Dishwasher selection (2)

If I'm not mistaken, when I was interested in PMM models, including Siemens, the HygienePlus function provides disinfection of dishes by rinsing them with 70 ° C water for either 10 or 15 minutes

The fact is that washing at 70 degrees is there without any HygienePlus. And in addition to this hot mode, you can turn on HygienePlus, which will increase the time. I recall that the instructions for this function were about 90 degrees. But I will not insist, if someone is interested - in the evening I will get the instructions and look more precisely.

... But there is with her from the same dish somehow ..... Or maybe I reason like this, because I don't have a dog)

Guest: - Sorry, but your dog looks at me all the time.
Hostess: - Pay no attention. She always does this when someone eats from her plate.

Girls, hello everyone !!!!
I don’t have an MRP yet, but I’ve already lived to see the moment when I want to have one. Here I sit thinking, what conditions should be for this? ... In terms of increasing the number of pieces of plates, spoons, cups?
Tell me as experienced users, how much do you need to increase the arsenal of dishes, 2 times is enough? Do I need to buy pots and pans? And the forks, spoons? Or is it desirable to wash them immediately?
And one more thing .... How do you put the frying pan in the PPM, say, after frying meat, directly with the fat that has melted there or should it be removed, drained?
Maybe my questions sound funny, but I want to "know everything" in advance

drive away empty?

nope, I'm with the dishes

I have PMM since the summer, probably still clean
unpretentious at me hmm, not very smart, narrow Kandy

[Alevtina]

how much do you need to increase the arsenal of dishes, 2 times is enough?

Alevtina, only you yourself can answer this question. We don't know how many of you are, how many times a day you eat at home, how often you plan to run the machine. Let's say you will "wash" once a day in the evening. Now imagine that you all had breakfast, but did not wash the dishes, but hid them. And then you have to have lunch, and then have dinner. And someone loves snacks and also on a platter
In general, everyone has different ways. I have a double set of cups, forks, spoons. There are probably more plates.
But mine are not at all accustomed to dirtying a lot of dishes, because before the purchase of the PMM, the husband and sons were engaged in washing dishes. And everyone is already adults and mostly dine out. And on weekends, it happens and I start the car twice.
I didn't have to buy more pots, but I already have a lot of them.
I wipe heavily soiled greasy pans with paper towels - without fanaticism - remove the frying pans and so that the fat does not drip.
Naturally, all the undernourished should be shaken off the plates. Some people rinse their plates or wipe them with napkins, I don't bother, except in particularly difficult cases. For example, my PMM does not wash away the remnants of raw dough poorly. I rinse such dishes.
Please note that devices with wooden handles in PMM cannot be washed - they deteriorate greatly. Therefore, your favorite old knives will have to be replaced.
Aluminum in PMM is covered with a dark, dirty coating, so aluminum pans will go out of use by themselves (if you ever had them). Unfortunately, the grinders are also made of aluminum and have to be washed by hand (my biggest disappointment).
In general, PMM is a thing! Buy and figure out everything else along the way

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, Thank you! Of course I will adapt to myself. I would like to hear who is living with them (with PPM) .... There are three of us, I plan to wash in the evening, and then how it goes. Simply, I was going to update the tableware and cutlery and thought, I could buy it with a margin. , I do not like raznokolybernoe
And I didn’t know about the wooden handles.

Maybe my questions sound funny

here are my answers to amuse many advanced dishwasher aksakals:

I rinse dishes, and especially spoons, before PMM, I always clean them, I soak them, because I run PMM more often only once a week

I don’t want to clean the rocker arms, all the same, the sieve is deposited in them and the sieve also closes, if you put the cleaned dishes

[Irish]

I don’t want to clean the rocker arms, all the same, the sieve is deposited in them and the sieve also closes, if you put the cleaned dishes

IrishI have never had to clean the rocker arm in three years of use. I wash the lower filter about once a month under the tap. You will laugh - mostly dog ​​hair accumulates on it, it's amazing how it gets there. Well, the fat is deposited a little.
But I do PMM every day and I love hot programs.
My mother-in-law, who rarely uses her dishwasher (it seems, only for washing dishes after guests) is also for some reason very afraid of clogging the filters and rinses every plate.
But it doesn't suit me, the machine is iron - let it work. And from time to time, washing the filter is not a problem.

what conditions should be for this? ... In terms of increasing the number of pieces of plates, spoons, cups?

First the dishwasher, then the dishes. Because a concrete understanding will appear. And you will see with your own eyes how this or that dish reacts to the dishwasher. The glass can become cloudy or rainbow colored, painted plates fade, gold rims will leak down the drain ... The coolest thing is plain glass ceramics or tempered glass. The applied drawing on solid white objects survives long enough, glued under glass (like many motley Luminark) - it will fade in specific reviews. I have not had simple ceramic plates for a hundred years, so I will not say anything here, I don’t know how long glazed dishes live in a dishwasher.

fade, the gold bands will flow down the drain ..

Here's an ambush ... And then you want beautiful dishes. Buy a dishwasher in order to use what you don't mind and don't really want ...



How many pitfalls there are ... It's good that I still asked my stupid questions, because I learned a lot of subtleties. Maybe I'll change my mind to buy it at all. I need to think about what I want more - a beautiful dish or a dishwasher

It is not yet recommended to wash teflon-coated utensils in PMM

My, as soon as he finds out about all this, he will immediately say, WELL, AND WHY DO YOU NEED IT? - just like that, in large letters

WELL AND WHY DO YOU NEED IT?

and will be almost right

I just bought it six months ago and somehow I'm not completely delighted, yes ... well, let it be, for now, all the same, I don't wash the dishes with my hands for half a year, I just rinse it

[Irina]

Irina, and why not very happy? I look closely at the narrow Kandy, there are 11 sets and 7 modes). Seems smart. What's wrong with Kandy? Doesn't it blow up?




And another question - what about Teflon? True, it's a shame if it is impossible in the PMM, all multicooker pots are Teflon. Do you wash them with your hands?

True, it's a shame if it is impossible in the PMM, all multicooker pots are Teflon. Do you wash them with your hands?

my inexpensive frying pans in the PMM, it will deteriorate - I will throw it away, but the multicooker pots .. I now have Tefal, the instructions say that you can wash it in the PMM, I wash it when there’s too little time or laziness, but it scratches there over time so noticeably, so it's better to wash with handles, if not very dirty

just rinse

what for? this function is in the car.

It's really a shame if it is impossible in the PMM

By their very nature, teflon gizmos don't like sudden temperature changes.
And washing them in the PMM is just a place to take.
Wet it and wiped it off with a paper towel - professional chef's advice

The glass may dim or rainbows

depends on the powder.
The French faded, then became transparent. Don't bother

painted plates fade

English service with horses, houses are constantly washed in the PMM. The horses did not gallop on the spot. As beautiful as he was

gold rims will flow down the drain.

Dulevskaya lilac with a rim. Everything is in place.
Maybe the Chinese is dissolved, but I don't have Chinese dishes, although ... there are ... aunts in kimomno ... the flight is normal

WELL AND WHY DO YOU NEED IT?

then ... let it be a dishwasher.
Mine was, always, before the purchase of the PMM. These are his cars. Both at home and in the country. The first thing he bought for a country house, as soon as the water supply was done

Buy a dishwasher in order to use what you don't mind and don't really want ...

well ... I just don't wash aluminum and grinder .. the rest is all in PMM. Hands are yours ... sorry

A long time ago, a designer came to plan how, where and what would happen.
- and there will be a dishwasher
- what for? I have two. Son and husband
- good, but let it be. Then rate it.

I agreed. I do not regret a single drop

Dulevskaya lilac with a rim. Everything is in place.

English service with horses, houses

In! So this is great! And then for ten years in the network I have not heard and seen enough.)) It looks really creepy. Since I myself prefer monochrome in dishes, I personally do not have such data, and from my own only cloudy glasses and a rainbow on glass plates.
Lying somewhere is a simple white English porcelain with a golden curly rim, but it's so ancient that I'm scared to use it, let alone put it in the dishwasher.)))

[Lena]

Lena, yes everything is fine. I don't bother. Mine and that's it, and so for 20 years ...
Now other painted plates are in use. Do not fade until they are a year old.)))

but he's so ancient

Oh, I found an ancient plate, my mother brought it back from Germany in 45g. Soaps in PMM. Even the coat of arms has been preserved there.
And the other one is older, she also washed in a typewriter. So she went craquelures. handsomely




There is a case, one in 1000. And the discussion begins ..
In my Volga car, the rocker arm in the engine broke. But it does not break, as I was told from the factory ...
So I set out my experience.
And they write in the instructions just in case. But what if...

Depends on how they are scheduled. If under the glaze, then do not shed. If the drawing is as if glued on top, then it will wash off over time. If the Dulevo dishes are washed every day in the dishwasher, then in a year the gilding will definitely wash off, and the drawing will fade. I've had cars for 17 years already, I've already seen everything or almost everything.

Dulevo dishes

she does not live with me. Beats ((
And I don’t use collectible plates ...

And I will stand up for Luminark. 10 years old wine glasses with black legs for martini, champagne, wine this / that. It's okay. Because this is colored glass! And my sister, yes, the legs were washed off in several cycles from the Turkish (?) Blue-footed glasses. Apparently, they were painted on top.
As for the turbidity - I read about the crystal, what it can. I read about glass today for the first time and never came across it myself, my glass does not grow cloudy.
The frying pans are cheap, too, mercilessly - I will replace them. In general, there are now pans with a PMM-resistant coating, see labels.

I wrote about the recommendation not to wash Teflon, as it is written in the instructions for my PMM Siemens.
My multicooker bowls in the sink.
My crystal in PMM on the "glass" mode.

Bosch machine. Luminarka's mugs with pansies on a blue background and salads have washed away, now only sloppy gray silhouettes of flowers remain. The gold rim on the Soviet plates was washed off. Scratching in a typewriter great. It is very visible on the plastic containers. But in general I'm happy with the machine

Turkish salad bowls with gilding - nothing is done. Czech wine glasses - the gilding is almost gone. Although on a special program .....

Scratching in a typewriter great. It is very visible on the plastic containers. But in general I'm happy with the machine

Well, why, how is it not rosy ...Enamel pots will probably scratch too .... And pans with a ceramic coating are also not worth it? And with the plates now the catch.
What is your experience with cymbals? Who uses which? I don’t really want a glass luminark, I wanted ceramics or porcelain, again the flour of choice ... One hassle - then choose the PPM, then the dishes for it ...

In the dishwasher, my luminark, glass, stainless steel, plastic. Porcelain sets are only for special holidays and are washed with handles, cupronickel forks, spoons, shovels, tongs. cooks, salt shakers are all removed and replaced with democratic stainless steel and glass. I only wash silicone molds with my hands (I have a quirk, I think that after the dishwasher they will be sticky). Yes, after buying a dishwasher, you have to change your usual serving. I bought everything in the amount of 18 pieces (I bought three suitcases - sets), that is, 18 tablespoons, 18 dessert spoons, 18 teaspoons, 18 coffee spoons, 18 table forks, 18 dessert forks, etc. This amount (18) turned out to be optimal. She brought out enameled dishes as a class, but did not start teflon dishes. Foolishly, in a fit of changing dishes, I handed out a bunch of good aluminum molds and baking trays, because I bought all kinds of stainless trays and gastronorm containers. But baking in aluminum tins is definitely better, so again I bought all kinds of aluminum tins and baking trays, I wash them with their handles and no longer buzz.

Porcelain, faience are suitable, but you need to look at how the drawing is applied - it should be under the gloss, not above.

We have a special topic for dishes https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=27366.0

It's interesting - what can the machine itself do with the dishes to spoil it? She just pours water. Could it be the detergents?

[Weigela]

I agree, as they said here above, the main thing is that there is a PMM, and when and what to wash with handles or put in the PMM - there will be a choice.
And I did not acquire new dishes for it. Everything in my head will settle down, believe me, as soon as you take the instructions in hand, plus a lot of experience outlined here in the topic.

Bowls of multicooker shore and my soft washcloth just because it is difficult to change them.
Ceramic pans are perfect for washing. I put it carefully so as not to scratch. Containers and pans are scratched on the pins between or on top of the pans. In many PMMs, the pins are folded in the lower basket. This is convenient, it is worth paying attention to when choosing a PMM.
Finally, when these pins are folded, the lower basket turns into an almost smooth box and in the 45 cm PMM two pots (3 l and 2 l) are placed side by side at an angle and two lids to them.
Weigela, "harness for a long time" 😂
Imagine that your kitchen sink is always empty. Because dirty dishes immediately hide in the PMM. This is a kind of storage device. And children get used to clean up after themselves, shaking off the leftovers from the plate into the trash bin, hiding the plate, cup and cutlery immediately in the PMM.

It is enough to visit a friend who at the time of your visit will have a full sink of dishes. Watch how, in a matter of minutes, these dishes will move to the PMM and the sink will pleasantly empty. At the same time, pay attention to a good friend's manicure, to how she pressed two buttons and slammed the PMM door. And then enjoy pleasant conversation, delicious cake and aromatic coffee ... By the time you part with your friend, the PMM will gently squeak and the dishes will be clean. But it was possible all this time not to accept you, but to stand and wash a mountain of dishes from spoons to a cake mold.
That is how I got to my friend and realized that I also need PMM like a washing machine.

What's wrong with Kandy? Doesn't it blow up?

At least - I don't have that = ate and put it in the pmm - it won't rinse, especially the spoons, or if you don't immediately put it into the pmm, which is stuck, then it won't wash.

Moreover, you can't wash a lot in it, according to current realities - the main thing is Teflon, not everyone loves silicone either.

So it's easier for me to soak the dishes, rinse them and put them in the rmm.

But, when this PMM completes its life path - I don't need it anymore, I buy the PMM for the second time and I'm not happy for the second time. I think. if I bought expensive-expensive and smart-premium, maybe I would be friends with them more.

The first time I bought about 7 years ago for a strong stock, a big pmm - well, it turned out to be useless, especially since there was no half sink - I was picking up and putting dishes in it for a couple of weeks.

Tea, coffee bloom from the mugs is not washed off, 3-liter cans are not washed immediately, the jam remains in the depths, after the milk there is also a bloom.

In general, I soak it, rub it with a brush on a long handle, rinse it, and in pm - for high temperature and detergent.

what for? this function is in the car.

Yes, I don’t need scraps of food in the PMM, I’ll still waste water, it’s cheaper to wash it off in the sink, without electricity.

Enamel pans will probably scratch too ...

The "scratches" from the PMM have already been discussed. Hmmm can't scratch - she washes, not rubs. Existing scratches are simply washed off - just from hand washing or just from use. This I read in the topic was interested, studied

[Weigela]

Well, why, how is it not rosy ...

Weigela, Alevtina, you understand - buying the hardware itself is just the beginning. I don’t know about you, but I have to get used to any technique, adapt, I’m never perfect right away.
You will have to study the nature of your machine, where it washes better, where it is worse. And what she is generally able to clean, what she needs help, and for what - just forgive. Learn how to arrange the dishes correctly, choose detergents that will wash well your characteristic dirt. Choose a rinse aid, salt according to a combination of price and quality. And adjust their flow rate for your tap water. Choose a washing program for every day and for special occasions. Etc.
And only when you work on this, washing the dishes will take you a couple of minutes a day, and the rest will be done by PMM.
But do not be alarmed, it is interesting and pleasant to study all this, and if something does not work out - contact us, they will be happy to help you

I have a Zanussi from the budget, without frills, plowing every day, sometimes a couple of times a day, for about four years already, my everything in it is merciless, except for a meat grinder and knives (and then, mine is mine when my husband does not see), while that, it happens, everything is loaded in almost two tiers on each basket. My enamel pots, they are 15 years old and nothing happens from the dishwasher, plastic containers, yes, they are scratched, well, okay, the loss is not great, all my ceramic, glass, crystal dishes indiscriminately at 65C, sooo rarely happens that something beats, cans of all calibers are mine too, from milk, and from salads, and from jam, everything is washed wonderfully, the main thing is to arrange the dishes correctly. The rims are golden, by the way, yes, they washed off on cheap plates, the glass Luminarkov cups have faded in four years, scratched, but they still look decent. Several times a yellow nasty bloom appeared on white plates, everything was decided by changing the powder.

[Irsha]

Irsha, Ira, it's kind of strange that your relationship with the PMM is developing. It dries up and does not wash away ...
I have a very budgetary Siemens, my friend has a similar Bosch. The instructions say that the accumulation of dishes is allowed for 2 days. I collect dishes in it in the morning for the whole day and at night everything is washed. In the auto mode, the first step is programmed - rinsing. Nothing sticks.
Maybe you need to "whisper" with your assistant and find a common language? For example, choose a different program or change detergents ...

I have a bad rim from the bouillin washes off. And nothing bad happened with the enamel pans. I don't like the 50 degree program. All mine at 60. The containers are scratched on the pins.

It dries up and does not wash away ...

dried-on does not wash.
And you know, after all, you still need to remove food debris, we don’t lick our plates, so no big difference with what - either paper napkins or water.It is more convenient for me to wash off.

If you do not rinse the remains off the plates, then wash the filter. And rocker arms. Rinse the dishes is the simplest action.

dried-on does not wash.

Something is wrong here
I brush off the plate with a fork or spoon into the trash can, then the dishes into the trash can, it can stand in it for at least a week, it washes everything with a bang, the main thing is not to save on powder
PS if you rinse, it's practically washing, why unnecessary action
My filter is rare when I remember ... About once a year I run it out with a cleaner for garbage cans.

If you do not rinse the remains off the plates, then wash the filter. And rocker arms. Rinse the dishes is the simplest action.

The filter in the PMM is decently "transparent", that is, something that can pass through the outlet hose without problems when flushed through it completely passes. Large bones, large pieces of fruit / vegetables will not work. All other trifles, like leftovers of mashed potatoes, rice, fried onions, porridge, etc. - easy ...
We clean the exhaust filter at home only when necessary, when the machine begins to be indignant about a bad drain - it was three or four times. The rocker arms, since the purchase since 2010, have never been cleaned, - there is no need, because no cocoa gets into them. Only calcium can be deposited if the water is very hard and the machine is incorrectly set for such water ...
Do not rinse the plates, but brush off large residues with a fork / spoon - that's enough. With a good product for PMM, everything is washed off and washed out elementarily. Including traces of tea / coffee / protein rim, at 50 degrees ... Higher degrees are required only for overly greasy dishes, with burns ...
IMHO, work on the topic of good dishwasher ...

Shl. In the "Auto" mode (automatic detection of the program, 45-65 degrees), the dishwasher itself determines the "fat content" of the dishes, and adjusts its temperature regime to it. If the talers have already been washed-washed, then perhaps in this case you are misleading your PMM in this mode, and it does not heat up the water for high-quality washing ...

About once a year I run it out with a dustbin cleaner.

Likewise! Not necessary, but desirable, for prevention ...

if rinsing, it is practically washing, why unnecessary action

rinsing with cold water is by no means washing, and overspending of expensive powder will not please me either. So it's easier and cheaper to rinse and rub the dishes.

I also rinse for another reason - I don’t want clean water to flop in the rmm during washing. And it will be like washing in a basin - the more dishes, the dirtier the water. It's more comfortable for me. And um, despite running it once a week, it doesn't smell.

And um, despite running it once a week, it doesn't smell.

PMM will never smell if you keep it ajar constantly after washing. Conversely, the smell is almost guaranteed if the PMM is tightly closed between cycles. True, I must say that we never succeeded "once a week", so rarely ... IMHO, if once a week, then you can wash it with your hands, and not accumulate two talers a day. And then PMM is not needed ...

Including traces of tea / coffee / protein rim, at 50 degrees ...

agrees that it is protein pollution that does not need to be "brewed", complicating their flushing.

[Irina]

Irina.Powder savings are offset by expensive PMM repairs.
Taking a wet sponge in your hands means starting the dishwashing process. I see no reason to buy PMM in your case.

PMM will never smell if you keep it ajar constantly after washing.

do not close.

Yes, I bought it, just got sick, I think - and let it be in case of illness, you never know, well, Kandyusha is working, mmm.

I see no reason to buy PMM in your case.

Well, after all, running the dishes through 70 * water is good news.

I think - let it be in case of illness, you never know what

Think right! And with age, the hands are no longer the same, and the sight and touch already lead to the sensation of the cleanliness of the dishes.I know from the example of my mother, who all her life was a clean, unseen thing, and now, when you come to visit, you have to do a lot for her to eat from clean dishes with clean appliances ...

[Alexander]

Alexander, Constantin, good evening!
I want to optimistically remind you that being determines consciousness! Irsha-Irina uses PMM once a week. You can convince her to the end of the century that tea and coffee deposits, as such, do not form with regular dishwashing. She will tell you: "How not? I’m getting better. And I wash my dishes in the PMM regularly. Once a week." It's just that a person has his own life realities, that's all.
For example, I have three children, and all are boys. I use the typewriter once a day on weekdays, more often on weekends. And my food gets into it, because you can't keep track of everyone. But I won't rinse the dishes before washing for anything - it's easier for me to wash the filter once a year. And Irina is different. It is more convenient for her as it is more convenient for her
P.s. You have already discussed everything.

It is more economical to heat the water up to 50 * C by running the car wash on the machine or in eco mode, do not rinse, use separate products and not new-fashioned pillow-pills, pour the powder at the rate, do not get carried away with phosphate-free products.

The planet was dirtied to us with powders and shale gas production ... it's too late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys fell off

[Elena]

Elena, if Irina uses the PMM once a week, then here it really is - at least keep the PMM open wide, but if you don't cuddle the talers, and everything else, then it will stink in a week ...

About that and speech! That which seems unnecessary to us is a complete necessity in Irina's conditions.

[sazalexter]

do not get carried away with phosphate-free products.

Phosphate products are now produced either by our aborigines (a la Henkel plants in the CIS), with the corresponding filthy quality of washing, and chemical aromas after it, or they are carrying some stale filth that costs a ruble / meter there, or is generally already banned for use, but with us it can still be screwed up, and you can cook on this product ... So, - I highly do not recommend listening to this, with all due respect to sazalexter...

[Constantin]

ConstantinI have been using Somat Standard for many years and do not particularly bother, it washes perfectly.