Tephal coating scratches

Good day!

The stove is only a month old, but scuffs / scratches on the inner surface of the container are already noticeable. We take out the bread extremely hot, immediately after cooking.

The question is, does everyone have this or is it just me doing something wrong?

Coarse salt, an hour, don't use it?

How do you extract freshly baked bread?

Coarse salt, an hour, don't use it?

Coarse salt, but the nature and direction of the scuffs suggests that they do not occur when kneading, but when removing the bread.

How do you extract freshly baked bread?

Yes, in fact, the method is simple, I turn it over and shake it slowly. The loaf clings to the loaf and therefore you have to do 5-10 shakes.

Various additives (nuts, seeds, etc.) can also scratch the coating, and the coating in each model of stove is different (like in pans). One peels off immediately, while the other lasts a long time. Which oven do you bake in? In my LG, after baking the bread, I hear a signal that the bread is ready, but until the end of the program there is still 20 minutes for the bread to cool. Then another signal is heard, indicating that the bread can be taken out.

Stove Moulinex ow3000.

Only two signals, one after the end of the program, the second after 1 hour (keeps warm). The manufacturer recommends removing after the first signal.

The coating is branded Tefalev (at least so it is stated), I did not think that it would begin to "die" so quickly.

P.S.
Nuts and seeds have not been used yet.

And salt, in my opinion, is better to take fine salt ... Or dissolve it in advance in the amount of water required for kneading ... Coarse salt is much harder than nuts and seeds and, in itself, is abrasive.
Correct me if I'm wrong ...

I hope you don't wash it with a hard washcloth?

The loaf clings to the loaf and therefore you have to do 5-10 shakes.

This is unlikely to affect. Just in case, when removing the loaf from the bucket, do not shake it, but simply turn the screw right and left a couple of times when the bucket is turned over. This is exactly what I do in my bread maker. Then the loaf comes out of the container more easily.

I hope you don't wash it with a hard washcloth?

No, everything is according to science, with a soft sponge and liquid gel, I also don't put it in the dishwasher.

Salt, of course, is abstruse, but scuffs occur when the finished bread is pulled out, it seems to leave microdamages when sliding from bottom to top.

I just thought that there are ways to protect it from scratches ... well, grease it with oil before baking or pull it out in a tricky way

oil before baking

And this is also an option. I always grease.

And this is also an option. I always grease.

I'll try to turn the screw and grease with oil ... thanks

In any case, I hope that in time, when there are more scratches, the quality of the bread will remain unchanged ... And the trough will not, like old frying pans, attach food to itself

And that the panasonic people are silent, everyone is all right? But I have not. There are also marks on the ribs. I ordered an extra bucket, however, for the jam, but I feel that it will not be superfluous at all. The only thing is that they have a protracted 40-70 days delivery. 70 has not yet passed. Hope I get my bucket. So what about the scratches or is it just me? They appeared, obviously, when you get bread. It turns out that the bread scratches the shape with its crust. Apparently, it roasts a lot. If no one else has it, then I have something with the recipes.

My bucket has slight scuffs, I would not call it scratches. They can be noticed only by looking closely. There are a few scratches on the bottom, but this is my own fault.I carelessly removed the crumbs from under the blade. Now I just shake it out properly, and then I wipe the bucket (I never wash it and I don't grease it with anything).

I have small but not scuffed scratches, but thread-like scuffs. But there is one small type of scratch. Appeared from the first day of use. I, not having read how to take out the bread, the first three times I pushed it away from the walls with a wooden spatula. I thought he had to pull out like that. After that, she appeared. Although, it seems like it shouldn't be from a tree.

Hmmm ... Against this background, my "Morphy Richards" looks like a fairy princess ... And I tried to get bread with a wooden spatula, and threw seeds-nuts into the dough and the coating didn't get scratched. And the blade is not plastic, but a removable metal with a Teflon coating ...
True, she only serves me for two months, but she has proven herself well.

Yes, there is a scuff on one of the two "ribs", appeared after extraction - dietary bread, according to the second recipe for cotton (bread with a "brick" crust, and itself like a brick - phew).

After the first bread with pumpkin seeds, I got scratches ...
probably nothing without it

I don't seem to have anything on the sides of the bucket - no scratches or scuffs, but for the first time the kneading spatula itself VERY scratched out of ignorance - I tried to pull it out of the loaf after my first baking and did it extremely carelessly with the help of improvised means. As a result, deep scratches formed on it, but to my great joy, besides the aesthetic side of the matter, the scratches are not pleasing to the eyes, this has not affected anything else - the spatula does not get stuck in the bread and is functionally suitable.

I also have no scratches or scuffs on the sides of the bucket.
But a long (half-circle) scratch appeared at the bottom, apparently from a lump of dry sourdough "home-bread". There is nothing else - I use ground salt, sift flour. When kneading, I remember, at that moment there was an unpleasant rattle, and when I took out the bread I saw this strip.

I believe that the topic says about the Teflon coating

I have some abrasion under the knife. It would be necessary to buy a mortar, but not all the time.

I have been using Panasonic SD-253 bread maker for more than three years, I bake often. Small circular scratches and abrasions appeared on the bottom, as I used coarse salt and ground coriander, the kneading spatula is also slightly scratched. This does not affect the quality of the bread yet, nothing sticks and does not burn.

Believe it or not, after several months of using LG, no scratches, defects and all that. The bucket is just out of the store. But there is one scratch on the plastic knife. The knife was left in the bread once, after baking French bread. I decided to get it when the bread cools down. But my husband came and began to cut bread (I was not in the kitchen). It is good that he, having bumped into an obstacle, stopped, and did not begin to cut to the bitter end, otherwise, I don’t know what would be left of the poor plastic. And so they got off with a small scratch.

Panas has abrasions on the vertical ledges inside the bucket. But the knife is in perfect condition.

One of the Disadvantages of the Deeelonghi BDM125S Bread Maker:
Very thin and non-permanent non-stick coating. (already scratched. Scratched not with a knife, but with raisins. Nobody said (in the instructions) that raisins should be steamed. I took a full dispenser out of the bag and sprinkled them. But the raisins were dry, it turns out. Well, judge for yourself about the quality of the coating.)

I do not consider myself guilty at all.
Example: A baking dish "Vari wisely" (its price is 100 rubles), I, forgive me, several times INSIDE coals and shish kebabs on coals. And I do not remember what I did to interfere with the coals inside. And not a single scratch. And now I bake the chicken inside, because I bought a brazier.
And here, the rotating blades and such quality.

And making such a quality non-stick spraying is simply a shame in the presence of an already inexpensive sputtering technology that is not afraid of scratches!
A SHAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is clear that the manufacturer is deliberately "not in a hurry" (especially Panasonic) to make "eternal" coverage - take a look at the cost of the bucket - 1100r and more (for Panasonic). It's just a robbery !!! With this quality.

How much a bucket from my stove costs - I can't imagine. because I barely bought the oven itself. Half a year looking for where. and the "buy" mode lasted for 1.5 months

My almond bucket also scratched ...
I have the following thought: is the metal under the coating harmful?

Ha!
For those who do not want to scratch their bucket - advice! don't do like me!
For some reason I decided that you can soften the oil right in the bucket! And before that I put salt and sugar in there! And softened - did! Only "scuffs" appeared ... Well, at least not scratches!

I also got some very small scratches, vertical ones, on one of the "sides" of the bucket. By their location, I concluded that the scratches made dry crumbs when I wiped the bucket with a dry cloth. Now, before wiping, I pre-rinse the bucket.
Although, of course it is possible that they are from "shaking out" bread with a tough crust.
In the description on my x \ n there really is a recommendation:

Let the bread sit for another 10 minutes

and only then pull it out. I do not adhere to this recommendation and pull it out right away.

But, interestingly, I use coarse sea salt for cooking, and there are no scratches from it.

I, too, have no scratches from coarse salt. And also various additives - seeds, seeds, etc. It seems to me that the reason is different - weak metal, shaking out the finished bread (although everything is fine with me), or using the spatulas with which you throw off excess flour when kneading.

... or the spatulas with which you discard excess flour when kneading.

I don't throw it off with shovels. In extreme cases, there are hands for this - at the same time I feel the consistency. But this is with experiments.

I don't throw it off with shovels. In extreme cases, there are hands for this - at the same time I feel the consistency. But this is with experiments.

, And

You are so smart !!!!!!!! And I don’t climb into cotton with my hands, for this I have a wooden spatula. And I don’t feel the bread, because they only touch the girls in the hayloft.

I have only a month of stove, and the bucket has already been decently scratched. And the scratches were formed precisely in the process of kneading - horizontal on stampings on both sides. And on the mixer, respectively, on the free edge, the coating peeled off ("scratched"). I am not fond of coarse salt, but I bake different breads with the addition of seeds, nuts, including. But these ingredients are always in the dispenser. Today I was in service (Kiev). At first I was told that this is not a warranty case, it is necessary to lubricate the form with oil But there is no such thing in the instructions And how can oil help if there are scratches from seeds, for example? Anyone have experience with oiling? And then how to put it at night? My opinion is that this is a poor quality coating. As a result of negotiations with the management, we drew up a statement of warranty replacement "as an exception" and said to wait 1.5-2 months. Well, let's wait. It's a shame that these places increase in size and in the process of baking bread sticks to them. In the spare parts department they were "pleased" with the price - 300 UAH. (approx. 63 $) and stirrer 65 UAH. (approx. $ 14). I ordered a stirrer, because under the guarantee they do not change it. Wait also min. month...

Most likely something really coated. I have signs of wear on all three stoves, but no scratches. Oil is unlikely to help here, because in the process of mixing and equalizing the temperature, it will be washed away / erased.

There is already a large thread for this topic, why else should there be threads.
Use search.

Regarding the coating: when I was planning to buy HP 3-4 years ago, the instructions for LG stipulated that the service life of the coating is 7 years, after which it begins to release harmful substances that lead to cancer ... Now this is in the instructions I have not seen (in my instructions, anyway). Does anyone have any mention of this?

Regarding the coating: when I was planning to buy HP 3-4 years ago, the instructions to LG stipulated that the service life of the coating is 7 years, after which it begins to emit harmful substances that lead to cancer ... Now this is in the instructions I have not seen (in my instructions, anyway). Does anyone have any mention of this?

Almost all household electrical goods have a service life of 5-7 years, then anything can happen to them, namely: they can serve for another 10 years, or they can begin to break, that is, the manufacturer does not guarantee anything.

My instructions do not specify anything like that (about the release of harmful substances)

a consultant at Berhoff told me that Teflon lasts 5 years, no matter how much it was used, then it is better to change it (then it was about a frying pan)

A small article on this topic:
A new material with amazing strength was accidentally discovered in 1938 by chemist Roy Plunkett, who worked in the laboratories of DuPont. Having received the name of perfluorocarbon, it immediately turned out to be in demand by the military in the production of radars. It wasn't until the early sixties that DuPont technologists decided to use it as a non-stick coating for kitchen utensils. Since then, billions of pots and pans have acquired the sleek "lining" of polymerized tetrafluoroethylene, the beautiful name Teflon.
There is no point in talking about the wonderful properties of Teflon - millions of housewives around the world have learned from their own experience all the advantages and disadvantages of this material. In addition to cooks, Teflon is also well known to physicians - its biological inertness, high resistance and low coefficient of friction made it possible to use the polymer for the manufacture of joint prostheses, implants, heart valves, vascular catheters and coatings for surgical instruments.
Of course, before entering a human dwelling, the new material underwent stringent toxicity tests. Due to its bioinertness, Teflon is completely harmless to the body. Even if the polymer layer is scratched and small particles get into the food, there is no reason to worry. They pass unchanged through the gastrointestinal tract and are excreted. However, hot vegetable oil is not the most "friendly" medium for organic coating. Therefore, skeptics still had certain concerns about the Teflon "behavior" when heated.
Despite extensive testing by the FDA in 1959 (prior to food approval), a number of independent researchers in the late 70's and early 80's studied the toxic effects of heated Teflon. Experiments on budgerigars and other feathered "volunteers" turned out to be disappointing - when they were near a heated Teflon dish, the test subjects quickly died. An autopsy showed that the cause of death was the development of acute respiratory distress syndrome. The sensitive lungs of birds were damaged by poisonous vapors released by the overheated polymer coating. However, the results of these studies were difficult to transfer to humans. It is known that the respiratory organs of birds can be damaged by any "domestic" fumes. A smoking cast-iron frying pan is a mortal danger to a feathered pet, but it is just a minor nuisance for an inattentive hostess.
Doctors are aware of examples of damage to the respiratory system in humans. The literature describes cases of pulmonary edema in workers who had prolonged contact with heated polytetrafluoroethylene at work. However, there have been no extensive epidemiological studies on the health effects of Teflon-coated kitchenware.
I hasten to reassure the alarmed reader. Modern analytical methods, for example, gas chromatography, make it possible to study in detail the composition of the vapors released when Teflon is heated.One such recent study showed that when a Teflon coating is heated, benzene is released from it, which is contained in one of the components of the non-stick layer. However, the release of benzene is small and depends on the degree of heating of the dishes. But even with significant overheating, the concentration of benzene does not exceed the safe level permissible for this substance.

However, caution, as you know, has not hurt anyone yet. Therefore, when using cookware with non-stick coating (Teflon, Silverstone, Excalibur), follow these simple guidelines:
Do not overheat the dishes. At temperatures above 220-250 degrees Celsius, the release of toxic substances increases.
Ventilate the kitchen area regularly. Ideally, the cooker should be equipped with a cooker hood that should be used during cooking.
Try not to scratch the non-stick coating, a damaged and worn layer releases a slightly higher amount of harmful compounds.

This, of course, is ridiculous, but today they changed my bucket under warranty, that is, completely free. I waited exactly 4 months (I ordered 1.07). They said they would not replace the spatula under warranty, so I also ordered a spatula from them (but in another department). They came at the same time, but for some reason they gave the scapula a day earlier. Imagine my surprise when a spatula came along with a bucket under warranty. Now I have 2 supplies.
Now I sit and think about how to grease the new bucket before baking, so that it does not peel off. The old was taken away

On non-stick cookware they write that it is recommended to grease with vegetable oil before the first use. Maybe it's true for buckets. And congratulations on your victory over the service center!

for the first use it is recommended to lubricate with vegetable oil.

I have been using Panasonic-255 for 4 months. Before the first batch (and all the others) I did not grease with oil.
Yesterday I noticed circular abrasions at the bottom of the bucket, where the scapula rotates. There are no other defects.

I came to the conclusion: since I filled in dry yeast with the first ingredient, and they are firm enough to the touch, this is because of them.
Now I add dry dozhi after pouring a part (about 100 g) of flour.
I will report on the results obtained in 2-4 months.

It seems to me that granulated sugar rather acts as an abrasive, its edges are sharp and it will be harder than yeast

At first, at the bottom of the bucket, I poured dry yeast and I assume that they are to blame for the scratches.

But I will take into account your remark about granulated sugar and will add it between the layers of flour, just like yeast, although I usually put sugar on top.

Although there is an option - first pour water! The main thing, probably, is that the yeast does not react "ahead of time" with water!

And you can also dissolve granulated sugar in water!

Oddly enough, unlike the overwhelming majority of stoves, on Czech IT it is recommended to fill everything in the reverse order - first water, fill it with flour, sugar, and only then yeast. In my opinion, water or yeast is not the first to matter, another thing is that if you set on a timer, then the yeast must be separated from the water, otherwise it will ferment. And so it seems to me there is no difference.

But I will take into account your remark about granulated sugar and I will add it between the layers of flour, like yeast, although I usually put sugar on top.

And you can also dissolve granulated sugar in water!

The fact is that if you put sugar and salt on the flour, and then pour in the liquid (the recommended order of laying), then the sugar and salt have time to dissolve while the temperature is equalizing. If you put it right away for kneading, then of course it is better to pre-dissolve coarse salt and sugar. Although I don't. I put everything as usual.
Scratches at the bottom of the bucket appeared from candied fruits and seeds, nuts, which I added to sweet bread and kulich.
Well now ... They appeared, so they appeared ... I don't make problems out of this, they don't interfere.

I agree, in any case, the bucket with them will last a year, and after that it will be seen whether we can order a new one or a new stove will appear. Salt is guaranteed to have an abrasive effect, even surfaces are recommended to be cleaned and polished, in my opinion sugar should be - hard crystals with sharp edges (to avoid the effect, you can dissolve it or replace it with honey and molasses), and all sorts of seeds.

In the topic about delonghi, I suggested one option to avoid scratches on Teflon - who is interested, go to the topic

Gentlemen, experts, tell me, please: HP Panasonic-255, service life 3.5 years. The coating is frayed on the protrusions of the bucket



I bought a new spare, but can I still use my own (for example, for kneading), or get rid of it right away?