallen a lot.
+ Shipment 10 euros.

[DonnaRosa]

Hello namesake
40 cu e.- this is actually lucky.

DonnaRosa, (also namesake, I have had the same nickname in different chats for a long time)
again, this shows the realities of OUR "market". We now have the 255th Panas is almost twice as expensive.

[DonnaRosa]

DonnaRosa, (also namesake, I have had the same nickname in different chats for a long time)
again, this shows the realities of OUR "market". We now have the 255th Panas is almost twice as expensive.

Finally it reached me ... And then I stumbled. Our hryvnia to compare with pounds, I will report it to you at least

[DonnaRosa]

Hello namesake
40 cu That is, it is actually lucky.

DonnaRosa, (also namesake, I have had the same nickname in different chats for a long time)
again, this shows the realities of OUR "market". We now have the 255th Panas is almost twice as expensive.

If you bought from us in the city, then the cost would increase by 50 euros.
Sometimes it’s worth going on an Internet and finding an option.
I looked there today. Already raised the price a little after NG.

so our conversation does not correspond at all to the topic "we need a simple bakery".

[Rina72]

Rina72 Unpretentious is not synonymous with cheap These are two big differences. Unpretentious, as I wrote above, is a "pot" with ten

IRR! Of course we will be friends with stoves !!!
Now about the brands. If you don't own the info, you don't need one size fits all. The first is Delfa, the official brand (registered!) Of Foxtrot, its own production. There is a lot of this technique, yes, it is from China. And as for reliability, why do you use laptops and computers ALWAYS consisting of Chinese spare parts ??
They mastered their own production elementary in order to reduce the cost, and therefore have the opportunity to sell in the current conditions.
Besides, this is not a TV, there are those brains in the stove !? But as servicemen reason, spare parts are full and the prices are ridiculous.
By the way, Delfa appliances are represented by the WHOLE kitchen line, seasonal, partly large household appliances and the range is constantly expanding. Well, the funniest thing is that such productions are often just famous brands taken off the assembly line.
By the way, the bucket in Delfa and in all Orions is one of the thickest and most durable! And the price is from $ 40 to $ 70. And by the way, they are completely non-capricious about the composition of flour! What many brands do. It's just that those smart ones just want to work right. And these are adapted to our reality!

I saw this pot of tenom. I wanted to buy for the child as a toy, if there was at least some kind of hook for kneading and at least one or two programs, I would take it without question.

By the way, I saw in Dnepropetrovsk non-automatic an oven with two regulators (one is definitely responsible for the baking time), but this does not mean that it is easy to use. And the price is comparable to an inexpensive automatic HP.

[Disana]

Disana, with two buckets of different shapes, or such that two loaves are baked at the same time?

to bake two breads at the same time

to bake two breads at the same time

I don’t know why this is? if two small families need two identical breads (which is rare), then perhaps this stove would fit. Or if there are different types of oven, but on the same program - too. But if I just needed for a large family, I would choose in a large bucket, but single (maybe with two mixers). A large loaf is better in baking and slicing is never a problem.

I don’t know why this is? But if I just needed for a large family, I would choose in a large bucket, but single (maybe with two mixers). A large loaf is better in baking and slicing is never a problem.

I do not know why :) my mother asked so.
well, I'll give her your words - maybe she will agree to a big loaf

[Disana]

Disana, this is my opinion, which is based on my conditions. It is possible that your mother has her own reasons for such an order. By the way, maybe I was in a hurry - and in such stoves there is only one double bucket or a large and double bucket in the set? Then my arguments most likely fall away.