Airborn
Does 2522 only bake 600g of bread? It will not be enough!

It's just that my HP Panas "I don't remember which model" decided to retire. Here we sit with my wife and think: 2502, 2512 or drive 2522 from Germany?




I think I understand: 600 grams is the capacity of flour. The same 2502 and 2512 have a similar capacity with an output of 1.25 kg of finished bread.
Elina
I contacted the Panasonic company said in May-June the PANASONIC SD-ZX2522KXG model will appear in Russia ...
Sergey_
Quote: Elina
I contacted the Panasonic company and said in May-June the PANASONIC SD-ZX2522KXG model will appear in Russia ..
It's already the end of October, but you can't hear or see them all
Svetlenki
Interested in

Panasonic Croustina - a bread maker that allows you to bake bread with a crust

New models of bread maker from Panasonic

More details here

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We are already selling. The price is impressive

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fffuntic
Sveta, actually, the question is in the air, we fly into space, but our bread makers cannot give a normal crust? A number of constructive possibilities come to mind, which for some unknown reason no one wants to do.
I wonder what exactly they used in Panasonic?

To be honest, I understand a microwave with a programmable oven function for a lot of money. There is a very complex unit. But stoves at the same and higher price are too much. Although no one asks my opinion.

ps. but you want an ideal stove. I like panasiki, the better the stove, the more interesting it is. A very interesting novelty. If you lower the price - there should be a little charm.
Sergey_
I wrote to technical support. Got an answer.

Hello, when will the Panasonic SD-ZX2522 bread maker be sold on the territory of the Republic of Belarus or the Russian Federation?

"Thank you for your interest in the Panasonic brand!
We would like to inform you that this year new models of bread makers will not be presented on the market of the Republic of Belarus, RF. "
Alex100
Yes, at such a price under 20, there will be few people who want to buy it ...
Mandraik Ludmila
Quote: Alex100
at such a price under 20 there will be few people who want to buy it
Here, here, with such a course, our Panasik will burn out, I am now interested in Breeze-1, but so in the future
Svetlenki
Quote: fffuntic
I wonder what exactly they used in Panasonic?

Lena, I'm interested in myself. From the scanty marketing information that is provided on the site of the English seller, they highlight several points. I translate almost literally:

1. The oval shape of the bucket and the resulting loaf of bread is more attractive than the standard rectangular shape. And it is this shape of the bucket that contributes to the conditions as close as possible to the conditions of baking in the oven, which, in turn, leads to obtaining bread with a crispy crust.
2. The careful placement of the ribs on the bucket, combined with the rhythm of the paddle movement, "imitates" the mixing technique of the master bakers and, when using the "raisin" and "stuffed" program, the movement of the paddle ensures a perfectly even distribution of the ingredient in the bread.

I read the list of programs. I was most interested in the program

Crusty lean - white wheat bread without added butter and sugar, the crumb texture will resemble a baguette, the crust is thin

Quote: fffuntic
But stoves at the same and higher price are too much

I agree, it's expensive, but there is one BUT. Panasonic, as you very often say, is absolutely reliable in work. Even a beginner will get excellent bread in it if he is attentive and has accurate scales. And then you can already play with non-standard forms, with a combination of modes, etc.

While I wait for the reviews, I will look at the pictures, what happens, maybe the price will drop ...

By the way, in terms of power it is more powerful than model 2511.700 versus 550 kW.

I found another important detail - there is a material in the lid inside that reflects heat during baking ... One of the description pictures at the link below is shown clearly

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Creamy
I wonder if a bucket from old Panasonic models will fit into a new model's node? I watched another video, there is a new bucket close between a circle and an oval. To the unsophisticated eye, it resembles hearth bread, including a predicted ragged roof, roof topping and a whole grain base with fillings.
Svetlenki
Quote: Creamy
including a predictable ragged roof, roof topping and a whole grain base with fillers.

On the German Amazon, in the reviews (refer to my previous message) there are already many photos of bread, cupcakes of the owners of this oven ... I can't bring a photo here. In the normal system, they are not copied here.
Gingi
Quote: Svetlenki
We are already selling. The price is impressive
Interestingly, will they be delivered to us? The price is not encouraging, but there is still hope that it will fall over time.
Creamy
Here is a video with the new Panasonic, showing all the stages in a bucket, from kneading to proofing and already baked bread.

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Sedne
To be honest, this new bread maker is interesting, it would be nice to have delivered to us, otherwise nothing has been delivered for a long time and one could hope for discounts. In fact, there was already HP with a crust in Mulinex.
Waist
More Video about Panasonic-SD-ZP2000-Croustina


fffuntic
crusts - shine. But why are muffins and breads so squat? some kind of sloppy form for me.
And what, to make a high roll is weak? why are there no examples?
Waist
Linen, look, everywhere the dome is torn or cracked. It kind of works out with tight dough... For kneading a tight dough, they probably increased the power of the Loaf, they really all are small. A tight dough piece does not float in the form, as in conventional CP breads. We also increased the reflection of heat from the lid for rosy baking of the dome.
fffuntic
Natashik, watched the video, but everything is accelerated and indistinct in the details. A torn dome is not necessary for a tight dough. A strong upper heat is enough, which will pick up the crust ahead of time, so it will crack.
They are there in every possible way and demonstrate this upper heat. Straight top grill effect
The question is, did they arrange such crap on all programs, or only on one?
If only I could see the instructions with the program plate, I wonder if their bread is normal as before?

I wonder if in our stoves a thick shiny foil is glued to the lid - will the effect be strong?

Sedne
If there, as in the mulinex (there, too, the crust at the top was torn beautifully), then the bread is almost like an oven in this piece and on all programs.




Quote: fffuntic
I wonder if in our stoves a thick shiny foil is glued to the lid - will the effect be strong?
No, that won't work, the fact is that I have a moulinex with a crust, the bread there is very different in taste. This moulinex gives out almost oven bread, according to the video from Panasonic it is the same.
Here's bread from moulinex, not mine, but Irina's, Vernissage, if you don't cut it, it always breaks, like in the oven.
New models of bread maker from Panasonic
Mandraik Ludmila
Quote: fffuntic
And if in our stoves a thick shiny foil is glued to the lid - will the effect be strong?
I have a chocolate foil under my small roof, shiny side down, this is how I compensate for the hole from the filling dispenser, I pulled it out. Doesn't tear the roof. But in general, the crust in my panasik suits me. The husband sometimes cuts off the crust, especially if he takes off the denture. I gnaw and it is quite crispy and hard ... So maybe this is because of the foil? I will have to take it out and see what happens without it
Sedne
Quote: Mandraik Lyudmila
So maybe I have it because of the foil? I will have to take it out and see what happens without it
No, I have a crust in my Panasonic, but it is not the same as in the oven yet.
Creamy
I am not at all fascinated by this torn crust. And if all programs have these torn crusts? Am I the only one or are there still such?
Sedne
Alevtina, you can make cuts before baking, then there will be no torn crust, I personally like it, it looks very nice.
Svetlenki
Well, the ice has broken.Now the price has fallen even slightly on the German Amazon for the new Panasonic Croustina. This may be due to pre-New Year discounts, but nonetheless.

On pre-order, it is now 281.17 euros, the seller is Amazon. That is, it is not available now, but the money will be withdrawn only when it appears and is shipped.

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By the way, no matter how I looked for the instruction, I could not find it. The secret is apparently
Elena 65
Hello to old-timers and not so much. I went to write the answer in the recipe and looked at the forum. What's new to see. What interests our bakers now. At the same time I looked to see if there are any new models from Panasonic. There is nothing new. my stove is still advertised as new. I didn't like the Japanese options. the only advantage is its positioning relative to the wall. Otherwise the same principle, yeast dispenser, for additives. Exotic breads have been added from the programs. Over the years of use, I can say that there are few people who will use all the programs. Each user has their own food favorites and after trying several options, stop at a small amount. I have it - 9 mode - chabat, 1 mode - rye "cake", 3 mode - creamy with raisins and my favorite pastry - brioche, 11 - mode. I remind me of a "European", a model made for Europe, the difference in the modes. I knead the dough in a food processor. I rarely cook jam, if there are very few berries, then I will fill it, as well as a traditional bowl for a bucket of cherries. The yeast dispenser works, knocks just as loudly. We have never asked for repairs. The crust is still excellent. The bread is still delicious. True, there is no longer the shine of a new thing inside, but it does not bother me anymore (at first there were attempts to wash it inside and then I stopped paying attention to it) The dome does not "tear". In short, everything is still fine. In recent years, I switched to corn oil. Of additives in chabata, I constantly make it with grated sesame seeds and flax seeds. I throw in a tablespoon of the mixture regularly. For the good. I don’t buy amaranth cake. hold back the constant supply of flax. Although the desire has been there for a year. You should at least buy oil or something. Added apple pectin (gives a slight fruity flavor) Fiber was not impressed. Somehow like this.
Wit
Lena, why is corn oil impressed? Maybe I'll go over.
mamusi
Elena 65, Lena, oh! How I love your bread! I take this opportunity to say THANK YOU !!!
"Wheat-rye bread with prunes and pumpkin seeds" for Panasonic (SD-2502) # 104
Elena 65
Quote: Wit

Lena, why is corn oil impressed? Maybe I'll go over.
The answer is simple - switched to it in cooking. like, it's not so harmful. Come to think of it, the many harmful substances present in our environment are fat-soluble. Therefore, if we compare the environmental friendliness of crude oil, it seems to me that all oils are in the same conditions (we take the masmarket). Next comes the factor of heat treatment. Here corn is better than a sunflower. There was a period of olive oil, but in the end I got tired of messing around every time with a new purchase (look for the first spin, not a fake) It's easier to buy corn. In terms of aroma, it is neutral and therefore suitable for salads and bread.




Margarita Thank you for the praise. Pleasantly. Now I don't even remember how this recipe turned out. The choice of prunes with rye sourness was deliberate, but pumpkin seeds "got" into the recipe by comparing with other grains.
mamusi
Quote: Elena 65
Next comes the heat treatment factor. Here corn is better than a sunflower.
More details can be found here for those who are in the tank.
Do they have different heat treatment? Yes?
Wit
Lena, thanks for the detailed explanation
Elena 65
Quote: mamusi

More details can be found here for those who are in the tank.
Do they have different heat treatments? Yes?
No, it means if oil is used for frying. When heated, the structural chain changes and harmful carcinogenic compounds are formed. Therefore, refined oils are recommended for frying, refined. But even in refined oils, "harmful" changes occur during prolonged heating, so the deep-fat oil must be changed after a small number of cycles.
We fry on fire a little and rarely. For this purpose, we use the Electric Grill and there you need very little oil.Therefore, we buy regular corn and use it for various purposes.
Fleury80
Girls, I wanted to order SD-ZP2000, but I was stopped by the lack of a dispenser and a dumplings program. And in general there are 2 times less recipes. Well, how so What do you think?
Tillotama
And I'm wondering in the new stove they probably turned off the magic function that all repairmen and advanced users used. Thanks to someone from the local who prompted three magic buttons, literally Ctrl Alt Del, switching to technical mode - and then a simple endless kneading or heating - proofing. I use it constantly.
And in the new stove they replaced the sensors ... Now what you press figs. And in the old ovens, it was in my opinion that the double lid was successful, thanks to which the baking is always successful. And here it is not clear. A manual programmed mode would be better done. However, the Japanese have already done that, but this model is not being brought to us ...




Fleury80, and where to look at the menu close, I can not find. And besides Pelmeni - only Dough? The dispenser is not particularly needed IMHO.
Sails
Wildberries now have the lowest price for a new SD-ZP2000 bread maker. It costs 19496 rubles.
SunCityCat
The lowest price for SD-ZP2000 is now on Computeruniverse. Only 14726r.
Panasonic SD-ZX2522KXG is more expensive, 18502 rubles.
I'm sitting thinking what to choose
Seryoga Gray
New programmable model Panasonic SD-MDX101- comes with 100 automatic recipes for it -Recipe book, its and instructions, you can download ..- they have some interesting new Panasonic autorecipes ..

SD-MDX101 features:

Power supply 100 V 50 Hz / 60 Hz
Power consumption (approx) 430W
Dimensions (approx) Width 26.3 x Depth 35.6 x Height 35.3 cm
Weight (approx.) 6.1 kg

Number of menus 40
Capacity (Bread) Half bread, 1 loaf
Inverter motor ○
automatic input ○
Automatic raisin injection ○ (selectable with "Rainson" key)
Automatic amount of raisins / nuts (maximum) Dried fruits up to 100g Nuts up to 100g
Pot with a lot of fluoride ○
Choice of crust color Dark / Standard / Light

Natural yeast menu
Plain bread 7 hours
Bread dough 4 hours
Revitalizing dough 24 hours

Dry yeast Semi-automatic
Bun * 2 3 hours 15 minutes
Marbled bread No. 3 4 hours
Arrange bread # 3 2 hours 15 minutes

Automatic machine before baking
Pan de Mi 4 hours 50 minutes
Plain bread 4 hours
Soft bread 4 hours 20 minutes
Bread for sandwiches 3 hours
Quick baked bread 1 hour 55 minutes
Quick sweet bread 2 hours 20 minutes
60 minutes of bread 1 hour
Rice bread 4 hours
Rice French bread 4 hours 40 minutes
French bread 5 hours
Rye bread 5 hours
Wholemeal bread 5 hours
White bread 3 hours 50 minutes
Half bread 3 hours 35 minutes
Rice flour bread (with wheat) 2 hours 30 minutes
Rice flour bread (wheat free) 1 hour 55 minutes
Dough making
Bread dough 1 hour
Hard dough 2 hours
Rich fabric 1 hour
Pizza dough 45 minutes
8 minutes fabric speed 8 minutes
Udon and pasta 15 minutes
Instant cooking course * 4 54 minutes
Corn sauce * 4 58 minutes
Gluten-free cake number 5 1 hour 40 minutes
Cake number 5 1 hour 30 minutes
Vegetable pie 55 minutes
Raw chocolate 17 minutes
Milk jam No. 6 From 1 hour 10 minutes to 2 hours 10 minutes
Jam No. 6 1 hour 30 minutes 2 hours 30 minutes
Compote No. 6 1-2 hours
Sweet sake * 6 * 7 From 6 to 10 hours
Ann 1 hour
Rice cake (2 to 3) 1 hour



Mandraik Ludmila
New models of bread maker from Panasonic
Why am I confused, is this something completely new? Looks very tempting, little white is not, well, that's how to live, what to want
$ vetLana
Quote: Mandraik Lyudmila
Why am I confused, is this something completely new? Looks very tempting, little white is not, well, that's how to live, what to want
Lyudochka, you can want, but you can't buy from us
Mandraik Ludmila
And I found something for 20tyr, where the photo was copied by some unfamiliar store
ladnomarina
Here are the bourgeoisie, teasing with new stoves.
Waist
Quote: Seryoga Gray
The recipe book, its and the instructions, can be downloaded .. but they are ... in Japanese .. also text - password protected - not copied .. but it's a pity - they have some interesting new Panasonic autorecipes ..
If you really need to, you can use the PHOTO translator. Have you tried it?
Seryoga Gray
Quote: Waist

If you really need to, you can use the PHOTO translator. Have you tried it?
I try ... but the translation is still not very clear .. but there is a chance - even with pictures to save ..
Waist
Quote: Seryoga Gray
but the translation is still not very clear.
This is necessary for an experienced baker to look at the translation of the recipe. Then all the incomprehensibility and oddities can be replaced with correct Russian words and expressions.
fffuntic
the password-protected pdf can be password-protected in online services on the internet.
Here is a panasonic sd_mdx101 manual with a Japanese-language recipe book with no problem copying. The recipes are translated quite clearly in google translator. The instructions on the pho will be 14 days.


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Seryoga Gray
Quote: fffuntic
The recipes are translated quite clearly in google translator. The instructions on the pho will be 14 days.

THANK YOU. I managed to pick it up. Readable.
Seryoga Gray
New from Panasonic, it remains only to look in the CIS .. Does the exclusive distributor seem to be greedy?
In the Russian Federation, it only delivers - TRASH ... Made for cheap and from inexpensive components in "Horns and Hooves" but the price is expensive ... only a chip with firmware, a motor and a heating element - were in old models - good ... I bought it for cheap - and sold it dearly?
For them and for the CIS, if we compare:
Externally - the quality of workmanship - here and there, the bread makers differ ..
The package bundle here is incomplete - even in the upper models, here the "displays" are small and there are colored and large, here the walls of the bucket are thin and there are thick, painted and coated ... the cases are hot here - they don't heat up there ... mounts for buckets - here plastic - there is metal ...
Svetlenki
Seryoga Graywhat it was Explain your position. I was already taken aback by such unfounded statements.
Seryoga Gray
Compare the old Panasonic SD-BMS102-N and SD-BMS151 with SD-257 ... the package bundle, build quality ... there are a lot of photos ... there were no such stoves in the CIS ... and with such distribution, new ones models the same way, and we will not see ..
Waist
Quote: Seryoga Gray
In the Russian Federation, it only delivers - TRASH ... Made for cheap and from inexpensive components in "Horns and Hooves" but the price is expensive ... only a chip with firmware, a motor and a heating element - were in old models - good ... I bought it for cheap - and sold it dearly?
This is not rubbish, but a simplified version. The same is supplied to Europe.
What is produced in Japan for Japan is unprofitable to sell in other countries.
Outside of Japan, a bread maker with half programs for special rice varieties will not be so popular and purchased as to spend on purchasing, preparing for sale (translating instructions at least) and selling.
And for those who really like purely Japanese devices and WANT to buy them, there is an opportunity to buy on the Internet.
By the way, you don't like something - do it yourself! Make yourself and dozens of others happy throughout the CIS
Quote: Seryoga Gray
The package bundle here is incomplete - even in the top models
It is not clear what is not enough for you?
Quote: Seryoga Gray
here the "displays" are small and there are colored and large, here the walls of the bucket are thin and there are thick, painted and coated ... the cases here are hot, they do not heat up there ... fasteners for buckets, here are plastic, there is metal ...
Wow, you have two HPs and can you compare them live. Or is it a judgment from internet pictures?

Nikita, You express YOUR opinion very critically. Can you suggest and do something yourself?
HP Panasonic, even in the version that you criticize, is on the list of the best-selling in the world. They are not cheap anyway. Few of those who nevertheless bought and use Panasonic HP can afford to buy a Japanese one in Japan, with all that it is possible to buy.
Seryoga Gray
I also have a Panasonic MK-G1800P meat grinder ...

I think that defense factories are better in the Russian Federation, it is necessary to connect to the production of household appliances, as it was before ...

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