Dishwasher selection (2)

[Twig]

Twig, it will be a malicious offtopic here, but I will try to answer briefly.

Everything is relative, and so is the taste. We have a well, the water at the site is hard, rusty-ferrous, with hydrogen sulfide. This is a sheer nightmare, not water. Now, after installing the system and filters, iron, hydrogen sulfide, and rigidity are no longer worried. But for food needs, we additionally use a reverse osmosis system with a mineralizer. This, of course, is not artesian water, but it is quite acceptable, without unpleasant tastes and smells.
For the entire system for 5 people, ten (25 kg each) bags of tableted salt are enough for us for a year. And the dishwasher also gets this salt. Tableted salt is also very pure and is quite suitable for PMM. And at a cost it turns out much cheaper than buying bags of salt for PMM in one or two kg ... For comparison: a package of salt for PMM Somat 1.5 kg costs 56 hryvnia, and I took 25 kg bags of our Ukrainian tableted salt 130 hryvnia for one bag.

Since we're talking about salt ...)
Can you please tell me if the tablet has time to dissolve in the "fast" or "hourly" modes?

[Anastasiay]

If you do not put salt at all, then the regenerating resin will inevitably become clogged with calcium and other things, which is not good for such a resin ...

Why? What's going on with her? Can you tell the housewives intelligibly?

Further, softening and purification of the incoming washing water, when the regenerated resin can again capture substances that determine the hardness and purity of the water.

It does not "capture substances", it gives up its half of our salt to the passing water. Na +. That is why the water for the Branch is tasteless, alkaline.

In the dishwasher, the water volumes are not at all the same, and regeneration occurs at the beginning of each wash cycle. Setting the PMM to the correct tap water hardness determines how much brine will be injected to regenerate the resin.

No. In my car, this is completely different.



Anastasiay, try it. But usually tablets are only recommended for full wash cycles.

[Anastasiay]

Anastasiay, I can only share my personal experience. With my favorite BioMio "Bio-Total 7 in 1" and Frosch "All-in-one Soda", which wash great, we never had punctures, and on the shortened "vario Speed" cycles, about an hour and a half (we have Siemens, no 3 in 1 function). But Vortex "All in 1", without phosphates - several times they took out a half-dissolved tablet after a full cycle. In general, it all depends on the quality of the tablets, as I see it ... French L'arbre Vert tablets generally crumble easily in the hands, and dissolve quickly, but they wash very mediocre ... We have not dealt with phosphate and phosphonate agents for a long time .. ...



Bijou,

About the salt in the water purifier - it does not get into the pipes and the tap, the taste of the water does not change from salt, but from the chemical composition. The salt in the tank is poured, there is no circulation, the water circulates only once a week to regenerate the resin. The husband sometimes even washes this tank with bleach.
In our heating tank, sometimes some legionella (I'm not sure if it's correct) start up, the water generally smells like hydrogen sulfide. But soft. And for drinking, there is also a separate purification, but not osmosis.

[Kapet]

KapetYou write to the machine manufacturer that they are misleading users. : girl_red: Business. Exactly a year ago, we parted with the very first car in 1993 at work. Siemens. She had never heard of salt. But she didn't break. There was just a complete renovation of the kitchen. I went to the dacha. And there, in the Krasnoselsky district, the water is very hard. You need a lot of salt there.

[Twig]

Twig, it will be right to find a topic suitable for your problems here, or open a new one. Do not load this topic with questions that are not directly related to it ...

dog gray, I don’t think that local recommendations of individual users should become the subject of flame polemics on the forum, or teach the developer how to write action guides correctly. A consideration was expressed, and following it, or not following it, is everyone's personal business ...

Anastasiay, I can only share my personal experience.

Thank you

It may be interesting.

Girls, hello!
I stomped on you for help. I am far from the first one to bother you with the same question. Which PMM to choose? Of course, I need to read the whole topic, but honestly, I'm sitting on the Internet with this question for 5 days and my brains are already * what to choose. There is no more strength to read all the pages .. Help, dear !!! Advise those who are already happy owners of a narrow (45) cm, fully built-in PPM, which one to buy ?? I choose between Bosch, Elektorux and Siemens. What are your favorite assistants ?? Maybe another manufacturer ?? It would be good if it had a function with a half load, with additional rinsing (after washing the dishes), and with an upper rocker, so that it washes / rinsed better. It is advisable to hear the advice of those who have cars "young" year, two, three years old. The technique, which is now 10 years old, is indestructible, it will not break for another 20 years. And those toys that are being assembled now fly in a year or two. So the question is, what can I buy so that it doesn't break down for a long time ??
Thanks in advance, and do not swear that you inundated with questions. I would like to buy and enjoy the assistant, and not suffer with repairs.

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, korting KDI 45165, there is half load, I will not say about additional rinsing, I have not read the instructions to the end yet, I have been using it for 3 months, I like it, read about it

I have a Bosch, there is a half load, one rocker on top, two on the bottom. Add. no rinsing. The typewriter is the third year, t-t-t, I'm not overjoyed, and how I lived without it before

[Hope]

Hope, wow, I never heard of such a thing)) I started reading about her and looking at pictures
Py. Sy. Did someone advise you, too, or did you like it in appearance?
And yet, I forgot to say Thank you, for the advice




Tatyana, Thank you!
And what are the numbers and letters of the typewriter?

[SvetLanaSSh]

SvetLanaSSh, drew my attention to it in the store where I ordered the kitchen, but I read, looked, I liked

[Hope]

Hope, yeah, it is clear ... And I somehow relate to the sellers of equipment without much trust. I think they were given the task of selling not a popular product, so they are trying
Such a hard choice
My vacation is fun. From morning to evening I sit in the tyrnet, choose, compare ... It rains on the street, it's not so offensive to spend your vacation ..
Girls (and boys) can still someone advise that, eh? .. Then it will be easier to stop at the choice.

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, and I have a Bosch, full-size, with additional rinsing, half load, I actively use all the functions, the typewriter is for the third year, everything suits me, I would never buy a narrow one.

I have nothing in the narrow. Therefore, I am happy that I have a full-size one at home.

[Louise]

Louise, Olga, girls, thanks! But in my "Khrushchev" kitchenette, a full-size one will not fit. After renovating and buying a new kitchen, I barely found a place at least for a narrow one. I'm tired of washing the dishes by hand. I don’t know whether it’s age, or fatigue (at 2 jobs for more than 10 years), or laziness. So I'm looking for an assistant for myself, and since I haven't had them, I don't know which one to choose

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, well then you will not need a half load. I am also very glad that I overpaid a little, but took a sink with max. wash temperature 70 degrees, wash only on this program

[SvetLanaSSh]

I will also listen, in a month I will have to buy a narrow one, but I don't understand anything about them.SvetLanaSSh, share where you stop.

[louisa]

louisa, thanks to Luizonka for the information. I will keep this in mind when buying a dishwasher



Irina, OK!

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, I remember when I studied this issue a few years ago, they mainly advised Bosch. Siemens is more expensive. Others were either more expensive or were criticized. Therefore, we must proceed from the amount that you agree to spend on the PMM. I don't have a half load feature - but I'm not suffering. But the beam on the floor is convenient. The assembly is German and, in my opinion, Polish. And on narrow cars in Mvideo, like discounts, there are often.

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, not at all, I myself remember these torments of choice, how much information I shoveled. My Bosch suits me, but there is one BUT ... as I said, I almost always use the 70-degree program - I get clean, absolutely dry "crispy" dishes, but on other eco-programs drying works poorly, in my opinion here I was not the only one who complained about such a feature of the BOSCH. Happy choice to you))

[Belka13]

Belka13, thanks Olenka! After repairing the kitchen (I wanted a cosmetic one, but it turned out to be major), all the cash reserves were gone. So I'm looking for an inexpensive dishwasher. About 30 thousand plus or minus. There is an installment plan in MVideo, and I want to order it there.



Louise, Thank you!

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, I have looked now on their website - a large selection of Boshevsky machines costing about 25 thousand. You just need to delve into the characteristics. Maybe in the store with the consultants to talk more.
Happy choice! The matter, of course, is serious, there is no need to rush here.

[Olga]

Olga, Thank you! Now, with your help, I want girls (and maybe boys) to choose cars and take a ride to the store on the weekend. And there I will specifically see what I chose.

And I somehow do not have much trust in the sellers of equipment

Well, I was advised by the sellers of furniture, not technology, the furniture is not cheap, it makes no sense for them to spoil their work with bad equipment

I wouldn't buy a narrow one for anything.

I live alone and for a narrow two days I collect the dishes, or wash them a little by 1/2, it all depends on the needs of a particular person or family

[Hope]

Hope, clear-understandable Thank you !!

I have a full-size Hansa ZIM636eh. Comfortable, good, it washes and dries well for 1.5 years, but there are 2 drawbacks: the third tray for cutlery, in my opinion, is very convenient (I even manage to stick the skewers diagonally), but it has short teeth - tablespoons do not hold well, they turn over. And the maximum temperature is 65, old and overcooked dirt does not take well. Although usually my daily wash is 55, rinsing 60. There is a half load, ray and extra. no rinsing, at the end it quietly squeaks, does not wake up at night.

[VolzhankaD]

VolzhankaD, thank you very much!! But I look narrow. A full-size one will not fit))

[SvetLanaSSh]

SvetLanaSSh, I recently got candy cdp 4709-07 45 cm. suits me perfectly

[Irina]

Irina, thank you, my dear!! But this is a free-standing machine, and I need a fully built-in one. I have a hole between the drawers under it and the top of the tabletop is solid. I need to shove 45 cm into this hole)) And hang the facade on the door

[SvetLanaSSh]

SvetLanaSSh, Svetlana, my Boshik is like this: SPV40E30RU / 28.
I was looking for a narrow dishwasher, and so that there was necessarily a half load - we have a very small family, 2 people, but if the son washed the dishes after him, then the entire tabletop is filled, from edge to edge. While we lived in a rented apartment, it did not bother, but when we moved to our own, brand new, freshly renovated .. .. I decided that my nerves are more expensive. And now, I repeat, I'm not overjoyed, but if guests come and come and there are a lot of dishes, then in general there is no price for my assistant!
There seems to be no additional rinsing, there is a separate rinsing program, but I turn it on if the machine is not full and I do not plan to wash the dishes today (this is important in the summer so that there is no smell). I don't use half load often. Washes well, dries perfectly. The maximum temperature is 70 degrees, more often I use the Eco program, at 50 degrees. There is a delayed start. Quiet, I usually turn it on at night, does not interfere at all, practically inaudible. I'm glad.

Oh, she wrote so much, directly advertised

In Eldorado, the discount for one model is not bad.

[Tata74]

Tata74, thank you very much Tanechka !!!!



Belka13, thanks Olenka, I'll look!

I also chose for a very long time a year ago. I bought Siemens 45 cm.
I do not have a half load, but as it turned out, there is no need for it. The car is already small, you can't wash 2 cups. And there is always something to download a full one.
I chose it with a beam on the floor. This turned out to be very convenient. When she dries dishes, she does not make any sounds at all.
There is a time-saving function, which is also very convenient if the dishes are not dry. Washes twice as fast.
I usually turn it on for the night with a delayed start, I collect dishes in a day, and wash overnight.

[k @ wka]

k @ wka, Galenka, what is the name of your machine ?? Digits, letters. I want to meet her))

Girls, dear !! I have (already lost count of how many days) the flour of choosing a dishwasher continues. I lie down with this question, get up with it, and spend my days in search. Who has not read me, I repeat the request. I'm looking for a narrow PMM 45 cm. Who has any assistants, relatively new and proven in business? Please help with advice!

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, There are first-tier manufacturers here and choose from them.

[SvetLanaSSh]

k @ wka, Galenka, what is the name of your machine ?? Digits, letters. I want to meet her))

SvetLanaSSh, Svetlana, I answered you in a personal. But maybe you didn’t read there, I’ll write more here.
I have a PMM SIEMENS SR 64M002 RU. It is built-in, 45 cm. Look at the characteristics on the sites of online stores, maybe you will like this and fit.
I also spent more than one day on the Internet, I am very familiar with your throes of choice. I read heaps of reviews and made conclusions for myself what exactly I want her to do with me
I stopped at this particular model and am very happy

[k @ wka]

k @ wka, Checkmark please forgive me !! I received your message in a personal, but due to the fact that my brains * akom from the amount of information and agony of choice, I completely forgot to answer you and thank you !! Thank you very much for the information !! I looked at your car. Now I more or less imagine what I need, I just have to choose

[SvetLanaSSh]

SvetLanaSSh,
A narrow Siemens has lived with me for three years. I can't find the bukovka now, I don't see it on it, but from the middle price category.
Normal unit, I'm happy with it. I have it in a niche, without a door, I don't know if it can be fully integrated.
Of the programs - there is a half load, I also wanted it, but I do not use it. A family of three.
I use the rinsing program - 15 minutes - when the dishes are small so that they do not stand and there is no smell, if, for example, we leave for the whole day, but the dishes remain after breakfast.
There is a timer. There is a vario-speed function - it speeds up the program without compromising the quality of washing - it is useful when there are a lot of dishes.
The 80-90 degrees must have mode, in my opinion, is useful when someone is sick in the family.
I have a separate shelf for spoons and forks - and it's super convenient. In the conditions of a narrow typewriter, wasting space on the shelf under the basket is an impermissible luxury.
Make sure that the upper basket is placed at different heights so that the necessary cups and glasses fit in. And in general, kmk, it washes better from above, I put the bowls there, and the pots are not too big.
You can remove the upper basket from me, and then the oven trays come in. I don't really like it, I don't use it. But the opportunity warms the soul.
Like this. Maybe something will help in a difficult, but such a pleasant choice

The Boshiks have such a design that water is poured into the reservoir on the side of the machine and heated before it enters. The heat exchanger is called. Therefore, there is no strong temperature difference. From the drop, glasses sometimes burst.
(I was surprised to read the reviews that the cups were beating. I thought they were falling from the pressure, I am not familiar with this problem, mmm. The consultant in the store enlightened.)

Sveta, taken in m Video in April 2017
Dishwasher (45 cm) Electrolux ESF9421LOW. so far no complaints. I like .

[Olga]

Olga, Veta, Svetlana, thanks a lot, girls, for the information

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, 20 times I used such a machine - Bosch SPV40E10RU / 07. I liked it too. True, this model does not have a beam on the floor, but in all other respects there were no problems. And the price is quite reasonable
In general, it is difficult to advise something - after all, we do not often change cars. And everyone can only say about a small number of models.

[Belka13]

Belka13, thanks Olenka !! Yes, I watched this car. I'm leaning more and more towards Bosch. All the same, proven technology and German assembly for years speaks for itself

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, I also chose a narrow one, namely an inset and precisely with the upper third shelf.
The choice fell on Bosch. There are several models with such characteristics.
I haven't bought it yet, but I'm not considering other options yet.
If the 3rd shelf is not critical (although it is a very handy thing), see Electrolux for IKEA. The characteristics are not bad, the price is reasonable, the warranty is 5 years.
There are also promotions.
Good luck!

[Olga VB]

Olga VB, thanks Olenka! I did not understand a little, Electrolux for IKEA - what's this?

[SvetLanaSSh]

SvetLanaSSh, household appliances for Ikea are often made by an electric bus, Ikea simply renames them