Dishwasher selection (2)

[ludmila_27.79]

ludmila_27.79,

Mille descaler consists of one lemon)). It is intended for both PMM and washers. Only the second agent (but it is not from scale) - contains all sorts of additives for rubber bands, etc.

[Scarecrow]

I didn’t buy a company for Mile, and not for scale, but simply for cleaning the car. Although it says that from scale too




Scarecrow, and you also clean Mille's washing machine with lemon? And then I'm afraid to clean something like that, suddenly the lemon will ruin something in the washing machine. And I wanted to ask, is it possible to fix Mila's dishwasher not in the Mila service center, but in another?

[ludmila_27.79]

ludmila_27.79,

Well, actually, I bought Mille's branded detergent for cleaning the washing machine and dishwasher from scale. I read the entire package up and down, the composition of the product: citric acid. I even posted on the forum here all their dosages and recommendations from this pack. I don't buy anymore. Meaning?

[Scarecrow]

Scarecrow, Natusik, and where do you pour the lemon, right on the bottom of the dishwasher or into the compartment for detergents.

[Manya]

Manya, yes, it does. But it says on the box that you don't need to shoot.

[Scarecrow]

Scarecrow, Natusik, and where do you pour the lemon, right on the bottom of the dishwasher or into the compartment for detergents.

Straight to the bottom, 15-20 minutes after the start of the hottest program. So it was written on the packaging of the Mille product. That is, rinsing has ended and has also been drained into the main sink. There is a decent amount of lemons, it seems to me that it will not fit into the compartment for detergents, so that's why.

Thank you

I fall asleep a couple of large packs of lemon. There are three big packs in the washer.

[Lelka]

Lelka, and when? Also like Nata? I haven't tried it yet, it's dumb

and when? Also like Nata?

Yes, I wait for the rinse to end and fall asleep

dumb

You need to read the composition of the cleaning agent. There is a lemon

You need to read the composition of the cleaning agent. There is a lemon

Now I remember, I read. Like a lemon! Thank you

Girls, I have a question, finally I launched the Electrolux PPM, I was waiting for it to be installed and it would be possible to use it)
I put everything as it should, even less than 13 sets, turned on the intensive wash mode at 65-70 degrees for 150-170 minutes. I take out the dishes and where the dishes stood on the edge, it feels like they didn't wash them at all (((I may want too much of it))) as my husband says)))

[Margonica]

Margonica,

It should not be. I have Electrolux and on the Intensive program with a 100% guarantee, I can say that it washes to a squeak. Usually the main reason is that something has fallen below the level of the pallet grid and prevented the rocker from rotating. Or some of the objects overlapped each other.

something fell below the level of the pallet mesh and prevented the rocker from rotating

Yes Yes. Spoon or ladle ..

[Margonica]

Margonica,

It should not be. I have Electrolux and on the Intensive program with a 100% guarantee I can say that it washes to a squeak. Usually the main reason is that something has fallen below the level of the pallet grid and prevented the rocker from rotating. Or some of the objects overlapped each other.

Yes, I still have little experience, so I put everything in spoons, forks and knives in specials. cart.
There are no particular complaints about it, it is clear that it will not wash old dirt the first time)) forks and spoons for the third time were already as good as new.
Yes, in general, I need to change dishes like there are pots, otherwise the kitchen is new, and the dishes are old)))))
Well, at least I'm now a woman, not a dishwasher)))

Citric acid is not a panacea; it will only cleanse lime deposits.
In special products for PMM, not universal use, we read the composition: Finish 5-15% non-ionic surfactants, flavoring. Lotta 5% nonionic surfactants, phosphonates less than 5%, fragrance, preservative, citric acid.

Citric acid is not a panacea; it will only cleanse lime deposits.

In principle, the PMM cleaner should only clean 99% of lime deposits. Everything else is cleaned naturally when washing dishes with detergents made of powder or tablets - the PMM is a self-cleaning device, and after washing its insides (except for the lower surface and the drain area) are as clean as the dishes taken out of it. If the PMM is somewhere "fat" inside, it means that you are not putting in enough detergent, salt, washer, or, finally, this PMM has an unsuccessful design. For example, we use a PMM cleaner at home about once every 3-4 years, and even then, it is stupid for prophylaxis, since we do not have any special prerequisites for cleaning, such as smell or plaque, - the water is softened , the machine is set for soft water. And mechanical filters for coarse cleaning, nets, etc., are cleaned mechanically as needed, with handles, since such liquid special means, with a weakly acidic medium, for such areas of PMM - that an elephant has grain ...

[sazalexter]

sazalexter,

Mila has 2 means for PMM: one for limescale (intended for PMM and SM), the second - from everything else in dishwashers (for degreasing). As, in principle, and Electrolux for a penny: separately from the scale for PMM and SM and separately for PMM from everything else. Mila also has additives that preserve the elasticity of the elastic bands, etc. So here is the descaler, which is essentially needed - just one citric acid in the composition and nothing else. I bought the second one a couple more times and prevented the car, but this is more for the soul than for business. The biggest problem in PMM CM is scale. And I don't buy any more from scale. Meaning? Buy lemon in branded packaging at a price several times higher? Bank 250gr - 1100re, like ... And try to find in the internet the composition or a photo of the can on the back side. Figo))). I bought it and held it in my hands, read it all: lemon. Even somewhere I wrote about it on the forum, I'll find it.

This is just for the PMM:



And this is for PMM and SM, from scale. There was only a lemon in the composition.


And here is the same set of products from Electrolux. Use, in theory, periodically need BOTH. They are kind of a little differently aimed.






Here, I found it, wrote from the packaging of this very product back in 2014:

Washing powders # 924

The indicator lit up that the salt ran out, fell asleep, almost the entire pack, like the first time. It burns again the next day, again I slept, today it burns again. After all, the first time a pack of salt was enough for a month. Although I don't remember exactly how much salt I fell asleep. But, this time it poured until the water was already displaced from there. Is it possible that something has broken, why does it not show that the salt is filled up, more precisely, when it fell asleep it goes out, and the next day it lights up again. Has anyone faced such a problem? PMM BOSH smv 23AX00R | 48

My Bosch "did not see" the poured salt in the form of large tablets. When I took out the salt tablets and replaced them with the usual granule-sized salt, I saw and calmed down. Now I don't buy salt tablets.

I had it on Siemens once. Has ceased to pay attention. After 5 days it went out. It was like this only once. I use the same salt. Siemens and Bosch are twins, brothers, maybe it will cost you.

My Bosch "did not see" the poured salt in the form of large tablets. When I took out the salt tablets and replaced them with the usual granule-sized salt, I saw and calmed down. Now I don't buy salt tablets.

So it is not in tablets, but in a sachet of granules. Is there something wrong with the indicator as well?

[HelenaAlex]

Yes, machines have quirks - one does not see large compressed granules, the other is too fine salt.I was very surprised when I discovered that salt can be as fine as if it was made in the kitchen. I don't buy this.))

HelenaAlex, and when you open the lid the next day, is there salt there, in fact, and almost to the top? Well, do not worry, I heard that people with such machine glitches live. Especially if the salt is pressed. At the same time, the machine usually works, softens the water, there are no complaints about the trash heap.

Well, or change her hardness level for a change, or something ...

[Nata]

Nata, Scarecrow, I never tire of thanking you for the Fae.
The machine is clean, does not smell. I removed all sorts of fragrances that were hung on the nets. I noticed that I can collect dishes for three days, it doesn't smell sour in a typewriter. Two of us. We do not eat so many dishes if we are still cooking at the stake)))))

Now I do not buy salt tablets

and I bought .. the intervals covered with salt for the PMM. To get used to it.

and I bought .. the intervals covered with salt for the PMM. To get used to it.

Trainer!
Yes, I was also going to act in the same way if I bought the pills.))

[OlgaGera]

OlgaGera,

I'm really glad that you like it.)) It's not the first year (!!!) so mine - I didn't think of telling you before.

[HelenaAlex]

Yes, machines have quirks - one does not see large compressed granules, the other is too fine salt. I was very surprised when I discovered that salt can be as fine as if it was made in the kitchen. I don't buy this.))

HelenaAlex, and when you open the lid the next day, is there salt there, in fact, and almost to the top? Well, do not worry, I heard that people with such machine glitches live. Especially if the salt is pressed. At the same time, the machine works normally, softens the water, there are no complaints about the trash heap.

Well, or change her hardness level for a change, or something ...

Yes, I read it, people write that this is a fairly common glitch, some do not pay attention. But I think, while it is under warranty, the master will see the way. There seems to be salt there, I even tried it, yes, it's salty and there is still undissolved salt at the bottom, I jerked with a wooden stick, I'll see what happens next. I'll try to reduce the rigidity.

Not the first year (!!!) so mine

I went further ...))))

the fairies began to wash the toilet, the sink. And then I always ask my husband. I can't breathe that chemistry .. allergic-asthmatic. threw everything out. Dushkabin has not tried it yet))))))))))))
I threw a tube of toothpaste into the toilet cistern, after piercing a bunch of holes in it with a hot fork and opening the lid.
The tank inside became white-white. And the toilet itself washes very well. I like it.

Trainer!

no, well, we can get used to it
But no, so let the hungry eye burn))))))))))))))))))))))

[OlgaGera]

OlgaGera, can you tell us more about the friendship between the toilet bowl and toothpaste?

And I put toothpaste in the toilet and did not notice the difference, although the water in our village is "very not very"

about the friendship of the toilet bowl and toothpaste?

I bought cheap toothpaste. It seems 20 rubles for a large tube.
Heated a fork on a flame. Why a plug? And immediately 4 holes are taught.))) Here is the whole tube pierced. Better to do under a hood.
We open the tank. We twist the cap from our tube, the protective film, if any, and lower it into the tank, where there is water movement. All. We close. We forget.
The tube lasted for 4 weeks.
A long time ago I read somewhere, or someone said, but ... did not attach importance.
And then she opened the tank, and why is it dirty-gray yellow? So I remembered. Yesterday I opened the tank again, it became white. Pleased. But the toilet itself has become easier to clean. Traces of water smudges disappeared. And where do they come from ...
The husband noticed that I did not ask him to do the washing))) but clean

very not very

we have tough. Limestone.
Maybe the pasta is wrong? I am the one that is cheaper ...

the fairies began to wash the toilet, the sink. And then I always ask my husband.

Our son sometimes washes the car with dishwashing liquid. He says he does not see much difference with the branded Körcher.

There seems to be salt there, I even tried it, yes, it is salty and there is still undissolved salt at the bottom

Hmm ... Usually you pour it to the top and it is immediately visible under the lid for a long time, no need to try and look at the tooth. Maybe it's really not enough there? This is what I am afraid of .. then call the master, and he will find that there is really little salt. And you have to pay for a fake call. ((
Usually about a kilogram is included in an empty bin. And salt is often packed up by one and a half, I always throw up with the leftovers. (

I always throw up with the leftovers. (

Enrages too ...
There is a little left, so you attach ...

[OlgaGera]

Our son sometimes washes the car with dishwashing liquid. He says he does not see much difference with the branded Körcher.

Throughout the warm season, I pour dishwashing detergent (I usually have either Fairy, or from Lyon) into the tank of my car's windshield washer. A little, of course, I also just dig a little bit and that's it. It's just that dust and dirt is not washed off with water at once, it is kind of "oily".



OlgaGera,

Ol, I have like you - solid know-how. Only you because of allergies and asthma, and I because of the septic tank, where no aggressive chemistry can be poured: the crocozables are dying!)) ..

for washing dishes (I have either Fairy, usually, or from Lyon) in the windshield washer tank of my car.

Yes Yes

[full]

half a tablet

The tablet is designed for fulldimensional 12-set machine. IN sexsize compact for 6 sets, there is too much detergent - you have to divide it into halves. And accordingly, it makes sense to use capsules only when fully loaded on an intensive program. Otherwise, it will be necessary to start an additional rinse and, possibly, several times.

My Bosch "did not see" the poured salt in the form of large tablets

in the instructions for my machine, SKS62E22, Bosch explicitly forbade the use of "salt in tablets":

Bosch explicitly forbade the use of "salt in tablets":

and why?
Interesting .. here in my old aeg (also aeg), about salt it says that you can use any as long as you buy the one you need
True, in German. In asko - the same thing. If the composition of the salt is the same, why not?

the composition of the salt is the same, why not?

different dissolution times and possibly the configuration of the salt compartment ...
in the English-speaking, and in the German-speaking instructions, the same prohibition:

[OgneLo]

OgneLo, well, you can believe this, as well as the fact that you can only clean the car with special descaling agents, not lemon. But, perhaps, this is a marketing ploy to buy their funds, their salt. Now, if they wrote, why exactly such tableted salt is impossible, I would believe. Ordinary table salt is not allowed, I agree one hundred percent, it is well unrefined, often contains an anti-caking component, which is harmful to the car. Tableted salt (the one used to regenerate ion-exchange filters), it is clean, without iodine and this anti-caking component. You can choose, besides there are many producers of it, you can find salt with the highest percentage of purity, reputable producers.
I will say to myself - I use tableted salt Belarusian "Mozyrsalt" (though I recently had PMM). We have a small choice, this is the most reliable, in addition, there are not very large tablets, they fit well into the funnel. If someone decides to take this kind of salt, then check the size of the tablets, and that is, huge ones, may not fit.

in English and German instructions

I mean my cars, not yours.

different dissolution times and possibly the configuration of the salt compartment ...

well yes.....
My friend has been washing with table salt and lemon all her life instead of rinse aid. And everything works .. I am not campaigning .. read the composition.

but that is, they are huge, they may not fit

and we hammer them ....))))))))))))))))))




In my opinion, we are already discussing this for the third time .. in the topic. And salt, and rinses, and .. Manufacturers have ceased to produce unkillable equipment, it is unprofitable. Rosenlev has been working for me for more than 50 years, and in extreme conditions, on the street. And it works, without repair ...

you can believe this, as well as the fact that you can only clean the car with special descaling agents, not lemon.

citric acid - and there is, that same, special remedy for scale!

But, perhaps, this is a marketing ploy to buy their funds, their salt.

the instructions do not mention any specific product, including the proprietary one.
There is a sticker on the door saying that Bosch recommends the finish, and a finish sample was inserted into the car, possibly with an advertisement (I don't remember), but that's all

I mean my cars

Yes, I just showed that in my particular car model the Bosch instructions are the same in all languages. Since, unfortunately, a number of manufacturers have inconsistencies in multilingual instructions ...

My friend all my life ...
I'm not campaigning ..

Yes, everyone makes his own decision

hol-k Rosenlev

we had such a UPO ...

In my opinion, we are already discussing this for the third time .. in the topic

maybe more ... but who reads ...

Girls, I am to you for advice! You need a full size 60 cm with three trays. So that it dries well and there was a delayed start. Above, a shower is also desirable. And in the budget up to 40 tons. Does anyone have something like that?

from Bosch, for full-size dishwashers there is a "Nozzle for washing trays" (purchased at the service), which allows you to wash large items
looks like that:


for "old" and modern models, they differ in fastening and have different article numbers.

Dishwasher accessory
Baking trays, hood grease filters and other large items are easy to clean
Simply remove the upper basket and fit the spray arm onto the water inlet on the back of the wash cabinet
Water escaping from the nozzle effectively flushes away dirt and accumulated grease

You can buy such a nozzle for my Bosch.
After purchasing the PM, I tried to order, I waited a long time, but it never arrived at the warehouse. Spat on this case.
From experience, and without this nozzle, trays, filters from the hood are perfectly washed.
I haven't tried baking sheets, it's easier for me to wash it with my hands than to take out the upper basket. In addition, there is almost always something burnt on the baking sheets after baking, and no PM can cope with this. So pens ... pens.

From experience, and without this nozzle, trays, filters from the hood are perfectly washed

Exactly! Why are these tans with tambourines ...

I haven't tried the baking sheets, it's easier for me to wash it with my hands than to take out the upper basket.

Why take it out? We put the baking sheet with the dirty part down directly on the usual dishes, we get a clean baking sheet plus clean dishes.)) Rarely, rarely, when a corner stuck where it remains, it will not take long to brush it off with your hands.

And with this nozzle, the shower is not in place - the machine washes one baking sheet, a terrible waste!

And with this nozzle, the shower is not in place - the machine washes one baking sheet, a terrible waste!

Agree. I wash my dishes every two days, collect. It's not clear what I'm saving: water? powder? electricity? Child of the nineties)

It's not clear what I'm saving: water? powder? electricity?

Planet?

It's not clear what I'm saving: water? powder? electricity? Child of the nineties)

I console myself with the thought that there is less wear on the machine itself

tried to order, waited a long time, but she never arrived at the warehouse

"in the wrong place" ordered.

washes one baking sheet

on the first photo given by me - 2 (two) baking sheets; on the second - 2 (two) trays + 1 (one) wire rack + 4 (four) filters ...

Put the baking sheet with the dirty part down directly on the regular dishes, we get a clean baking sheet plus clean dishes

and so it is also effective if one baking sheet is washed ...