Bread Maker Panasonic SD-ZB2512KTS

[AlenaDS]

AlenaDS, so you also have this program in 2502, under number 2 (Main fast) and it is no different from the analogous one in 2512 ..

I know, and I'm asking about this program, because I forgot yesterday to clarify what exactly this program was and was unhappy with. Almost always, the bread did not have time to stand and rise. But four hours for an ordinary large loaf on the 1st Basic is enough for him so that he would successfully turn out on any flour. Therefore, I clarify whether there is a difference? Maybe it's just me?

[AlenaDS]

AlenaDS, and you try this recipe:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=4459.0

Thanks for the recipe, I'll try it today! After analyzing the menu of the new bread machine, I came to the conclusion that everything practically remained the same, only in the new HP, in comparison with the 2502, two programs were added to the Baking menu; 2 and 5. These are Basic Low Yeast Bread and Basic Filled Bread. And two programs in the Dough menu; 16 and 18. Namely - Basic low-yeast bread and Basic bread with filling. And the new bread maker has a display backlight. Girls, I would send a photo. But it doesn't.

it's 2502 it's 2512. As the photo promised.

[Yeast -B: for regular baking]

Read in the instructions NOTE:
Yeast -B: for regular baking
Yeast -R: for faster baking
It was written in bread recipes. About the weight of yeast.
Please explain what is the difference between regular and accelerated baking.

[ZAJIGAEM8]

ZAJIGAEM8, Yeast is the same, the amount is different, that's the difference. In the accelerated time, there is less yeast, there is no bread to taste.

[ZAJIGAEM8]

ZAJIGAEM8, accelerated baking is in case you need bread "yesterday". Saving time on standing (it is not there, here you yourself make sure that the ingredients are at room temperature), short kneading and proofing with an increased amount of yeast (but still the bread will not be as high as on a normal program and the smell of yeast may appear in the bread ) and short pastries (the bread will be baked, but light). You can try the recipe you gave AlenaDS above.
In general, about yeast (almost everything you need to know) here, take your bookmarks: https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...tion=com_smf&topic=4844.0

thanks people!
I will also ask:
1) the bread in the 2512th model turned out with voids under the upper crust, how can this be avoided so that the inner crumb is homogeneous? well, like in bread from the store ... (I think it's probably not baked.)
2) Also, the bread is sour. how to make it taste neutral? (I think something should be done with yeast.)

with voids under the upper crust,

Pick up a recipe

Business with x. did not have. I took it according to the recommendations.
From the first time everything worked out, I did not even expect it. I left the bread wrapped for three days, it does not crumble, and the properties have not changed.
The oven is as easy to operate as a penny. Doesn't smell like plastic. The spatula was never left in the bread.
Disadvantages: short cord, loud dispenser, by the way I only put yeast in it. No display backlight.
In the photo, XL main bread with a delayed start for 8 hours.

thanks people!
I will also ask:
1) the bread in the 2512th model turned out with voids under the upper crust, how can this be avoided so that the inner crumb is homogeneous? well, like in bread from the store ... (I think it's probably not baked.)
2) Also, the bread is sour. how to make it taste neutral? (I think something should be done with yeast.)

it stops at you. add colder liquid.

Hello! I'm not a good cook, I bake bread for the first time. Acquired HP Panasonic 2512. I baked it twice: in the main mode (the most primitive millet) and low-yeast.Naturally, everything is strictly according to the recipe. Everything would be fine, BUT! Both times the bread is sourish (1 time I baked at once, the second with a delay, after 3 hours it began to work) I am in complete disorder !!!! Is it the stove or am I to blame? Tell me, expert craftsmen! Will it always be sour for me ???! (I bought all the fresh products). In her first experiment, I added ice water, 2 times-warm. Thanks to all who are not indifferent !!!

[Starlight]

Starlight, I smoke that neither the stove nor you are to blame. I want to clarify that "fresh" products are not always just bought in the store. I already went through this: after a series of normal breads, there was a succession of glitches. I asked, like you, for advice.
They helped. The bread went normal, tasty. What did I do? First I replaced the "freshly bought" yeast with the same one, but from a different store (both yeast and flour are supplied in batches). I did the same with flour. When baking, I alternately replaced yeast, and then flour. The bread tastes normal. It was then that I realized that we can do anything "fresh". And the "freshly bought" yeast and flour flew into the bucket. Now I take only one packet of flour for testing. And if everything is fine, I buy two more.
Follow the link to Tanya-Admin... Very interesting there
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=1308.0
Good luck to you!

No display backlight.

Does the Panasonic SD-ZB2512KTS have no display backlight? This is one of the differences from 2502. Or am I wrong?

Wrong

Although this is not critical. Even in dim light, the inscriptions are clearly visible.

I bought this model the other day instead of the SD-255. I note right away that this is higher in height and the lid is already backward, as it did not fold back in the last (it rests against the upper cabinets - I have it on the tabletop, the height to the cabinets is standard - 60 cm), you have to move it to the edge to fold it back. I didn't really like that the noisy dispenser, from which the yeast does not always spill out completely (apparently, the plastic is electrified). And in all other respects, I seem to be happy - I still use little

In order for the yeast to spill out completely, you need to follow the instructions - wipe the dispenser with a wet material, not dry. Then there will be no static.

[liv.ve]

liv.ve, thanks for the advice!

Oh, well, I'm bragging))) I also looked closely at bread makers for a long time, but I baked bread in the oven. And just recently I made up my mind, read the reviews and bought a Panasonic 2512. A friend shared her experience and recipe (worked out), here I am sitting and waiting for my first bread from a bread machine. I'm worried about how it will turn out? The first is ???

Well, now I can share my impressions
left side
right side
bottom

Probably due to inexperience, she weakly put on a spatula and it was baked in bread.

[Tsvetik777]

Tsvetik777
The paddle cannot be worn loosely or tightly) It hangs on the shaft. Apparently this was done so that when baking bread, in the gap between the shaft and the spatula, the baked dough would fix the spatula, preventing it from falling out with the bread.
Your bread roof exploded. Apparently the recipe or ingredients are out of order. Although I'm not special and can only guess.
...
Bread made of 1-grade flour, according to its taste, turns out to be more acceptable for use with dishes. Made of premium flour, still sweet and more porous, like a bun)

[liv.ve]

liv.ve, you have a very beautiful bread, please share the recipe.

[Tsvetik777]

Tsvetik777
Thank you. Recipe from the book.
Menu 01 as 03 is quick bread. Size XL, dark crust. The weight after baking is always the same - 886 g .. I don't open the lid during the process, what happens, then I'll eat it)

As I understand it, the accuracy of the recipe matters. Therefore, I bought a Zelmer 34Z051 scale for flour. It got better.
At the saf moment, the loaf was lower. Took another yeast, it's better. Saf-moment, earlier release, apparently it affects. Added half of both)

[Tsvetik777]

Tsvetik777A good bread, a tough spatula turned out and got stuck, a little more water and the roof will not tear.

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, Thank you))))

[liv.ve]

liv.ve, thanks for the tip, I'll try to mix yeast.

Dear bakers, owners of the Panasonic SD-ZB2512 model! Please tell me how noisy the yeast dispenser is in this bread maker? (or, in principle, it is always noisy and you need to look for HP without it)

Recently acquired a 502 model, shocked by the dispenser firing. Children are scared! I am looking for a replacement bread maker ...

[Maramashka]

Maramashka
The yeast dispenser shoots 4 times, quite loudly. For nuts and raisins, quiet.

because of one sound of dispensers, it is not worth giving up this lady Sonya. we get used to the sounds of trams and trains, but here it's all just a stove. if the children are scared, let the parents teach them to be calmer. on my own I can’t hear. mine says the sound of the dispenser is strong, and at the end of cooking it is weak (I have heard this and confirm this). there were explanations from the company - this is a feature of the process that is not yet correctable. and the stove itself works like a clock. everything that is stated does 5 points. if something doesn't work out. you need to search on the forums or figure it out yourself (the products were not packed in the right way, the products are not the same). although in the first one I often confused the consistency and threw the yeast directly into the flour, nothing, Sonya fixed everything and baked it perfectly. You can also come up with a lot of new recipes yourself, the main thing is to understand the principle, and then create and enjoy. I liked the stove. I advise.

I say again: whoever does not like the sound, let them post a sample of this very sound, and everyone who cares about this issue will clearly buy or not.
If you do not like the sound, this is your own business, but agitate and convince others of this is nonsense!
There is only one major factor in all this fuss with a bread maker and baking different types of bread - the taste of the bread. If you bake bread strictly according to the recipes from the booklets, then absolutely any bread machine will taste sour raw meat, although in appearance you can say that the bread is baked. The type of bread is always awesome, but the taste is not ... Here they post a photo of the bread, as if the photo can be eaten! Lay out the dispenser sound sample. This will really be useful, and from the pictures of loaves is one putol. I've seen enough pictures and bought a stove, and only after the 5th-7th time it started to look like delicious bread. Here, no one is talking about this. You have to be smarter! And we must also admit that it is not possible to make bread tastier than a good factory one. Or maybe someone has never tasted delicious factory bread? Drive to the Kaluga region to the village of Leo Tolstoy. there the monastery bakes many types of bread. Buy ONION and PLATE and your attitude towards the bread maker will change. YOU will really look at this business ... and maybe even eating bread from your oven will become disgusting for YOU ... yes ... yes ... yes ...

Laying out a sound sample isn't hard. Only meaning? How to set the sound level when listening?)
Compare bread from x. with the factory stupid. How they bring unbaked bread to the supermarket and bake it there ... well, google it. Or leave the store bread on the table overnight. By morning, nails can be hammered in.
And as for the Kaluga region, well, maybe they bake good bread there. Only now it will be a little expensive to drive a thousand miles for it)
Or so :)

[ZAJIGAEM8]

ZAJIGAEM8
I had a bakery nearby. And the baker was wonderful there. But he went bankrupt, could not compete with cheap bread. But a bad oven did not want, a decent person.
If you calculate the cost of the ingredients included in the h. and the cost of those that are used at the bakery, then due to lower quality and cheaper ones, the bakery will benefit in terms of cost. Well, even salt is not reported there)
Therefore, initially bread in x. the item is of higher quality, but also more expensive.
Everyone chooses their own path.

[bread baking factories]

I say again: whoever does not like the sound, let them post a sample of this very sound, and everyone who cares about this issue will clearly buy or not.
If you do not like the sound, this is your own business, but agitate and convince others of this is nonsense!
There is only one major factor in all this fuss with a bread maker and baking different types of bread - the taste of the bread.If you bake bread strictly according to the recipes from the booklets, then absolutely any bread machine will taste sour raw meat, although in appearance you can say that the bread is baked. The type of bread is always awesome, but the taste is not ... Here they post a photo of the bread, as if the photo can be eaten! Lay out the dispenser sound sample. This will really be useful, and from the pictures of loaves is one putol. I've seen enough pictures and bought a stove, and only after the 5th-7th time it started to look like delicious bread. Here, no one is talking about this. You have to be smarter! And we must also admit that it is not possible to make bread tastier than a good factory one. Or maybe someone has never tasted delicious factory bread? Drive to the Kaluga region to the village of Leo Tolstoy. there the monastery bakes many types of bread. Buy ONION and PLATE and your attitude towards the bread maker will change. YOU will really look at this business ... and maybe even eating bread from your oven will become disgusting for YOU ... yes ... yes ... yes ...

Something you completely confused everyone ... or I don't understand something ... And where in the monasteries bread baking factories? !!! For a long life, to be honest, generally baking factories have not met. Bread factories - yes. Regarding the taste of bread from a bread machine - after my bread, shop, even at my work, as it is not very well received. I bake strictly from booklets, I also use recipes and those that are posted here, and there are many very good recipes on the Internet.
And in my opinion, it is not entirely correct to compare monastery baked goods with bakery products. These are completely different things. Another recipe, everything is different, and the bread is baked with the blessing of the abbot. We love the monastery bakery very much, it really surpasses the bakery and the bakery that many bakeries offer. I have never got cakes better than what I once bought in a church shop. But from my bread machine, after this baking, it is not at all disgusting for me to eat bread.
And I, as a carrier of the virus, knocked out the girl from work - they bought a bread maker, and categorically do not look in the direction of the store. And the boy from work said that we urgently need to buy a bread maker, because if there is bread, then let it be BREAD, and not something incomprehensible, made from something incomprehensible.
Bake, change flour, yeast, sugar is the same and your bread will certainly be much tastier than from the store. I mainly use general-purpose flour "Makarna", sea salt, and unrefined cane sugar, the yeast is different, but I like "Vkusnoteka". Maybe this information is useful to you. Good luck with your bread.

If you do not like the sound, this is your own business, but agitate and convince others of this is nonsense!

Verbal warning. Such a tone is unacceptable for us.

Well, here, as always, I missed the most interesting ...

I bought this very machine, so I will try it today.
Question: Do you need to wash it for the first time after unpacking it? If so, how and how? And in general, if you wash after a greasy dough, then with what? Fairy can you?

[Hommit]

Hommit, The bucket is usually washed like dishes. Fairies are allowed. No abrasives. KP itself with a damp cloth, without extremism.

like dishes.

Well, there seems to be no way to fill in from below, no?

and one more thing: there is a spoon in the kit, but only it is somehow strange ... is it okay to use it in recipes or is it better than an ordinary iron one?

and one more thing: there is a spoon in the kit, but only it is somehow strange ... is it okay to use it in recipes or is it better than an ordinary iron one?

A wonderful spoon. I use it. And a measured glass too (for liquid). I only weigh flour and other nuts and raisins on the scales.

[Hommit]

Hommit, Bottom can not be poured, washed inside the bucket.

First pancakebread:

It seems not lumpy (the photo did not work out very well (()
Why does it take so long to cool down

I filled up the dried plant according to 1 recipe (size M), filled it with water - it didn’t seem to be dusty. The dispenser really clicks quite loudly. It also interferes, I would not say that it is quiet, but I did not hear it from other stoves - I'm afraid to imagine what is loud!

True, some anxiety was added - when he was disturbed, sometimes the bun was driven into a corner, and when the stove tried to pull it out, it began to creak and moan plaintively. It's not very good, right (somewhere in one of the neighboring topics was)? And then I'm afraid to make big bread now
(Or is it possible that the kolobok was just small, and the big one simply "won't fit" into the corner, remaining on the shaft, and the problem will disappear by itself?)

PS: Oh, and more. Does the heating itself work for her after the end of the program or do you need to put something? It is not clear on the display ... Otherwise, it beeps without stopping until you take out the bread.

[Maramashka]

Maramashka
The yeast dispenser shoots 4 times, quite loudly. For nuts and raisins, quiet.

Can I do something so that the dispenser does not shoot at all? can not put yeast in it? or will it still shoot ??

It doesn't matter if you put the yeast in or not. The dispenser will work anyway.
To reduce the noise, I think in theory it is possible to replace the plastic valve of the dispenser with a rubber one.
The mechanism itself is noisy there. But if the yeast dispenser is not needed at all, then it can be turned off, although for this you have to disassemble the lid where it is located, which will probably entail a violation of the warranty.
Although, the yeast dispenser is a handy thing when putting on a delayed start.
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I tried "Fast mode", there cooking time is 2 hours.
Outcome:
appearance is excellent
baked-excellent
weight 916 g., if you cook for 4 hours with the same settings, then there weight is 886 g
the taste is not for everybody (I liked it) due to the fact that there is more moisture, a little tough or something)
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Only a guess so far, but drew attention to this situation.
If squeaks when mixing. Rearrange the bucket and make a mark (I put a piece from the match into the slot of the bucket handle) and then put the bucket in this position.
As an assumption, grinding is in progress and it will be better if it is at the same position of the bucket.
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Well, I will add)
In the instructions for the stove, there is a table of how long each process takes. Therefore, you will know when the dispenser will work after starting the stove.

Hello! I choose a bread maker. Please tell me what is the maximum weight of a loaf of SD-ZB2512KTS and Panasonic SD-ZB2502BTS. The fact is that on the Eldorado website the maximum baking weight is indicated for the SD-ZB2512KTS model - 1250g, and on the mvideo website for the same model - 1000g. Whom to believe?