Shelena
Timofey, and how do you manage to convey so many emotions and positives to your interlocutor in a few phrases ?! I never cease to amaze and admire this skill. It inspires great respect and your tireless desire to experiment, improve and not give up in case of failure.

Thanks for the nice words! I am very glad that the recipe did not disappoint, and I liked the taste of the bread! Congratulations on your luck !!!
Outwardly, the loaf looks neat, and the roof pleases the eye.
But why did it taste sweetish? ..
I bake this bread often, and it has never been sweet for me. There are several versions: they used sweet, very fresh kefir (after all, 2 teaspoons of sugar are designed to neutralize sour kefir). Sweetish malt (I've come across this).
Timofey, did you take dry yeast? I, it seems, did not bake this bread on such people. Maybe this is the reason? I am inclined to believe that compressed yeast processes sugar better.
In general, something needs to be changed. Rye bread with a sweetish flavor is a bit wrong (in my opinion, of course).
Buloshnik
As for the brevity and informativeness of the presentation of thoughts (about how I wrapped it up), these are 20 full calendars in the Navy - if you don't want to, you will learn
As for the sweetness, here it is easier for me to cut off a still warm piece out of impatience and a slight sweetness was felt, after a couple of hours the bread "ripened", the taste opened up ... I haven't eaten this for a long time. At the moment, barely a quarter is left. And I recently got into the habit of activating dry yeast beforehand
Shl. I use kefir both in cooking and just as a drink, only "Avido" (not advertising) is the only natural one for my taste
Shelena
Quote: Buloshnik

At the moment, barely a quarter is left.
ABOUT! So I was in vain alarmed. This makes me happy.
Quote: Buloshnik

And I recently got into the habit of activating dry yeast beforehand.
Work better?
This is not suitable for all species, alas. In the ones I occasionally use, activation will significantly degrade the rise of the dough. But there and on the package it is written that you need to mix yeast with flour.
Buloshnik
Next time I will definitely try to use "live" ones, since I got a "small scope"
All the same, the taste and color that the wort concentrate gives is in no way comparable to that of the malt
Shelena
Did you like the malt more?
Buloshnik
Quote: Shelena

Did you like the malt more?
Corner, color-taste-aroma is really bready. In Vilyuchinsk, I always go from home to the base by the garrison bakery of affairs, so when I took out a loaf, tears almost flowed, such nostalgia struck
Shelena
What pleasant memories ...
Tasha1111
Timofey, what a glorious bread! And I wrote to you about this recipe of Elena:
Quote: Tasha1111
I like Elena's recipe for rye bread (the one with the seeds on top). I bake it often.
We have it, too, goes to Hurray.
But I have a sore question: is it on top of you, too, as ruddy as it was on the sides, or does this photo distort the color?
Buloshnik
The color is almost the same on all sides, except that the bottom is a little brighter. And I'm a photographer ... yes, I already wrote which one
Tasha1111
Baked yesterday DIET BREAD WITH BRAN (main program, dark crust color) delicious
Bread maker Polaris PBM 1501D (reviews and discussion)
Bread maker Polaris PBM 1501D (reviews and discussion)
Buloshnik
A technological map for the product
Tasha1111
See my post # 584 on the previous page
Shelena
Natasha, the bread is very beautiful. Both form and color -! Seductive! We'll have to bake (you have to find out what it tastes like).
Svetlana D.
Good evening to all owners of C / P. Yesterday I was also presented with a miracle technique. In the evening I read everything here with you, today I decided to try it. And this was the question I had.How should C / B behave when doing a kneading? The program overview contains 10 minutes. Any movements, sounds? I have some kind of second sounds and that's it.
Elena Kadiewa
Svetlana, so she will twist a little when she kneels and that's it.
Svetlana D.
Thank you calmed down. And more questions. I didn't grease the top with anything - what to do now, there are 10 minutes left until the end?
the window is blue or is the protective film so tightly glued?
Elena Kadiewa
The little window is also bluish. And I don't grease the top with anything either.
Shelena
Svetlana, Congratulations on your appearance in the house of C / P. Let him please with delicious bread.
Quote: Svetlana D.

How should C / B behave when doing a kneading? The program overview contains 10 minutes. Any movements, sounds? I have some kind of second sounds and that's it.
If you look closely at the program table, you can see that the warm-up takes not 10 MINUTES, but 10 SECONDS (there are "/" or "//" - minutes and seconds).
Davud_SS
Great bran recipe! Today I will try, especially since my stove was repaired in the service in just a day (which was extremely unexpected), so thanks to everyone for the advice and I'm back in the ranks of bakers!
Shelena
Matvey, this is great news! Now you can bake delicious bread again!
NadiaHappy
I wanted a homemade bread. I thought for a long time what to take. Initially, I was looking for a multi-cooker with the function of a bread maker or a bread maker with a multi-cooker function (so that 2 units do not stand in the kitchen and do not take up space). But I was persuaded to take a separate bread maker for a good bread result.
And in search of a model that would satisfy all my needs, I ended up on Polaris. But everyone writes that the best bread is baked by Panasonic (the latest model). But I did not like the lack of some important functions for me from Panasonic. Yes, and Elena's experiments hooked me: everything is very detailed, the result is excellent. In half a day I mastered all this Temko, read it and decided that I would take such a model!
Jacqueline
Shelena, Good day! I have a question for you as a local googu. As I understand it, you take out the scapulae from the dough, at what stage? The first pancake came out lumpy for me, the program glitched, but still could not take out the bread.
NadiaHappy
Quote: Jacqueline

Shelena, Good day! I have a question for you as a local googu. As I understand it, you take out the scapulae from the dough, at what stage? The first pancake came out lumpy for me, the program glitched, but still could not take out the bread.

May I answer. This topic is mentioned more than once.
Quote: Shelena
After the last (2nd) kneading, when the scoreboard was 1:51, the dough looked like this:
I took out the shoulder blades from both buckets, slightly leveled the tops.
She left the bread to grow.

That is, after the last workout.
Shelena
NadiaHappy, thanks for the help!
This is exactly what I do - I take out the shoulder blades before the last proofing. The dough can be neatly trimmed on top, the wheat dough can even be wrapped in a roll (optional), you can sprinkle with goodies (seeds, poppy seeds, sesame seeds, etc.).
Nadia, choosing a device is always not easy. User advice is, of course, useful, but I think everyone should decide for himself what him importantly, you need what he expects from the device. My friend has one of the Panasonic models. The bread bakes good, but outwardly the unit does not cause any positive emotions in me. And for me personally, this is important! When you like the device, you want to create more and more. I had a wary attitude towards Polaris for the first weeks (I loved my Kenwood too much), but outwardly I really liked C / P. I experimented with pleasure. Now, after a year, I can say that I really like this model. The opportunities are great. Home program, 2 buckets 2 scoops - these are the huge advantages of this bread maker.

Shelena
Quote: Jacqueline

The first pancake came out lumpy for me, the program glitched, but still could not take out the bread.
Jacqueline, what kind of glitch happened?
Jacqueline
NadiaHappy, Thank you
Shelena, I included wheat bread, I chose the weight, the color of the crust. The program showed (if I'm not mistaken) 3:30 and time went by.I look after 10 minutes the screen is on and the numbers are not completely visible (as if they are not printed), then after 5 minutes I look the screen is green, there are no numbers at all. Well, I think maybe it should be so (gaining power or something) I started kneading and kneading probably about 2 hours. I was distracted because there were a lot of things in the evening. Then I looked through the instructions, nothing was written about such a malfunction. Then I read that the program can be turned on from the socket for 15 minutes. I took a chance and lo and behold, numbers appeared on the display and the program started again. It turns out that she was deaf at 3:15 and the process started over. Today I will put another option if I go to change it again.
Jacqueline
Another question. I saw one of the girls making white bread according to the recipe Shelenaand added fried onions to the second bucket. The question is when to add before the last proofing or when to knead?
Shelena
Jacqueline, add all the additives needed inside the bread by the sound signal during kneading.
Quote: Jacqueline

It turns out that she was deaf at 3:15 and the process started over. Today I will put another option if I go to change it again.
Jacqueline, I once encountered such a glitch on the "Main" program. The device is turned off. I never did this again! I hope that everything goes well for you. If something goes wrong, change the stove.
Lilyushka
Hello, dear forum users!
Recently, I also got fired up with the idea of ​​a bread maker, and began to look at different models, characteristics, etc. on this site. Only my head swells from information.
And on another forum I accidentally found out about this HP model and found a branch about it here. Today I finished reading all the pages and decided to ask about some misunderstandings.
First, what are the dimensions of this HP? Because different stores have different sizes, I was horrified when I read in Eldorado that the height is 68cm ?!
Secondly, all those who got used to baking sourdough bread in it?
Third, is the lid really unstable and overturns at HP?
That's all for now. I would be grateful for your answers. It's a very warm atmosphere here when communicating.
L. Laura
I have never had a lid topple over, it's a simple, hinged lid. The dimensions are really not small, but certainly not 68 cm. I will try to measure it tomorrow. And I'm not interested in sourdough either, my classmate's wife has problems with yeast bread. I wanted to please with yeast-free bread, but as always, if it is not difficult to make.
By the way, in joint purchases I bought Red Rye Malt and Wheat Gluten, now I have to try it somewhere.
And also to justify the yeast, which did not raise the cake higher than me, I baked it on it, but from another bag. Everything was fine. So there was spoiled yeast. I bought fresh ones, divided them into 8 grams each and froze them. I will try.
Lilyushka
Something silence here ... And although I have not yet been given intelligible answers except for L. Laura, but I will continue to ask about this HP.
It has been said here more than once that buckets are inserted and taken out with difficulty. And with the help of some buttons, etc., is this action performed or is it just necessary to pull up or push down?
I'm not asking out of simple curiosity. It is impossible for me to perform such force manipulations (problems with physical health) and my mother will help me to do this part of the actions. But since we did not have HP before, it is a little scary when something has to be done there with effort. And I really want my own homemade bread, and with the help of such an assistant as HP, who kneads and bakes herself.
And in this HP I liked that there is a manual setting program, I do not lose hope to master the "starter" baking + the price is quite acceptable. I don't want to try expensive units yet.
In general, dear members of the forum, please give answers to my questions.
A citizen
Lilyushka,
Dimensions (WxHxD): 26x30x43 cm
What will the sourdough give, do you want to save on yeast or just a tribute to fashion?
Alternatively, knead without baking, adding only 0.3-0.5 grams. yeast, watching the rise after a few hours, and turning on the baking when you think it has risen enough.

L. Laura,
Perhaps instead of gluten, take normal flour, Voronezh is very good, and gluten may be needed only if you bake with a bunch of additives (nuts, raisins ...), in the amount of more than 10% of the flour mass.
Buloshnik
Lilyushka, by effort, what to insert, what to pull out the bucket is no more problematic than cutting off a piece of bread, everything is conveniently and thoughtfully done.
Lilyushka
Quote: Resident

Lilyushka,
Dimensions (WxHxD): 26x30x43 cm
What will the sourdough give, do you want to save on yeast or just a tribute to fashion?
Alternatively, knead without baking, adding only 0.3-0.5 grams. yeast, watching the rise after a few hours, and turning on the baking when you think it has risen enough.
Resident, leavened bread, this is not the same for me. The main thing is the benefit and taste of these breads.
Do you have such a bread maker?
A citizen
Lilyushka,
I have an inexpensive Supra-230, I took it for a test, although my friends advised Panasonic, and for 4 years now, even others do not pull, I am satisfied with everything.
If you like the taste, that's another matter.
But the use of sourdough probably also exists, but the very same yeast fungi ferment carbohydrates, and it is gimmoroinous to mess with it.
Lilyushka
A citizen, but how did the surfaces of the bucket of the blade wear out during this time?
A citizen
Lilyushka,
Everything has its own term, over the past 3.5 years it has been rubbed a little, but the bread does not burn, it comes out normally from the bucket, because after the end of baking I leave it and take it out after about 30-40 minutes, when it is a little extra due to the residual heat reaches and decreases slightly in size due to cooling.
L. Laura
I apologize for not measuring the bread maker for a long time. Here's what happened.

Bread maker Polaris PBM 1501D (reviews and discussion)
Bread maker Polaris PBM 1501D (reviews and discussion)
Bread maker Polaris PBM 1501D (reviews and discussion)
Bread maker Polaris PBM 1501D (reviews and discussion)
L. Laura
The bread maker is certainly not small, but it's worth it. I didn't want to buy a bread maker. Mom bought herself and did not want to start baking. But I was eager to see how it works. She's cool. The main thing is to weigh everything accurately. The presence of two buckets allows you to bake slightly different breads. My family is small and does not consume much bread. Therefore, I make white and gray. The buckets are taken with effort, but not so critical. If you can lift a 2 liter jar, then don't worry. You don't need to press any buttons, just pull the handle.
In general, I have never regretted it and the stove migrated from my mother to me.
Buloshnik
And as I went into the reserve, I got into cooking, apparently over 20 calendars I was very tired of government food. They fed, it is true, very well, but there was government food, and God forbid, I was at home 3-4 months a year. In the last six months, I got carried away with baking, my wife chuckles, and my sons are hammered into a bet - who, they say, is the buns of the rivers, mother or father. Here C / P is the ideal assistant
Bridge
The data sheet indicates a weight of 12.66 kg. I hope this is with the packaging ?! And to raise, rearrange-heavy HP?
Buloshnik
Shelena's sour cream bread (see page 2) somehow didn't work out very well for me, the taste is excellent, but purely visually ..
The roof constantly collapsed, I asked for advice and it was decided to either change the regime or reduce the yeast ... I, out of bad habit, waving a saber, did both at once.
Basic mode, yeast 50% of the recipe. Here's what happened
Bread maker Polaris PBM 1501D (reviews and discussion)
The taste is quite decent, but the next time I'll leave the regime "milk bread"
L. Laura
Buloshnik, great. The main thing is tasty, otherwise the store is pretty, but you can't eat very well.
Bridge, I, of course, did not weigh it, but somehow I doubt that it is so heavy. It is in my desk on the bottom shelf and I get it every time without any problems, although frankly it is far from Hercules)))))))))))))))))). The bucket of water that I carry when cleaning the aquarium is much heavier (at least for me)
Shelena
Quote: Buloshnik

Shelena's sour cream bread (see page 2) somehow didn't work out very well for me, the taste is excellent, but purely visually ..
The roof constantly collapsed, I asked for advice and it was decided to either change the regime or reduce the yeast ... I, out of bad habit, waving a saber, did both at once.
Basic mode, yeast 50% of the recipe.
... The taste is quite decent, but next time I will leave the regime "milk bread"
Timofey, the feeling is that in the first minutes of baking the temperature was too high, the bread rushed up. (Such suspicions about the "Basic" mode have already flashed in the topic.) I think your conclusion from this experience is correct - to change the mode, because for this test it is not entirely successful. Try Milk Bread or select Programmable Mode. If you like the taste, it's worth fighting for the appearance.

Quote: Bridge

The data sheet indicates a weight of 12.66 kg. I hope this is with the packaging ?! And to raise, rearrange-heavy HP?
Bridge, weighed C / P on electronic scales. Showed 6,400.
severyanka76
Shelena, thanks to you, or rather your recipes, I bought this bread maker. Thank you for such work. I want to ask about taking out the blades - since, in fact, the work of the bread machine does not stop, it turns out that the blades are removed when the baking is already in progress? Or how?
Elena Kadiewa
The shoulder blades are removed after the last workout.
Shelena
Quote: severyanka76

Shelena, thanks to you, or rather your recipes, I purchased this bread maker. Thank you for such work. I want to ask about taking out the blades - since, in fact, the work of the bread machine does not stop, it turns out that the blades are removed when the baking is already in progress? Or how?
severyanka76, Thank you for your trust, you are welcome! I sincerely hope that the bread maker will not disappoint you!
Elena is absolutely right, I take out the shoulder blades after the last workout, this is somewhere on average 1 hour 50 minutes before the end of the program (you can see more in the table of modes, each program has its own time). There is no baking yet, just the last proofing before baking.
severyanka76
Thank you. Now it is clear. By the way, about the shoulder blades - according to the instructions, I also realized that the large shoulder blades were supposedly for rye bread and I put small blades in a large mold. Baked French bread (very first time). So the small shoulder blades got in well and in the big shape. Only a little from one corner with a silicone spatula helped a little. Everything worked out great. Then I baked white bread like a "loaf for 25 kopecks", the recipe from the forum was also tasty and good. But I took a package of ready-made rye Puds - it was baked well, but I didn't like the taste of the bread - it was somehow artificial, not at all our Darnitsky. They didn't eat. I will try further. I wonder how!
Shelena
Quote: severyanka76

I wonder how!
As soon as I hear such words, I can continue to be calm for a person. Interest, curiosity is the most important, in my opinion, in cooking. Now you are definitely OUR, infected with an interest in baking. Happy experiments !!!
Quote: severyanka76

By the way, about the shoulder blades - according to the instructions, I also realized that the large shoulder blades were supposedly for rye bread and I put small blades in a large mold. Baked French bread (very first time). So the small shoulder blades got in well and in the big shape. Only a little from one corner with a silicone spatula helped a little. Everything worked out great.
Nothing was written about the blades in the instructions, which causes different versions among users. It's a pity that the manufacturers didn't fix anything in the text in a year. It's good that you didn't put the long shoulder blades in the small buckets. It would be much worse.
I often use a silicone spatula when mixing, it is also very convenient for me.
FrauMieze
Goodnight! Can you please tell me if it is possible to get bread with crispy crusts in this bread maker, when it breaks straight if you press? The husband really asks for such bread, but I always get soft ((

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