Dishwasher selection (2)

Help me decide which dishwasher to choose. Of the two Boshiks smu69t05sk (used from Germany, they say a decent state, I can't see it myself, in another city) and sps53e08eu, also used, but still under warranty until the end of the year. Again, the first 60 cm, which seems to be better (but it turns out to be a quarter more expensive), and the second 45 cm. Maybe someone has or used it ... you need to decide, but I don't know ...

Lud, I asked. Let's see what (and if) they will answer.))
But I sent you to the "necessary forum" with an excellent search !! Why are we here to play with a damaged phone, if you can read everything yourself?

I beg your pardon, I overheard, too, toil with the choice of PM, but what is worse not for myself, but at work for the wrong choice "they will hang on the fence" What kind of forum is this magical? Yandex market up and down with the mouse is "pierced" the same problem with the choice of the rest of the appliances for the kitchen price category as for Bosch, everything is built-in.

[molekula]

molekula, type in the search engine Forum trunk or "forum ixbt dishwasher selection". There are several big topics (the easiest way to go to the previous one is from the first page of the topic), it is not necessary to read them all (but the last few pages are possible), because there is an excellent search on the topic - right under the response window, in small letters, press "search" and type in the desired model (extra letters can be removed, leaving only numbers). By searching the page Ctrl + F, we look for the necessary words.

And to Umka, in a personal note, I immediately gave a link to a ready-made search by posts of the only person I know who is well versed in the BSH model lines and gives very good advice. It may very well be that among his answers there is already a suitable one and you can not ask again - he does not happen every day.)

[Lena]

Lena, Thank you!!!

Owners of Beko DIN 26220, respond like a machine, what are your impressions?

Good day,
I read a lot here and on other sites, with each page my opinion and desires changed, but I realized for sure that I needed a car for 60, that is, a large one (three children, that is, the family size is five people, there are always a lot of dishes), built-in , and probably with the third tray, they praise it painfully, help with the choice or direct it to the right direction.
I didn't expect that now everything has become soooo expensive,
I didn't look at all, I just read it, the other day I went to the store to look, there were:
KUPPERSBERG GLA 689 price 39,999 rubles,
KORTING KDI 60165 price 39 999 ,,
VELGORD from ikea ,,, 39 999 r ,,, (this is on the site)
it all happened at the same price, but of course I would like to be cheaper. I don't know what is more important for programs, I read that they use one, two and that's it.
Also, KUPPERSBERG GLA 689 found used. for 7 months and a year they don't use it (does the fact that she stood idle on anything?) turned off, because they wanted to move to their house and something did not work out there, so it’s collected and now they are selling everything they go somewhere, I found only positive reviews, they put out 25 tons, I watch 20 tons every other day, wrote off by mail, says I'll give it for 15 tons, because we have many children.
the question is this:
Take a new one in a store for 40 tons without a down payment with a 10-ton cover or borrow money and risk taking b. for 15 tons.
Or what else to look at ???
Thank you.

[lekuz9910]

lekuz9910, Lena, KORTING KDI 60165, like hansa, burning is done in China, they even speak on the same line, they are actually inside like twins, those with the third shelf. Choose what is cheaper, but with a guarantee and enjoy it. In the El store, there is also insurance for the equipment, during this period they repair or change it for free, delivery at their expense. She herself faced this - they took away, brought.About ikea, delivery and installation must be a store, otherwise you will lose the warranty, and they have it for 5 years.

[lekuz9910]

lekuz9910, KUPPERSBERG domestic brand, made in China, how lucky

Thank you.

electrolux with him, on the contrary, everything is fine Electrolux ESL 95201 LO is quite a decent PMM.

I also want Electrolux. Alexander, with your permission, I will ask a question in Lichka. ))

[mamusi]

Girls, I will say, as a confident user of the PPM: I now have the third typewriter. First there was Ariston, then they made repairs, and I had to buy an installation. They took Teka. Then the handymen said that the pump had to be changed, and that was very expensive. Bought urgently-faintly Bosch. Then clever people cleaned Teka (there was only a blockage), and we sold it. All three cars are still working properly. I know, because the first two were sold for symbolic money to friends. So: I didn't notice much difference. I'm happy with everyone. True, I will make a reservation: the cars are small - for 8 people. We have a family of 3 people. I use it every evening. I got the impression that the difference is not noticeable within the same price category.

Added Wednesday 23 March 2016 8:58 PM

mamusi, duplicate the answer. I also wrote in a personal, but maybe someone else will find the information useful. I have a bosch dishwasher sd4p1b. I have been using it every day for three years. In my opinion, it is more economical to use tablets. But I still add rinse aid. It dries dishes faster with it. I read in the reviews somewhere that it was noisy. It is not true. Noise at the level of a loud whisper. If there is a conversation in the kitchen or the TV is on, then you cannot hear it at all. I like that it is roomy. No unnecessary bells and whistles. I use almost all programs. But it is small. Maximum for a family of 4 if you wash the dishes once a day. Width 40cm. This is an inline machine. Surely there are stationary analogs, but I did not specify. I'm happy with the car. I would be glad if the information will help with the choice.

The girls really need your help! My husband looked at my hands and decided to give a car, but !!! He hurries. Gave a couple of days to think. I would like Bosh, he is Samsung. But I don't know anything about cars. Please advise what functions should be, and which one is better to take at a price of up to 20-30 tr. And what should be the size of the box. I'm afraid it won't fit ...
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What to dismantle to fit?

[Sikorka]

Sikorka, Bosch or Samsung, I won't tell you this ..

Please advise what functions should be

As for the functions, as a rule, everyone uses one or two programs, it all depends on your needs. Out of five programs in a typewriter, I use a daily wash at 65C, occasionally rinsing, once a month or so at 75C, a program for washing glass may be useful, but for me personally it is irrelevant, I wash the glass along with the rest of the dishes at 65C. Another thing that may come in handy is a delayed start and a half load, the ability to remove or simply change the position of the upper basket for washing large dishes, the girls also praise the third basket - for spoons and forks, but I don't have it and I don't suffer

And what should be the size of the box.

If you take an inset, then it is either 60 cm or 45 cm, plus a couple of cm so that the machine can be pushed into the niche. when you choose a typewriter, you can easily find instructions on the Internet and see the dimensions for embedding

[Sikorka]

Sikorka, Electrolux, Bosch, see what you can afford.

as a rule, everyone uses one or two programs, it all depends on your needs.

completely in solidarity.

it is either 60 cm or 45, plus a couple of cm to push the machine into the niche

This, together with the "free fit", that is, the PMM is built in instead of a cabinet with external dimensions of 45 or 60 cm. At the same time, a door from the kitchen set is hung in front.
That is, if you need to put it instead of some of your lockers, then think over which door you will attach to it.
Here is your picture, only you have it sideways.

Ask for another 🔗

[Olga]

built into a cabinet with external dimensions

Olga, exactly with external ones? my husband told me he was doing internal 60

Yes, Tinochka, they fit under the standard boxes, and the standard ones are 45 and 60 cm. That is, the PMM should fit between other standard boxes. That is, it is not put into the box, but instead of the box itself, but on top of the front panel the door.
Usually the width is narrow 445 mm, they are slightly wider or narrower, but not more than 448 mm. Similarly wide, slightly, 3-7 mm narrower than 600mm

That is, it is not put into the box, but instead of the box itself, but on top of the front panel the door.

well, that's how we did it

Similarly wide, slightly, 3-7 mm narrower than 600mm

Ol, it means mine with a margin did he himself collected the entire kitchen

Oh, what a fine fellow! Give your spouse our respect and respect!

Olga, thank you, I will definitely tell you)

Ol, it means mine with a margin did he himself collected the entire kitchen

Tinochka, there is a large supply there and is not needed. Firstly, the PMM is attached to neighboring boxes with self-tapping screws, and secondly, there will be a gap, after all, the standard 60 and 45 facades are hung on it. So the size of the niche for embedding is exactly the same it should be, 60 or 45.

[Manka]

Manka, the sun, yes, I understood what I was talking about, maybe my husband himself has already forgotten something like that, because when I asked, he said 60 + gap
Girls, I'm sorry if you misled someone

Hello everybody! I am writing here for the first time. I read the whole topic, I really want PMM, I almost decided what and when. I began preparations for this solemn moment. I asked my husband and son to prepare the necessary communications (cold water supply and drain). Bottom line: they "smashed" the entire kitchen, bathroom, floor of the apartment, "hooked" neighbors, revised their views on future life ... Another month before buying, I'm happy ..

Girls, did anyone use the IKEA PMM?
Their "top" is VELGORD (Electrolux). According to the descriptions, the characteristics seem to be good, but we have not yet been able to find real users.
Now I need an installation, and it doesn't matter if it's 45 or 60.
Looked at Mile, but for the same price other brands are 10 times more sophisticated. There, of course, the equipment is reliable, but IKEA also gives a 5-year warranty.
Here is puzzled.
Hey, who knows about ikeevskih PMM or yes well them?

[Olga VB]

Olga VBSo if it's Electrolux and 5 years warranty. What doubts can there be

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, AlexanderBut in addition to these characteristics, ergonomics, and the quality of washing, and capacity, and efficiency, and noise level, and so on, and so on, are also important.
In addition, IKEA has more than one model. So I would like to know the opinion of real users

[Olga VB]

Olga VB,
Olga, my parents have a dishwasher from IKEA. This one, in my opinion: SKINANDE. Before that, I used Bosch for 3 years (I don't remember the model, but from the expensive ones). My Bosch seemed more comfortable to me. The quality of washing is difficult to compare, since the water is of different hardness.
The capacity is better in Bosch, some strange pins in Ikean, after Bosch I could not get used to them.
Bosch works quieter, but I have silence plus. Maybe it's not worth comparing them by this parameter.

In Ikean, I would now be attracted by the price (compared to Bosch) and 5 years of warranty. The quality of the equipment is now generally worse, the free warranty is a bonus.

Thank you, Katya!
I looked at the pins, they fold there.
VELGORD has slightly better characteristics - both more economical and quieter.
It will be necessary to go all the same - to touch it alive, to look at the baskets. There they seem to be all removable, and 2 are also adjustable in height.
You have to, you have to touch, otherwise it’s not so hot for Mile to overpay ...

I bought!! I am free!! Today they brought my little car, a wonderful miracle! For the third time I turned it on (I saved up the dishes - cooked). The guests left after the "inspection", I put everything to wash again, it was a miracle!

[Galina]

Today they brought my little car, a wonderful miracle!

Galina, HEALTHY !!! Didn't forget to wash to make the guarantee work ???

Well, and the boast / password / attendance (model / brand / etc.) where ??? What should you look at / strive for ???

Didn't forget to wash

- I have it VELOCATED under the "inspection" of the guests ... I have a freestanding, full-size HansA ZWM646WEH

Added on Wednesday 01 Jun 2016 11:56 pm

Horror, as there is a lot of space in it, until this day I lived in the work (day) -fishing (three days) -work (day) mode, today is the first day on vacation, I washed first all the accumulated household dishes, then the "demonstration" washing with guests of all the fishing utensils (including skewers), and now after the guests and smoked fish (unfortunately, not caught), the utensils are washed by YOURSELF !!!

[Gala-balowana]

I have a detached

Gala-balowana, Galina, I congratulate and wish that the guarantee is not useful for 25 years !!!

And I'm still looking for myself Some kind, xs knows what kind of full-size insert

Added Thursday, 02 Jun 2016 00:03

I washed first all the accumulated household dishes, then the "demonstration" washing with the guests of all the fishing dishes (including the skewer), and now after the guests and the smoked fish (unfortunately, not caught), the dishes are being washed by SAMA !!!

Galina, here it is-HAPPINESS !!!

[Ludmila]

And I'm looking for myself such a kind, xs knows which one

Ludmila, oh, I shoveled a bunch of forums to choose from the budget one, along the way I studied the functions, firms that were slowly "cut off", eventually settled on a specific brand, then the model, went to the office. site, there I compared other models, downloaded the instructions for my own (I studied everything about it, how and what) ... Then I rushed to the Internet shops (the main condition is delivery to our small city - not everyone has it), reviews on internet shops .. uh-f .. and then came that day !!!
What is most interesting in my six-month choice is that in my city I found a SERVICE center for my model, which is nonsense for us !!

[Galina]

I shoveled a bunch of forums to choose from the budget one, along the way I studied the functions, firms that were slowly "cut off", eventually settled on a specific brand, then the model, went to the office. site, there I compared other models, downloaded the instructions for my own (I studied everything about her, how and what)

Galina, similarly, but no consensus has been found ... yet. It's just that we are buying ALL new equipment in a new quarter ... because our own, for 15 years of rented residence, have acquired only a TV set and a washing machine. Therefore, so far so, but I am glad that it remains only to buy PMM and change the washing machine. And I will become too, I AM FREE !!!

[Umka19]

Umka19, and you choose one, without "consensus", I forced my guys to make communications and electricity to me, and with whom how I will wash the dishes is none of their business, I think ..

[Umka19]

And I'm still looking for myself Some kind, xs knows what kind of full-size insert

Umka19, Ludmila, exactly built-in? Maybe you will consider the option to put a non-recessed under the countertop. I have so asko worth it.

[OlgaGera]

Maybe you will consider the option of not being built-in to put under the countertop.

OlgaGera, Lelka, and kitchen. just hang the door on the hinges ??? Then you need to look at the PMM which has the top removed, so that it goes under the countertop ... Just a panel, an oven, a washing machine - this is the technique that I knew what I wanted (functions / features), and PMM - I just don't know what I need? ?? I will have the first one, that's the problem ??? !!!

Gala-balowana, OlgaGera, thanks a lot for the advice / dialogue !!!

Then you need to look at the PMM at which the top is removed, so that it goes under the tabletop ...

Will a solo machine go so deeply? Moreover, in order to stick the door ... The standard washer will definitely not fit, it will stand flush with the tabletop, and not in the depths. But after all, individual cars have built-in counterparts, why then fence the garden?

In addition, this is very inconvenient. Usually he opened the door a little, pushed the dirty dishes in a pile without looking and closed it back. And so many times a day. We lay out thoroughly along the guides in the evening before washing.
And if there is one more door?

[Lena]

Will a solo machine go so deeply?

Yes. We can adjust the height of the working surface for ourselves. I have it 92 cm.
The table top is not standard where the PMM stands.Mink for PMM is deeper. I did not install the doors. They are on the locker.

some machines have built-in counterparts,

Lena, everything is correct. But, sometimes, you want something like that, but it is not. So I offered an option

By the way, Lena, your idea with a stove and cooking on a newspaper moved me towards an induction hob. Thank you

Will a solo machine go so deeply? And even to stick the door ...

Yes.

Well, what about "yes" when further:

The table top is not standard where the PMM stands. Mink for PMM is deeper. I did not install the doors

I looked - the Asko solo has a depth of 59.6 cm, that is, just to the edge standard countertops and come out. So the correct answer to my question is "no!"

Hurrah! I figured out how to wash the large grill grates (ordinary ones for a fire, with long wooden handles)! I couldn’t cram them in any way, they didn’t interfere in any way - the handles interfered with the upper rocker arm or even protruded out of the bounds. There is no point in removing the basket - I have no shower head! It suddenly made me fall - I CAN remove this upper basket (I have a middle one) without using a nozzle, because I, or rather my machine, has a 1/2 function, in which either only the upper or the lower basket is washed! She took off the upper basket - calmly stuffed the grates + more dishes and turned on the washing of the lower basket! The problem that bothered me IS SOLVED!

Please enlighten the dumbass. I want to buy myself a PMM, but I can't understand which one I need. If it stands in a cabinet, such as a built-in oven, under one large common tabletop, is it solo or built-in?
Or is a built-in one that closes with the same front door as the cabinets in the kitchen set?

[Galina]

smoke PMM

Don't ... I think you won't be able to do it

built-in is one that is closed by the same front door as the cabinets in the kitchen set

Galina - fully embedded PMM. And there are stand-alone ones like CM, they are cheaper. Just where are you planning to put it? To a ready-made kitchen or do you completely renovate the kitchen and buy new appliances and everything else ???

[Gal]

Gal, there are fully recessed, there is a facade hung

I took this one for myself Zanussi

, there is a partially built-in one - it looks like a built-in oven and there are free-standing ones, such as how a washing machine looks. What do you want?

Thank you girls for the quick response.
My kitchen is all under one countertop, the oven is built-in, the hob is also embedded in the countertop, glass ceramics. I do not plan any renovation in the kitchen yet, because I recently did it. Even then, I wanted to buy a dishwasher, but I was finally matured only now. Now I'm looking for a place to stick it. I want to insert it into the cabinet as the oven stands. And which one should I pick? I don’t want to hang the facade.

[Galina]

Galina, then only partially built-in, only it will not completely fit into the locker, it stands on its "legs" and we have a small choice of them .. go to the 21st century or an onliner, look at what is in general and decide, at the same time, what do you expect from her

Yes, for the third day I have been sitting in the net, I can not decide which one I need. There is an opportunity to buy in Moscow, the son will bring it.
Well, for the price, of course, I want it not to bite

[Galina]

Galina, why don't you want to hang the facade? now it's not a problem to choose the color of the kitchen, I just looked at the search, there are not so many partially built-in ones, in Belarus, in any case, and the prices are biting and fully built-in and the choice is large and the prices are adequate

[Galina]

Galina, there are stand-alone PMMs in which the top cover is removed and it enters under the countertop, but this must be measured very carefully before buying. Your cabinets are 45 or 60 cm wide - this should also be taken into account. Most likely (since you do not want to hang the facade), then look at partially recessed PMMs (but they are more expensive than stand-alone PMMs).

I also have drawers under the cabinets, so probably just so ah! I will not find. We have to think about how to attach it.