Dishwasher selection (2)

And yet, I notice that the powder works as an abrasive for me. It is clearly visible on enamel bowls. We should probably take the gel. They say on the forum that even aluminum is washed with it, and it does not darken.

Could powder scratches be right on the enamel bowls?

Gel will probably be expensive too. In our city there is no choice, only in one store, and only Finish, salt, tablets and powder. I just want to buy pills just in case. And in a month my car ate all the salt, for 3 times now without salt, I'll go buy it on Sunday. Where would I buy a big bag of salt to make it cheaper?

Wow, salt consumption I ate 2 kg in a year
Salt consumption for 3 out of 5, went to 4, rearrange ...

She herself can be shocked so quickly because the salt is fine

Is salt consumption regulated in Veko too? I don't remember something ...

I think salt should be regulated in all brands

Could powder scratches be right on the enamel bowls?

I think according to Stanislavsky.
What is this fine stone powder or something .. Or submachine cockroaches inside ..

And yet, I notice that the powder works as an abrasive for me.

Maybe there is something wrong with the powder? (Expiry date, manufacturer?) I used Somat for three months. On New Year's holidays I washed a bunch of glass, crystal and did not notice the abrasive properties of the powder.

Is salt consumption regulated in Veko too? I don't remember something ...

Yes, it is regulated, but there is such a complex scheme, everything is written in the instruction manual!

I have been using Somat for several years. Excellent powder. Excellent rinse aid. No abrasive. I bought it in various places, at different times of the year, using it for several years I will say that it washes wonderfully !!! Abrasive, and even on bowls - this cannot be. Can the powder be burnt, eh?

14appa08 Anya, we are from the same city. : hi: I called the water utility about the hardness of the water in our city. We have the hardest water according to the table, which is in the annotation to the machine. My son immediately set the consumption of salt to the highest, but she became so sorry to eat salt, I had to fill up a pack almost every week. In the end I got tired of it and asked to change the flow rate. Out of 7 we put it on 5. I asked my friends, almost all left the factory settings.

And I don't like somat either. Washes poorly. Before that, I took a finish, everything was washed perfectly. Maybe the rocker arms are clogged, you need to check. Or maybe the powder is left.

Good evening everyone! I couldn't wait to fill the machine with dirty dishes, after the last wash, if anyone remembers, the result was not very good. So, in the evenings at night they turn off the water, but on my ground floor it still continues to flow, but the pressure is already weak. The machine draws water anyway.

What do you think, if the water pressure is weak, the machine can take less water than it needs and, as a result, poorly wash the dishes? Today I washed with the same somat and on the same car program. everything was washed well as before, and the machine is not greasy.

Scorpio
I am terribly sorry and it is completely unclear why such different results .. Maybe the powder is still burned and the grains are much worse dissolve. Maybe a lot of powder? And I read there are complaints about the somat and the finish. I have both powders. I have glasses with the same coating as in the topic you mentioned for a girl with a salad bowl, where the paint has washed off. I have 6 glasses, mine for over 3 years. No scratches, no paint erasure. Honest pioneer, I'm not lying. I wash in different modes, so it's not about the modes.My different powder, and last year ONLY Somat. Finish tablets. In half a year, the shelf life of the tablets will expire. But they do not become harder with a long time ago, but rather softer. Are there chemists here - tell me the correctness of the reasoning.
The dishes are always washed clean. The exception is a fork in dried sourdough .. In the morning I use a fork and in the afternoon. The leaven is thick, and I put a fork in the PMM out of habit, and sometimes 3-4 mm of the leaven remains on the fork. This is if the mode is 30 minutes. Everything else is well washed off with a regime of 30 minutes. I follow the rule that pills are not designed for a 30 minute regimen, and I use them in regimes of an hour or more ..
Eh, where there used to be Pmushki, when in Soviet times it was possible to kill with pans
My machine shows when there is no salt, when there is no rinse aid, maybe this is some kind of guarantee of successful washing?
If it's not about the water, not about the modes, then the left powder, clogged nozzles and the machine itself remain ...

I think that regardless of the water pressure, the machine draws the required amount of water and only then starts washing ..
Have you corrected the salt flow sensors?
And today we remembered that the first times three or four dishes were slightly oily. But first we poured the rinse aid, and it spilled a little from the cell into the PPM .. Then, they will go down 3-4 times, without doing anything and without changing the rinse aid, we already got a good result. The new machine can be washed .. After all, hoses and other connections are involved ..
In general, something like that ..

[Shurshun]

Shurshun,
Yes, it seems to be a normal package. barcode - everything is as it should be, and the person selling it is familiar.

Our water is artesian, not very hard, salt at 3, rinse aid at 2. Previously, I put salt at 2, rinse at 1 was also washed normally, when the factory settings were 4 and 4, the dishes were slippery, so I reduced the rinse aid.

Another thought crept in today, maybe at that time I did not push the upper basket tightly to the back wall, and there was no good contact. And I checked it today.

That's exactly a dance with a tambourine near this car. Until you put everything right, you will play enough Tetris. Poorly washed, wash, while no one sees. My husband says to me, you would wash it yourself a long time ago, you put that much. But I don't want to run a half-empty car, not economically.

[Scorpio]

Until you put everything right, you will play enough Tetris.

Scorpio , In fact - to put it right - 90% of success. We even have a separate topic How to place dishes in the PMM
Yesterday I had a lot of dishes .. I really tried so hard, so I laid .. but anyway, 3 plates with food leftovers.

would you wash yourself long ago

Well, no longer !!! It doesn't bother me to put them in the machine again.

An acquaintance is not a guarantee of success, like any store .. He, too, may not know. There are fake workshops .. I read here and realized that I was either lucky, libaliba ..
Tetris is my talent, I pack my bags and suitcases in such a way that then you can fill up and equip the room from this suitcase
I "tetris" the machine according to logic, so as not to obstruct the washing and rinsing jets. But I didn’t learn this, somehow .. I, for example, put a bowl, on top of a larger diameter but at an angle, and on top, suppose a 12-liter flask from an airfryer .. Everything is clean. When I was interested in how well the machine washes, I opened the doors before the drying began and looked that everything was clean.

[Shurshun]

Shurshun,


That's exactly a dance with a tambourine near this car. Until you put everything right, you will play enough Tetris. Poorly washed, wash, while no one sees. My husband says to me, you would wash it yourself a long time ago, you put that much. But I don't want to run a half-empty car, not economically.

Over time, experience will come and everything will fit almost automatically for you, select the necessary settings for water hardness, salt consumption, rinse aid, etc. .. You will find the salt and detergent that is right for you. At first, I was also so upset and afraid to tell my husband about my doubts and anxiety about the dishwasher, about the quality of dishwashing.Somewhere here there are posts where I also asked for advice a year ago. Then I adjusted all the parameters in the car, it also turned out that I was pouring a lot of powder for washing, and I almost halved the rate. I found suitable tablets and the machine washes perfectly now. (TTT)

I am also going to buy a Bosh dishwasher, possibly built-in, but I want to buy it now, and order a kitchen set and, accordingly, a facade for it a little later. How to make it when it is temporarily connected so that it does not fall? Someone on the forum wrote that he had a car for 2 years without an installation.

When you open the door, support the dishwasher with your hand, then it will not fall. And don't lean on the open dishwasher door

Please help me make a choice: BEKO DIN 5833 Extra or Bosch SGV 43E43? I would like to read the reviews of specific owners of these models, if any here. Unsubscribe, please, there is no time to master more than 40 pages. And if there has already been about these models, please, post a link, who will not be bothered.

Sorry, I don't have a dishwasher, but since no one is answering you, maybe a couple of my words will help you. While I was dreaming about an assistant, I re-read many messages here. From my own conclusions, in a nutshell, I can say the following: both cars wash well, Beko is generally a favorite in this thread because of the price-quality ratio. Bosch washes perfectly, but now they are made with one difference: all the main components and assemblies are placed in one monolithic block. Therefore, if suddenly something happens to the machine (this is of course a rarity for Bosch, but any equipment breaks down), then during the warranty period you will have to wait for months for a replacement, since Bosch's service department does not have spare parts in service centers, they are taken almost from Germany, and after the warranty period, if a breakdown occurs, the repair will cost like an almost new machine. This is the only complaint about Bosch, except for the price. Therefore, you choose.
In terms of functions, I think it will not be so difficult to decide on the choice, all the same, the main thing is to decide on the manufacturer. I am not familiar with the models you indicated, but the general opinion is usually as follows: if the machine is 60 cm wide, then it would be good to have a half load function, if less, then this function is not so in demand. It's good if the machine has the ability to put baking sheets, a good function is a beam on the floor, it is needed to determine the end of the sink, it can be sound if you do not put a sink at night or if there is good sound insulation. For the convenience of the arrangement of the baskets, both machines had positive reviews. Like everything I knew)

Raisin, I understand that I will not help you in choosing, I did not go into the topic. I bought in November last year VEKO DIN 5833 (insert). I have never regretted it yet! I have no experience of communicating with other brands, so I can say: with a price-quality ratio, the thing is very worthy! The dishes are washed well, despite the fact that we always use the hour program. It happens that the rim on the pan is not washed, but after the machine it softens and wipes off with a bang. Soaps, baking sheets, pans, grates from the hob - I did not put baking trays, but laid them down. I really don't like how plastic dishes dry, but in my opinion, this is the case in many machines. Rest assured, you've made a good choice! Let your hands rest!

Yesterday at night I started the machine (eco 50 degrees). Opened it in the morning. Some dishes are dry and some are damp. The inside of the car is absolutely all wet, as if it had just been doused. And the description says turbo-drying ?! Or is it not present in all programs, or is it a malfunction? If anyone knows, tell me!

plastic dishes can stay wet .. and first you need to wash it on the standard program, eco - it is somewhat specific ..
the machine may well be wet, only the dishes should be dry.
Well, you need to adjust the rinse aid ..

And exactly - turbo drying, because I read it - condensation, descriptions on sites can not be trusted in instructions, what is written?

The instructions say that if there is a turbo dryer on the right wall, there is a hole for hot air at the level of the upper basket, in my PMM it is. Today I will try another program and listen, it seems to me that if this turbo dryer works, it will be heard that the machine is not yet built in, it’s worth it.

Half-forum in the know - Aunt Basia is going to make repairs in the kitchen
Hence the question: I now have a Kaiser stove, to say that I am happy with it is to say nothing! I'm super happy with her. I climbed on the Kaiser's website to look after myself now a set of installation, and there dishwashers are presented .. For me, as a deep, downright terry provincial woman, it is more profitable to buy everything in one place with general delivery through the transport, but Kaiser did not hear anything about PMM, not a single one review ..
Girls, does anyone have such PMM? Or shouldn't you be smart and buy the battle-tested Bosch? Only I still have to take it by mail order, we can't buy a decent model ...

Someone wrote that the Kaiser had inconvenient baskets in relation to the previous typewriter ..

And at the expense of buying in one place: it did not work out for me. If the stove is cheaper in one store, the hood is more expensive, etc. I bought 4 units of equipment for my kitchen at the same time, but in different stores. True, delivery to me in Kiev is free ...

Half-forum in the know - Aunt Basia is going to make repairs in the kitchen
Hence the question: I now have a Kaiser stove, to say that I am happy with it is to say nothing! I'm super happy with her. I climbed onto the Kaiser's website to look for an installation kit for myself, and there dishwashers are presented .. For me, as a deep, downright terry provincial woman, it is more profitable to buy everything in one place with general delivery through the transport, but Kaiser did not hear anything about PMM, not a single one review ..
Girls, does anyone have such PMM? Or shouldn't you be smart and buy the battle-tested Bosch? Only I still have to take it by mail order, we can't buy a decent model ...

God forbid to make such a mistake! Wool the internet! Let the stove work pah-pah and the PMM should be taken from adequate firms. Beko ... maybe .. better than AEG, Bosch / Siemens

God forbid to make such a mistake! Wool the internet! Let the stove work pah-pah and the PMM should be taken from adequate firms. Beko ... maybe .. better than AEG, Bosch / Siemens

Here's how to understand? Kaiser -figna?
Well then, Bosch .. only everyone praises him! Sasha, how can I install whose assembly on the Internet? They write everywhere "the country of origin Germany", but it will come with the tag "made in China"

Here's how to understand? Kaiser -figna?
Well then, Bosch .. only everyone praises him! Sasha, how can I install whose assembly on the Internet? They write everywhere "the country of origin Germany", but it will come with the tag "made in China"

Elena! Many stores honestly write to the manufacturer, for example, Refrigerator and Order24, you can clarify the model, its manufacturer's catalog number and easily buy, as a rule, one model is riveted in one country. As an option, look at the nameplate on the PMM in the store, then order it on the Internet.

Some time ago, in search of a dishwasher, I looked through all the messages and reviews about them and about the manufacturers. And it was on our forum that I read bad reviews from the owners of Kaiser dishwashers, from some of the old and permanent forum participants.

[Aunt Besya,]

Aunt Besya, Sasha is right! A dishwasher is a more complex unit than a stove, so it breaks more easily. You need to take a reliable manufacturer!

Half-forum in the know - Aunt Basia is going to make repairs in the kitchen
Hence the question: I now have a Kaiser stove, to say that I am happy with it is to say nothing! I'm super happy with her. I climbed onto the Kaiser's website to look for an installation kit for myself,

Do you mind changing the stove? A friend has been tested in battles ...

I have an electrolux, very happy, noiseless, washes clean

Yesterday at night I started the machine (eco 50 degrees). Opened it in the morning. Some dishes are dry and some are damp. The inside of the car is absolutely all wet, as if it had just been doused.And the description says turbo-drying ?! Or is it not present in all programs, or is it a malfunction? If anyone knows, tell me!

: girl_manikur: after washing, for good drying, you need to open the door, the dishes will dry after turbo-drying - read the instructions

Girls and boys are PMM users. I am pleased to announce that I am ready to join your ranks, but the torment of choice ...: o There is not a lot of money - we are buying an apartment, well, all the resulting expenses are ahead. We chose the built-in El Fresco EDW-452B. The reviews seem to be quite good, not a few of them, and there are a lot of us on the forum. Who used it? I would like to listen to information so to speak "from relatives"

[Zhenya]

Zhenya, is such a model worth considering?

Bosch SPV 69 T 00 RU


(reviews: 2) 21950 RUB


Basic information:
Number of crockery sets: 10
Management: electronic
Washing class: A
Drying class: A
Energy class: A-20%
Noise level: 44 dB

Programs:
6 wash programs, including 3 automatic programs:
Auto 35-45
Auto 45-65
Auto 65-75
Eco 50
Rapid 45
Pre-rinse

Additional functions:
VarioSpeed: this function saves up to 50% of time with consistently excellent wash performance at full load
1/2 load
IntensiveZone: a function that activates a special zone in the lower basket for washing heavily soiled items with mixed loads
Hygiene: special function in which the last rinse is performed with hot water

Security systems:
Digital display
Start timer 24h
Time display until the end of the program
Electronic indicators for salt and rinse aid
Acoustic signal for the end of the program
InfoLight
AquaSensor
Load sensor
Automation "3 in 1"
Regeneration electronics
Variable water technology
Condensing Dryer / Heater
VarioDrawer: additional third loading level
DosageAssist: optimizes the dissolution process for each of the detergent components at each stage of the program
Height-adjustable top basket: Rackmatic-3
VarioFlex Plus boxes
ServoSchloss
Instantaneous water heater combined with a pump
DuoPowerTM - double rotating rocker arm in the upper basket
5 levels of water supply
Tray attachment: Ideal for cleaning trays and other large items
Height adjustable legs: 60 mm

Consumption parameters: 9l / 0.81 kWh
Niche dimensions for embedding: 81.5-87.5x45x57.3 cm
Specifications Bosch SPV 69 T 00 RU:
Dimensions (HxWxD) (cm)
81.5x44.8x57.3
Capacity (sets)
10
Number of programs
6
Washing temperature (° C)
75/65/45/35
Pre-rinse
there is
Intensive wash
there is
Quick wash
there is
Delicate wash
there is
Auto program
there is
Automation "3 in 1"
there is
Aquasensor
there is
Aquastop
there is
Control Panel
hidden
Control
electronic
Timer
there is
Display
there is
Program progress indication
there is
Rinse aid indicator
there is
Salt indicator
there is
Half load
there is
Washing in the upper basket
no
Drying type
condensing
Water heater
flowing
Shutdown signal
acoustic + beam on the floor
Child protection
there is
Leakage protection
there is
Energy efficiency / washing / drying class
A ++ / A / A
Noise level (dB)
44
Warranty
1 year
Manufacturer country
Germany

[Zhenya]

Zhenya, is such a model worth considering?

I have great respect for the top models of Bosch Siemens dishwashers.

A good machine, I have practically a Siemens analog for two weeks washing Siemens - SR 66 T 090 RU.

[Aunt Besya]

Aunt Besya, an excellent machine I have almost the same (in terms of functionality), only 60 cm and 13 sets, it has been washing great for almost 4 years.
Love the VarioSpeed ​​function

[Zhenya]

Zhenya, is such a model worth considering?

Good model IMHO

Hello everyone! And I have this Hotpoint-Ariston LSF 835 WH, I'm very happy with it, and inexpensive

: girl_manikur: after washing, for good drying, you need to open the door, the dishes will dry after turbo-drying - read the instructions

It was not possible to do just that, because I start the car wash at night, I leave for work early in the morning.And just at this time, the "small energizer" (one-year-old granddaughter) wakes up, and on the contrary, everything must be closed from her, as best as possible (we watched the cartoon about Masha and the bear? One to one). This afternoon I loaded the car (while the child was asleep), after rinsing something in it was noisy, you see it was drying. After the signal, I opened it, the dishes were hot and dry, and the whole PMM inside was wet, I left it to dry. The quality of the sink is good, so far I like everything. I use pills, because only they were in the nearest store.

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Aunt Besya, excellent machine Excellent! I have almost the same (in terms of functionality), only 60 cm and 13 sets, has been washing great for almost 4 years.
Love the VarioSpeed ​​function
Cvetaal Svetlana, but do not tell me what this function is? I have such a button in my typewriter, but I don't know anything about it.

[Kaiser]

I already wrote in this thread, at my friend Kaiser... For 3 years of operation, it broke 5 times!

I have an electrolux with turbo drying

[How important is 1/2 load in a full size PMM?]

NELP !!!
How important is 1/2 load in a full size PMM?
We are still 2 people in the family, sometimes three (when the mother-in-law arrives)

I have already chosen, today I was going to order, I called to clarify, but there is no 1/2 download ... I was upset ... I was running out of money ..
Originally wanted Bosch SGS 46E52 EU
then we decided that we would take Ariston 517, but it did not contain half the load ...
My head is already swelling with information, again I return to Bosch, but my husband, you see, does not like the design

[How important is 1/2 load in a full size PMM?]

NELP !!!
How important is 1/2 load in a full size PMM?

It doesn't matter at all, you load the PMM "to failure" then wash everything, just buy an additional set of plates, spoons, etc.

It doesn't matter at all, load the PMM "to failure" then wash everything, just buy an additional set of plates, spoons, etc.

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I don't have so many dishes

if only my husband participated in the choice ... otherwise there is no one to even talk / discuss with .. so he only looks at the design, and does not want to load the rest