Dishwasher selection (2)

I have Veko for the second year, I listened to Tortyzhka and did not regret it for a minute.

Maybe his that expensive Bosch? Buy Beko or Indesite? Tell me what? I need 60cm and so the soap is very good ...

There is no need for the current of indesite, but many people really have Beko here.

Thanks everyone. Today I looked at Beko's store ... and felt ... I liked it .... Now I will probably choose Beko.

[Tulka]

Tulka Feel for comparison Electrolux and Bosch and you will understand everything

[Tulka]

Tulka Feel for comparison Electrolux and Bosch and you will understand everything

And today I have already coveted Siemens, we have it and Bosch * Russian * technician recommends at the Israeli forum, although about Beko writes that they have the best price / quality combination, but recommends Siemens and Bosch. In short, what suits me for the price of Siemens has reduced capabilities, no half load and no pre-rinse. And then prices are already higher than 3.5 tons .. until it is ripe for an expensive

no half load and no pre-rinse.

I have never used half load, there is always something to shove. But sometimes I use rinsing, about 2-3 times a month.

I've been using the PM for about 15 years now. Now it's 5 years old Bosch (of course). but apart from rinsing and the automatic mode, I can't remember any others, but there are enough of them.

[Tulka]

Tulka Feel for comparison Electrolux and Bosch and you will understand everything

To be honest, Electrolux did not impress at all, but it is expensive. I think Bosch will impress, but me and Lexus on the street are also impressive, but we ride a scooter. Tomorrow I'll go to the Bosch salon - I'm drooling over the dishwashers. It's just that the Bosch model that you like in terms of functions costs about UAH 6,000 (750 dollars). And I'm counting thousands in 3000.

I have Bosch for 2 years, before that I had Indesit for 5 years. I don't use half load, rinsing too, but the function of reducing the washing time by 2 times is very often, if you need to wash quickly, the washing is more intensive in this mode.

I don't use half load, rinsing too, but the function of reducing the washing time by 2 times is very often, if you need to wash quickly, the washing is more intensive in this mode.

Is this a special button program? Isn't that a short wash like 30 minutes at 45 degrees?
Bosch looked in the morning, too, in terms of functions more at a price less than Siemens, you will still need to thoroughly read about them. I wanted to buy around 2000, but now I'm looking at more than 3000

Bosch looked in the morning, too, in terms of functions more at a price less than Siemens, you will still need to thoroughly read about them.

They are the same essence. It's like Zanussi-Electrolux, Beko-Arcelik, Ariston-Indesit ... etc.

Is this a special button program? Isn't that a short wash like 30 minutes at 45 degrees?

Yes, this is a special button program. In the photo, I apologize for the quality, this button is the 3rd from the scoreboard to the right, a clock with two arrows
This program halves the wash program at 70 degrees, auto and eco, and shortens the program for crystal by only 10 minutes.
By the way, I would like to note that in my Boch (SMV63M00EU / 02) there is a self-cleaning filter, as stated by the seller (although I did not find this anywhere in the instructions) and in fact it is, I tried to clean it several times, and to clean it nothing, unlike Indesit, the filter was clogged at times

[Siemens SN54E501]

All! Bought like this Siemens SN54E501:



the price is the same as Beko's, because I found a store where they sell it as a residue
By the way, Cvetaal, it seems to have a 1 \ 2 button like in your

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We have PM Bosch SMV 50E50, I bought it in an internet store, since the price for a similar typewriter in our region is almost 2 times more expensive, of course the risk, but the difference in a significant amount outweighed, the fourth month TTT works, though once I shoved a baking sheet to wash , took off the upper basket, did not put on the nozzle for washing the baking trays (although the instructions strongly recommended) and the water began to flow out from under the door, damn it until I remembered about the nozzle, I thought I would die
Beko's friends have a full-size one with a bunch of programs, they are very satisfied!

Good evening, members of the forum! Take the new one. I love the site.
It so happened - I have two dishwashers, Ariston and Bosch. I want to protect Aristonchik, even in the first week and changed her pump, what happened was, then I never regretted the purchase. I spent the entire warranty year chasing her in the tail and mane. It washes quietly, quickly (compared to Boshik) and cleanly, if you do not stuff the dishes back to back. I live in two houses, so I compare them every month. My second machine - bosh, of course, is more expensive, and more sophisticated, and seems to be more reliable, protection against leaks, duration of washing, control of water turbidity, etc., but - it reacts very much to voltage drops, just until they found out the reason - almost went crazy - the warranty masters can't wait, it goes out in the heat, it smells, doesn't want to turn on. Well, maybe - not to say that it is many times better, sometimes there are divorces - I wash them, rarely, but it was. Maybe the water is different, or maybe something else? Economical in terms of water consumption, yes. up to 15 liters per sink. And the design is better.
And my sister is unhappy with Boshem (she has a narrow one) - uncomfortable baskets. Before that there was Kandy - I snorted, what did you choose? So there really are more successful baskets, or what? With the same dimensions of the internal dishes, for some reason, it fits more and without crowding. And they are some kind of strong (baskets). What is important, when the husband and the children put everything there, they shove it, all sorts of clip-fasteners pop up from Bosch. They took her to the dacha, renovated the kitchen, now every time at the dacha they praise her and ask forgiveness from their Kandyushka that in vain, they say, we threw you off to retire.
Unfortunately, I haven't heard anything good about Indesit. That refrigerators do not cool, that there are no washing machines, and dishwashers are in the same row.
If something is wrong, sorry, this is the first time I am writing.

Good evening everyone! For a month now I have been sitting on the forum and on various sites and read and re-read everything related to the PPM. There is a lot of information, but such a mess in my thoughts ... And yet I decided to contact you, help me decide: ELECTROLUX ESL 66010 or ELECTROLUX ESL 67070R, or SIEMENS SN 66N051 EU or others?
A prerequisite = silent operation and all sorts of individual bells and whistles such as a beam on the floor, up to 30 thousand rubles.
Of course, I want to save money, but my husband has a rule: "the miser pays twice" this is about my different purchases ...
I refused from Bosch for various reasons, although siemens and Bosch are produced at the same plant!?!?, "Dear mother" brains are boiling, the kitchen will be brought soon, and I also have to buy an oven, and I did not even start analyzing "these flights".

or SIEMENS SN 66N051 EU or others?

I re-read a lot of reviews and noticed that the owners of integral machines complain that nothing is visible, how much time is left until the end of washing .. that's why I chose a semi-integral machine for myself.

and what is there to see?

I didn’t even think about it, I plan to start the PPM at night (we have a two-rate e / meter), I basically start the washing machine at night with a delayed start, which is why I need a silent machine.
Does anyone have such a PPM - "modern quiet"?

I re-read a lot of reviews and noticed that the owners of integral machines complain that nothing is visible, how much time is left until the end of washing .. that's why I chose a semi-integral machine for myself.

Can you hear your Siemens SN54E501 how it works?
You have a good car, but I need a completely closed one, that is, an integral one (I don't want to break the single kitchen facade), a ray on the floor will be enough.

Can you hear your Siemens SN54E501 how it works?

It is not yet heard, it has not yet been brought even but it is written 48 dB or something, it is not considered a lot.

I also did not think about it, but reading the reviews of people who have already bought and use cars, you start to think, for me it is better to sacrifice the facade than convenience, but we are all different people, other options are possible.

[Loony]

Loony , my Bosch SMV63M00EU / 02 is very quiet, but you are not considering this brand

[Loony]

Loony , my Bosch SMV63M00EU / 02 is very quiet, but you are not considering this brand

Your brand is one of the first in the BOSCH column, but having studied the entries on the forum, I realized that Bosch breakdowns can be complex and it is very expensive to repair ... the question is - how often does this brand break (purely German)?
It's hard for me ...
At ELECTROLUX, the wiring or power drops cannot withstand .... what does this mean?
Quiet (noise level no more than 43 dB.), Modern (sophisticated amenities - a beam on the floor, IntensiveZone (clean and dirty)), etc. I want a model, but for the money it's not very expensive! say it does not happen, but from experience I will answer - whoever looks for a long time will find it !! p about with about in e t u y t !!!

[Loony]

Loony Take ELECTROLUX and make a separate wire from the meter, moreover, this applies to all PMMs! He does not really like a very low voltage (below 185v). In extreme cases, buy a Chinese stabilizer for 3 kilowatts.
According to unverified data, the company corrected the low voltage troubles in the 2009-2010 models.
Super quiet is produced by AEG, the same suite, but a little more expensive.

thanks for the information, but how to find out by the characteristics of the 2009-2010 model year.

Your brand is one of the first in the BOSCH column, but having studied the entries on the forum, I realized that Bosch breakdowns can be complex and it is very expensive to repair ... the question is - how often does this brand break (purely German)?

I have been using it for 2 years, there were no breakdowns, TTT, German

I wonder if there are some lucky owners of such new products on the forum? for example AEG-Electrolux F 99000 VIP price: 31300 rubles is it worth it?

I have been using the suite for more than 5 years. One "breakdown" is the repair process on the forum

And I'm already torturing mine. I temporarily connect it to hot water (I have boiling water, it gets warm from the sun) and mine on a short prog for 30 minutes - the dishes are clean without any detergents

Quiet, by the way.

You can't wash without detergents, it's bad for PM

Last month we bought Electrolux ESF 45012 S. It seems that the model is new, but when the voltage drops to 215V, it already starts to "wink" (it turns off for a split second), and at 210V it refuses to work at all. The service did not even come, they said that 5% of nominal voltage for electric suites is already critical, and they still cannot help. In other respects, I really like the model; it washes dishes perfectly at night and works quietly. Therefore, they did not change to another company, we think about the stabilizer. Only now, most household stabilizers have a tolerance of 8% of the nominal ...
For parents, a similar model (Electrolux ESF 45010) works without problems for over a year and no complaints (but they have better voltage)

You can't wash without detergents, it's bad for PM

and the instructions say do not put soap in 30 minutes

As far as I know, pills do not work on short programs, and everything seems to be fine with powder, but I don’t presume to say that.
Did you add salt and rinse aid?

The salt has not yet fallen asleep, it has simply not been bought. But I still didn’t know what kind of water we have .. although the water is disgusting, the filters quickly clog. I poured the rinse aid in the form of apple cider vinegar. For 30 minutes, I used 3 in 1 tablets for the first time, and then I tried without them, the water is boiling water! - works great and most importantly the smell is not of chemistry, but of purity

As far as I know, salt is definitely needed, otherwise the ion exchanger will fly.

And how fast will it fly? No, I'll buy it of course, well, it just so happened that I don't have it yet

And how fast will it fly? No, I'll buy it of course, well, it just so happened that I don't have it yet

It all depends on the hardness of the water. In my model, for example, the instructions indicate the degrees of hardness (from 0 to some minimum value) at which salt is not needed at all. And for high values ​​of hardness, you need to set the salt dispenser, and there are about 10 degrees there! Another thing is that go find out this degree for water in your area.So it's not that easy with this salt. It is known about our St. Petersburg that there is some uniquely soft water here and many experts recommend not to bother with salt.

You can find out about the quality of water in the city hall, there is some kind of special department, but for this you need to go there

I found information on water hardness for my area on the internet. Try it, maybe you will be lucky

I'm already looking at the city hall's website until I found it. But my husband promised to bring a device from work for this business.

[Siemens SN54E501]

I want to write about my model Siemens SN54E501 if anyone wants one. Here is this half button 1/2 it reduces the washing time not by half, but only by a few minutes, half an hour maximum, for each program a different value. The thirty-minute program does not decrease at all.

And she shouldn't decrease the time. When this button is pressed, dishes are washed in only one basket. Consequently, the consumption of water and electricity bills is reduced, well, the consumption of powder. And yes, the time is also short, less water - less time for draining and heating.

So I mean that apparently I shouldn't. When I bought in the description on store sites I read this button as reducing the washing time by 1/2. In fact, this is most likely half load, with a slight decrease in wash time. So I inform potential buyers so that they know.

In the instructions for BEKO DFN 6611 it is written, I quote: if you want to start the machine with an incomplete load, put the dishes in the machine in any quantity you want. Select the desired program and click the partial download button. By using the partial load function, you can use the upper and lower basket of the machine and also reduce water and energy consumption.
Therefore, you need to carefully read the instructions for your PMM, because there are models in which, with the function of incomplete loading, washing occurs only in the upper box or only in the lower one, but there are both at once.

In my Boshik, in a half load, you also need to put the detergents in the half-I put the tablets 3 in 1. First, I put a whole one - Boshik "slobbering" it and left it. I had to wash, "saved", so to speak. Washing time "half wash" shortens, but not too much. And without detergents, you can only start the preliminary wash so that the dirt does not dry out.
My friend "guessed" to pour faeries into her Bosch. And for a long time it was pouring, she had a table dishwasher. Foam crawled out of all the cracks, her husband began to complain why I advised them to buy a typewriter, they say, the table was ruined and the dishes with drips. So it happens that the machine is not always to blame. But this case, of course, of the extreme.

[Gypsy]

Gypsy , on my PMM, the washing time is halved by the "clock with two hands" button (second button from the right, in front of 1/2), but only if the wash lasts 2 hours or more, if 1 hour 10 minutes, then the reduction is only 10 minutes ... The 30-minute wash does not shorten.
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On mine, a similar button with a clock is, in general, a snooze timer, but there is also a button * 1/2 *, it does not shorten the 30 minute, the rest of the programs are more and more 2 hours, and so the hottest 70, in my opinion, is more shortening, but still not 2 times.

In my photo, I apologize for the quality, the "-" and "+" buttons are a delay in the start, then a reduction in time: 70 degrees 2h15 minutes - reduces to 1 hour 30 minutes
"auto" 2h30 min - shortens to 1 hour 15 minutes, "eco" 2h20m - 1h10, etc.
And the last button "1/2" - half load, really reduces the time slightly, for example 2 hours 30 minutes by only 11 minutes

I just checked, pressed all buttons and wrote down the time

I have a bosch built-in 60 cm.
I am very satisfied. You can't wash it off with your hands.
The only MINUS in the dishwasher:
"Too lazy to pull out clean dishes"
I love my helper girl

At first, my mamma puffed - the idlers are capitalists, they don't want to wash the dishes.But when there are 7 adults and 1 baby in the family, and four are students, and the dishes have to be washed by the one who cooked, therefore, then she resigned herself. Another plus is 12 liters of water for the entire wash. But taking out the dishes is also now a "problem".
A little advice - if there are problems with the voltage in the network, drops, etc. - do not take too "abstruse". German electronics "buggy" from my e. energy. Often the stabilizer does not help either. We have already adapted - we climb in, pull out of the socket, let it stand, and be on our way. Well at least not too often you have to dive under the table.

... A little advice - if there are problems with the voltage in the network, drops, etc. - do not take too "abstruse". .. We have already adapted - we climb in, pull out of the socket, let it stand - and good luck ...

you can put the dynamo in and "tighten" what is missing ...

Yesterday I was shocked by my Siemens, I got half of the dishes dirty, and that after 2 hours 10 minutes at 65 degrees with a 3 in 1. In addition, the dishes were very wet. And what has changed, before that she was washing pretty well. And what has changed is that they connected it to cold water as it should be. She used to work with hot water. After washing and rinsing with hot water, the dishes were almost dry, although not perfect. I thought I would connect it properly to cold water and the dishes would be completely dry, but it turned out, on the contrary, everything became disgusting.