* Anyuta *
Quote: Chamomile1
* Anyuta *, why, I listened to the advice of members of the forum and ordered Mystery.

Olga, here we are not talking about models, but about the advantages / disadvantages of washing and bag vacuum cleaners ...
Arbena
Quote: Bijou
Sometimes people just start looking at things a little wider than they used to. Like according to Prutkov - "not because our concepts are weak, but because these things are not [not included until now] in the circle of our concepts."
Well, yes, you just learn a lot of new things, it is somewhere deposited in the head and, if necessary, information appears.
Fields
Quote: Bijou
Expensive and high-quality synthetics with a filtration level of the hepa 10 class cannot tear, and a penny piece of paper can easily.
What does it mean, expensive and high quality? Is this what comes with the vacuum cleaner? Which should be shaken like a carpet and then go to the shower to wash? You will be covered in dust. I saw only paper ones on sale. Disposable.
Admin
I jokingly call it "get hooked on igloo bag "that you need to constantly buy and buy and spend money from now on and forever, as long as the vacuum cleaner is available. And besides, it may turn out that the bags were not found, they do not fit the vacuum cleaner, they are not on sale, not in production, in the city and so on more ... I drove myself once

I have been using a cyclone for a long time (electrolux, two dysons, including a dyson broom), it is very convenient, I cleaned it, collected the dust and debris in a flask and immediately dumped it into a bucket, occasionally washed the flask - and OK! Order! And there is no need to store garbage in bags for six months in a vacuum cleaner! And the packages are "paid" from now on and forever, that is, replaced by a permanent cyclone flask

I liked Hewley very much from water vacuum cleaners, very strong, practical, easy to operate, easy and quick to clean

But, this is my opinion and only
Fields
Thank you. Admin I have one ardor. Electrosila, not to be confused with Electrolux. With bags. While you put on the bag, it's a miracle if you don't tear it. And on sale .... The same just can not be found. But it works and it's a pity to throw it out.
And how much are synthetic bags that do not tear and detain everything?
lega
Quote: Fields
I have one ardor. Electrosila,
Paul., only you will have to find an option that suits you. There are no ideal vacuum cleaners, all options have their advantages and disadvantages.
1) Vacuum cleaner with bags. On the plus side, it's always ready to go, just plug it in. The bags are easily replaced without any dust. (I don’t consider your old Electrosila) On the downside - you need to buy bags regularly. Bags are different in quality and cost - from 200 rubles to 870 (the maximum that I found 🔗). The consumption of bags is different for everyone, depending on the area harvested, on the composition of the family, the presence of animals. Branded bags for my Miele vacuum cleaner cost 600 rubles 4 pieces, I have enough for a year at least, and sometimes even longer. You can put cheaper bags, they also fit well and do not tear. Another minus of dust with bags is the smell. If you do not often change bags, then there is a not very pleasant smell when the vacuum cleaner is in operation (a non-working vacuum cleaner does not emit a smell). It is instantly ventilated, it does not bother me in any way, because everything is always open, even in winter. But people are different and for some this smell can be a serious drawback. Another disadvantage is the decrease in suction power as the filter fills.

2) Vacuum cleaners with aquafilter. On the plus side, there is no need to buy bags, so additional costs can be ignored. There is no unpleasant smell when working. The suction power is always constant. On the downside - the vacuum cleaner itself needs your extra efforts. Pour water into the filter, wash after finishing work, dry.With washing vacuum cleaners, you still have to assemble and disassemble different tubes, then wash all these tubes and hoses, dry them again, etc. For some, these are trifles, but for someone it annoys. Personally, I took Thomas's washing machine from a friend to determine my preferences. I realized for myself that it is better to have two - a classic one for constant cleaning, and a washing one for general cleaning, that is, once or twice a year. (If you calculate the cost of calling a dry cleaner at home, then this vacuum cleaner will also pay off, and I can find a place to store it, although I don't like unnecessary things.)

3) Cyclonic vacuum cleaners.

I wrote, wrote ... but I don't have any personal experience about cyclonic dust. I got into the internet and there is a very good article about all the pros and cons of each option. Read, choose: 🔗

Which vacuum cleaner to buy?

1. Classic vacuum cleaners with a bag.
Classical vacuum cleaners appeared more than half a century ago. Since then, they have become much more perfect both in terms of construction and design, and in terms of performance (noise, filtration quality, service life, ease of use ...). An important role in the development of classic vacuum cleaners was played by the improvement of dust collectors and other filters used in these vacuum cleaners. Also, vacuum cleaners of the classic scheme have acquired many additional functions (Cleaning spilled liquids; Wet cleaning with shampoo; Steam cleaning; Window cleaning; Knocking out the surfaces to be cleaned; Combing out the surfaces to be cleaned ...). The main pros and cons of a bag vacuum cleaner are as follows:

Benefits:
+ The design of classic vacuum cleaners is known to everyone, which makes the use and maintenance of the vacuum cleaner easy.
+ Depending on the quantity and quality of filters in the vacuum cleaner, you can choose a vacuum cleaner that suits you in terms of filtration quality.
+ The vacuum cleaner is always ready to work. Unlike other types of vacuum cleaners, no additional actions are required before and after cleaning the premises (water filling, rinsing, drying, brushing ...).
+ For each model of vacuum cleaner, you can choose any type of dust collector (paper 1-layer, paper 2-layer, durable synthetic 1, 2 or 3-layer ...), which will allow you to achieve the characteristics of the entire vacuum cleaner you need.
+ In the temporary absence of replaceable dust collectors, you can use a textile - reusable bag.
+ Simple and hygienic bag replacement (once every 1 ... 2 months).
+ A wide range of prices for classic vacuum cleaners from 40 USD to 1000 USD for any wallet and for any task.

Disadvantages:
--- Requires replacing the filled bag / dust container with a new one. But considering the cost of replacement dust bags, the cost of replacing the bag will be about 1 USD (ONE $) in 1 ... 2 months. Therefore, this point of "disadvantages" can rather be attributed to advantages.
--- Cleaning a textile, reusable vacuum cleaner bag is not a hygienic and unpleasant procedure.
--- As the bag becomes clogged, the suction power of the vacuum cleaner decreases. Replaceable dust bags made of 3-layer synthetic material are less susceptible to this phenomenon. When using them, the drop in the suction power is practically not noticeable, which allows you to use one bag 1.5 ... 2 times longer than a paper one.
--- The "weak point" of classic vacuum cleaners is bags / dust collectors. They are produced by many different manufacturers, both abroad and in Ukraine. Cheap and low-quality dust collectors can present unpleasant surprises in the form of: dust transmission due to poor-quality filter material, small cuts due to sharp debris and, accordingly, dust leakage, rupture from pressure differences or moisture ingress, unpleasant odor due to the vital activity of microorganisms inside the bag. .. Therefore, the purchase of new bags / dust collectors should be treated very carefully.
--- It is difficult to navigate the variety of consumables for classic vacuum cleaners.
--- On the shelves of supermarkets, there are usually "consumables" for sale only for common models of vacuum cleaners. Finding dust collectors for rare models of vacuum cleaners turns into a difficult task.

Which vacuum cleaner to buy?

2. Vacuum cleaners with AQUAFILTER.

Initially for hospitals, special.factories, laboratories ... industrial plants have been developed for high-quality air purification using water. In them, the dust was captured by passing through a water suspension, sprayed by several nozzles, and then through a whirlpool of running water. These installations were large and expensive. In the future, they decided to reduce and simplify them to the level of household vacuum cleaners. Of course, this led to a deterioration in filtration characteristics and the appearance of a number of other inconveniences in operation. Unfortunately, vacuum cleaners with an aquafilter, especially low-cost models, show more and more drawbacks during operation, which leads to a gradual fading away of buyers' interest in this type of vacuum cleaners that use water filtration. The main advantages and disadvantages of a vacuum cleaner with an aquafilter are given below.

Which vacuum cleaner to buy?

Benefits:

+ High-quality and convincing advertising. Everyone will think that you are keeping up with the times and have bought an "advanced" vacuum cleaner.
+ Does not require the purchase of bags (savings will be US $ 1 in 1 ... 2 months).
+ Well retains WET or WATER-DISSOLVED debris.
+ Moisturizes and refreshes the air in the room (unless, of course, "problem" garbage is removed).

Disadvantages:

--- Does not trap debris NOT WET in water (particles with water-repellent properties: oily wool, feathers of waterfowl, trimmings of fabrics with water-repellent impregnation, shavings and trimmings of polymer, plastic and other synthetic materials ...). This leads to poor filtration quality and rapid clogging of other filters of the vacuum cleaner.
--- Does not trap dust inside air bubbles. When the air bubbles burst, the dusty air inside the air bubbles leaves the water without being filtered.
--- Due to the fast air flow, water evaporates, its level decreases. A decrease in the water level below the permissible level leads to the fact that dusty air is not cleaned at all.
--- Due to the ingress of large amounts of debris (for example, during construction repairs), the water level rises, resulting in splashing and water leakage from the vacuum cleaner. To avoid a decrease or increase in the water level and clogging of filters, manufacturers recommend refilling or replacing 2 ... 5 times per 10 square meters of cleaned area - this is very inconvenient, especially if the water supply and sewerage system are removed from the cleaning site (private house, hotels, offices, warehouses, production facilities ...)
--- When moving over obstacles (thresholds, thick carpets, slippers, vacuum cleaner cord ...), as well as when hitting furniture and jerking the hose, the water level in the tank fluctuates. This results in splashing and water leakage from the vacuum cleaner.
--- Warm, humid air and a large amount of organic debris inside the aquafilter are an excellent environment for the growth and reproduction of bacteria, fungi and mold. Especially bacteria, mold and mildew love to live in foam and HEPA filters. When cleaning with such a vacuum cleaner, the entire apartment is "seeding" with spores of these microorganisms.
--- Do not let cleaning agents and detergents enter the water tank. This leads to strong foaming, splashing and water leakage from the vacuum cleaner. To avoid this, an antifoam additive is needed to be added to the aquafilter reservoir. The cost of such an additive is commensurate with the cost of conventional paper bags / dust collectors. At the same time, the already small savings from the absence of bags are reduced to nothing.
--- After cleaning, thorough cleaning of all parts and filters that come into contact with dirty water is required. Often this process takes more time than cleaning the room itself, especially when you need to quickly clean a small area.
--- To prevent an unpleasant smell from appearing, all the parts must be dried, and it is advisable to store the vacuum cleaner disassembled, which takes up a lot of space in the apartment.
--- Since it is recommended to store the AQUA vacuum cleaner disassembled, it is necessary to spend time assembling it before cleaning.
--- Drops and splashes of dirty water will quickly clog the filters behind the aquafilter. Therefore, in AQUA - vacuum cleaners, protective / additional filters (foam cones, foam rubber flat filters, synthetic "accordions", catching foam cubes, HEPA filters ...) fail rather quickly. The high cost of these filters (10 ... 100 USD) and their absence on sale leads to the fact that the operation of this vacuum cleaner is terminated.
--- All of the above disadvantages especially apply to AQUA - vacuum cleaners with small dimensions, little-known firms and, accordingly, with a low price (200 ... 300 USD).
--- Vacuum cleaners, in which at least somehow the above problems are solved, usually have a complex design and, accordingly, large dimensions, as a result, high cost (400 ... 1000 USD).
--- AQUA - vacuum cleaners with large dimensions are not convenient to use (large heavy weight, poor maneuverability between furniture, take up a lot of storage space, vacuum cleaners with a large body height are very prone to overturning with all the ensuing consequences ...). Usually, the owners of such vacuum cleaners use them only for general cleaning, and for solving daily, small and simple tasks they buy a second additional vacuum cleaner of the classic scheme with a bag - small and not expensive.

Some brands / manufacturers of vacuum cleaners, knowing that sooner or later, the disadvantages of aqua filtration will appear during operation, retain the possibility of using bags / dust collectors in some models of vacuum cleaners. The design of such "double" vacuum cleaners allows you to choose which filtration method is better to use: filtration through water or dry filtration using a bag / dust collector.

Which vacuum cleaner to buy?

3. Bagless CONTAINER vacuum cleaners (cyclone vacuum cleaners).

Chinese engineers have long wanted to simplify engineer Dyson's invention, make his cyclone vacuum cleaner, and have worked hard to create a bagless vacuum cleaner for a small amount of money. This was insisted on by retailers who did not want to deal with a wide and constantly changing range of dust collectors. And many buyers, tired of searching for the right dust collector, increasingly turned their attention to bagless vacuum cleaners. European manufacturers of vacuum cleaners did not want to develop and produce vacuum cleaners of this type for a long time, knowing that container vacuum cleaners have a lot of disadvantages, but the desire to be present on the market of bagless vacuum cleaners prevailed. European consumers have no problem buying bags / dust collectors and prefer classic vacuum cleaners (with bags) that are more hygienic in care and use, therefore bagless container vacuum cleaners are mainly sold in developing countries.
Just four years ago, cyclonic vacuum cleaners seemed to be the pinnacle of engineering. They were bought without thinking about the hidden shortcomings of these vacuum cleaners, cyclonic vacuum cleaners were just fashionable, having a cyclonic vacuum cleaner in your house meant that you are a modern person using new technologies, and even saving on bags ... But over the years of operation with cyclonic vacuum cleaners there were more disadvantages than advantages. More and more owners of cyclonic vacuum cleaners are annoyed by the poor degree of air purification, noise, inevitable contact with dust when cleaning the vacuum cleaner, the constant need to clean all filters and the inability to find these filters on sale. All this leads to the fact that the fashion for cyclonic vacuum cleaners and the former excitement of users pass away, and the cyclone vacuum cleaners themselves gradually migrate from apartments to storage in garages, balconies, dachas or are simply thrown away. Unfortunately, these vacuum cleaners have a number of disadvantages that cannot be constructively solved, which determines their main advantages and disadvantages:

Benefits:

+ High-quality and convincing advertising. Everyone will think that you are keeping up with the times and have bought an "advanced" vacuum cleaner - "cyclone".
+ Does not require the purchase of bags (savings of US $ 1 in 1 ... 2 months).
+ Well cleans the air from heavy dust particles, which lend themselves well to centrifugal force when a vortex - cyclone rotates.
+ As the container fills, the suction power does not drop. (It is only true if the filters in front of the motor and after the motor of the vacuum cleaner are not clogged. But in practice these filters clog up very quickly).

Disadvantages:

--- The centrifugal force has little effect on light or very long dust particles (long hair, threads, pollen, fluff, feathers ...). Therefore, there is a rapid clogging of protective / additional filters (synthetic cones, foam rubber flat filters, synthetic "accordions", "flasks", "cups", HEPA filters, nylon mesh ...).
--- All vacuum cleaner owners have noticed that vacuum cleaners can build up static electricity and sometimes touching the vacuum cleaner can be quite painful. Cyclone vacuum cleaners are undoubtedly the record holders for static accumulation. It is in them that numerous vortex air currents electrostatically charge the plastic parts of the vacuum cleaner. It is cyclonic vacuum cleaners that can literally shock the person who touches them with a discharge of static electricity.
--- During the operation of the vacuum cleaner, there are many moments when the vortex is not formed (turning on / starting the vacuum cleaner, turning off the vacuum cleaner, a large mass of debris, accidental blocking of the air flow: accidental kinking of the hose or sucking the brush to the curtain, rug, clothes ...). An unstable and not formed vortex cannot normally clean the air from dust, and the protective / additional filters quickly become clogged.
--- Most cyclone vacuum cleaners do not have power regulation. This is done specifically so that vortices / cyclones, designed for an air flow of a certain speed, do not shift, do not collapse, do not reduce their rotation speed ... when the power regulator of the electric motor decreases. But if the stability of the operation of vortices / cyclones is ensured by simply removing the power control device from the design of the cyclone vacuum cleaner, then no one will be able to secure the stable operation of vortices / cyclones from an accidental and sharp decrease in the air flow rate. A sharp decrease in the air flow rate in the hose occurs quite often, and most importantly unexpectedly, for example, we all sometimes found ourselves in situations where the hose accidentally kinks / twists or when a curtain, slippers, a rug, a children's toy sticks to the brush by accident ... an unstable, destroyed or displaced vortex cannot normally clean the air from dust, in addition to this, part of the dust already accumulated in the container can move from the container to the filters located behind the container, and clogging occurs quickly (sometimes in a few minutes or even seconds) protective / additional filters.
--- Clogging of the protective / additional filters leads to a sharp drop in the suction force of the vacuum cleaner, the noise of the motor, overheating of the motor, wear and, accordingly, the replacement of all filters of the vacuum cleaner.
--- Large, hard and heavy dust particles constantly rotating and hitting the walls of the container make a lot of noise and quickly scratch the transparent walls of the container. Scratched, frosted sides of the container make it difficult to control the amount of debris inside it and the condition of the main filters.
--- After each cleaning (and sometimes several times during cleaning), cleaning of protective / additional filters is required (synthetic cones, foam rubber flat filters, synthetic "accordions", "flasks", "cups", HEPA filters, nylon nets ...) ... This procedure is not hygienic and unpleasant. With frequent cleaning, these filters do not maintain the service life established by the manufacturer (1 ... 2 years) and require replacement much earlier.
--- The high cost of protective / additional filters (20 ... 200 USD) and their absence on sale leads to the fact that the operation of this vacuum cleaner is terminated.
Which vacuum cleaner to buy?

Some brands / manufacturers of vacuum cleaners, knowing that sooner or later, the disadvantages of bagless vacuum cleaners will appear during operation, provide in the design of some models of vacuum cleaners the possibility of using classic bags / dust collectors. In such vacuum cleaners, you can choose which filtration method is better to use: filtration using vortices or classical filtration using a bag / dust collector.
Whether it is worth buying a cyclone bagless vacuum cleaner with a bulb, a vacuum cleaner with an aquafilter or a classic one is of course up to you. We hope the information in this article will help you decide on the choice of a new vacuum cleaner.
Happy shopping.

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Fields
lega, Thank you.
I have Bork at home. Both aqua and dry. Two different containers. We always use aqua. And there is a bag, one and reusable. Shook it out and again. In addition to the smell, various unwanted microorganisms develop in the bag. They feed on collected garbage and it is not a fact that during subsequent cleaning they do not enter the atmosphere of the room.
Arbena
Quote: lga
I have no personal experience about cyclonic dust. I got into the internet and there is a very good article about all the pros and cons of each option. Read, choose: 🔗
I have just experience about cyclonic, namely Dyson. Therefore, I see a number of inaccuracies in this article.
They write about all the cyclones in the heap, but they have different properties.
For example, Dysons do not need to constantly clean their filters, do not need to buy new ones (that is, their price does not matter), the suction power does not decrease, etc.
lega
Quote: Fields
And there is a bag, one and reusable. Shook it out and again.

I also had a reusable bag for Bosch (and there is, though there is no vacuum cleaner already). It's inconvenient with him - pour out the garbage, wash the bag ... fuu. Disposable is better!

Quote: Fields
I have Bork at home. Both aqua and dry. Two different containers.
So there are no paper bags for your dust. Here: and their price is very divine - 240 rubles
Bijou
Quote: Fields
What does it mean, expensive and high quality? Is this what comes with the vacuum cleaner? Which should be shaken like a carpet and then go to the shower to wash? You will be covered in dust.
Oh, well, some kind of nonsense ... There were no reusable bags for my Mila. Only thick removable synthetic multi-layer bags of 4.5 liters. A pack is enough for a year, before it cost 400-500 rubles. How much is it for a month? A bottle of beer?

Wise people, together with a vacuum cleaner, immediately bought 5-6 packs and, together with thousands for 12-15, ensured themselves a problem-free life for five years. We do not shake anything from the containers, we do not wash anything, we do not put napkins for foam rubber in container-cyclonic supposedly wasteless vacuum cleaners. Just once every three months we open the lid, pry on the ring of the white bag, take it out and, closed, put it in the trash bag. We put clean instead. And even a hap is not needed, because the bag does not allow dust to pass through - people sometimes check the compartment with a cotton swab, white.)))
Fields
In. The advertisement has already been sent. Is this normal?
🔗|% D0% 9F% D1% 8B% D0% BB% D0% B5% D1% 81% D0% BE% D1% 81% 2C +% D0% BF% D0% B0% D1% 80% D0% BA% D0% BE% D0% B2% D0% BA% D0% B0% 2C +% D0% B6% D0% B0% D0% BB% D1% 8E% D0% B7% D0% B8% 2C +% D0% BA% D0% B0% D0% BD% D1% 86% D0% B5% D0% BB% D1% 8F% D1% 80% D0% BA% D0%
lega
Quote: Fields
Is this normal?

There are 379 reviews, read and draw conclusions. 🔗
Bijou
Quote: lga
There are 379 reviews, read and draw conclusions



Fields, if you buy this miracle, I give free advice - on the foam rubber, which stands after the pot and performs the main filtering function, from the very first days, start putting some kind of napkin. Whether paper, fiber or viscose, you can figure it out on the spot. Otherwise, the lifespan of the vacuum cleaner will be limited by the lifespan of a piece of foam rubber, which sometimes needs to be washed twice in one cleaning.
Fields
Thank you Bijou, Let me kiss. I will probably buy an aquafilter.
Bijou
Fields, the person whose opinion I trust spoke well about some aquafilter from Phillips. Looking for the exact model name? The name "aquafilter" is not enough, it is necessary to use this business conveniently.And not all aquafilters are equally useful.))
Fields
Search. I trust Phillips. Until.
Thank you.
Marmura
By the way, I found a test comparing a separator vacuum cleaner with a conventional one.
Tell me, who used a dust extractor with a wet cleaning function? Does it even make sense to buy one? Isn't it easier to clean the floors with a rag?
Bijou
Fields, found it.))
Philips fc 8950.
Fields
Bijou, Thank you. I'll go and take a look.
Stirlitz
Marmura,
I have a Mia vacuum cleaner, and this is not an advertisement, but I have never regretted that I bought it. I do wet cleaning once a month. I buy carpet cleaner, spray foam. then I "wash it off" with a vacuum cleaner and clean water, every time I am amazed, the water is always black as machine oil. But clean very well and raises the nap. Dust has become noticeably less. there is almost none at all. If funds permit, buy, you will not regret it. One minus, it is large, I have no storage space, now it is in a box on the balcony, and for the winter it will be necessary for him to look for a place in the apartment, but I even resigned myself to this, since I really like the quality of cleaning.
Fields
I bought Philips ...
It seems normal, only it blows weakly. I howl a lot, but at the exit it blows around the edges.
There, on the side, below, under the buttons on and winding, a grill, behind it is additional. dry filter, so white, and behind it a piece of black foam rubber. As a result, air blows around the edges rather than out of the grate.
annnushka27
Tell me, has anyone heard of the Ergo EVC-3740 vacuum cleaner? Power 1400, not enough?
* Anyuta *
Quote: annnushka27
Power 1400, not enough?
Anyut, this is the power consumption, that is, how many kW the vacuum cleaner will "eat" from the socket - it actually does not say anything, but the value is quite small, or rather, an economical vacuum cleaner in terms of electrical consumption ...
but the power consumption has little effect on the value of the suction power - look for the value of the suction power. The bigger it is, the better ... It is desirable not less than 350 W, and even better 400 and more ...
annnushka27
Anyuta, Thank you. Yes, I understood. Only in the description there is no suction power. Where to watch it? Directly in your passport?
We looked after such a vacuum cleaner in the kindergarten in our store. So I'm looking for information.
* Anyuta *
Quote: annnushka27
Where to watch it? Directly in your passport?
I also looked in the Internet for information on it. Really. there are no such parameters in the internet. It is worth going to the store and right there and see: either on the box or in the passport.
Chamomile
annnushka27, ask to turn on the vacuum cleaner, if there is one in the store itself, and try what it can lift from the floor. Sucks hard or not. I bought my first dusty dust, it stuck to the floor so that it was torn off together with the seller.
annnushka27
Thanks everyone for the advice!
Bijou
Quote: Fields
I bought Philips ...
It seems normal, only it blows weakly. I howl a lot, but at the exit it blows around the edges.
So all water vacuum cleaners are not particularly powerful, it's an axiom. An acquaintance of mine managed to clean more or less normally by Thomas only after replacing the water with a bag. And cyclones too, their usual power is about equal to a half-clogged bag of a conventional vacuum cleaner, or even weaker.
Quote: Stirlitz
every time I am amazed, the water is always black as machine oil.
Damn ... Every time I run my washing machine a couple of times a year in a private house with a crowd of people and animals, I wonder why the water in my tank is just cloudy, and not "black like engine oil."
Fields
As I understand it, Philips does not have a bag.
julia_bb
I have a Karcher with disposable bags - I'm very happy with him
* Anyuta *
Quote: Bijou
why in my tank the water is just cloudy, and not "black as machine oil".

Lena, Helen, maybe you just constantly and efficiently clean the house?
But in general, seriously, in any case, the amount of dirt will depend on the frequency of cleaning and its quality ...
Here's a summer example for you: someone even in this heat cleans only once a week (including washing the floors in the same way), now I wash the floors every other day, or even every day, otherwise it is simply impossible to breathe in the house - and as a result, it is clear that the floors are not as dirty in a day as in a week - and this is all in the same private house with the doors constantly wide open and a crowd of children running barefoot, first in the yard, and then in the house ...
khanka
Binaton Newton bought a year ago
so far happy
great design and cleans well
now looked - in the region of 5000r worth

Which vacuum cleaner to buy?

highly recommend
IRRI
Quote: Bijou

And cyclones too, their usual power is about equal to a half-clogged bag of a conventional vacuum cleaner, or even weaker. Pancake...
Don't tell me, I have a Dyson, sucks like a beast and is clearly better than Samsung with mother-in-law's bags.
I have had Dyson for 3 years now, I can't get enough of it.
Its indisputable plus is the absence of the return emission of finely dispersed dust! Unfortunately, all vacuum cleaners with bags have it. Since I am allergic and asthmatic, it was very important for me. (and you can't fool me, I really feel this release, the scent of allergies and a strong allergy to dust)
For this reason, Dyson was bought.
The only thing: I don't shake out the vacuum cleaner, I can't, but my husband does this: he turns the vacuum cleaner container into a large garbage bag on the landing and everything seems to be no problem. Nothing flies.
There is no reverse emission of fine dust, and vacuum cleaners with an aqua filter had such a Karcher before Dyson, but I was so tired of jumping around him: wash, dry, etc., that now that Karcher lives with my mother.
IRRI
Quote: Admin


And there is no problem to shake out the garbage, put the flask in a large bag, pressed the button and all the good in the bag will appear.
Dyson's filters are very good, the power is also, there are services - what more could you want?
Exactly! And the absence of back emission of fine dust, which I wrote about above, is a very important point for allergy sufferers and families with small children.
It's just that Dysons are not cheap, but this is already a question of a different order.
Edera
A friend recently bought a Samsung SW17H90 washing machine from me. I am very dissatisfied with the quality. He says a lot of water pours on the floor and is of very poor quality. The Aquafilter is uncomfortable and hurts when you get it out. Abrasions appeared. The water supply hose is too short, and as a result, some of the water flows onto the floor before reaching the nozzle. Will change to Thomas. So the detergents are also different. Because of such analogs, detergents are scolded.
Stirlitz
Quote: * Annie *
But in general, seriously, in any case, the amount of dirt will depend on the frequency of cleaning and its quality ...
I disagree. I use a vacuum cleaner once a week, and when I pour out the water, it is black. Moreover, she asked a neighbor, we bought together, she has the same thing, the water is black. I have 2 people living in my apartment, there are no small children, I do the cleaning regularly, I wash my floor every other day, but I don’t understand how much dirt comes from (the water is always dirty) There is no dust in the apartment at all.
Fields
Stirlitz, standard of the Fuhrer. It's soot from the street. Wheel dust and other. How many wheels do cars wash in Moscow in one day? Lot. And all this settles on the head.
It's much cleaner outside the city.
* Anyuta *
Quote: Stirlitz
There is no dust in the apartment at all.

and you do not open windows at all?

Quote: Fields
It's much cleaner outside the city.

nothing cleaner ... I live in a private sector .. a street without asphalt, but covered with gravel .. all summer we suffer from dust - and this despite the fact that we open the windows only in the evening after sunset (at 9 pm), and before that, all the neighbors nearby sweep the street so that this dust is not from passing cars ...
annnushka27
Quote: * Annie *
nothing cleaner ... I live in the private sector .. a street without asphalt, but covered with gravel .. all summer we suffer from dust
Anyut, the same thing, just dreaming about crushed stone! We also can't buy a vacuum cleaner, the old one is completely "dying"
* Anyuta *
annnushka27, Anyut, and we have so much "dust" this year ... despite the fact that the windows were opened minimally this summer - because they put the condo and once again did not even allow the door to be opened ...
I generally keep quiet about the second floor (it is uninhabited) - it was possible to wash there every week as much as usual for the entire summer season of soap ... ... yesterday I wanted to put things in order there again (to wash the floors), but I felt bad , so on the weekend I will "clean up" the summer dust ...
annnushka27
Anyuta, but we do not have an air conditioner, so we close the windows only in the sun. Today there is a strong wind, you can paint on my white windowsills. In summer, dust, and in winter, dirt does not pass. ,
Fields
Quote: * Annie *
nothing cleaner ... I live in a private sector .. a street without asphalt, but covered with gravel ..all summer we are tormented by dust - and this is despite the fact that we open the windows only in the evening after sunset (at 9 pm), and before that all the neighbors nearby sweep the street so that this dust is not from passing cars ... : https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...ption=com_smf&topic=389.0
And in my Pskov region, even with the owls. authorities in all villages managed to asphalt roads.
And there is no dust, but in between - when you drive, you can't see the car coming from behind.
Olga VB
Girls, help out!
I was asked to buy a vacuum cleaner.
NOT washing
NO bags
WITHOUT water filter.
Is it something like a cyclone?
Needed with good suction power, not too bulky.
And since this is for a gift, I hope to keep within 6-8 sput.
What do you advise?
My husband was advised in the store Bort BSS-2400N or Kambrook ABV402 or VAX Power 6 (C89-P6N-H-E)
But I suspect this is just what they have available.
* Anyuta *
Quote: Fields
And in my Pskov region, even with the owls. authorities in all villages managed to asphalt roads.
and we have gas in our apartment .. and you?

I am glad for your villages and the Pskov region .... As a matter of fact, I absolutely do not care what you have in the village ... But all the neighbors crossed themselves, that our street is not asphalted, because the children sit quietly in the middle of the road and calmly play whatever they want, because all the riders drive along the next asphalt street. But there the neighbors are already grabbing their heads, because the speed bumps do not help - they only make a rumble, and the whole roadside is also dusty - so they feel more inconvenience than we do - you can't dry your clothes on the street, no windows open - even more dust flies from the roadside !!!!

And so - for information - I live in the area where the city administration lives, prosecutors and the like, so to speak, in the valley of the beggars - so they laid the asphalt for themselves - and because of the fence they cannot get out of the amount of transport ... so that we will somehow live in our "urban village" without asphalt - the children will have better knees - since everyone has jeeps and we can easily do without asphalt on them ...
* Anyuta *
Olga VB,
Olga, look carefully at the characteristics of these models ... Sweep away the board right away - there is no suction power ... The most powerful of them is Wax ...
But in fact, there is a sea of ​​cyclonic vacuum cleaners - from cyclonic vacuum cleaners I can still advise this model - LG V-C42202YHTR - there and the power is good ... you can also look at Samsung SC6890 - its price is from 5000 to 6500 - by the way, I would have looked closely at the Samsung - look at its characteristics:
dry cleaning
with cyclone filter
bagless dust collection
network operation
suction power 380 W
power consumption 2000 W
Fields
* Anyuta *, but I'm sorry for your children, that they have nowhere else to play, except in the middle of the road. Children will grow up, but the habit will remain. And this is dangerous.
And where did you get the dust if children play in the middle of the road?
Or are they among the cars passing by?
Bijou
Quote: IRRI
Its indisputable plus is the absence of the return emission of fine dust! Unfortunately, all vacuum cleaners with bags have it.
Yah? Is HEPA filtration of cyclonic type?
Almost all modern vacuum cleaners have a classic hepa filter at the exit, which ensures the quality of the outgoing air.
Quote: Olga VB
Is it something like a cyclone?
Needed with good suction power, not too bulky.
And since this is for a gift, I hope to keep within 6-8 sput.
What do you advise?
At a minimum, you need to look at a vacuum cleaner that has not one "pot", but several levels of cyclones. Yes, the Dysons clean the air normally, but there are probably five levels with cyclones. And each next one tries to clean up what the previous ones did not clean. That is, you yourself understand - the more cyclones we take away from the conventional Dyson, the dirtier the "purified" air will come out. And the pre-engine filter will have to filter the air from dust. Which usually consists of a piece of foam rubber and something else. And this dusty economy will have to be hand washed regularly. And often.In the most severe cases, people complain that one wash is not enough even for a complete cleaning - the foam rubber will be washed and waited until it dries - you cannot vacuum with a wet one. And with a clogged filter, the vacuum cleaner makes noise, but does not pull.

Particularly advanced users manage to install a piece of a good bag for other vacuum cleaners instead of this good.))) And then they just change it. Maybe there is a special convenience and economy in this - I don't know.

About Wax, I happened to hear that the design is flimsy, so I can recommend something like Samsung from series 88 ** from a cheaper one (there are two levels of simple cyclones), and from a more expensive Electrolux Ultracaptik (it seems so) - you can't confuse it, there is the sides of the main flask are two rows of orange cyclones.
* Anyuta *
Quote: Fields
* Anyuta *, but I'm sorry for your children that they have nowhere else to play, except in the middle of the road. Children will grow up, but the habit will remain. And this is dangerous.
And where did you get the dust if children play in the middle of the road?
Or are they among the cars passing by?


no comment - have pity on your grandchildren who DO NOT live next to the river and forest ...
Fields
Not. I don’t argue. I just can't understand the logic.
And why do you need a river and a forest, madam, if children play on the road.
Lady di
Oh, Fields and Anyuta, they've made such a terrible topic ... asphalt is not asphalt ... brrr ... we are discussing dust particles ...
I've been pondering for a very long time about the choice of a vacuum cleaner ... I stopped at a washing Zemler ... I won the warranty at 4 years ... the water filter is very happy ... you can immediately see how dirty the apartment is ... before I had to vacuum every day ... and now less often ... 2-3 times a week. and the water is almost clear ... only my hair is long and the cat's hair is mostly ... fi ...
happy with power ... but a bulky infection ...

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