$ vetLana
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Today I bake Ritin on unstrained whey with pre-mix.
Wow size for L turned out!
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ladnomarina
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What did I find aaaaa ...
Thalia, Qween's pie dough didn't work either in my refrigerator overnight. Yeast, when kneading in the oven, added half a teaspoon of saf moment. Standing in the room, waiting for the rise. Apparently the yeast is pressed. needed with dough
mamusi
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Rita wanted to ask: how much of this serum can be stored in the withers (specifically for bread)? The fresher, the less acidic (do I understand correctly?)?
Sveta, I store the serum for up to 5 days in the refrigerator. This is maximum. Usually used to buy pies, muffins, cookies, bread. And sometimes I give to dogs in the heat, they love serum.

Sveta, Khlebushek is beautiful!
how does it taste ???)))
M @ rtochka
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how does it taste ???)))
Can I answer?
I baked the day before yesterday, today it's just as soft! I liked the bread very much. The recipe is simple, apparently, it is the curd whey that improves the taste.
mamusi
Daria, so nice to hear!)))
We're going to finish eating him now, too. It is lush, but not empty, but so rich. Delicious !!!
Waist
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Thalia, I had Qween's pie dough in my fridge overnight.
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Apparently the yeast is pressed. needed with dough
Mirin, my dough does not rise in the refrigerator on pressed yeast, I do this
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Perhaps you're right, you need a compressed yeast dough for this cold dough. Need to try.

Svetlana, Daria, Rita,
well, you tease the craftswomen ...
And after all, unstrained whey has already been taught to make, now don't screw it off - you need to bake
mamusi
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you need a dough of pressed yeast for this cold dough. Need to try.
What kind of dough, Natasha?
Waist
Rita, here you are a fine fellow that asked, I messed up (corrected in the post above) I make a universal dough for pies from Anis, knead in HP of course
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like the lean version in the cold way.
On pressed yeast, it does not fit well in the refrigerator, if kneaded and sent to the refrigerator. On instant products it increased 2.5 times. Stands in the fridge, today I will make pies with potatoes
M @ rtochka
Natalia, somehow I missed this dough recipe ... I use another from Anis, I must try it too. Thank you
mamusi
So I did not notice this ... that does not fit well. I have Lux yeast. And the dough always tries to run away.
Well, as an option, you can hold it a little on the table first, and then in the refrigerator. No?)




Here is mine from Anis in the fridge. I also aimed the oven. It has been standing since 9 am. See what already!

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M @ rtochka
The day before yesterday I started Anise's dough for pizza. Yesterday morning it hit the lid of the container. And last night, when I got it to bake, it was fallen. I was surprised. But since I hadn’t baked it for a long time, I thought, maybe it should be so ...
Yeast is also Lux.
The pizza came out fluffy, but for some reason it seems that before the dough itself was airy at work, but yesterday it was a little bit sticky, heavy.
Waist
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Well, as an option, you can hold it a little on the table first, and then in the refrigerator. No?)
I also thought about this option, I'll try.

You have a pretty dough, Rit. I've never seen mine like that. because I have it in an opaque bowl in the refrigerator.

ladnomarina
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Mirin, my dough does not rise in the refrigerator on pressed yeast, I do this
Thanks for the answer. The dough rose a couple of hours after the cold captivity, baked a pie with cottage cheese. I liked the dough itself, now I will try the dough according to your link. I have already brought it into my collection. I bake bread every day. In Panasika, every bread is a song. I added dry paprika and kvass wort concentrate to wheat-whole grain with fresh herbs.Yummy!
mamusi
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I bake bread every day. In Panasika, every bread is a song. I added dry paprika and kvass wort concentrate to wheat-whole grain with fresh herbs. Yummy!
BOY !!!)
Our person! Peks and brag to us. Well, what ideas will be ... too.
$ vetLana
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Sveta, Khlebushek is beautiful! how does it taste ???)))
Ritochka, I liked it very much
mamusi
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highly

And what did I say!)
He is cool!
$ vetLana
mamusiWell done, you simplified the Mistletoe bread and turned out to be delicious, fragrant, airy
ladnomarina
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BOY !!!)
Our person! Peks and brag to us.
Thank you for your kind words! There are already enough of my simple recipes, but I can't put a photo from a tablet here. Everything is laid out in a selection of bread maker, my baked goods on Google + it's easier there, I shared and wrote from the gallery. I hope I'll learn how to post tutochki, I've already read how, but from a computer. I like the local people, I read the forum drunk





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And last night, when I got it to bake, it was fallen. I was surprised. But since
Yes, not buzzing, the yeast has worked, and the dough has fallen off. Maybe they didn't have enough sugar for a long time, they ate everything, and went to the bottom? ☺
fffuntic
Oh, how many tasty and beautiful things were baked, even there are cupcakes. You have to go here for a good mood, which is what I do
A little bit of yeast - for beginners only - wanted to clarify.

So they are arranged that a direct analogy with a well-groomed and undernourished chicken. A well-groomed one immediately grows and prettier, and an undernourished one, even then with good nutrition, recovers for a very long time.
That is, how you prepare the yeast for work, so it will continue to live. Revive in the warmth, in a warm dough, and then put it in the refrigerator, they will ferment there more intensively than those that you chilled and not very active in the cold place.
And add to this the different temperatures in the refrigerator.
Someone has eight degrees there, and someone four.
At eight, the dough will grow, and below 4, more sleep.

The colder it is in your refrigerator, the more you need to force the dough to ferment in warm conditions before planting in the cold. Otherwise, in the cold, the yeast will continue to sleep.
And the warmer it is, the stronger the watch is, so as not to ferment. There the dough rises more intensively and it is necessary to crush it more often.
Otherwise perwill rise, break the gluten - just the dough will look fallen, and if there is an excess of yeast, it will smell of yeast and alcohol, and the bread will be tasteless and heavy.

M @ rtochka,
There is enough sugar in flour so that the yeast does not die in a day. The sugar wouldn't let the bread fall out.
Yesterday morning it hit the lid of the container. And last night, when I got it to bake, it was fallen. I was surprised. But since I hadn’t baked it for a long time, I thought, maybe it should be so.
the dough was already filled with air, fermenting to the fullest even before putting it in the refrigerator, and it had to be often crumpled, and not left unattended for a long time. Apparently, the refrigerator is not very cold or there was a lot of dough and it remained warm inside for a long time and continued intensely to wander.
Therefore, it stupidly fermented, broke and fell off from the strong tension of the gas without heaving.
Here you need to either put the original dough, which is more chilled and precipitated from excess gases, in the refrigerator, that is, make the batch colder and keep it warm for a very short time so that it does not ferment too intensively, or reduce the amount of yeast initially. Or even in the fridge from time to time to glance at and cheat.
What else I wanted to add to the dough in the refrigerator. It is better to lay the dough in an even layer, not in a lump. And it is desirable to put it in a basin more evenly and thinner in thickness. So that it quickly completely cooled down and fermented more evenly. Otherwise, it can cool down at the edges and just sit, but inside it can continue to wander for a long time. This will give an uneven accumulation of taste, which is not ice. Well, if you already completely be a pedant

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mamusi
TEACHER ours came !!!!

Len, well, I told them the same thing ... well, almost ...
$ vetLana
fffuntic, Helen is back!
And I always put a lump in the hall, I did not know about what is better to put in a layer. Thank you
fffuntic
$ vetLana, Sveta, here it is no worse or better, but whatever is more convenient.

If you have prepared the dough and it is already a little bit and ready, but you need to leave for 3-4 hours. That is, you need to slow down fermentation a little.
Then you put lumpy and let it grow more slowly, but does not stop, right under your return. Came - butchered and baked. The shorter your absence, the thicker you can leave your lump. You don't need everything to slow down quickly and dramatically. You're just wasting time a little.

And if you put it in the evening and plan to do it the next day, then the task is more serious. It is necessary that the process slows down abruptly and then proceeds slowly and evenly, so much so that it even lasts until evening without a hitch.
Therefore, if you put a lump here, it will wander intensively for a long time in the middle. You don't need that. Here you need to knead well - saturate in reserve with oxygen, spread it - and in the refrigerator. So that the process quickly cooled and slowed down and the yeast had enough oxygen for breathing, but initially there was no gas from fermentation - to knock everything out. Let it accumulate from scratch.

You will say that you can initially knead the dough cold and then stick it in a lump. Theoretically, it is possible, but in practice, the colder the batch, the more congested))) the chicken and then it grows worse even with a normal content. It is tastier when you make the dough work well, that is, you knead well warm so that fermentation starts there perfectly, and then you drastically slow down the process.
And if you shove the initially frozen chicken. then the processes there will proceed not only slowly, but half-heartedly in all respects. Therefore, it is better to reduce the yeast, but knead the initial dough so that everything works there before putting it in the cold.
In theory, it would be nice to check out the power of the cold in the refrigerator, otherwise if it is not cold enough there, then we leave it for a long time, either in a lump, or in a layer without heaving, although it is better here in a layer, it will cool faster, and will not wander in the middle for a long time, but the edges to sleep. It may still grow sharply and it would still be necessary to do a wrinkle in the refrigerator.
And if it is very cold, well, there are 4 degrees in total)), then it can quickly cool down like a lump and the figs to flatten it, and the dough must be kneaded hotter and allowed to come to life very much, wander before the cold, otherwise it will fall asleep in the ice refrigerator and truncate.

The bottom line is that any recommendation is only suitable within certain limits.
You need to adjust to your refrigerator for the best result.
All refrigerator recipes ideally assume a shelf temperature of 8-10 degrees, as far as I understand.
At this temperature, the yeast perfectly lifts the dough, but the dough cooling is slow. If it is necessary to cool sharply for a long time without supervision, it is better to flatten and beat well.

$ vetLana
fffunticLena, maybe cold fermentation for bread has already been discussed. But I saw this recipe.
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(shade)

I wanted to try. But not in the oven, but in the HP. Other bread. This
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($ vetLana)

I already baked it with pre-mix on dumplings. It turned out great.
And if 1. Pre-batch, 2. In the refrigerator (for several hours), 3. Low-yeast or Basic program?
fffuntic, Lena, what do you say?
fffuntic
but I will say that "cold fermentation" can be used wherever and whenever you want. For almost any recipe, but put the dough in the refrigerator at the half-cooked stage and with very lively yeast.
And you must understand the essence of placing dough in the refrigerator.

In general, after all, I'll load you with a bunch of letters

The longer the dough ferments, the tastier it will be due to the work of bacteria. It is bacteria that accumulate acids in the dough that give flavor and aroma.

BUT .. in parallel with the work of bacteria there is a process of acidification, oxidation and other degradation processes, this is due to the chemistry of the processes, this cannot be avoided.Therefore, it is impossible to keep the dough warm for a long time, and in the refrigerator the degradation processes are inhibited and the yeast ferments more slowly, that is, the dough is inflated with gas more slowly, gluten develops more slowly, and therefore you can keep the dough in the cold longer with the accumulation of tasty acids from bacteria.


Therefore, to get tasty dough you need
- revive the yeast, pick up their amount, saturate the dough with oxygen so that there is enough nutrition, but not ferment too quickly and do not inflate the dough excessively like a ball, requiring strong gluten and a lot of kneading, for the entire fermentation time, prolonging the fermentation process as long as possible during set temperature so that the dough does not degrade.

Therefore, if you take any "warm" recipe and want to make it with "cold fermentation", then
remember that the proportion of yeast in it is designed for a shorter fermentation time in warm conditions, and although in the refrigerator with very rapid cooling, their fermentation can be greatly prolonged in time and slowed down, their amount may still be excessive.
If you want to keep it in the refrigerator for 12 or more hours, and you have a not very ice refrigerator, then the amount of yeast should definitely be reduced. Otherwise, during these 12 hours, your dough will stop there without hesitation.

That is, the amount of yeast must be matched to the time of the planned fermentation in the refrigerator, especially since whole grain flour is a yummy for yeast and they ferment more intensively with it, or look at the dough for the first time and be sure to knead it.
It is difficult to decide right away with the slips.
Excessive rise and fall, that is, the destruction of gluten, must not be allowed.
Either watch the hat, as it became a dome - crush, or
as it will grow more than 2-3 times, crush without waiting for the maximum.
The main thing is to prevent overgrowth. Here, see for yourself what intensity of dough growth you will have in the refrigerator.
Ideally, you need to choose the amount of yeast so that for 8-10 hours you will be free from fussing. But if you're wrong, crush more often in the process.

Now a little about pre-mixing.
So, the taste of the dough depends on the work of bacteria in it. It is the products of their vital activity that fill with aroma and give a special taste.
And these bacteria are sea types and each type loves its own temperature.
Therefore, in a bread maker at warm fermentation temperatures, one type of warm bacteria can live and saturate with acids, and others multiply in the refrigerator - hence the difference in tastes. At the same time, in the refrigerator at 4 degrees, the taste of the dough and at 8 degrees will also slightly differ, because the dough will contain different cold bacteria.
But that's the fairy tale of yeast dough - the conditions have slightly changed and the taste changes.

But all bacteria that are thermophilic, that in the refrigerator require long time for their reproductionuntil they begin to flavor the dough properly. Moreover, the longer they work, the tastier the dough. Here you have to understand that when they talk about "cold fermentation" we are talking about hours exceeding 8 hours .. Otherwise, you will not get the advantage to taste.
At each temperature, there is a minimum time required for bacteria to multiply. In a warm place - at least 4 hours, and according to GOST for a safe test - from 5 hours. For cold fermentation - if I'm not mistaken, from 8-10 hours.

So real cold fermentation - yeah, requires putting the dough in the cold for a long time.

Therefore, you must understand that Pre-Mix is ​​very important.
You can make a warm type of dough with "heat-loving bacteria". We do this in HP.

Can be completely cold. It is when short we knead a very warm dough, that is, we just revive the yeast, and then immediately put it in the refrigerator for "long fermentation" for at least 8-10 hours, so that cold bacteria, which are slower than warm ones, can multiply there.
And you can "mixed type" - this is when the semi-finished "warm dough" is made at first.
For a mixed type with cold fermentation, make sure to do it strongly !!! semi-finished dough in a warm way, and then it is cooked to the end by cold fermentation.
In Panasonic the Dough program (well, or any short pre-mixing that you choose) lasts a little more than 2 hours, from the point of view of the life of bacteria, the time is short. The dough is not even half-finished, but still raw and it is quite possible to put it in the refrigerator for a long time, BUT
the recipe uses whole grain flour - a yummy for yeast, they ferment more intensively on it. So I would definitely lowered the amount of yeast, if I would have planned a long cold from 8 hours in the refrigerator, especially if I have it not cold, flattened and knocked out before a long cold fermentation.
Then I would watch the dough in the refrigerator, kneading it and sniffing it.
It can easily stand, especially in a warm refrigerator.
And you should also understand that if it is recommended to place the dough in the refrigerator for 4-5 hours, then this is not "cold fermentation", but simply cooling the dough and inhibiting yeast fermentation for the convenience of the hostess. During this time, the cold bacteria will not give a noticeable taste.
This means that before being placed in the refrigerator, such a dough should be almost ready-made with the aromas of warm bacteria, because cold ones can only work from 6 hours of standing in the cold, and preferably from 8 hours, and for 4-5 hours they are nothing. the test will not change.
And for almost !!! of finished dough, long fermentation does not make sense.
If the dough is almost ready, then the processes are in full swing, acids from warm bacteria, all sorts of special chemical substances have accumulated, and additional long standing, even in the cold is undesirable, warm bacteria will begin to die, the dough will degrade.
Almost finished dough is usually only slowed down in the refrigerator, and kept for the convenience of the hostess or for a short fermentation, 4-6 hours - and "real long fermentation" may not work.
Therefore, the more "ready" the dough, the more possible it is only to cool it down and slow it down a little - yes, but there is no sense in "giving a long cold fermentation", the taste will deteriorate.

IN Beating bread with oatmeal and pumpkin seeds in the oven (cold fermentation)the program only works for 1 hour 25 minutes, it's completely empty raw !!! the dough, in fact, only started fermentation a little, so there it turns out "full cold cooking" for more than 12 hours. That is, for long-term cold fermentation, Pre-mixing should be exactly Pre-mixing with a very short preparation of the dough in the heat, and not put the almost finished dough in the refrigerator for a long time. Well, it's also important to revive the yeast very strongly. They have a very long job in difficult conditions. It is better to use live ones, probably the instant ones will also squeeze out. But active simple ones are unlikely.
What else.
IN White bread… The stove is not a Panasonic. And in them there is usually a hot, strong batch, and Panasonic has very gentle at lower temperatures. Therefore, it is probably better to revive the yeast additionally in a chatterbox, for example - it certainly won't be worse.
You need a little yeast, but for it to work 100 percent.
If yeast is not enough, it's okay ... you will lengthen the cold fermentation))), but
excess yeast will not only overlap the dough, they will take a break if they do not have enough oxygen for a long period of standing, or will require a heap of strokes by the rapid growth of the dough and spoil the taste and aroma, or even tear the gluten.

And a little more theory about "cold fermentation"
All the fuss is due to the fact that degradation processes can be greatly slowed down in the refrigerator, thus increasing the fermentation time, that is, the accumulation of acids.
And in the same place, gluten develops chemically over time, as if we were kneading it mechanically, but without oxidation with oxygen.
At the same time, mixed fermentation: both in warm and cold gives the richest taste of bread.

Fanatics of this method would reject our pre-mixing method in HP. Because for a fabulous taste, it is still impossible to allow the peroxidation of the dough, which occurs during intensive kneading. Too much oxygen makes the taste easier.
Cold fermentation fanatics recommend kneading the dough gently with handles with the development of gluten below the initial level - below how our HP develops, only to revive a tiny amount of yeast in it. Literally tiny.
They are allowed to wander for a short time in a warm place (but without overexposing, the dough remains half-baked) with very rare gentle wrinkles and
then such a dough is placed for a day or two (maybe more, I was not particularly interested in this issue) and they are not afraid of all the necessary neat strokes by folding the dough.
This creates a dough with a very long fermentation, the development of gluten for an exceptionally long time in the refrigerator, and an original taste.






In the light of a heap of letters ... If you are planning to arrange a "long fermentation" from 12 hours,

then reduce the yeast and revive it properly so that it works like Papa Carlo. Keep in mind that in Panasonic the batch will be non-hot and the yeast can safely start working at half strength, take care of them additionally.
I didn't do a long fermentation with dough preparation in our oven. Here you need practical experience on the specific behavior of yeast brands when kneading in Panasica, and then daily gatherings in the refrigerator.
But I believe in the power of Lux Live Yeast. These animals, even in cold dough and just crumbs, always work even in small quantities. Perhaps even here you won't even have to revive it additionally. But such things should be checked in practice.
With warm fermentation, 4 g is enough for me in a French luxury for 400 g of flour. That is, I would probably take 2-3 grams per 500 g of flour in your recipe for long fermentation, well, no more than 4 g of Lux for sure. But again ... a matter of practice. How cold it is in your fridge. Maybe you can take exactly 2 g if it's warm there.
IN White Bread for 600 g of flour, 10 g of live yeast is taken. But they are not lux, but weaker, although the batch is hotter and the yeast must work with all its might.
If you make a mistake with the quantity - more - it means you will do more work in the refrigerator and you cannot overexpose. How to make three strokes (that is, the dough will grow 2-3 times) - pull it out, otherwise the gluten may not stand, even three strokes are too much for whole flour, two strokes for the eyes will be enough for her. Smell it after the second rise, if it smells good, take it out. Whole flour does not like violence.
Less yeast - then hold the dough longer until full cap lifting, not 12 but 16 hours there .. how long it takes.

Whole flour is a weak flour. The softer the batch, the tastier it will be from prolonged fermentation with minimal gluten development.
Therefore, I would choose either a low-yeast dough, or even softer kneading - whole grain or dietary dough, then let it ripen for a long, long time in the refrigerator.
Choose the main dough - there the kneading is stronger, the gluten is oxidized and kneaded more strongly. Well, theoretically, the taste should be simpler.
And practically panasik is tender, I think that the difference will be insignificant in taste. But in theory, Diet Dough works best.
But if you want to put the clock at 6, then you don't have to bother. Choose any program and pop the yeast with less friction, but it won't be "long cold fermentation"

mamusi
Fuf ... I read to the end, thanks, Lena.
I think that Sveta Pre-Kneading called mixing 5 ~ 10 minutes on Dumplings, and not the Dough Program.
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Lenchik, look, I have a question ~ I'm doing Universal from Anis ~ she has 10 minutes. Knead on dumplings and immediately into the cold. People love this dough. Almost everyone without exception is holding him. But I had a couple of failures and I started to follow ... what's wrong?
1. On the second day it rose strongly, on the third day the opal was in the refrigerator and fu - it smells sour.
2. If on the second day you take out a piece for something and knead it slightly, then the rest of the batch feels better further ...
3. If it, initially mixed, is left on the table for an hour, and then in the cold, then I have better.

But, Anis does not spell it that way. How others are doing, I do not know. But according to your theory ~ I'm right.
Mandraik Ludmila
Lena, you write, write, we all, I think, read, very informative and even though I do not ferment the dough in the refrigerator, but after reading it, I’ll start it, but while I absorb it, I need time to digest and assimilate everything Thank you!
M @ rtochka
And we do not have in any topic about kneading bread about cold fermentation? Maybe move? And then after all here only Panasonic scholars hang out.




Lena, thanks, very interesting!
contramot5
For 5 years I was tormented with French bread (SD-2501) and came to the conclusion that the recipe was written incorrectly (the Chinese tried), you need to add 1 tbsp. l. sugar in any of the three French bread recipes and everything turns out magnificently and tasty with any flour and yeast, the loaf sticks out of the bucket. I tried it with SAF yeast, our ordinary bakery yeast, which is like plasticine, with Chinese dry 500 grams for 72 rubles, and with any flour, and now everything comes out great. And I came to this conclusion by chance, I downloaded recipes from the Internet for those familiar with other brands of ovens and everywhere there is sugar for the recipe for French bread. And then what kind of dregs they didn’t say at the forum: the stove in the “summer” regime was gone, and there was no flour and the yeast was retired. So this is not something for you, but something like that! You got used to believe the inscriptions.
mamusi
contramot5, Hello. Who are you? STRANGER!

On French mode, I bake sugar-free ~ always good
Sometimes with 1 tsp sugar is also successful ...
My Panaska 2501 never let me down according to the recipes from the Instruction.
Although Natasha Daily and I sometimes pop in French and everything is fine!
Anchic
contramot5, good day. French bread is good without sugar. He, in fact, should be baked without sugar. But if you specifically like sugar more, then please bake with sugar. I just haven't figured it out yet - what have the Chinese got to do with it?
Mandraik Ludmila
contramot5, in my panasik everything rises perfectly even without sweets, and the taste is French (baguette), but in other stoves, the modes are simply wrong: the standing temperatures and the intensity of mixing are not the same
$ vetLana
Quote: fffuntic
In general, after all, I'll load you with a bunch of letters
Yes, I was. Well, from the first time I didn't remember everything. I will still delve into it.
I dreamed about "like: mix on Pelmyany, put a bucket in the refrigerator, forget about it for 12 hours, get it out, put it in HP on Malo-yeast and, when baked and cooled down, ripe, gobble it up"
Quote: mamusi
I think that Sveta Pre-Kneading called mixing 5 ~ 10 minutes on Dumplings, and not the Dough Program.
Rita is right. She taught me to do the pre-mixing on dumplings before the main program.
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Lenochka, thanks for the answer, for the work (practically a mini-dessert)
mamusi
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pre-mix on dumplings before the main program.
At first I had to do it, because of off. el energy frequent. So as not to get caught with unmeashed bread! Then the bread can be saved.
Then I liked it. The bread tastes much better for me.
Today Natasha Daily baked it like that. Natashaaaa,
$ vetLana
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Then I liked it. Bread tastes much better for me
Rita, right. Softer, more airy. I've baked it several times already. Liked.
Mandraik Ludmila
Girls, help me with a link, I can't find a recipe for bread on uncleaned whey, otherwise my husband didn't drink on time, I have to dispose of
Mandraik Ludmila
Daria, thank you, I helped out, that's what I was looking for, I found the recipe myself, but I don't remember Ritochkin's method
contramot5
mamusi, Anchic, Mandraik Ludmila,

Oh, these women, they can't understand anything the first time, well, the stove does not bake the French bread if the flour is not the highest and the yeast from there too. A little bit of sugar is not enough for the rise, sugar is a little bit sweet. Well, you need to read carefully the opus about other stoves, not only from japan and that even the French have sugar in those recipes.
Waist
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Oh, these women, they can't understand anything the first time,
You choose expressions. Nobody has offended you here.

mamusi
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mamusi, described how she baked in HP.
for some reason there is nothing there, probably the pages "jumped".
Waist
I corrected all the links and placed them on the first page as a baking option in HP.

Wheat bread on not strained whey - an option for HP (mamusi)
mamusi
Thank you, Natasha, otherwise Luda is baking there now. I'm worried about her. The recipe, however, is simple.
Mandraik Ludmila
Dechenki, I’m already baking, well, what’s a hodgepodge, what will happen in the morning, because after kneading on dumplings, I set a dietary regimen. I mixed flour. varieties with whole grain and second grade.Since the tan turned out to be filtered, and even carbonated, I added 30g of my curd to it for fidelity ... well, as usual, I can’t repeat the recipe for sure, since the bun was leveled by eye. still a lot of things to do ...
mamusi
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I mixed flour. varieties with whole grain and second grade.
Lyudochka, I have no doubt it will be delicious, but this is not the same Bread ...
Try it, Omelkin somehow, I advise ... He is white and fluffy and, of course, not dietary at all! :-)
Mandraik Ludmila
mamusi, Ritochka, everything worked out! Delicious, softly, on a full bucket in height, everything was afraid that she would run away, the dough is oh-oh-very lively Report and photo here: Wheat bread with not strained whey # 101
Khlebushek will go to his parents today.
I was still making bread according to the recipe from the instruction book (brewed) rye-wheat, in rye mode, instead of rye malt, for interest I put liquid barley, it turned out to be a nice gray bread.
mamusi
Quote: Mandraik Lyudmila
happened! Delicious, softly,

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Lyudaaaaa, you are great!)
You have a real dough! I then put all the flour right away .... and just add the "extra" batch with the Pelmeni. This I just call it "pseudo pair".
You did it more serious.
How do you taste 2nd grade flour in bread? Feels like?)))
I've already baked Chuchelka rolls on it ...
Mandraik Ludmila
Rye-wheat bread with barley malt:


Serum 330ml
Rye flour 350g
Wheat flour 200g
salt 1.5 tsp
sunflower oil neraf. nedezodor. 1 tbsp.
Barley malt (liquid) from Pudov 80ml
Honey 2 tbsp
Coriander (ground) 0.5 tbsp
Yeast 2 tsp


I did it on the rye dough mode, at the beginning of the kneading I helped with a silicone spatula, then it itself "spun" into a "snail" so that the dough almost crawled out of the bucket, then let it rise one and a half times, this is longer than the program time, the final - I turned on the baking for 50min. The bread turned out to be gray, almost in the literal sense of the word, an unusual shade. For my taste, honey is needed much less, it turned out very sweet, but fragrant and moist, as it should be for rye-wheat bread.
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Mirabel
Mandraik Ludmila, Luda! super!!! as always!
mamusi
Mandraik Ludmila, Lyudochka, you wrote that you bake on ripe dough ...
Here is my first experience, accidental!

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Yesterday, unexpectedly at night, I baked a small wheat-rye bread on a piece of forgotten dough from Anis ... He was 3 days old and he was clearly "wandering" ... I decided to try ...
I never baked, but I can't throw out the piece and put it in the HP with pre-mix. I did not expect anything worthwhile ... I took it out at one in the morning on an alarm clock, sleepy. I covered it with a towel and left. Now in the morning I tried it and was stunned!
Mandraik Ludmila
Quote: mamusi
you wrote that you bake on ripe dough ...
Where? I haven't done this for a long time, unfortunately
Ritochka, what kind of bread did it turn out, porous, pretty, ghostly I suppose Can leave a piece specially from the previous baking in the refrigerator ... Only this will increase the cooking time, while you warm it up, or is there enough time to equalize the temperatures?

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