Dishwasher selection (2)

The most demanded program

In fact, the most requested program is Eco 50. Why? European countries have abandoned products containing phosphates and phosphonates. The civilized countries of Southeast Asia have not used phosphates for a long time ... That is, normal means with which you can wash your dishes, and we and you will soon have such. One of the main detergents in phosphate-free products are enzymes, that is, enzymes. Enzymes work up to 50 degrees Celsius. Above 50 - this component is useless.

Important! Enzymes (enzymes) do not work at temperatures above 50 ° C. To allow the enzymes in the powder to work, use Eco, Bio, or other low temperature dishwashing programs.
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From personal experience, I will say that at 50 degrees, the usual daily washing of dishes is no worse than on Auto 45-65. Provided that you have selected a good proven product for washing ... And for heavily greasy surfaces there is a mode of 70 degrees - yes, there is a temperature required ...

but fast, as a rule, without drying, is not needed at all.

It's strange ... At Siemens SN25M280EU in varioSpeed ​​mode, the final drying stage is present ...

Manufacturers of detergents are in a conspiracy, it is profitable for them to sell expensive phosphate-free products, and the fact that they wash worse they do not care deeply about it, as well as on our wallet, and even more so on nature. As business says, nothing personal. With a profit of 200%, they will sell their own mother Enzymes in detergents have been used for more than 40 years, but these means are expensive, people are not willing to buy them, they have to come up with something and they came up with an environmental threat

Detergent manufacturers are in cahoots

If you cannot change the circumstances, change your attitude towards them.

and the fact that they wash worse they do not care deeply about it

What we use (mostly Frosch, BioMio) washes a lot! There are no complaints! As there is no vigorous chemical smell from the dishwasher ...

they came up with an environmental threat

We have a private sector, a septic tank in the yard. I saw with my own eyes the difference in what went into the soil under the site when phosphate and then phosphate-free agents were used. With phosphates (and washing, and washing, and other household chemicals), the black slurry in the septic tank was still the same ... And not so far away - a water well ...

... I didn't find Siemens SR 64E075 here ...

Look at RBT_ru. Accelerated washing is good because, for example, on Eco50 it reduces the time from 3.30 to 1.30. If you put it on the wash after dinner, you will have time to wash before bedtime, you can open the PMM door, and unload absolutely dry dishes in the morning.

Accelerated washing is available even in obscure, budget dishwashers

You mean by accelerated wash - 45 degrees. Probably, I incorrectly put it, meaning the button for accelerated wash - VarioSpeed, it reduces the washing time in all programs, except for 45 degrees and rinsing.

Accelerated washing is good because, for example, on Eco50 it reduces the time from 3.30 to 1.30

By and large, an accelerated wash is an emergency option that is not recommended for everyday use, since the wear of the PMM considerably increases, and, accordingly, the period of its uptime is significantly reduced. At home, we use this mode extremely rarely, very rarely, and only when it is required to wash a mountain of dishes after yesterday's guests in two or three visits before the evening influx of guests. In the ordinary daily routine, the time for washing dishes, as they say, is like dirt ... But, if this happens to you often, then perhaps you should think about PMM with the presence of such a regime ...

... the wear of PMM is increasing ...

The revolutions of the circulation pump do not double, but only slightly by ear. Therefore, it is not yet a fact that it will wear out faster at high speeds in less time, and not vice versa.

Therefore, it is not yet a fact

Is not a fact! The pump works much more intensively and more in time, the rocker arms rotate more intensively and more in time ... All this cannot but affect the resource ...

Circulation pump speed

There may be no revolutions at all, if it is a LG PMM with an Inverter DirectDrive pump.

The pump runs much longer in time, the rocker arms rotate more in time ...

Conclusion: reducing the washing time with the VarioSpeed ​​button has a positive effect on the PMM resource. But, actually, it was about choosing a dishwasher with this button instead of 1/2. If it seems to someone that it excessively "wears out" the PMM, then you can turn it on if necessary, and not constantly. It is good when you have something and do not use it, but when it hurts and there is no such possibility, it is worse.

[owb]

owb, I agree that VarioSpeed ​​is more in demand than 1/2, because from the latter there is generally zero sense, especially for a narrow PMM, which is almost always found with something to load ...

And if it has to itch, and there is no VarioSpeed, then you can remember your youth, and while humming the hit of the 70s
And the fight continues again.
And the heart is anxious in the chest.
And Lenin is so young!
And young October is ahead!
to wash what does not fit with your hands ... A criminal thought, but what can you do ...

Look at RBT_ru

Thank you! It is a pity that they have no delivery to our city.
I now face a choice:
- drive to Irkutsk (60 km) and take it for 30 tons. Siemens SR64E075RU;
- give up on the third basket and take at home for 35 tons. Siemens SR64М030RU.
The second model is older, but more functional; more expensive, but you don't need to go anywhere; without a third basket, but with a display.

[NNM]

NNMSiemens is a great choice anyway! And the reviews on the internet for these models are good ...
Considering that these are narrow small-sized models, I would choose the second option: "give up on the third basket and take houses for 35 tr. Siemens SR64М030RU." All the same, for such machines, with two baskets, arranging the dishes in them is a game of Tetris. And the third basket will add a thrill to this game ...

[Kapet]

Kapet, we will do so.
Unfortunately, the full-size PMM is not our option. So we'll play Tetris, what remains for us, the children have grown ...
Thank you very much everyone for your help!

Girls, I need advice. I am facing the choice of a dishwasher in my son's apartment. It is planned to be built, I think 45cm, although the space allows. The son is still alone, so I think that's enough. But the question is what, I have only experience with Bosch, there is a classic, a basket for cutlery. Is the upper cutlery tray more convenient? It would be desirable to hear a response from users and the basket, and the tray. They write that the tray is more convenient, but I thought that it reduces the height between the shelves. Is that so? And not all firms have top models. What do you advise? I will clarify that I am considering a more budget option.

Tray. Pros: each device has its own cell. Accordingly, nothing randomly sticks together, everything is washed out. Knives, forks - they don't stick out anywhere, it's safe.
Minus - yes, the height of the top shelf is less. But this is critical only if you need to wash a mountain of wine glasses daily. But in my PMM for them a). there is a special place on the bottom shelf (suspended); b). the tray can be moved to the center, then the glasses will go in (never used this!). All other utensils fit easily (cups, tall glasses, saucers,).
My opinion is convenient, but not necessary. One of the non-critical signs of PMM.
The previous hmm was with a basket, now - with a tray.

I like it a lot more with a tray, before that I was with a basket. I have a height adjustable upper shelf under the tray, I did not notice any inconvenience or loss of height.

Is the upper cutlery tray more convenient?

More convenient than a basket. It occupies a decent place at the bottom.Instead, you can put 5 plates. In addition, when devices are piled up, they are washed worse. I had a Bosch with a basket, now with a top tray. I definitely like the tray better. If there are not enough forks, you can put some lids, flat stands and any such nonsense that you can't put in a regular car, it will wash away. And the tray is a large mesh, it will not fall or fly away. I wash the plastic lids of the spice containers there.

I did not notice much loss of space. The middle basket can go up and down. Therefore, if suddenly something high - well, I will lower it lower ...

there you can put some kind of lids, flat stands and any such nonsense that you can't put in a regular car, it will wash away.

This is yes! I also use it regularly, I forgot to indicate the "pluses" of the tray.

Thank you girls for your help! And what companies do you have a typewriter with a tray?

I have Miele. With the basket was Electrolux. If possible, ask and choose the place of assembly. it is important!

I have Siemens

[Accomplishment]

Accomplishment, Elena, and which place of assembly is preferable? Long ago moved away from this topic, all the equipment was bought by Bosch German 14 years ago. Now I'm picking up for my son, I can't handle this anymore.

European is desirable. There were more nuances .... Spain, Czech Republic, Slovenia. Something is preferable, something better would not be necessary. But I don't remember the details, alas. Even though this one was just over a year ago,

Girls and especially boys, please advise. I am looking at this Zanussi ZDS91500SA. It is possible to take with a good discount. I can't scrape together money for boschiemens, alas To take it or not? Something and there are no reviews anywhere on it ...

[solmazalla]

solmazalla, I would not take. There are not many reviews, but quite specific - it washes well, breaks down often. I am afraid that it can spoil the attitude towards dishwashers in general. It seems to me that it is worth digging up a little and buying good equipment, after all, PMM is used very intensively (unless, of course, it stands instead of a bedside table).

[Vredin @]

Vredin @, Anya, here I am, too, in doubts. I have a 10-year-old beko just as a bedside table takes a place, zadolbala. Rumbles like a tractor. Do not turn on during the day, it interferes with work, you cannot watch TV in the evening, since the kitchen and the room are shared. I generally keep quiet about the night. So I turn it on only after guests or when there is a complete blockage.
And so I would like to Bosch Serie 6 SPS 58M12. I would like the third level and 2 rocker arms under the middle basket and the temperature of 70 and that it was QUIET ... But the price ...

[Alla]

Alla, that's not worth changing the awl for soap. You quite understand what you want from the PMM. Zanussi ZDS91500SA is far from your desires. Why do you need another pedestal? My car has a noise level of 47 dB, it is considered "quiet", but I would not dare to sleep with it working in the same room. Although in a one-room apartment it is completely inaudible at night. During the day, the noise does not bother me. I am still for the build quality and performance. Buying cheap and then repairing it several times a year is a big savings. It seems to me that it is worth paying attention to the "simple" models of well-established firms.

Zanussi ZDS91500SA.

You can safely take the Zanussi of the Italian assembly, the Ukrainian one - not worth it

[V-tina]

V-tina, Tina, I support! I don't know where they are collected now, but Zanussi is a normal brand of the AEG concern.
The quality, unfortunately, depends on the place of assembly. With all my patriotism, I would not buy a Russian assembly either.
And the cars themselves - all the characteristics are declared by the manufacturer in class A. It means that it is quiet, high quality, economical.

[Elena]

Elena, I just have Zanussi herself, Italian, no complaints about her. Yes, you can hear it when you are nearby, but, on the contrary, I just enjoy this noise - it seems that the summer rain outside the window would definitely be able to sleep with this noise, the only thing, I don't remember, though, is the sound signal about the end of the wash going off, I just don't care about it

[Alla]

Alla, The machine seems to have been discontinued, it replaces the ZDS91500WA, the quietest garbage dumps are produced by AEG with their noise level of 44 dB and the Extra quiet mode, then Electrolux 46 ... 49 dB, and Zanussi, the above model 49 dB, budget models will, alas make noise.

[Tina]

Tina, I also had a previous Zanussi. I then bought the same mother-in-law. When they were brought in, they found that the assembly was not the same. I went straight to the store and negotiated with them. Have changed. We left ours in the old apartment, but they still work (about 10 years).We have never repaired ours for 7 years of operation, but I don’t know about their repairs

Even Miele can be heard when you are standing nearby. Although they are, of course, very quiet.

Bosch SPS 58 M 12 RU has a noise level of 46 dB

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, Alexander, thank you very much for your help. Maybe they'll get cheaper on Black Friday ...

And what companies do you have a typewriter with a tray?

I have a BOSCH, very comfortable with him.

It is planned to be built, I think 45cm, although the space allows.

Choosing a small car only justifies the lack of room for it.
Better to take the maximum size. Circumstances change, then it will be more expensive to change and larger cars have better wash quality.
About the tray. To me, he "eats" the place, like the basket. Washing the spoons-forks in the side trays in the upper basket. Do knives seem to be discouraged in the dishwasher?

Do knives seem to be discouraged in the dishwasher?

Depends on the composition of the handle and blade. If the knives do not rust and do not change color from dishwashing chemicals, then what will they be in the dishwasher? Do you not bring kitchen knives to razor sharpness on a leather belt?
We have kitchen knives - all-metal stainless steel. We wash them in PMM without any harm to them. Serving ones too ... And a separate Uzbek knife "Pchak", with which I work on meat - only with handles under the tap ...

[Kapet]

Do knives seem to be discouraged in the dishwasher?

Specially started all-metal knives. There are a couple of knives that only my husband and I use (the so-called chef's knives). Mine by hand. The rest are in ppm.
Well, in order for knives with plastic handles to become unusable, they need to be washed regularly in very hot water. And that's not a fact. Wooden - yes, not worth it. Well, or be ready to part with them in a few years.
Kapet,

[Accomplishment]

Accomplishment,

Kapet, Completion, thanks, I'm not strong here, why? and delivered.

Bosch SPS 58 M 12 RU has a noise level of 46 dB

Our old lady Siemens SN25M280EU has a noise level of 52 dB. In the kitchen, this does not bother at all, and the sound does not leak beyond the kitchen, even at night ...

Electrolux ESF 4151 noise level during operation is 47 dB, there is no door in the kitchen, if it washes at night, you can hear it well.
A difference of 5 dB means a three-fold difference in sound power. That is, 53 dB is 3 times more in power than 48 dB (in terms of sound pressure, 1.73 times).

Everyone has different hearing, different sleep and different background noise, including at night!

I heard the work of the Miele dishwasher in the apartment - or rather it was not heard at all. Occasionally, only if you listen in silence - a barely audible rustling.

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My dishwasher Zanussi is 11 years old, very budget model.
But it thunders, horror. But here you need to understand the problem of choice: to have it or not to have it with an aggravated allergy to chemistry.
TTT, health to my old lady. Recently changed the rubber drain hose, dried out.

But here you need to understand the problem of choice: to have it or not to have it with an aggravated allergy to chemistry.

Everything around us is chemistry. Including delicious spring water. Perhaps you need a compromise option: still have PMM, but choose a detergent that is safe for yourself. Now there are a lot of such funds, and there are plenty to choose from, what to experiment with ... And the alternative - with pens with soda or with mustard - is also chemistry, and often more abruptly than certified means for PMM. Look at the eco-products of the Israeli company SODASAN - they seem to have hypoallergenic powders for PMM, if I'm not mistaken ...

About the noise from the PMM, I noticed that if dishes with a large surface, such as a large-diameter saucepan or a round deep baking sheet, are washed, the jets of water make a noisy jingle. If a flat, small baking sheet rises parallel to the plates, it will be quiet.
In my Siemens 47 db

And so I would like to Bosch Serie 6 SPS 58M12

So I ordered this model. Will be brought in a week. It was not possible to touch it live, they do not stand in any store, only on order. In confusion, it seems that there are all the necessary functions except 1/2 load, which is not critical for a 45 cm wide machine. But there are very, very few reviews. One hope is that all the same Bosch ... Or can he also be gray?
And by the way, did anyone hear the freezer store?

[Alla]

Alla, Shop Refrigerator, I know for a long time, it has proven itself well, I hear about the freezer for the first time.

[solmazalla]

solmazalla, Alla, well, how have you already brought the machine?

[night_furia]

night_furia, No, they didn't bring
Delivery for this weekend was announced, but today it was postponed to December 9-10. Weird shop. Well, at least I didn't make an advance payment. Waiting ..!

It's a pity that the delivery was delayed. The model was chosen really good.