Dishwasher selection (2)

And to my Ardo there was a protective tape, well, very doubtful. When the furniture maker was assembling the kitchen, he "shot" the countertop above the dishwasher with isover, it reflects like foil and does not allow the countertop to heat up. We made insulation in the corridor with this material.

I join the last two pages of "Ode to the Dishwasher"

And yet, due to his forgetfulness, the furniture maker made me a cabinet with shelves at the place where the PMM was built, although I warned that I had already ordered a dishwasher. And then my furniture arrives, and the furniture maker says himself - then I will make a curbstone out of this curbstone on wheels. The door was ordered additionally, and the countertop on the curbstone was made from a piece of the countertop, which was cut out for the sink. Now this curbstone (and how would I live without it), the keeper of the multicooker and meat grinder, when it is necessary to leave the pantry with the equipment.

Now this curbstone (and how would I have lived without it), the keeper of the multicooker and meat grinder, when it is necessary to leave the pantry with the equipment.

How lucky it was, wow
I have been planning such a curbstone on wheels for a long time (and preferably 2), but one that will fit under the table, I think we can do it ourselves.

[julifera]

How lucky it was, wow
I have been planning such a curbstone on wheels for a long time (and preferably 2), but such that it fits under the table, I think we can do it ourselves.

julifera , she just drives under the table, because she does not have a base, but only wheels. Here it is below.

Here I read and quietly rejoice. My PMM is not fully built-in, but simply built-in, that is, with a control panel on the facade. The table top is protected from below with a metal plate (included in the set to the PMM). 10years serve as PMM and no damage to the facade. ...

Visited the shopping center, felt the PMM. Impressions: 45 cm too narrow and deep, 45 cm minus 2-3 cm on each side, minus the basket fixing ... there is not so little space left. It's kind of cramped in her. I stuck my nose into the tabletop - good, spacious, but there is no sprinkler on the roof, I don't think this will have a positive effect on the quality of washing. And the big floor-standing ones, they uuuu ... a whole cupboard In general, after feeling / sniffing different typewriters, I did not see much difference between models for 10 thousand and for 25 thousand
I read topics about dishwashers, but a lot is written there. Tell us how much detergent (in rubles) does the machine eat for 1 wash? Eyes run out of choice

When I was choosing my dishwasher, they wrote to me on the forums that a dishwasher without a beam on the floor is junk, without another one - junk, without some other bells and whistles - junk.
We have a meager assortment in the shops of the city, Bosch wanted, but they are not delivered. I'm tired of thinking and choosing, I went and bought almost the cheapest dishwasher. My dishes are in it for 2 years, I am very satisfied, there are no complaints at all. (TTT) I once had a Vyatka washing machine, now Ardo. There is no final difference at all, they washed equally well. The point is then to buy expensive. There are, of course, such additional, fundamental functions, then yes, it makes sense to buy expensive equipment. I usually turn on my dishwasher at night. Clean, dry dishes in the morning.
I bought Minel tablets, 60 pieces cost about $ 5 (in Russia they are more expensive), I divide the tablet in half. Salt of the same company, 2 kg pack costs $ 2

Huyy, so this is generally a wash for a gift! Yesterday I spent almost 7 rubles of water + light + detergent on washing. And could at this time sit on the forum, dream of a new device

[Wasp]

I keep looking at the shelves in the store to see if Minel has run out. Because it is the cheapest, other types of detergents are 2 times more expensive.Now I always have 2 packs of tablets and 2 packs of salt in stock. So, just in case. Of course, you can't save enough for a lifetime, but ...
And you , Wasp , take the plunge and forward behind the dishwasher.

Yes, that's the problem, that they want to stop and reason with me, to save me, so to speak, from rash waste of money. So far I have found only 1 happy person in my city who has a dishwasher. We are in the minority. But I'm stubborn, if I decided to get a PMM, then I decided! And in the last week, philosophical thoughts about the meaning of life began to prevail: how much is your time worth? After all, time is the only resource that is spent equally by all people, but for different purposes.

These are the philosophical thoughts that should push you to buy. If I had been waiting for feedback from the owners with us, I would not have waited. Until now, I am the only owner among relatives and at work. In short, a potbelly stove. But I'm as happy as a tank

[Oca]

Oca I use a narrow one and do not notice any inconveniences. Better this PMM than none at all.
Detergents are difficult to calculate, the powder takes about 0.5 tbsp. l 10-15g per wash, packaging finish 2.5 kg ~ 600 rubles
rinse 400ml ~ 145 rubles is enough for about 6 months, salt 1.5kg ~ 100 rubles, I forgot when I fell asleep, a year for sure. Salt and rinse aid consumption is highly dependent on water hardness

With our water hardness, it takes me about 2 packs of salt per month. But then I forgot how it is to wash mountains of dishes for everyone.

[INDESIT DFG 2627]

I immediately found this one in my city on Yandex-Market INDESIT DFG 2627... And the price is up to 12 thousand. Indesit has not yet appeared in my house, so I cannot judge the quality. I am looking for more model analogs. Search parameters: Type =full-size, freestanding, Electricity consumption and Washing class = only A, Half load, Delay start, Soak, Intensive wash, Economy program, Express program (fast cycle), Height-adjustable basket - everything there is... As the search showed, PMMs with a smaller set of functions cost the same.

Once I read a forum on washers and PPMs, and there everything slipped the word Indezhut, at first I did not understand what it was, and then it came up - they call Indesit so much. Take a closer look at other manufacturers.

[Beko DSFN 6830 Extra]

Undezhut

this is anti-advertising! immediately interest disappears in this horror. Then my choice is narrowed down to Bekoshek and Boshey (they are Siemens). From the fact that not to drag from afar and at an exorbitant price, there was only one Beko DSFN 6830 Extra... According to the characteristics, everything is the same as that of the previous one, plus a quiet and with an automatic program (they promise that the powder itself will be poured). How bad it is to choose something for the first time ... eyes run wild!

[Oca]

Oca Beko is better, even better Electrolux-AEG

It seems that this bekoshka has a good set of programs, and the price is probably democratic.

[sazalexter]

Hello!! So I decided to write, just no longer have the strength to remain silent !!! First of all, I want to thank you all very much, everyone who is directly involved in the life of this forum, because it is thanks to you that I make the right choice more than once, please do not stop helping)))
Well, now on the topic: it was thanks to you that I chose my assistant this CENTURY DSFN 6830 Extra ....

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Here! What I was looking for! There is no point in rewriting, it’s better not to pick up words. So I’m putting a bold point! The opinion of members of the forum comes first, and since sazalexter spoke in favor, the more I take it! (secretly, it was with his submission that the "Bosch Cube" was started in the kitchen, the rest did not convincingly affect my 🔗)
The price is 14.5-17 thousand in the city, excluding delivery.

The last question: does it have to be connected to hot water or is it at my discretion? I have not seen this model alive, and it is often impossible to look in stores for a typewriter.

The last question: does it have to be connected to hot water or is it at my discretion? I have not seen this model alive, and it is often impossible to look in stores for a typewriter.

Rare equipment requires a connection to hot water, this PMM definitely requires a connection to cold water.

Thanks for the answer. Confused here is what: Connection parameters, Connection to hot water (up to ° C) 60 ° C I read the instructions, it does not really say about connecting a specific model, probably by default it will be necessary to screw it to cold water, and only if you want to - to warm water water. I have time until Monday to read about it

Curiously, this is what I found on the internet - a stone in the direction of Bosch: I am the owner of the PMM Bosch SMV69T10EU. After 2.5 years of operation, a sensor that is built into the recirculation pump has failed, and by which the PMM determines whether it has pumped out all the water.
The price of a new pump is about 6,000 rubles. According to the repairmen, this is a disease of all PMM Bosch of the new generation, which manifests itself every 2-3 years.
We would have left the float as in previous generations and the PMM would not have been demolished.

Boshiki look more than worthy in appearance, I now have a Bosch refrigerator (at the time of purchase it was the best price / quality ratio), but to be honest, the imperfections of the food processor were upset. The brand has gone bad ...

I have Siemens PMM, but when the master came, he said that it was necessary to connect only to cold water, as well as a washing machine (although there are two inputs - for cold and hot).

Almost all dishwashers and washing machines have a hot water connection. But all instructions do not recommend doing this.

[Oca]

Oca Hot, I don't recommend it. As a rule, its quality is worse than that of a cold one, and the machine will dry worse.

Everywhere they write, in any case, I clearly hacked it on my nose - hot water quickly spoils the PMM, it is better not to connect it.

[BEKO DIN 5833 Extra]

Just buying PMM, because of the expensive and bad hot water. And I also found a clone of this built-in model BEKO DIN 5833 Extra, it looks even more interesting and economical. I can even build it if I try! Sorry, but I still can't figure out if this model of a tap with only cold water will suffice?

[BEKO DIN 5833 Extra]

Sorry, but I still can't figure out if a cold tap will be enough for her? Just buying PMM, because of the expensive and bad hot water. And I also found a clone of this built-in model BEKO DIN 5833 Extra, it looks even more interesting and economical.

You need 1 cold connection and that's all - enough!
I have Beko 5831 - excellent convenient programs, even though it is 45 - you can wash baking sheets - I'm not overjoyed!

And tell me how the types of drying differ in the PPM. After the end of washing, it is imperative, preferably immediately, to open the door so that the dishes dry after washing and heating. And there are certainly some PPMs that do not need to be opened immediately.

girls .. and what is better ... (or even so .. advantages) built-in or freestanding?

I searched everything - I found a long silvery package in the instructions.

If it is a silver tape 45 cm long, then this is a sticker under the table - protection from steam.

[Wasp]

Wasp, visit your local aquarist site. They will tell you exactly how many German degrees the hardness of your local water is. SES and Vodokanal also issue this information. Aquarists will be more precise, since every experienced aquarist has both strips and chemicals to identify it.

everything, came to brag !!! I finally started using my dishwasher !!! URAAAAAA !!!
true, hands are still trying to wash the dishes under the tap ... how to deal with this? Or am I the only one?
but now I feel a difference in the quality of washing - the plates are already creaking after the dishwasher! but there are also shortcomings: the pan was not washed after the borscht, a strip remained stuck, I understand, there are no miracles in the world, but if only a couple of brushes were to be installed inside, or a couple of green men could be put in there ...
in general, congratulate me on my blue dream come true!
yes, I have this SMEG ST316L

Or put them obliquely so that the water does not linger.
Girls, I sincerely congratulate you on such an assistant!

I support both proposals! It's not about the settings, but about the installation of the dishes. Get used to it over time.

This is just at the beginning, Anya. And then you think how to put something bigger in the PMM so as not to wash it with your hands.

I turn it on once a day anyway. I tried to wash the aluminum filter from the hood in it, like new. On top of the pots, in the lower basket, periodically put a grate with gas. plates (I have it in two parts, just now I checked out this happiness), is also being washed slowly.

And from what the lattice, I have from some kind of metal, I do not know if it can be washed in the PMM.

In-in, I also want to wash the grate, I have already read earlier that it is being washed. Will it really clean off all the burnt drops of fat? It is enameled.

I have not enameled. The other day I was spinning bacon in a meat grinder, and so lazily I was washing it with my hands, I put it in the PMM. She was shiny, turned dark with divorces and she is only 3 months old

Yes, the meat grinder is the most disgusting washing unit for me, it's a pity that the meat grinder aluminum is nizya
I screwed up the garlic press, old, shovel, and I didn't even save the PMM gel, it's black now, it's disgusting to crush the garlic.

And my meat grinder has been washing normally since Soviet times.

Soviet meat grinders are galvanized, and modern ones are aluminum.

I have a meat grinder since Soviet times, I washed a couple of spare parts from it in the dishwasher - they turned black. The enamelled grates from the gas stove are well cleaned.

I have cast-iron grills on the hob - is the dishwasher okay with them?

I have cast-iron grills on the hob - is the dishwasher okay with them?

I did soap, he is good friends, and the filters are also super clean from the hood

[Svetik]

I have cast-iron grills on the hob - is the dishwasher okay with them?

Svetik, in fact, PMM is not at all friends with cast iron.

[Svetik]

I did soap, he is good friends, and the filters are also super clean from the hood

great! though everything still smells new to me shit I won't get dirty soon, but as soon as I mature, I'll put it in the dishwasher! what happiness it is !!!
oops ...

Svetik, in fact, PMM is not at all friends with cast iron.

so friendly or not? I just don't have time to figure it out ...

[Svetik]

Svetik, in fact, PMM is not at all friends with cast iron.

He may not be on friendly terms with pans, but he washes well from the stove, I have a Kaiser stove with cast iron gratings, it washes well.

He may not be on friendly terms with pans, but he washes well from the stove, I have a Kaiser stove with cast iron gratings, it washes well.

The question is not whether it launders or not. And the fact that rust can appear. It is written on the pans that it is impossible in the PMM. If there is no such prohibition in the instructions for your grilles, then .....

I go to this Temko, I read, I envy.
Could you tell me, happy owners of PMM, does there exist (or maybe anyone has) if PMM is 40cm wide?
There is no other place how to squeeze into an existing kitchen. Already I looked at the desktop, felt - well, nothing.
And the dream lives on

The question is not whether it launders or not. And the fact that rust can appear. It is written on the pans that it is impossible in the PMM. If there is no such prohibition in the instructions for your grilles, then .....

There is another alloy of cast iron in pans and in grates, they even differ in appearance

I go to this Temko, I read, I envy.
Could you tell me, happy owners of PMM, does there exist (or maybe anyone has) if PMM is 40cm wide?
There is no other place how to squeeze into an existing kitchen. Already I looked at the desktop, felt - well, nothing.
And the dream lives on

I have not met for more than 45 cm.

What are wider than 60 cm PMM read, but now 45 cm

[julifera, Sandy, Creamy!]

So yes, I drove it on the links.
There are plenty of people thirsty for a width of 40-41 cm, but there are no market offers
Narrowest 44.6cm

julifera, Sandy, Creamy! Girls thank you
Well, let's wait, we can come up with something manufacturers