What to choose in the initial price range

Why don't you have Panas?
As for Mamsa, it can be seen with the naked eye that she is a Panas dealer and it is purely in her interests to sell him more ... It's not for nothing that she can get this Panas anywhere and send it anywhere through the girls ...

ugh how disgusting is that, to be honest

Before you fuss with stupidity, you need to think, you will respond in such a tone about forum users, they will be banned ...

As for Mamsa, it can be seen with the naked eye that she is a Panas dealer and it is purely in her interests to sell him more ... It's not for nothing that she can get this Panas anywhere and send it anywhere through the girls ...

ugh, how disgusting is this, to be honest

Where did you see the advertisement in my text? I advised the person a very real alternative.

Is there evidence for your words? Otherwise, it is your delirium. I demand proof! Where and to whom did I get and send Panas? I seriously demand an apology!

[grandfather Pikhto]

grandfather Pikhto,
1. If the mother-in-law clearly said "I want the same bread maker", then nothing can be done about it.
2. Or talk, find out with what parameters the stove is more suitable for her.

after all, approach the issue from that perspective.
1. What size bread is needed for a mother-in-law.
2. Where is she going to put the bread maker.
3. How much money are you willing to spend.

Based on this, look at online stores which models of bread makers will fall into point 3, and then see which ones will correspond to points 1 and 2 (or vice versa, first 1 and 2, and then 3). Most likely there will be only 3-4 models left, show them to your mother-in-law "in real life", let him choose which one is more "handy" for her, then buy.

Whatever happened, as the young lady described in one of the topics. I ordered a bread maker for my friends for six-month use, they went overboard and bought her a Panasonic. And she criticized their choice that the stove was too expensive, and they ..., sorry, bake nothing good, and the best for this young lady was some kind of stove from the cheapest.

Yeah, go to the IXBT forum thread, so there is generally a Panasovskaya sect, with another brand of HP, they do not consider it a stove at all. Although it is strange, if a person is satisfied with his HP, why shout about it at every corner and persuade everyone to buy the same? If you find "your" recipe, then the cheapest HP will give a super-result! Now, in general, I do all the bread by eye, the main thing is that the basic proportions are observed and every time the bread seems delicious! At work, everyone has different CP, the same recipe does not suit everyone, it must be adjusted, the bread is completely different. So the main thing is not the brand of the stove, but the result.

Yeah, go to the IXBT forum thread, so there is generally a Panasovskaya sect, with another brand of HP, they do not consider it a stove at all. Although it is strange, if a person is satisfied with his HP, why shout about it at every corner and persuade everyone to buy this one? If you find "your" recipe, then the cheapest HP will give a super-result! Now, in general, I make all the bread by eye, the main thing is that the basic proportions are observed and every time the bread seems delicious! At work, everyone has different CP, the same recipe does not suit everyone, it must be adjusted, the bread is completely different. So the main thing is not the brand of the stove, but the result.

This thread does not discuss a single oven. The man asked, he was answered. Why does this evoke such emotions? Moreover, they offered a completely adequate replacement.

As for the iXbt forum, you are wrong.

and I honestly read messages from Mams (there are as many as 72 pages !!!) - nowhere did I notice any advertising, neither explicit nor hidden, so as they say, the dispute is inappropriate here, Mams is clean

Good morning! I have experience with Moulinex 3000 and Panasonic 255. I tried recipes for the same bread in Moulinex and Panasonic. They are different in quality, oddly enough. She left Panasonic, sold Mulka because she does not bake rye bread. She's too weak for rye dough.

Thanks to everyone who answered. As I understand it, the breads taste different, but in all cases they are good and tasty.
I ordered model 254. Today must fail.

grandfather Pikhto, congratulations on solving the problem of choosing x. It doesn't seem to you that now the mother-in-law should be urgently sent to our website. New bakers are always welcome here.

[grandfather Pikhto]

grandfather Pikhto, can you tell me how your mother-in-law's relationship with the bread maker is developing?

[grandfather Pikhto]

grandfather Pikhto, can you tell us how your mother-in-law's relationship with the bread maker is developing?

For a number of reasons, she will only get to her mother-in-law in a month. And now while we are using it, we are testing it so to speak. Well, we are not newbies, it still works fine.

Post deleted, there is no need to continue the long-ended conversation, this forum is not a place for insults, if you want to offend someone, look for other sites, or communicate in essence.

Hello! I want to buy my grandmother and grandfather a bread maker in the range of 5.5 thousand rubles.
They are both over 70 years old. They live together in a small town.
I would like something that is not very difficult to learn (I myself have a Panasonic 255 - I am very pleased, but it is quite expensive and too sophisticated for them).
My choice is now from four models:
1) Moulinex OW 200032 (it costs 3 thousand)
2) LG HB-202 CE (it is about 5 thousand)
3) LG HB-155 СJ (5.5 thousand)
4) Moulinex OW 300001 (5.9 thousand - a little more expensive than my budget)

Tell me which one is better? I'm still more inclined to choose between 1) and 3).
What do you think?
Thank you in advance.

vergo, after all, for older people it is better to take reliable HP, they do not need an extra headache, otherwise they will not use it. Look at the comparison of models for reliability - Panas is in the lead by a wide margin. Maybe see 253 - cheaper or cooperate with other relatives for a gift?

My father-in-law (also about 70 years old) has mastered Panasonic, there are no terrible bells and whistles there. Now I would have done with the 254th model - there is no dispenser (which I use "once every five years") and the "rye" mode (I also practically do not use it).
I looked at e-, so in Moscow Panas-254 can be found within 5.5 thousand (even one for 5140 is indicated). Maybe it makes sense to order from there? Is shipping expensive?

One more "pros" regarding Panasonic - you know this stove and can quickly and efficiently teach relatives, you don't have to understand the instructions that older people often simply do not read and the equipment can therefore stand idle. So it was with me - the stove stood at my father-in-law for several months until I arrived and threatened to take it back. After that, it was enough to show once how to bake bread and once to see how the father-in-law copes.

yes, come on .. little will depend on the price and the firm. They all bake bread the same way. I would buy them a little one in a recent topic, they showed it, and it costs two thousand or something .. I noticed it to my pensioners.
Isn't it a pretty girl?


pay attention to the buttons - you can't think of it easier for pensioners.

[gypsy]

absolutely agree with gypsy - the forum is full of examples and talented use of unpretentious models and mediocre use of promoted devices. After all, advertising is in the price.
I have Moulinex -2000. It makes no sense to take Mula 3000 - the overpayment is only for the form, she has fewer programs. If for retirees, then there may be difficulties with the display - it is not very bright. And the stove is wonderful. Go to the operational part of the "skiers" - maybe they will advise.I know that "skis" are good stoves, although when I bought myself, I chose
Didn't you look at the Kenwoods? Very, very worthy stoves!

Girls, why aren't HP Delongey considered ?. As it cost a year ago, the equivalent of $ 100 is still worth it. And there are very few complaints about them and they are simple and convenient in operation.

[Summer resident]

and for some reason, Delongees do not have "their own" face, they look like other brands. Except for the one that is the most sophisticated - programmable. Although there may be one manufacturer, they are similar in appearance. Vaughn Tefal is indistinguishable from Moulinex
Summer resident, by the way, is your HP good?
oh, probably not the right topic

Now I sat down and read the forum. And the choice narrowed down.
I will choose from two: LG HB-202 CE or LG HB-155 CJ.
What do you advise?

The spread of your models is inexplicable from the point of view of the task at hand. The first stove is unpretentious, the second - LG HB-155 CJ - sophisticated and sophisticated. From the point of view of gerontology, it is desirable to have inscriptions in Russian to make it easier, and if you think that it will be difficult for them to master even Panas, a good advice from Tsyganka. Take the LG HB-155 CJ, if you don't use it, you will have another decent stove. Serious advice: on the LG forum, read the reviews and the HP comparison. LG has its own peculiarities. And for old people such a technique is needed so that there are no unnecessary troubles and adjustments during work. Definitely, Panas may not be the latest model. These are just reflections on the topic you proposed. You will make the choice, naturally, for your own reasons.

Although I have Panasonic and I am very happy with it, but I would not recommend it in this scenario. It hurts the loaves are large for two people. And the LG 202 from my mother-in-law seems to have mastered it, although with the technique it is very "on you". The only thing, personally, I do not really like the display (it is like on an electronic clock, and the designation, for example, of the size of a loaf A-B-C), for older people it may not be clear what is written there. And also the instruction is semi-Russian, apparently the Chinese translated it with Stylus.

LG is very happy with it. Last summer, leaving on vacation, I gave my mother (she is 53 years old) to use it, wrote on a piece of paper how much to lay and which button to press, as a result, after 2 weeks she had her own stove (moulinex) with which we both figured out for a long time, because. there was a little confusion in the instructions. Now, for a year now, my mother has been baking bread according to the recipe I once wrote to her, and only on one program.
This I mean that for an elderly person it is better that the programs are selected not on the display, but with a button - pressed and you are exposed to the program you need. The ski has a bright and large glow for the time, it squeaks loudly - you must admit that this is also important.

choose a stove with large buttons - this is very important for pensioners. the larger the text and the clearer the display, the better. in fact, all stoves are the same, and the price soars from the promotion of the brand

If in the Arete there will be inscriptions not in Russian, you can easily write side by side in Russian with anything, even with nail polish. The program is the required minimum, there is even cooking. The loaves are small. It takes up little space. I've already written about the simplicity of the buttons.

Continuation of reasoning on the problem "CP and gerontology".
Katyushka, Your mom is not even a pensioner yet, she fits into the category of people who are busy and not very "sick" with the theory of baking. And at vergo old people over 70. This is a completely different age and other age-related problems, other life tasks and other health. But there is time, there is no need to rush to work, and HP makes it possible to have a new interesting occupation. This occupation should be facilitated as much as possible. Correctly advises fugaska about large buttons. I would add the presence of Russian text in the inscriptions. It is important that no additional "tricks" are required when baking: for example, covering the viewing window with foil or a towel to obtain a good top crust. A bucket that does not peel off is also important, otherwise they may get scared and stop baking (they suddenly ruined the thing).And, of course, the absence of "glitches", a capricious stove will not work for them. The main thing is that they have a positive attitude from the resulting baked goods, then everything will be fine.

I, as the owner of Panasonic, would strongly NOT ADVISE it for the elderly. Still, it is difficult to master, and expensive ... look into the topic: "Help, nothing comes of it !!" 80% - misunderstandings in mastering it with Panas, and not among the elderly, but among quite a middle age of the people.

The screen is faded, the inscriptions on the screen are either in English. language, or difficult to understand conventions, a bunch of buttons, programs that are 100% - a bunch will not use. My elderly relatives who really wanted HP, after looking at how I work with Panas, said that it was too difficult and in general they were not buying HP now - they were afraid that they would not be able to master it. Yet this stove is made for another category of people.

Take a thread with 2 3 buttons, and with large inscriptions in Russian.

I went to the store today and bought an LG 155.
And something so contented
I will go now to study it in more detail.

My mother is already a pensioner, and although she is only 53, her eyesight is no longer the same, and often she asks me to look at the display how much time is left, and my numbers are brightly lit and there are only 7 buttons, and the inscriptions in Russian. I’m not campaigning, I’m just giving my grandfather a ski.
Or maybe give the truth (thoughtfully), we must offer it on the day of victory - for the summer season.

Katyushka, your mother, although she is a pensioner (it happens that they retire in certain professions before the age of 55), is still a middle-aged woman (now this is defined as such). Naturally, health problems are already appearing, but this is qualitatively different from people over 70 years old. At this age, life orientations change, it is no coincidence that people over 70 are not reelected to leadership positions in scientific and educational institutions (for example, universities). And it is very important at this age to have active, useful, feasible classes. Give your grandpa HP! If this becomes his hobby, it will contribute to active longevity. It seems to me that HP is just a good thing for older people. An excellent slogan - each on retirement - a bread maker!

[an_domini]

an_domini I agree with you 100%, including that the stove is a wonderful gift - I will make a proposal for a family council

[have a good oven]

Don't throw your slippers at me .... plizzzzz

But look at what other household appliances your parents use.
For example, a good food processor with kneading attachments.
And provided, of course, that at home have a good oven.

For example, now I am happy to bake bread with yeast in the oven, but I mix in a combine.
The time required for kneading is much less than in c \ n, each stage of kneading and baking is well controlled, the result is excellent.
And it's so easy to do - I tell the truth
And if your mothers and grandmothers are already at an age and have learned to bake pies and make dough in their lives, then mastering baking bread with kneading in a combine will not be very difficult for them.

Oftentimes, your mothers and grandmothers have never had a good food processor at home with which you can make casseroles, biscuits and good bread - all in one.
I know this from my mother - for her it is better to beat the egg whites in the old fashioned way for 2-3 hours - the combine was an unattainable toy.

Success

In general, it is a good idea to analyze the parental household appliances and in the future give something appropriate as gifts. The main thing is to understand what exactly will be used. For example, at one time (20 years ago) I bought my parents, aunt and mother-in-law an Electric Meat Grinder "Electrosila" machines "Baby" and Baltic centrifuges for wringing out linen. The leader, of course, was "Baby". The mother-in-law, by the way, still loves her. Everyone quickly learned how to wring out the laundry, although this is an unsafe technique, requires attention, but the result is painfully beneficial.But the meat grinder was gradually losing ground, it seems to me that I got tired of the assembly and disassembly, I also noticed that over the years the old people begin to cook simpler and more troublesome food, I no longer want to make delights. Therefore, I think that the bread maker, due to its ease of use, is the very thing for retirees.

my over 70, they definitely won't bother with the dough. In general, different old people meet, it is necessary to look at their condition and addictions. It may turn out that they don’t need x \ n, it’s easier to go to the store for half black.

[the ability of retirees to work with this technique]

It all depends on age and most importantly on the ability of retirees to work with this technique - do not forget about it.
Well, there are situations and people who are not able to communicate normally even with the simplest technique, well, it happens often.

Again an example from home.

When I grind meat in an electric meat grinder, my mother has a lot of delight, how quickly, and so on.
But she herself will never use it, since she has problems with technology, no matter how easy it is to manage.
But we have 4 simple mechanical meat grinders wrapped in oiled paper - I barely took it away and took it to the dacha

And she will beat the whites with a fork for 2-3 hours, but she will never do it with a mixer, even the simplest one.

And all this must be taken into account when buying a gift.
It seems to us that we will do a great and good deed by giving what we consider necessary for them - but the purchase may not be in demand by them.

They can even bake bread with their hands, knowing how to make dough.
And they will never touch the x \ n, no matter how pretty it is!

Therefore, it is better to directly ask old people, young pensioners, what they want as a gift, and whether they will be able to use this gift in the future.

Sorry - these are my observations and my opinion

[vergo]

vergo, how can I understand you!

My mom will be 65 on October 14, her brains are already boiling from choosing a gift. The stove is not for her. I'm studying the topic on Electric Dryers ... But Admin the rights. And so I am tormented, my mother said that this is a cool thing, they say it does not dry over gas, it is clean, but I’m very afraid it will not be tricky for her ... Two years ago we bought a washing machine, so she still throws and takes out linen, and dad presses the buttons

But the option to ask, does not work for me, she will still refuse. (She saw both the refrigerator and the washing machine when they were brought home, otherwise nothing would have happened, she does not need anything, she is already fine. And now she walks around with a rag and wipes the machine and praises, they say, my good and smart little refrigerator - the fruit freezes. ..)

vergo, how can I understand you!

Admin, everything is correct. I would add that sometimes it is useful to show them how it works, and they suddenly become interested. Of course, pensioners are different. My friend's mother is 78 years old, she knocks on the computer better than her daughter and does it part-time in the company (her eyes were operated at the same time), and my own mother-in-law, who, at 60 years old, enthusiastically knitted very complex things on a knitting machine (and to order), and on the other I did machine embroidery (demonstrated at exhibitions), now at 75, it does not even fit this once favorite technique - I lost interest. So I think how to preserve their interests, this prolongs an active life.

[artisan]

artisan , your mom can handle the dryer - there are no buttons.

Such a technique will quickly become familiar, necessary. The main thing is that your mom really needs her.

eh ... and I was so fired up was to give the HP to my parents, but - dad doesn't like bread from HP at all, do you see it, "shob khlibyna bully important, healthy, shob is dense taka ... and you bake from sho? hiba yogo how can you find it ?, yak fluff! "
I'm afraid even a professional dough mixer won't cope with such bread
it may not be necessary to ask directly, but it is necessary to gradually ventilate the question

I am the situation

"Two years ago we bought a washing machine, so she still only throws in and out the laundry, and dad presses the buttons."

is not that simple. I noticed for elderly couples, often wives behave like that in front of their husbands.These are also certain social and psychological things that give not only comfort in life, but also have the status of role-playing games. Women without husbands in such situations calmly work with such a technique. I just wrote about my mother-in-law, who abandoned knitting and embroidery machines after 70 years. And at 73, she bought herself a washing machine, called it, they connected it, and for 2 years it has been working without questions (one question was about the powders, she wanted to get by with the old ones), although if the light bulb burns out, she calls to come and screw it new.
In general, gerontology, apparently, is not an easy thing. It would be useful to master it in advance.

[artisan]

artisan , your mom can handle the dryer - there are no buttons.

Such a technique will quickly become familiar, necessary. The main thing is that your mom really needs her.

Thank you, I start to believe that I came up with the gift correctly. My mother dries apples and pears for herself and for my family and for that guy, as they say. (there are always those who want it !!!!) Dries over the stove, at night, constantly getting up to stir apples .... I told her that there are electric dryers, so she immediately caught fire, they say this is a thing, this is great, but I saw in some kind of magazine that it costs 600 UAH, then said that it would be better to dry it on fire ...

These are also certain social and psychological things that give not only comfort in life, but also have the status of role-playing games.

It's just that she is very afraid that such an expensive thing will break because of her carelessness. Therefore, he shifts the management process and responsibility to the Pope.

I noticed for elderly couples, often wives behave like that in front of their husbands. These are also certain social and psychological things that give not only comfort in life, but also have the status of role-playing games.

But don't tell me, my parents under 70 and all my life with technology dealt only with mom, and dad is even afraid of a mobile phone, all he can do is press "answer", and about SMS there can be no question. I also wanted to give my mother HP, she even got hot, but then she thought and said that it would be better to use a harvester to chop, cut and chop.

Uh, Suslya, I wrote "often", focusing on the proposed situation. To consider all the options for long-term relationships of married couples is at least a dissertation. Although I also observed your version with one elderly employee with her husband, at the age of 65 she is building a dacha herself (she travels to construction bases for materials, hires workers, etc.), and her husband is passively present, and this couple has been living together for more than 30 years. It all depends on many factors: the characters, first of all, the model and motives of the relationship, etc. But we have already gone far, let's get closer to HP - agitate mom for HP in addition to the combine, I really like the idea of ​​joining technique for the elderly, it should bring positive emotions, it is very important for them.

... she is building a dacha herself (she travels to construction bases for materials, hires workers, etc.), and her husband is passively present, and this couple has been living together for more than 30 years ...

So this is about mine, and they have been living happily for 46 years. And as for HP, I will nevertheless incline her to this step, all the more so since my mother is a real master with a test for "you", but her hands are getting weaker.

and have been living happily for 46 years
May God grant them health for many years! And it will be good for you, without parents it becomes lonely, nothing can be done.

[relatives of the older generation!]

Oh, girls - don't push your mothers and grandmothers anywhere, i.e. relatives of the older generation!

Do not forget - they love you, and will always do so that they really like your gift, they really need it, and they will say other good words, they will smile very sincerely! Well, they can't refuse you - so they thank you, smiling.

But then you will see that your gift will stand without work, even in the package. There are many answers to your question why - there are many answers - yes, you know, but there was no time to get it, yes ... yes ... yes ... and so on and all this with a guilty smile.

And how will you feel at the same time - with resentment, with repentance, etc.?

The best option is to find out directly what your relatives need, what they will use, let them play with these toys, and so on.

And then at meetings you will smile openly, and not shyly hiding your eyes, or with resentment.

Good luck!

maybe not in the subject, but in my opinion a simple small microwave would be very useful for lonely pensioners. They would definitely use it often for warming up.

maybe not in the subject, but in my opinion a simple small microwave would be very useful for lonely pensioners. They would definitely use it often for warming up.

Aha! I thought so too. But my mommy refuses to eat a cutlet if I heated it in the microwave - it's harmful!

My mother's gypsy (she is 67 years old) categorically does not want a microwave, although I always suggest giving it to her, for this New Year she ordered a filter jug ​​for water, I always ask her what to give me seems to be more convenient for her and for me.

I must always ask, just when the brains are in a hot spot from thoughts of what to give to old people, then the microwave is very even .. it is harmful for everyone to have their own cockroaches, I think from the heat no one has died yet they will not sleep in it at least 80-year-old father-in-law uses a microwave oven given by us. She is small and very simple with mechanical handles.