Dishwasher selection (2)

[at the same time]

on the first photo given by me - 2 (two) baking sheets; on the second - 2 (two) trays + 1 (one) wire rack + 4 (four) filters ...

I have no examples from life when I at the same time soiled such a lot of informal dishes.))

[at the same time]

at the same time soiled a lot of unformatted dishes

therefore, these attachments are not relevant for all owners of full-size cars

I have no examples from life when I would at the same time stain such a lot of non-formatted dishes.))

I do not have it either))) Although this nozzle came with my narrow PMM, I used it once a year according to the principle, in order to know how it works. I washed 2 baking trays and 2 gas stove racks at a time. I don't need it anymore and is lying around somewhere, although at first it seemed that oh, as a necessary thing, but in fact - self-indulgence! After baking, it is easier to rinse baking trays with your hands, after baking only one and throw it on top of other dishes, the lattices from the stove are the same. The grates and baking trays at the same time have never gotten dirty, to sit and wait with dirty grates while I poke the baking sheets, or vice versa, I don’t want to, pull out the upper basket and drive a whole dishwasher for the sake of 2 items.

easier to rinse with your hands

it's not the same for everybody. it’s easier for me to put it in the dishwasher, but my machine is compact, the stove is small and there is no hood, that is, everything fits like that. But for washing the previous, full-size gas stove, where the entire top was removed and there were large baking sheets (and what a wonderful gas oven it had!), A full-size PMM and this nozzle would be relevant.

it's not the same for everybody. it's easier for me to put it in the dishwasher,

Here, probably, a lot depends on the degree of contamination of these baking trays, they are practically clean after baking. Perhaps even someone like that would not wash at all)))) Therefore, I do not see the point of shoving them into the PMM, I quickly rinsed them with water under the tap and that's it. But after all sorts of zapikanok already only in my typewriter. So, I generally prefer to wash everything in a typewriter, for this, after all, they took it.

[milvok]

milvok, I have this - Hansa ZIM636EH. 60 cm for 14 sets. BUT! The delayed start has only 3 positions - at 3, 6 or 9 o'clock. No ray on the floor - quietly squeaks at the end. There are no separate rinsing programs, only 6 preset programs: intensive 65 g, normal 55 g, eco 45 g 2 hours 45 minutes, glass 2 hours, short with drying 1 hour, short without drying 40 minutes. The last rinse water is always 60 g. this is necessary for quality drying. Relatively inexpensive. But for better drying, you must manually open the door after the end of the program.

But for better drying, you must manually open the door after the end of the program.

I'll tell you more: in our house the PMM door is closed tightly only when it is working. The rest of the time between the door and the case, at the top center, a mitten / mitten / tack is placed so that there is a meager gap for air circulation. Therefore, we have long forgotten what unpleasant odors are in PMM ... And since PMM works for us at least once a day, potential dusting of the PMM insides is not a problem at all ...

Oh, after the end of the program, steam comes out of the typewriter, it seems to me
So the furniture will peel off all.
We must wait for the cooling.

[Twig]

Twig, the steam from the PMM does not knock down, the furniture does not peel off, despite the fact that there are still periodically hovering thermopots and a multicooker-pressure cooker nearby.

Oh, after the end of the program, steam comes out of the typewriter, it seems to me
So the furniture will peel off all.
We must wait for the cooling.

Now many manufacturers have introduced this feature - auto-opening of the door for drying immediately after the end of the program. In general, the people like it and many are actively campaigning for this function. But some quite rightly notice that nearby furniture is covered with perspiration and sometimes even deteriorates. Furniture, of course, is different. And the exposition too.)))

I don't have such an option and I definitely don't need it, because our climate is never dry anyway.)) The car also always stands with the door leaning against it, and so the thick fiberboard tabletop over it frankly swelled over many years. Well, the walls of the curbstone seem to be unlike new ones for a long time - whitish microcracks have gone along the edges.
At the same time, the sink is only for the night and the car opens almost cold.

Gotta wait to cool

yes, if only because the dishes are hot, it is not convenient to take them out.
And there is no obvious steam, the drying has already passed. But there can be condensation from the temperature drop.

In my instructions for the PMM, it is written as follows:

[Irsha]

Irsha, I take out the dishes after cooling, I open the door immediately so that the condensate does not settle on it again, otherwise there will be traces of drops. And our climate is terribly dry, despite the huge reservoir, additional moisture will not hurt.

[Bijou]

Bijou, yes, - each has its own nuances ... We have a free-standing PMM, not under the table top yet. Therefore, we can afford to open and keep ajar as we like and whenever we like. For installation - you definitely need to follow the recommendations ...

Only you because of allergies and asthma, and I because of the septic tank, where no aggressive chemistry can be poured: the crocozables are dying!))

Wax, Nat, I now wash everything with this toothpaste.
Sinks, toilet bowls. Now I washed the shower.
The toothpaste dissolves soap deposits at once.
A 20p tube for two bathrooms and still remains.
The smell is mint, I don't choke, Can you like the septic tank too?

[OlgaGera]

OlgaGera, but the hell! I put some perforated pearl, I think, in a tank. What he was, so he remained.

By the way, my daughter tried to teach me to clean everything with toothpaste for a long time. Having learned this life hack from the Internet.) Keep in mind that it can clean not only dirt - it is abrasive, removes a lot of the surface layer from something ... My daughter made her mother pleasant and cleaned the light countertop from specks. Together with the picture on the plastic.)))

I have not reached the countertop yet))))
I don't know, Len. I'm happy so far. So as not to breathe chemistry.

The indicator lit up that the salt ran out, fell asleep, almost the entire pack, like the first time. It burns again the next day, again I slept, today it burns again. After all, the first time a pack of salt was enough for a month. Although I don't remember exactly how much salt I fell asleep. But, this time it poured until the water was already displaced from there. Is it possible that something has broken, why does it not show that the salt is filled up, more precisely, when it fell asleep it goes out, and the next day it lights up again. Has anyone faced such a problem? PMM BOSH smv 23AX00R | 48

And again about salt. When adding salt, you need to stir it in the tank in order to accelerate the dissolution of salt in water, then the indicator will not light. In my dishwasher, granular or powdered salt is preferred. The instructions on the tableted account say: do not use salts containing insoluble substances in the machine, for example, tableted salt. (!!! Why is it in a series of insoluble, translation like that?), Explaining that the performance of the water softening system may decrease, with all resulting ...

When adding salt, you need to stir it in the tank in order to accelerate the dissolution of salt in water, then the indicator will not light.

It is necessary to prevent it so that it will fit more and the granules will definitely hit the line of the optical sensor.

Why dishwasher manufacturers are so up in arms against tableted salt, no one can understand. Because this salt is designed to soften water with exactly the same resins as in the dishwasher.There is nothing insoluble there, and even if there is, then this is of little relevance if we compare the amount of "foreign substances" from salt with those substances that are contained in our water. And the ion exchanger first of all dies (clogged without the possibility of cleaning at home) from the iron content in the water - it is not displaced by a saline solution, unlike calcium, and the resin sooner or later loses its exchange capacity to almost zero.

Why dishwasher manufacturers are so up against tableted salt

Perhaps the configuration of the saline compartment is such that the tablets cannot fit tightly there and provide the required concentration of saline ...
Well, and, as always, it's easier to prohibit than to change the configuration of the compartment ... And decisions are often taken not by those who are "in the subject" and "are sick of the case" ...

[Kapet]

For example, we use a PMM cleaner at home about once every 3-4 years, and even then, it is stupid for prophylaxis, since we do not have any special prerequisites for cleaning, such as smell or plaque, - the water is softened , the machine is set for soft water.

Kapet, Constantin, but do not tell me what is your PMM?

I have PMM Flavia, too, there are no problems with odors and plaque. But for prevention we do cleaning.

I recently bought a Fornelli pmm, before they only had ovens and cookers, but now there are also dishwashers. So far, I like everything very much. Nothing leaks, dishes shine, does not smell of chemistry.

I have Bosch, but as soon as the warranty expired, the ten flew, but it costs a lot!

I have

you would, your specific model, indicate ...

Members of the forum, advise, the built-in narrow dishwasher interests. Mine is probably completely broken, if not repaired, I will have to buy a new one

[Olga]

Olga, Nowadays all equipment, lottery. Look towards the leading manufacturers of garbage cans, such as Electrolux / AEG, Bosch

In, I saw such a compact one from Haier. I don't know anything about her, nothing about her, but it's beautiful, I just visually liked it, I decided to bring it to you. It costs about 30 (!!) thousand. Into the refrigerator. I saw ru in white, however, version. It's interesting how it looks live.

With our St. Petersburg water is definitely not buzzing. I have yellow-rusty smudges, not strong in 15 years, but there are.
And the bevel, I wonder, does not reduce the volume of the dishwasher?

[Marfusha81]

Marfusha81,

I think it makes it smaller, but for some it is convenient, because visually there is no such volumetric "coffin" on the tabletop and you don't cling to the corners, they simply do not exist. Requests and the amount of space, the ergonomics of the kitchen are different for everyone. Probably a perfectly suitable option for a married couple, nothing more.

[Olga]

interested in a built-in, narrow dishwasher

Olga, I have a Bosch SPV53M10EU, built-in, 45 cm.Daily operated since November 2014. No complaints.

[Deer pussy]

Deer pussy, I have BOSH, I'm happy

An interesting machine, I even thought where I should attach it in the country, but it costs something cool 29 tons.

Tell me, please, there is a choice between AEG (there is no Rinse program) and Siemens (there is no Door Opener function at the end of the programs) ...

What can be painlessly neglected, and what cannot be done without? This is my first PMM, so I have no idea about the need for this or that ...

door opener function at the end of programs

What do they write: how does it work?

I have BOSH, I'm happy
+1

And I have Bosch. A good unit, even excellent. But I don't use it for many years, almost. As the children moved out, so many dishes are gone, but still a lot of water goes away. And I'll wash two plates with the handles.

What do they write: how does it work?

Katyusha, this is "the new AirDry technology uses natural airflow for drying. The dishwasher opens the door 10 cm in the last part of the cycle. The natural way to get maximum drying efficiency while effectively reducing energy costs."

According to them, the dishes are always dry, even plastic, and nothing is "steamed" ...

[bnb]

bnb,

I think that it is quite possible to do without opening the door. Moreover, then your tabletop is also at risk if it is not properly prepared under a wave of hot steam. I have a fourth car, it was already with the opening of the door (the countertop is a stone and with a reflector, the previous ones swelled even without the opening function))), the other three were without and I did not suffer)). The rinsing program is more needed so that a not completely clogged car does not "sour" there with food residues on the plates or does not dry out. Here I use it periodically.

PS: be sure to attach the supplied steam reflector to the tabletop and silicone it so that it does not become clear later. that everything was swollen.

Here Nata wrote everything right, absolutely straight

There is no Rinse program

Absolutely not a necessary program. It is no coincidence that the leading company does not have one, it is much more interesting the ultra silence mode to wash at night, plus automatic programs

I have a Bosch (now not new, but from the top models), so in all programs a preliminary rinse is required, except for a short program for 30 minutes at 45 degrees, although there is a separate Rinse

I practically do not use rinsing. But somehow it turns out that the dishes in the car do not lie for days. While I'm cooking - the mountain is forming, then we ate, I present the plates-forks and immediately start the machine.
I would not need opening either, I just put the raw plastic bowls on a dry towel on the table, they dry out there. Why do I need extra steam and humidity in the kitchen.

Absolutely not a necessary program. It is no coincidence that the leading company does not have it,

I like such categorical statements)). Not needed for you? I need. Not so often, but I use it. If I choose between automatic door opening and rinsing, I will choose rinse. I wash the dishes in a full-size PMM 2 (!!) times a day, stuffing it with a jam)). I cook a lot, my family is big. Sometimes it is not typed the second time. I leave it loaded at half or a third all night. Drive the car half empty and reluctant to waste money and water. In this case, I usually rinse (I also drip with Fae, as with the main wash)) and leave it closed. There are no terrible smells in it by morning and everything is soaked, because after rinsing, the drying does not turn on and the dishes stand in drops in a closed chamber.

Which presenter doesn't have it? Electrolux has it, Bosch has it, Mille has it.

I remember when I was choosing a PMM for myself a few years ago, sales consultants categorically did not recommend me either a washing machine or an AEG dishwasher.

washing machine or dishwasher AEG.

Interestingly, and the reason was not named? Aeg has worked for us for more than 15 years, now Atlant and I just dream of replacing it with Aeg

much more interesting is the ultra silence mode

I have it in the new Beko. Lasts as much as 4.5 hours and it is not clear what the temperature is. Until I realized how interesting he is to me

I need.

And me!
There are two of us. My dishes, sometimes, every two days. And Rinsing saves a lot. Again with fairies))) Klaasno
And here is the machine. opening, I would have thought. For what?
This is from a series - the machine itself would put the dishes in place.
I'm in favor of rinsing

I have a quick wash in the garbage, without drying, it is not in demand at all. I already answered once, I fill the car almost to a full state, I do not rinse the dishes, I have nothing to do with water and electricity, let the iron dustbin wash it, smells don’t bother me, as in the joke: You don’t need to smell the raisins, You must learn the Izzy door opening function , very interesting, since plastic containers do not dry out even with active drying, you sometimes have to get up at night and open the door after washing.

no AEG washing machine or dishwasher.

Tin! I have been living in the world for a long time, but I never cease to be amazed at our shops and sellers, although yes, China must be sold too

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, V-tina, they are officials, this is a store and a service center, they have an agreement with many companies, including Bosch-Siemens, Atlant, etc. They said that there are problems with repairs, there are often problems with the pump. AEG ovens and hobs were praised, but anything related to water was not recommended. And I bought a lot of equipment from them according to their recommendations, there is no point in deceiving me.
The technique that was produced 15 years ago is of a completely different quality.

that there are problems with repairs, I often have problems with the pump

Got it, thanks. Yes, it is clear that the quality is different now, but you cannot order your heart)) And the problem here is to buy something that is not Belarusian, Russian or Ukrainian assembly ... )