Cooking utensils (pots, pans, lids for them)

It seems to me - all ceramic coatings, of any company, will behave this way, a month earlier, a month later, depending on who uses how often.

It was not for nothing that it was written that these coatings are the least-lived, or rather, they seem to be whole, without scratches and rags like old Teflon, but they burn.

Still neoflam was left without real feedback on the service life ...

Another unpleasant thing is that when you pay $ 20-30 for a short time it is one thing, but when you pay $ 50-60 for the same service life, it is already a shame.

Girls! And my Coin began to bother. Yesterday she was frying cutlets, so even a crust formed at the bottom of the pan, which could not be peeled off with a spatula ... When washing, of course, everything was washed without problems, but I don't play like that ...

Try pouring water into a clean skillet and boiling. Our girls said that they were helping the grinpan - maybe it would help yours too? I have not tried it myself, my ceramic frying pan (greenpan) is still not a week old.

Fried chicken chops on it in potato pancakes - first side 1 tsp. oil, the second not at all - excellent. and cuts of meat, marinated in mustard and spices (no breading) - no oil at all.

I had such a situation when not only to tear off with a spatula - in general, it seemed that it was impossible to wash without an abrasive in principle. And you can't do it with an abrasive - not a washcloth or a powder.

Water helped with soda - poured a full frying pan, steamed for a long time over low heat and then everything was neatly washed off with a light cloth. Only you need to wash it while it is hot, otherwise if you miss the moment and it cools down, it will grab again so that you do not wash it.

If you consider that the frying pan still became very sticky, then I was no longer afraid to go to it with soda

Girls want to order myself Rondell Flamme pots, somebody used such.

I have several pots from Röndell, I bought one by one from different sets. But this particular model does not exist. I have been using it for several years, I really like it. They still look like new.

Flaksia thanks for the help, I only have frying pans of this company.

What is the coating of the pans? Are you satisfied with them?

My Coin (as old as Lena07) is still alive. Of course, if you turn on the fire harder, it will also burn, but on medium heat, everything is fine. The most indestructible frying pan is Bergof made of good stainless steel. You can rub with anything, there is no coating - only stainless steel. I bought it almost a year ago, washing it in the dishwasher.

And how to make sure that the Bergof frying pan - I have it for a long time, but I do not use it - the food does not burn? I honestly love a couple of thick-walled aluminum pans of the year 75, Dnepropetrovsk did. The covers were confused, but they are alive. Ugly, not dressy, but I love them.

[Brener]

Girls, I made up my mind and bought a frying pan Brener with ceramic coating - NEOFLAM.
And then I survived that even the pancakes had nothing to bake on.
So in six months or a year I will report how she is doing.

I have a dark red outer coating, just under my favorite tajins, now there is such harmony and beauty on the stove

And how to make sure that the Bergof frying pan - I have it for a long time, but I don't use it - the food does not burn?

You can try the method from mariana-aga, she gave a master class for processing pans:

“Long ago, people noticed that calcining a layer of oil on cast iron helps to create a smooth protective layer on its surface. And that the more layers and the longer the process of building up such layers lasted (years and decades), the more non-stick the surface of the cast iron became .. . "

read here:
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you can try for aluminum too

And the bergof is made of stainless steel ... It will stick. Luminium and cast iron - it's easier with them - to ignite, warm up, do not use an abrasive, but stainless steel - it is different ...

I have never used a Bergof frying pan. I heard that it seems like you need to dip the products only in very well-heated oil. In general, the Dnipropetrovsk cast-iron frying pan is the very best! Nothing sticks ... And I use any spoons-forks ...

In general, the Dnipropetrovsk cast-iron frying pan is the very best! Nothing sticks ... And I use any spoons-forks ...

That's how it is with me. I used cast-iron pans, when Tefal appeared, I bought several pans. I sent the old cast-iron ones to the mezzanine. Tefal died, climbed onto the mezzanine for her cast-iron ones. And now I am in doubt whether to send the cast iron back to the mezzanine link and buy "Coin", or even not to "steam" about pans anymore and use my old, proven cast-iron pans ...
And I want it to be beautiful, modern and NOT STICK ... Old pans are good for everyone, only they don't quite fit into the interior ...
A friend has a bergoff frying pan, complains that everything is sticky, uses it on rare occasions.

And I'm on the street - under the awning - there I have a kitchen, like a summer kitchen. And my ducklings fit in, frying pans for a sweet soul. Now the toad is strangling - the container was sent when - all the old dishes, they suddenly turned out to be superfluous - they were struck, they got a little more to the dachas, and today I looked at another duck, but I did not dare to buy.
That’s all Tefali in the chicken coop povykinu - under the feeders, drinkers, go and buy a simple Soviet duckling and a cauldron for pilaf. This is either nostalgia or old age

Girls, help out! I am tormented. Moneta and Ballarini pans with ceramic coating are due to be delivered to the store next week. The second day I surf the Internet in order to decide between them. If you don’t help me, I’ll die of choices!

[Pogremushka]

Pogremushka Don't take ceramics, take Teflon. ceramics have a very low service life. Over a year

[Pogremushka]

Pogremushka Don't take ceramics, take Teflon. ceramics have a very low service life. Over a year

I'm afraid of Teflon. Ceramics will be safer.

Ceramics will be safer.

this is a big misconception, Teflon has been used in the food and medical industry for over 25 years, no one has died yet
This is a trick of the manufacturers, you have to somehow force them to buy ceramics "users"

Teflon dishes must be changed once a year too. At the slightest scratch, do not regret it and throw it away. After a year of intensive use, the uniform abrasion of the Teflon layer makes the dishes unhealthy for food.
I will never forget my Tefal frying pans, peeling off in small shaggy

At the expense of "nobody died" ... The people around are dying from nowhere who have come from sores that cannot be treated. It's just not as noticeable as in severe poisoning, when he ate cyanide and died after 5 minutes. Here they suffer for years and do not guess from what.

[Alim,]

Here are some good overview articles on the different materials used to make cookware:
"What to cook your favorite dishes? About cooking containers and more"
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"What kind of dishes to choose for the kitchen? Safe, convenient, tasty"
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Maybe you should post them in full here? And then the link will disappear ... but just a lot has been written on the topic ...

Of course it's worth it! This is a topic about cooking utensils, so, Alim, please spread it!

this is a big misconception, Teflon has been used in the food and medical industry for over 25 years, no one has died yet
This is a trick of the manufacturers, you have to somehow force them to buy ceramics "users"

but what about perfluorooctanoic (I can be mistaken in the name) acid? It is often used in the production of Teflon and its toxic effect has been proven in this case.

Teflon has been used in the food and medical industries for over 25 years, no one has died yet

Not only in industry. but also in everyday life. I have been using Teflon pans for over 27 years.

I'm afraid of Teflon. Ceramics will be safer.

aluminum is also harmful, but it has been used for many decades and no one is going to refuse such dishes ... and copper dishes too, but professional chefs use it ...

do not use Teflon or ceramics. Old proven cast iron, with good processing, will give odds to both. Well, perhaps, something strongly sour is undesirable to cook on it, or rather, store it.

and you will not need to purchase any non-scratching kitchen small things such as forks, spatulas, etc.

Berhof ceramics DO NOT TAKE !!!!!! I was happy with the gift ... six months ... everything ... is already sticking ... I think again ... what tool to buy ...

Yes, we are already spitting on this company with the whole forum, okay it would not be expensive, vilified and do not mind throwing it away, and it also costs immeasurably as for half a year of life

Cast iron is good for everything except its heavy weight, handle it with thin wrists ... no pleasure from cooking ...

Hello, would you let me take part in the discussion?
The fact is that good old cast iron is also not as harmless as it seems. A cast iron pan becomes usable only after annealing, i.e. high-temperature processing of fat or oil. In this case, the calcined oil or fat fills the porous structure of the cast iron, forming a layer on the surface of the cookware and preventing food from sticking to it. But we somehow lose sight of the fact that this repeatedly fried layer of oil or fat is still inhomogeneous and its invisible particles in large quantities remain on the processed food. And since this film is a layer of oil or fat that is repeatedly exposed to high-temperature exposure, moreover, it also oxidizes all the time during storage in air, when the dishes are not used, the conclusion suggests itself - the bottom of the cast-iron pan is covered with a carcinogenic layer. After all, we all know perfectly well that you cannot fry in oil and fat several times, and this is exactly what happens with cast iron. Maybe not so insanely many particles of this layer adhere to food, but nevertheless, there is no need to talk about the absolute harmlessness of cast iron either.
I do not want to say that it is necessary to immediately quickly throw away all the cast-iron pans ... In no case! It's just that, information for thought

[variety]

Teflon-coated dishes cause liver cancer. In the United States, this year they banned its production, only for a few years they were allowed to sell the existing stocks.

variety - I fully support

[korf]

So, we are all friendly we are switching to stainless steel pans. By the way, they have the least negative reviews in terms of harmlessness. True, I myself cannot decide to change all my pans to this one (I had a negative experience of using a stainless steel pan). So I am now "suffering" with Teflon, I understand that this is not entirely great, I just try not to fry on high heat and cook fried foods as little as possible. I use these pans mainly for frying, scrambled eggs and pancakes. I cook everything else by stewing, baking, etc.
It's a pity that my cartoon bowl is made of Teflon, and I so love to cook all kinds of porridge and stews in it
korf, thanks for the support

[WOLL]

Girls, why no one writes about the company's dishes WOLL? I have a frying pan of this company, I have been using it for a long time, both in the tail and in the mane - I really like it. I also want to buy for pancakes, and a large round (I have a square one). Manufacturer's warranty 25 years, handmade, Germany.
The only negative is a little expensive. I am writing a series of books from Qzon "Gastronome School", in all the photographs it is this dish, it is considered professional. Has an international quality certificate for health protection.

I had such a frying pan. Served for exactly one year. At first I couldn't get enough of it, I just screamed with delight. But a year later I threw it away.

Probably not the topic. Today we stopped at my mother-in-law, she made an omelet in a cast-iron frying pan, which is more than a hundred years old, girls, she is certainly too small, but she makes such pancakes.
I had a cast-iron frying pan, but for some reason it rusted, I got rid of it

what does it have to do with dentures ??? we are talking about dishes that are exposed to heat loads.

links on the network - a dime a dozen, for example - 🔗 and google to help you 🔗

I knew it! More pearls from the manufacturers of sol-gel ceramics Do not read about scientific sites, it is harmful to health!

Cast iron is good ... but my hands can't withstand it .... these pans for the wrist are too heavy.

In parallel with Bergoff, I used Winser ... of a slightly smaller size ... and with him everything is fine ...

Girls who wrote about Coin pans ... how many do you already have?

Girls who wrote about Coin pans ... how many do you already have?

For me, both Coin and other pans with a ceramic coating lost their non-stick properties after 3 months, I will no longer buy ceramics. But I really love the pans with titanium coating (we have already written about them). There are also old ones, Italian and German, and recently I also bought a German Rondell frying pan of great design with such a coating, quote:
"Röndell uses QUANTANIUM, a titanium-based coating as a non-stick coating. It is absolutely safe and harmless. Titanium is even used in the medical industry to make an artificial heart valve."
Can be washed in the dishwasher
The use of metal blades is possible. "

And here's what I found about Rondell on one of the cookware forums:
"411. Strawberry, 11/21/2010 2:27 PM
My wife and I decided to buy ourselves a pretty saucepan and frying pan.

Having looked at several options of various manufacturers in stores, after looking, touching and sniffing, they opted for the German company Rondell. It seems to be made beautifully, thoughtfully and very soundly, a nice box and all that (while it's hard to say something more capacious - only two days from the purchase).
After the purchase, of course, I went to the Internet to study the issue of "German quality for professionals."

Searching for Rondell leads directly to 🔗, in contacts Moscow, Berlin, Kiev. There is a Ukrainian site, a Russian one, but where is the native German one? After a little straining, I did find it ... Well, I think, in vain I suspected the manufacturer of deception. I go to the site 🔗 and I see ... car tires. In short, the search did not give any traces of exactly German quality.

Climbed to dig deeper - yes, in fact, very far and did not need to climb.
On the official website of RosNIIROS quickly broke through the domain. It turned out that the domain was registered at LLC Business Alliance. And the legs grow from the office of Golder Electronics ( 🔗), which makes the Vitek technique and whose owner is Mr. A. Derevyanchenko. There, even when registering a domain, the soap is indicated on and golder-

Here is the "German quality for professionals" ...
Well, the question is, why do they need to be encrypted, what do they have to dig for half a day?
And why so brazenly deceive the buyer? Usually the main reason is money. Having stated that the Brand has a long history, one can immediately inflate the price of the offered product and this will not upset anyone. Well, of course, this is such a dish, ah-ah. She is German, Belgian, French. She's so high-quality and high-tech ... he it simply cannot be cheap.

So I would have gone and Rondell also bought the next vessel, but now, here, the sediment remains, I will doubt it. "

Why is my page stretched so much in width in registered user mode that it does not fit completely on the screen? When viewing in unregistered mode, everything is fine, but as soon as I enter under the nickname, this nonsense begins

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Why is my page stretched so much in width in registered user mode that it does not fit completely on the screen? When viewing in unregistered mode, everything is fine, but as soon as I enter under the nickname, this nonsense begins

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This often happens when such giant links are placed, as was the case above about Teflon.

And here's what I found about Rondell on one of the cookware forums:

Apparently, again the intrigues of competitors. Because I am reading this:

"About Rondell

The history of rondell cookware begins in 1988.It was in this year that the production of the first rondell cookware was launched in Germany. These were not the dishes that we use at home and see in the shop window. Initially, the production of tableware in the city of Salzgitter was set up for professional use only. The Rondell company began with the production of high-tech cookware, with unique technologies only for professional use by Chefs. The Rondell company has always been an innovator in the field of kitchenware and from the very first days collaborated with various scientific organizations, for example, with the oldest university in the city of Tübingen.

In 2005. the founder of TM Rondell Gustav Schmidt makes a very important and fateful decision: to launch the production of rondell tableware for home using professional technologies. In other words, a decision is made to produce dishes that would use technologies that were previously used only in dishes for haute cuisine and were not available to the ordinary consumer.

Rondel offers a wide range of stainless steel cookware, anodized aluminum cookware, sets of cookware, individual items - Rondell pans, Rondell saucepans, Rondell pots and ladles, Rondell steamers, Rondell knives, Rondell bakeware, Rondell kettles, Rondell cutlery, Rondell kitchen accessories and more. "

That's right, but since 2005 the Rondell trademark has been acquired by the Russian company Golder Electronics. Currently, the main production facilities have been moved to Asia. The production of a line of household utensils was already started by Golder Electronics in 2006, and only since 2007 these dishes begin to be sold in Russia, the CIS countries and the Baltic states, as well as in Eastern Europe. Nothing is said about the sale of this tableware in Western Europe.
Here is an excerpt from the site
"2004
Golder Electronics, a Russian company, decides to launch a premium-sector Brand. Following extensive research and strategic analysis, the company conciders possibility of acquisition of an existing trademark and chooses in favor of Röndell.
2005
Golder Electronics officially acquires the Röndell Brand together with all its technologies and developments.
2006
Golder Electronics opens an additional office in Hong Kong and moves its main production facilities to Asia. This significantly increases production volumes, while preserving the optimum price for consumers of Röndell cookware.
In parallel, Golder Electronics begins production of domestic cookware using the same technologies and materials as for its professional range.
Two of the main divisions of the new office are the R&D Department and the Quality Assurance Department, whose tasks include 100% control of each production stage. A key element of Röndell's quality management system is the “direct communication line with consumers”, which processes and takes into account every piece of feedback addressed to the company.
2007
Golder Electronics begins selling Röndell cookware in Russia, the CIS, the Baltic countries and EaStеrn Europe.
Röndell cookware appears in all the major retail chains in Russia: Eldorado, Perekrestok, Carousel and Ashan. "

Sorry for English, but there is no time for detailed translation.

Sorry for English, but there is no time for detailed translation.

Nothing, I can easily read English. And I read that Rondell is produced in Hong Kong and Asia (just like almost all of our favorite kitchen appliances) and uses the same technologies and materials.

Nothing, I can easily read English. And I read that Rondell is produced in Hong Kong and Asia (just like almost all of our favorite kitchen appliances) and uses the same technologies and materials.

It is possible that this is exactly the case. I, as a consumer, would like to know the whole truth about the product. And when information is presented in a veiled form, with reservations, I begin to doubt that the rest of the information about the product is also exhaustive and fully corresponds to reality. It would seem, well, why should Golder Electronics so hide information that the Rondell brand currently belongs to it and is related to Russia? Why is it only about the German origin of these dishes everywhere? In fact, they don't seem to tell us the truth, but they don't tell the full truth either. And this does not appeal to me, to put it mildly.
I can’t say anything about the quality of Rondell’s dishes, since I’ve never used it. It is possible that it really is at a very decent level. I just decided to share the information I have so that other potential consumers can also approach their choice as knowledgeable as possible and know what and from whom they are buying.

P.S. So that there are no doubts, I will say right away that I have nothing to do with the production or sale of dishes. All my "defamatory connections" with dishes are limited to my kitchen

And I returned to the already tested Vinzer with porcelain stoneware coating.I held in my hands many different pans (both Teflon and ceramic) ... and again took mine. 3 years of excellent service - guaranteed.

[Gipfel]

Yesterday in the store I came across ceramics from Gipfel series Cosmos... Outwardly, it does not differ from other similar ones, it is suitable for induction and the price is attractive.
Has anyone dealt with these pans?

[Pogremushka,]

Pogremushka, I have 2 Gipfel pans, Cosmos and ZENIT series. The second, with such a speck, lasted 11 months, then the bottom seemed to rub off. Cosmos - I lived a little longer Until I threw it away, I'm also looking to buy this.

[Neva Metal]

... do not use Teflon or ceramics. Old proven cast iron, with good processing, will give odds to both ...

our cast iron is either very expensive or of dubious quality. I want to buy it in Ikea in the summer.
In the meantime, I'll probably stop at a frying pan from Neva Metal series Diamond Neo... Met them yesterday and remembered that I had one. I am a fan of burning pans, and my husband - to joke over them with metal spoons-forks without measure (he is not afraid of moderate stirring with ANY devices). And with such merciless daily use, she lived for a year, while the food began to stick only in the place where the husband did tear off the cover. I won't say anything about other series. But this one is very worthy! Teflon without PFOS. Thick bottom (7.5 mm), stainless steel outside (no stains on glass ceramics, like from aluminum). You can wash it in the PMM, but it can also be washed with a sponge without any effort. Heats up faster and keeps warm better than others (I remember that I fried pancakes in a Tefalev frying pan at a higher power than on Almaz Neo). Suitable for induction. Price from 2000 thousand, depending on the diameter. It's a pity I haven't seen pancake pans from this series.
Pinagri, thank you for your feedback.

[Pinagri]

Pinagri, and where did you find such a Neva frying pan on sale? What is its diameter and how much does it cost?

[variety,]

variety, I looked in the internet. Available in Mogilev, with possible delivery to other regions. The diameter is different, the price is about 200,000 rubles. But I want to see and touch.

Hello to all dish lovers !!! I replaced all the pots and pans six months ago. I bought the pots by Rondell, I'm very happy. And the pans - of course only cast iron !!! 🔗 here's a link to my pans. I bought three pieces of different diameters, 40-35 mm high. I also want a pancake. The only disadvantage (for me) of these pans is that after cooking you cannot store food in them, you have to shift, and immediately wash and dry the pan.

[variety]

I bought the pots by Rondell, I'm very happy. ...

It would seem, well, why should Golder Electronics so hide information that the Rondell brand currently belongs to it and is related to Russia? Why is it only about the German origin of these dishes everywhere?

Since I had already thrown away my own packaging and certificates, I went into the store, climbed into the box with Rondell, took out a booklet and read this: "For all quality issues, contact Russia - Golder-Electronics LLC, Moscow, in Ukraine - Golder-Electronics LLC , Kiev, and also Rondell GmbH, Torstrasse 177, 10115, Berlin, Germany ". And where, variety, hidden information?

do they send to Russia?
Yes! I bought from us in Nizhny Novgorod, in the "Gardener" and "Roskhoztorg" stores, the price varies from 800 to 1100 rubles. I also saw cast-iron pans and pans covered with enamel there. There is, of course, our Russian cast iron, I don’t know how its quality is, but the appearance leaves much to be desired, I didn’t even want to take these pans into my hands.

[variety]

Since I had already thrown away my own packaging and certificates, I went into the store, climbed into the box with Rondell, took out a booklet and read this: "For all quality issues, contact Russia - Golder-Electronics LLC, Moscow, in Ukraine - Golder-Electronics LLC , Kiev, and also Rondell GmbH, Torstrasse 177, 10115, Berlin, Germany ". And where, variety, hidden information?

dopleta, you have Rondell dishes, now I understand why you defend it with such enthusiasm. And this suggests that you are completely satisfied with your dishes, which is great. Don’t worry, I, for example, do not evaluate the quality of the dishes themselves, I don’t have it, so I don’t presume to talk about the quality.I expressed my opinion specifically about the marketing policy of the manufacturer, and the fact is that Golder Electronics, like Vitek, First and many other companies owned by Russian capital, do not want to advertise this clearly, as if embarrassed ... Wherever tableware is sold Rondell, it is positioned as purely German, and not dishes produced by the Russian owner of the trademark using German technologies. Someone does not care whether a product is produced by a foreign company or a Russian owner, but using foreign technologies, for someone it will be a decisive factor when choosing a product, which is why I am talking about the transparency of information for the consumer. Well, some do not want to purchase goods produced by a company owned by a Russian business, albeit using foreign technologies! Give them, you see, a purely foreigner, without any admixture of Russian "blood"! But after all, scoundrels have the moral right to comprehensive information when choosing a product! And here, for example, everywhere in the trade network (price tags, advertising) Germany is declared the country of origin of Rondell dishes. That is, the advertising policy of Golder Electronics is based on the fact that the dishes are produced by a German company.
In my accompanying booklet, for example, to the Samsung vacuum cleaner, it is also indicated: "If you have any questions or problems related to Samsung products, please contact in Russia at the address: Moscow, Kosmodamianskaya nab ....". As a rule, in the documentation attached to the product as a contact legal entity. persons on the territory of the country the company representing the interests of the manufacturer in that country is indicated. It can be a representative office, and then the name will be consonant with the manufacturer's name. But it can be a general importer, distributor or official dealer, and then in the proposal on quality issues or other problems related to the products of a foreign manufacturer XXX, it will be indicated to contact, for example, Siren International LLC. From the booklet attached to the Rondell cookware, the offer to contact Golder Electronics LLC by the consumer can be regarded primarily as an offer to contact the company representing the interests of the Rondell cookware manufacturer in Russia. But this does not mean that Golder Electronics itself is the manufacturer of Rondell cookware. And, of course, it does not at all mean that Golder Electronics is a company with Russian capital (however, open declaration to the consumer of the country of origin of the company's capital is legally and not obligatory, which is what Russian owners of foreign brands play on). So in the legal sense it seems to be all right ... but in the moral .... Of course, I understand that with the current globalization, when many well-known Brands are owned by concerns of other countries, everything is relative, and there are very few “pure” Brands left. But still, as a potential consumer, I want as much clarity as possible.
But, in general, I just wanted to convey the information I have to those to whom it may be important when making a decision. I think that girls have a moral right to know as much as possible about the product they want to purchase.
AND, dopleta, nothing personal .... I offer peace and friendship

[dopleta]

dopleta, you have Rondell dishes, now I understand why you defend it with such enthusiasm.

No, from Rondell - one and only frying pan with a lid (Stern series), which I am very pleased with. The rest are expensive Wolls, also titanium coated. There are also a few with a ceramic coating that I am ready to throw away, because after several months of use, the coating has lost its non-stick properties. I threw out the Teflon ones. Therefore, there is something to compare with, and I can consider my assessment objective (as far as my own assessment can be considered objective). Until. I don't know what I'll say in a couple of months. After all, I liked the Coin very much at first.