Alenka212
Levreta thanks for the tip. I'll keep it on mind.
Levreta
Quote: * Annie *


here a little forgot...
and then I washed the container, washed all the bells and whistles from the container, plus washed the one where I poured all this dirt and plus washed the thing in which I washed the container with the bells and whistles ... that is, plus another 15 minutes in the first place or 10 minutes after you get used to all this ...
You're exaggerating too much. Well, look. Good not detergent. Do you wash the floors at home? Surely you pour water into a bucket, bend over to wash the floors (well, maybe you have a mop). All this also needs to be washed, and a bucket and a rag. And it will take exactly the same amount of time as washing the detergent. People choose themselves whether to wash with their hands or with a professional vacuum cleaner. And the choice will definitely not be in favor of the rag. In addition, many detergents are also dry at the same time. You can just vacuum them and wash the room a couple of three times. Already 2-3 times a month no one will break. The question is, if laziness is removed, then you can think of a bunch of reasons not to do this.
Levreta
Quote: Melanyushka

Anyuta, you probably wrote about the washing vacuum cleaner, but in a vacuum cleaner with an aquafilter, everything about everything is really no more than 5 minutes. I have a Samsung 9480 and every time you use a vacuum cleaner, you only need to wash the aquafilter there, and even then not so much wash as just rinse. I have it for daily cleaning and it doesn’t collect a lot of dirt, so just pour out the water and rinse the container itself, there’s nothing inside it that can be washed every time. The HEPA filter is also mine, but not daily, and the HEPA filter should be cleaned in any vacuum cleaner.
Those people who have not tried and never dealt with such vacuum cleaners in their practice can speculate based only on their ideas about the vacuum cleaner. In fact, it is much more convenient than, say, the same dust bags.
* Anyuta *
Quote: Levreta

Those people who have not tried and never dealt with such vacuum cleaners in their practice can speculate based only on their ideas about the vacuum cleaner. In fact, it is much more convenient than, say, the same dust bags.

Which vacuum cleaner to buy?
this is so - for clarity and for further discussions about the presence / absence of washing vacuum cleaners for your opponents ......
Dear or respected Levreta !!!!
Washing the floor bucket is one thing, but washing all the bells and whistles for a vacuum cleaner is COMPLETELY OTHER!!!!! If you have washing vacuum cleaner, then you will understand what I mean ... For your information ... from an ordinary bucket for the floor will not stink, God forbid, not with dried or poorly dried filters - this is at least ...
Quote: Levreta

People choose themselves whether to wash with their hands or with a professional vacuum cleaner. And the choice will definitely not be in favor of the rag.
And more .... NEVER JUDGE ON YOURSELF !!!!! At first, professional vacuum cleaner - this pleasure is not cheap and not everyone is able to afford to buy it (and about "cheap credit show-offs" we have discussed the topic more than once on this forum and in other devices) ... Secondly, if it is more convenient for you to "wash" floors with a vacuum cleaner - this does not mean that it is more convenient for everyone to do so ... And thirdly, after reading this forum, you can find that, like me, some of the inhabitants of such a beautiful place have long been putting things in order (incl. and wash the floors) with the MOST GREAT (and very affordable) inventions called STEAM GENERATOR ....


mowgli
Discussion about nothing ... you need to buy, live with the thing in order to understand it later you convenient ... But I didn't fuse with the steam generator, it's more convenient for me to wash the floor with my Hyulechka, but my daughter with a mop, so ... somehow
Alenka212
Yes, with cleanliness on the sexual front is somehow problematic.I now, living in a private house, have a quick husband, a little daughter and a fluffy cat. Has acquired almost the entire arsenal. Now Thomas very rarely wash the floor, more often the carpet and sofa. A steam generator more often, but only on weekends, when I have a day of struggle for cleanliness (once I turned it on, I need to steam it here and there). And every day, alternately, I collect garbage with vertical dust, or I go through the floor with a mop with a microfiber nozzle. Hopefully my next dream is the robot vacuum cleaner will be in demand more often.
vatruska
People, can you tell me a device - a small vacuum cleaner (such as a car) but more powerful? Dyson and Wax (washing) live at home. But there is also a plump cat. You need something like a quick pick, collected the fluff and filler, and then walked across the floor with a rag - I have the cheapest microfiber mop from China with spinning and then you can't peel the wet fluff from it. I looked at what seems to be an electrolux 3103 rapid, but they write that it is very low-power and in a year the battery will die, and it is at a price as if not more expensive than the vacuum cleaner itself.
Melanyushka
vatruska, here the girls in the topic about electric brooms recommended a small Mystery MVC-1115, just for such needs - I quickly walked across the floor, chairs, armchairs ..., and then you can immediately wipe the floors. It is of the car type, there are three nozzles in the kit, you can put a handle and it will be convenient to carry it on the floor, powerful enough, collects everything for the top five with a plus. I've had it for a week now - I'm not overjoyed! Go to the topic on electric brooms, you can read more there. It is battery free, mains powered and inexpensive!
Alenka212
vatruska I just bought one for myself (to interrupt the robot). Sucks like a beast. With the wire I quickly adapted. True, cyclonic filter handles need to be cleaned and washed sometimes. And of course there is no nero filter. But it is more convenient for me than to drag Thomas for daily cleaning. I will air the room once more. Fluff from a cat, garbage, sand from the floor collects well. It is more difficult with the carpet, since the dust brush is not turbo: I have a disgusting synthetic one, but Thomas does not completely tear off the cat fluff from him (I want to buy a turbo brush for him). You decide. Here's a difficult question: we manage with the dishes with one device, bought a dishwasher and sleep well, and here how many spears are broken ...
vatruska
Thank you!
Alenka, it seems to me that turbo brushes are all garbage. I had this in Rovent - I didn't notice much of a difference. Dyson is good, every week my whole flask is full, but every day you don't get out of it.
* Anyuta *
Quote: mowgli

Discussion about nothing ... you need to buy, live with the thing in order to understand it later you convenient ... But it didn't work out with the steam generator, it's more convenient for me to wash the floor with my Hyulechka, but for my daughter with a mop, so ... something like that

So it is more convenient for me to wash with a mop - but only the first floor. because we actually live there ... .... but for some reason the second floor is easier either by Thomas or PG, but since we rarely go up there. then the floors there, respectively, are not washed daily ...

Quote: Alyonka212

Now Thomas very rarely wash the floor, more often the carpet and sofa. A steam generator more often, but only on weekends, when I have a day of struggle for cleanliness (once I turned it on, I need to steam it here and there). And every day, alternately, I collect garbage with vertical dust, or I go through the floor with a mop with a microfiber nozzle. I hope my next dream is a robot vacuum cleaner will be in demand more often.


Alain, I also "pushed Thomas aside", and especially after buying a large steam generator ... Now he only takes a place for me .... .. BUT .... in 2-3 weeks we will have a bath ready .. more precisely, there is not a bathhouse, but a whole "complex" - well, in short, a whole separate house ... I think that Thomas will be evicted there ... although dad still doesn't know about it - that now he will have to look for 1 sq. m. for this "monster" ...
Alenka212
I again wanted something from this topic, an electric broom + a steam mover 2 in 1 (like Bisela or Kromax 605) .....
Levreta
* Anyuta *, so as not to stink, you just need to remember to rinse the aquafilter and that's it, there will be no smell. Trust me.
Levreta
Quote: * Annie *


If it is more convenient for you to "wash" the floors with a vacuum cleaner, this does not mean that it is more convenient for everyone to do this ...
I totally agree. To each his own, I just expressed my opinion. Everyone has different apartments and different types of flooring.
* Anyuta *
Quote: Levreta

* Anyuta *, so as not to stink, you just need to remember to rinse the aquafilter and that's it, there will be no smell. Trust me.

AGAIN..............

Quote: Levreta

She poured water, poured a new one, and that's all.
Quote: * Annie *


here a little forgot...
and then I washed the container, washed all the bells and whistles from the container, plus washed the one where I poured all this dirt and plus washed the thing in which I washed the container with the bells and whistles ... that is, plus another 15 minutes in the first place or 10 minutes after you get used to all this ...

PySy: you can personally with you stop any discussion of vacuum cleaners ??? Good luck in further choice ....
Alenka212
Girls not: girl_cray: quarrel ...
Perhaps the cleaning system after work differs in different washing vacuum cleaners. It is about Thomas that they say that he is confusing in this sense. I don't remember which ones, but I read that it's easier for people to do all this.
* Anyuta *
Quote: Alyonka212

Girls not: girl_cray: quarrel ...
Perhaps the cleaning system after work differs in different washing vacuum cleaners. It is about Thomas that they say that he is confusing in this sense. I don't remember which ones, but I read that it's easier for people to do all this.

in Zelmer, the construction of the "basket" is definitely simpler ...
Levreta
Quote: Alyonka212

Girls not: girl_cray: quarrel ...
Perhaps the cleaning system after work differs in different washing vacuum cleaners. It is about Thomas that they say that he is confusing in this sense. I don't remember which ones, but I read that it's easier for people to do all this.
Perhaps we are talking about some kind of "not new" washing vacuum cleaner. After wet cleaning, you really need to wash it. But I wrote not about the tank with the washing liquid and not about the tubes, but about the aquafilter. I used it personally and I assure you to drain the water and pour in a new one, it's like pouring water into a kettle. Anyuta is just confusing something.
Levreta
Quote: * Annie *

in Zelmer, the construction of the "basket" is definitely simpler ...
You write about which model you are writing. And then Zelmer's basket is simpler, this is not an argument. The same Tomas also have different aquafilters.
Aygul
Quote: Levreta

But I wrote not about the tank with the washing liquid and not about the tubes, but about the aquafilter. I used it personally and I assure you to drain the water and pour a new one, it's like pouring water into a kettle.
Is the water in the aquafilter clean? well, or a little dusty? that you just poured and poured a new one?
I do not have a washing machine, but simply with an aquafilter, so there is so much dirt - and dust, sand, and hair (depending on the place of work) that it simply cannot be drained, I first pull out the "balls" of dirt, then I still need to rinse ... Of course, this is not long, especially when there is experience, but I can't say everything is ready and ready!
* Anyuta *
Quote: Levreta

You write about which model you are writing. And then Zelmer's basket is simpler, this is not an argument. The same Tomas also have different aquafilters.

Quote: * Annie *

AGAIN..............
PySy: you can personally with you stop any discussion of vacuum cleaners ??? Good luck in further choice ....
Levreta
Quote: Aygul

Is the water in the aquafilter clean? well, or a little dusty? that you just poured and poured a new one?
I do not have a washing machine, but simply with an aquafilter, so there is so much dirt - and dust, sand, and hair (depending on the place of work) that it simply cannot be drained, I first pull out the "balls" of dirt, then I still need to rinse ... Of course, this is not long, especially when there is experience, but I can't say everything is ready and ready!
Of course, there is a lot of dirt and dust in Aquafilr, but if you compare washing the Aquafilter with washing the entire vacuum cleaner .. After wet cleaning, I wash not only filters, but also tubes, etc. He himself is small. I pour all the dirt into the toilet and rinse.
lina
About Thomas. Twin TT. 8 years of operation. My scent is like a bloodhound, I hardly even use perfume - everyone interferes. Well, Thomas doesn't stink if you don't close it. For half a year toiled that he stank to me, but found a way.I don't close the vacuum cleaner, when I put the pipe on the fasteners, I turn the hose - and it turns out that the hose holds the lid, the gap is a few cm. It dries perfectly. And a little more compact. I rinse the bucket and spare parts from the bucket and put it not in the vacuum cleaner, but under the sink in the bathroom. There it dries well, and you won't have to run water next time. Inside the vacuum cleaner, I do not run a rag every time. Pour-rinse takes a couple of minutes, I just go through the sink with soapy hands then, when my hands are mine, and that's it. 3-5 minutes to remove the vacuum cleaner after cleaning. Is it long?
Levreta
The point is that some just do not need it. Five minutes or half an hour, the very fact that the vacuum cleaner needs to be washed. Now, thank God, there are many different vacuum cleaners, and if a person does not want to wash a vacuum cleaner, he can buy an ordinary bag vacuum cleaner. Tomas are specific vacuum cleaners, and they are bought by those who are already familiar with their features and are ready for it. In return, they get a good au pair.
Alenka212
Quote: Levreta

The point is that some just do not need it. Five minutes or half an hour, the very fact that the vacuum cleaner needs to be washed. Now, thank God, there are many different vacuum cleaners, and if a person does not want to wash a vacuum cleaner, he can buy an ordinary bag vacuum cleaner. Tomas are specific vacuum cleaners, and they are bought by those who are already familiar with their features and are ready for it. In return, they get a good au pair.
He is a good assistant, only if I initially knew about its specificity, perhaps I would have chosen a different brand. Therefore, it is rarely used now, and I try to study the product in detail before purchasing it.
Levreta
In my opinion, before buying, you need to at least know what you are buying. If you did not know about these nuances, it does not mean that the vacuum cleaner is bad. Apparently this is simply not your product.
vatruska
Levreta, this is all correct, of course, but the whole problem is that you simply do not know what to ask and what to be interested in. For example, when I was buying a new refrigerator, it never occurred to me to ask about the voltage in the house and the size of the doorway. And although the refrigerator successfully crawled through the opening - the voltage turned out to be beyond the working area (only 160 W) - I had to fly like a fly and buy a stabilizer. So it is with vacuum cleaners, especially with detergents. It's good if you have friends to whom you can come and see, and at the same time find out about all the jambs, but if not?
* Anyuta *
Quote: vatruska

So it is with vacuum cleaners, especially with detergents. It's good if you have friends to whom you can come and see, and at the same time find out about all the jambs, but if not?
+100500 ... And now it has become like that ...
And those who bought WASHING vacuum cleaners 6-7 (and more) years ago did not have such an opportunity and only because the Tomases were the only ones washing vacuum cleaners from "affordable" ... that is, not from professional and not from American type Kirby for 100 000 RER ...
Melanyushka
Quote: * Annie *

just because the Thomases were the only ones washing vacuum cleaners from "affordable" ... that is, not from professional and not from American type Kirby for 100 000 RER ...
Why were Thomas the only ones available, not professional? My very first washing vacuum cleaner was Mulinex, quite a household option, it was purchased somewhere in the 90s, it is still alive, it lives in the garage. Based on this experience, I have an idea of ​​what a washing vacuum cleaner is, but they no longer wanted to purchase such a thing, the apartment is small, it is easier to do wet cleaning with a wet rag. After that, it seems to me, it was very humid, it takes time for the floor, the carpet to dry out. But this is just my personal opinion, many housewives are quite satisfied with cleaning with a washing vacuum cleaner.
* Anyuta *
Quote: Melanyushka

Why were the thomas the only ones available

Here then it is still worth making an addition .... "from those available in other cities of Russia except Moscow and St. Petersburg" .... But seriously, at least in our city there was NOTHING except the Thomas ... and only a year after I bought Thomas Zelmer appeared, and only then all the others ...
Melanyushka
Well, yes, at that time they were just beginning to import various goods from abroad, which we had never seen before. I am from Chelyabinsk and bought this vacuum cleaner quite freely in my city, like the Hotter airfryer - I also grabbed it as soon as they began to appear with us, then the advertisement was already slipping on TV, but only on central television and I began to track wherever you could buy from us such a novelty.
Arbena
Quote: Melanyushka

My very first washing vacuum cleaner was Mulinex, quite a household option, it was purchased somewhere in the 90s, it is still alive, lives in the garage.
Sclerosis
I remembered that my friend really bragged about Moulinex - the first detergent. It was such an event, a completely new word in technology at that time.
But I didn't want to buy.
it is easier to do wet cleaning with a wet cloth
And now I think so.
marinastom
Quote: Arbena

Sclerosis
I remembered that my friend really bragged about Moulinex - the first detergent. It was such an event, a completely new word in technology at that time.
But I didn't want to buy. And now I think so.
I have Roventa, 15 years old. Already floundering (washing function, sucking - a beast!).
Alenka212
And I only wash carpets and my sofa. And there was a car interior. The floors were washed only a few times in the attack of the struggle for cleanliness, and that is because some kind of construction and repair work is constantly going on in our house. Can you imagine what happens after sanding the putty or sawing pieces of wood?
A friend is delighted with Thomas washing the windows. I haven't even tried it, it's easier for me with a microfiber cloth ...

We are all so different and living conditions are different, so everyone chooses according to their taste. I had no idea before that it was necessary to choose the technique so carefully according to those. information and feedback. (Until the first unsuccessful purchase) And that you can buy something on the Internet. Everything in the store was bought on the advice of consultants. And their consultation is something
Arbena
Quote: Alyonka212

We are all so different and living conditions are different, so everyone chooses according to their taste. I had no idea before that it was necessary to choose the technique so carefully according to those. information and feedback.
And if we talk about very old times ... my mother still starts to get nervous, telling how they "threw away" a vacuum cleaner or sausage in the store. There was no question about the brand or variety, at least I could buy something.
Levreta
Quote: Melanyushka

the apartment is small, it is easier to do wet cleaning with a wet rag. After that, it seems to me, it was very humid, it takes time for the floor, the carpet to dry out. But this is just my personal opinion, many housewives are quite satisfied with cleaning with a washing vacuum cleaner.
That's what I wrote about that each mistress has her own situation. Even everyone's apartments are different. Someone has 4 rooms, and someone has one. Someone does not need a detergent because the area allows you to manually wash. Who has a large area is easier with a detergent
Arinna
Someone is happy with Dyson. And I'm upset from him.
Shaking out the garbage is reminiscent of Soviet vacuum cleaners, no matter how hard you try to stuff the garbage into a bag, everything around will be covered in dust. The vacuum cleaner is so-so, nothing better than those that were before. I don’t have a turbo brush, but in a set with any other soap cleaner, much cheaper, it also works great. The case is really flimsy. Cracks appeared here and there. And on Samsung, the seller danced and jumped to show his strength.
The most important thing that annoys me is the presence of a fine filter, which cannot be washed, but needs to be changed in the service or unscrew 1.5 dozen bolts and dance around it. Once. I'm not talking about the cost of the filter. A washing vacuum cleaner at least can be washed, and not store dust in the apartment. I am not writing to argue with someone. Everyone has their own impressions of the technique. Simply, maybe someone will need my review.
Arbena
Quote: Arinna

The most important thing that annoys me is the presence of a fine filter, which cannot be washed, but needs to be changed in the service or unscrew 1.5 dozen bolts and dance around it. Once. I'm not talking about the cost of the filter.A washing vacuum cleaner at least can be washed, and not store dust in the apartment. I am not writing to argue with someone. Everyone has their own impressions of the technique. Simply, maybe someone will need my review.
I'm not going to argue either, I just want to advise you to consult at least by phone in a service center or with those who have such a vacuum cleaner. It cannot be that Dyson had to change something in the service or buy.
Levreta
Quote: Arbena

It cannot be that Dyson had to change something in the service or buy.
Oh how! Sorry for asking why? Is he something unique? Or completely unbreakable? Everything breaks and Dyson and Karcher and Samsung and any other brand. And as it turns out that Dyson is also not an ideal vacuum cleaner and you also need to wear it to service centers. So why pay so much for it?
Levreta
Quote: Arinna

Someone is happy with Dyson. And I'm upset from him.
Shaking out the garbage is reminiscent of Soviet vacuum cleaners, no matter how hard you try to stuff the garbage into a bag, everything around will be covered in dust. The vacuum cleaner is so-so, nothing better than those that were before. I don’t have a turbo brush, but in a set with any other soap cleaner, much cheaper, it also works great. The case is really flimsy. Cracks appeared here and there. And on Samsung, the seller danced and jumped to show his strength.
The most important thing that annoys me is the presence of a fine filter, which cannot be washed, but needs to be changed in the service or unscrew 1.5 dozen bolts and dance around it. Once. I'm not talking about the cost of the filter. A washing vacuum cleaner at least can be washed, and not store dust in the apartment. I am not writing to argue with someone. Everyone has their own impressions of the technique. Simply, maybe someone will need my review.
Dyson is an ordinary dry vacuum cleaner, the only difference is that the brand is very popular. hence its overpriced. How many did not ask the owners of Dyson why he is so good, everyone writes only one thing. They say there is a guarantee and some kind of patents. You need to choose a vacuum cleaner according to your needs and know what you want from it.
Admin
Quote: Levreta

Dyson is an ordinary dry vacuum cleaner, the only difference is that the brand is very popular. hence its overpriced. How many did not ask the owners of Dyson why he is so good, everyone writes only one thing. They say there is a guarantee and some kind of patents. You need to choose a vacuum cleaner according to your needs and know what you want from it.

Well, I don't know - who is looking for what
I was looking for vertical parking, lightweight and came across a dyson that I hadn't heard of at the time. Then I read about it in the internet, and stopped on it. For two years now with me, and I am very happy with it

And there is no problem to shake out the garbage, put the flask in a large bag, pressed the button and all the good in the bag will appear.
Dyson's filters are very good, the power is also, there are services - what more could you want?
Verina Natalia
Once upon a time there was my favorite dry budget Karcher. It was used for a long time, extremely: four large dogs - one with decorating hair, two royal poodles, and a shedding BEO, and that's not counting the three children in the apartment! She doted, loved and cherished, one inconvenience - disposable filters. But everything comes to an end, and so does Karcher's love. It was replaced by LG with a shake-out container. What can I say? It sucks - a beast, of course, but ... then the button sinks, then the tubes fall out on the move, then it does not hold in the grooves, it falls out ... And even it lifts the linoleum, but the grains of sand were felt with the foot. Can you imagine the sensations after using the Karcher umka? And yesterday, quite suddenly, I found Dyson 46 for myself. Small as a toy, it sucks in fine debris and sand perfectly (candy wrappers are large - we bend over and remove with handles), really without loss of power. I didn’t even notice how the wool was crammed up to the eyeballs in the container, almost into the felt, and the sand rakes and rakes everything. The container is removed at the touch of a button, disassembled into parts easily and naturally, rinsing without problems at all. All filters are washable and do not require further replacement.In general, I am very satisfied.
Yes, I additionally bought a nozzle for cleaning upholstered furniture and carpets. I was surprised that during cleaning the already caked pile rises again.
Arbena

Girls tell me how to choose now and what you need to pay attention to.
There are many good vacuum cleaners now. You must first determine what you want from the vacuum cleaner.
The apartment is large or small, or a house with stairs, there are carpets, animals, children, allergy sufferers, what an approximate budget ... these are questions that immediately came to mind.
Etc.
igorechek
I have not chosen yet, but given that there is no universal vacuum cleaner, lately I am inclined to believe, as some owners of vacuum cleaners advise, that you need TWO of them. I wondered at first, why? I will express my opinion.
1. ELECTRIC DRUG. For quick and easy cleaning. You don't need any wires, just grabbed a light (up to 2 kg) vacuum cleaner, you don't need any wires, quickly swept it up, threw it out of the container and that's it! I already bought it to help my old Bosch. But now he works more than him, because he is mobile and does not need any wires.
2. Washing vacuum cleaner Karcher for general cleaning. Not only cleans, but also washes. What attracted me to the new model was the ease of maintenance. It is also called a bucket with a motor. I took it apart and looked - there, unlike Thomas, I really - poured dirty water and just rinsed it. And Na-a-amnogo more compact, the more the dimensions go up and not in breadth.
Arinna
Which vacuum cleaner to buy?
This is my sadness. I took off the flask and washed it. And this is called a cyclone (as I understood), which cannot be washed, but it is recommended to wipe it ..... No matter how much you wipe it, the dust from this structure still flies. Maybe I'm doing something wrong. Please advise.
Chef
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igorechek
Quote: Chef

Nobody deleted anything, messages are highlighted in the subject Dyson vacuum cleaners
It is clear, but I went exactly on this topic to discuss ALL models of VARIOUS designs of vacuum cleaners.
I think that's good. that everyone should speak from different positions and opinions for such UNCERTAINS like me. And Dyson is just one option.
Levreta
Quote: igorechek

I took it apart and looked - there, unlike Thomas, I really - poured dirty water and just rinsed it.
Forgive me of course. And what does Thomas have something different? Or is it your first time seeing an aquafilter? In my opinion, the principle is the same for any brand if it is a model with an aqua box. Leaked - rinsed, like everything.
igorechek
The fact of the matter is that the designs are different. To do this, you just need to look inside each model yourself and figure it out.
At first glance, what's the difference. Any car also has the same principle, but the implementation of ideas is completely different.
sazalexter
Quote: igorechek


2. Washing vacuum cleaner Karcher for general cleaning. Not only cleans, but also washes. What attracted me to the new model was the ease of maintenance. It is also called a bucket with a motor.

Not so clear. In detergents and with an aquafilter Smeared water over the hut, spread dampness. It is necessary to wash the container, in some the filters are not really washed out, to dry the whole thing. Then wash the sink, the toilet ... brrr. At the dry one, pulled out the S-BAG, opened the trash can, threw it away. Pulled out a new bag, put it on, forgot it like a bad dream

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