Dishwasher selection (2)

Well, I don't know, Ariston has been working for me for five years without problems. An ordinary budget car. Washes normally, what else should be required from the PM?

When I bought my PMM, those eyelids cost 6 and 8 thousand rubles, I took mine for 27 thousand - but they also buy expensive and cheap ones in stores. There is an offer for a different wallet. And if we talk about PMM, it is better to wash poorly with a machine than well with your hands.

Well, I don't know, Ariston has been working for me for five years without problems. An ordinary budget car. Washes normally, what else should be required from the PM?

My Aristosha lived for 4 years. Then everything became constantly cloudy and nothing helped, for the life of me. Replaced. But not the point. This car has lived for 4 years. And the plastic filling (folding shelves, cutlery basket) is much smaller. Everything started to fall off and break off in pieces pretty quickly. By the age of 4, there was already a kapets for rubber seals, for replacement. So ... As you can see, there are different stories.

BEKO DIN 5833 Extra (manufacturer Turkey) here's another option looked after, what do you think when compared with the previous version that you looked after (HOTPOINT / ARISTON LFTA + 5H1741 X manufacturer italy)? I don't know where to stop my head swells

Hello, can I call you? Please tell me about your typewriter, I also looked after it, so I'm sitting thinking between Ariston and Beko. the arrow in my brain froze in the middle ... eh ...

I have had a tabletop dishwasher for several years. Nevertheless, I wondered - how safe are the means that are used in it? After all, they are not 100% laundered. And the dirt, no matter how you service the car, will accumulate in the middle ... And the water does not boil there ...

So, today I came across material just about the danger of dishwashers. What is your opinion?

[Rina]

Rina Another horror story in the spirit of "thermophilic yeast", the yeast Exophiala dermatitidis "bath yeast" lives in the baths and saunas of the Hammam, no one dies from this, they live next to a person for centuries, and yeast will not survive in such an alkali that is present in PMM.
For those who are already very afraid, recommendations,
To avoid health risks, it is necessary to dry and wash in time the places of household appliances where mold can form, the researchers say.

But what about the drying process in PMM? As far as I understand, it is at this moment that microbes should be killed? Or I blurted out something wrong

Indeed, another horror story! What kind of fungus can grow so eerily in, in fact, running water? Moreover, in such a chemically aggressive environment?
And most importantly, the authors, as a healthy alternative, propose to crawl the dishes with warm water and laundry soap as much as possible. Handsome men!

[Rina]

As M. Zhvanetsky says: "What don't you do with a person, he stubbornly crawls into the cemetery."Rina, the story is really from the series "in one black-black city, there was a black-black house. And there was a dishwasher ......." Brr. If this information is read by my relatives who are twisting at their temples, looking at my purchase of PM, then their "joy" will not have a limit.

my relatives who are twisting at the temple, looking at my purchase of PM,

Mine, too, at first twisted at the temple, but right now everything is with PMM.

[Rina]

As M. Zhvanetsky says: "What don't you do with a person, he stubbornly crawls into the cemetery."Rina, the story is really from the series "in one black-black city, there was a black-black house. And there was a dishwasher ......." Brr.If this information is read by my relatives who are twisting at their temples, looking at my purchase of PM, then their "joy" will not have a limit.

Yes, I now deliberately try not to watch programs like "scam - how they deceive us" (about the harm of different things - from food and cosmetics to microwaves). Well, you definitely won't want to live after such "news"! (Although I WAS LOOKING before) But on March 8, I quickly baked a custom-made cake in the morning, I go to the cartoon, the dishes in the dishwasher - and with a clear conscience to visit. As my husband told his mother, we’ll come home, and we have dinner ready and the dishes washed. Now I also dream of robotic vacuum cleaners and scrubber driers - Schaub is already coming to a clean house.

[iris. ka]

iris. ka Relatives to the garden!
When I bought the first automatic washing machine in the city (a century ago), everyone was spinning at my temple. And there was so much scribbling and talk too: economically, not economically, but that dirty things have to be saved for months, etc.

Are we sisters by chance? I went exactly this way. Now they tell me that PM is for the lazy. To which I proudly answer that I'm super lazy - PM washes for me, SM - washes, MV - cooks, HP - bakes, and I'm on the internet

People, why no one answers me, please help me, this is a serious question

Better to take Beko.

Better to take Beko.

Oops, thanks for the advice, but the question arises in my thoughts, why? Maybe it’s worth digging up and buying something more expensive? Not a budget option?

Oops, thanks for the advice, but the question arises in my thoughts, why? Maybe it’s worth digging up and buying something more expensive? Not a budget option?

Specifically, this question - budget or not - it's up to you to decide
I also wanted Siemens, I almost ordered it, but they didn't get the money.

were visiting friends and saw how the dishwasher was literally fed up with them !!! they live in a private house, where the tension is really bad - in the evening it drops to 160! the bulbs in the kitchen hardly shine !!! in general, it happened by chance that the dishwasher was turned on in the evening (as it turned out later, this is not the first case of such an embarrassment with a machine). the spout fell, the dishwasher didn't even grunt, but just started pouring water onto the floor ... I was shocked !!!! They drew out the water, washed the dishes with our hands, and the dishwasher dried for another week (the sensor is in some strange place, deep inside). and the dishwasher is far from budget!

A closed dishwasher, with an intact door seal, connected to a sewer, began to drain onto the floor?
And through what holes?

the spill fell and she (the dishwasher) apparently depressurized the door ... and water flowed through these door "slots" ...

Nightmare, I thought the door was physically sealed - with springs there, with a sealing rubber (in my case, at least that's the case), and not by means of electricity

It was a nightmare when I saw this nightmare with my own eyes !!! if anyone has problems with the sponge - stock up on a generator, at the same time as buying a dishwasher ...

Wow! And I have laminate in my kitchen ...
I was going to put the dishwasher. I didn’t know what happens! My washing machine has never flowed in my life, even at a very old age.

Yes, I do not think that these are all models, I turned off the electricity with my own - I specifically checked how the program would rise after that, nothing was poured onto the floor.

I do not believe. There is no such option to drain onto the floor. Somewhere they misunderstood something.

what did you not understand? I saw it with my own eyes ... if they are not sleeping there yet, I will announce the model, can someone tell me something worthwhile ...

"we were visiting friends and saw how the dishwasher literally got it !!!",
Blimey! , and what if this PMM is "registered" somewhere on the top floor? Of course, I have an apartment stabilizer, but it often lowers from some 237 to 220. No, I'm very impressed!

The PMM does not seal the door and you can open it at any time.And to report that you forgot how? There, the problem is most likely with the seals or the filters are clogged - there are no more reasons for water to come out.

if the filters were clogged, then the water would gush at any voltage! and so the electronics goes into the astral plane with a sharp decrease in voltage and drains water from the car literally from all the cracks ... in general, as I recognize the model - I whistle

The PMM does not seal the door and you can open it at any time. And to report that you forgot how? There, the problem is most likely with the seals or the filters are clogged - there are no more reasons for water to come out.

This is not the case for all PMMs, there are models that are blocked during operation and cannot be opened - called protection from children so that they cannot get burned.

As an assumption, overfilling occurs, and starts to run from the seals. In the normal position of the water, it is below the door, splash seals.

here is this "pissing" model siemens sn66to52eu
the official version (the husband of the hostess is in close proximity to technology, in life) - a sharp drop in voltage.
I repeat: they live in a private house, voltage drops are constant, especially a noticeable sharp drop in voltage in the evening, when all the neighbors come home from work ...
where did the dog rummage? marriage or a rare occasion?

Most likely, this is not a drain of water through the door ... At low voltage, the electronics seem to have malfunctioned and spontaneously uncontrollably opened the water supply valve. If the spill was completely gone, the valve would close by itself.
I can assume that they have problems with all the household appliances there.

Here's closer to the truth. How many times did I throw in small things - the water is below the level of the door.

After cutting off the plugs, my washing machine gets lost in orientation and ceases to control the amount of water collected. Well, for the first time I was near and saw that a little more and there would be an overkill. Everything is restored at the next wash. Now I don't leave the car alone.

What passions-horrors you have here Indeed, it seems that the unlocking tap on the water supply system did not close ... I have a question for the owners: if miracles are constantly happening with voltage, why is there still no voltage stabilizer or power supply unit of some kind, which due to batteries will pull up the voltage to a living wage? Of course, this is a personal matter for everyone, but it's a pity for the appliances and the flooded kitchen.

the owners are going to pull a new line, but will not get together in any way ... as the saying goes, "a shoemaker without boots" - and we know how, and we are able, but our hands do not reach "to do". the house is two-storey, on the ground floor there is "work", everything is powered from the old line, but the consumption is wow! that's how they live - the dishwasher is turned on at night ...

[Extra]

Hello, can I call you? Please tell me about your typewriter, I also looked after it, so I'm sitting thinking between Ariston and Beko. the arrow in my brain froze in the middle ... eh ...

I'm sorry for the late reply. I have BEKO DIN 5833 Extra... Unlike BEKO DIN 5833, this one has slightly better power consumption and slightly lower operating noise, the price is lower. It is built-in, only under the table top it should be 82-83 cm high - otherwise it will not stand up. In my opinion, it is assembled well, no burrs, lopsidedness, or cracks of any kind were found. Inside - a stainless steel, pleasant to the touch. The color is silver, the baskets are gray (there are wrong photos on the Internet), the body is "naked", that is, you have to hang something on your face yourself or put it in a closet with closing doors. You don't have to do this - only the holes for fastening the facade will be visible. At the top of the door (at the end) there are three buttons and indicators: program number, timer, tablets, half load, warning of lack of salt or rinse aid. The set includes a small and large cutlery baskets, a funnel for filling salt, other unnecessary ... I connected it through a flexible hose (like for a tap) to cold water, through an adapter 1/2 "to 3/4" and a ball valve ... The drain is even easier to connect: a tee and a white rubber plug with a hole, as for washing machines.In general, in 30 minutes it was unpacked and connected. Now about washing. Mine is usually at + 50C for about 3 hours, water consumption is 13 liters and about 1 kW of electricity. Washes quite quietly: put it on in the morning, sleep behind the kitchen wall, the doors were open, woke up only from pee-pee. In comparison, it is like the sound from a shower directed into a metal bathtub or sink, muffled. The upper basket can be lowered, some of the "legs-twigs" are folded, which is very convenient! Plates crunch pleasantly after washing. I don't pull them out right away, but open the PMM and pull out the lower basket so that it keeps the door open. The cooled dishes are clean and free of any streaks. For some reason, only small droplets remain on the plastic, but it seems that this is true for everyone. I can't say anything about the rim on the pans - not soap, but the layer of fat from borscht or pilaf on the plates is washed off with a bang! Jars, cans, glass bakeware - shine like new! Four months ago, the machine ate 1 kg of salt and received a full refill of rinse aid - until neither one nor the other ended. I turn it on every 2 days on average. I do not know what else is worth writing ... For me, this is an excellent purchase for such a sum. This is Beko's third technique, so far there are no complaints about one thing!

Wasp! We have a stabilizer, but the house is old and was built by the father-in-law like this - fuck his mother and so will doYes, there was no such technique before. The plugs are not pulled out if several devices are working, and they are cut down, the dad does not warn about turning on the stove, for example. And it does not allow to alter anything. Now I wash and wash the dishes at night, we still don't sleep for a long time.

Wasp! We have a stabilizer, but the house is old and was built by the father-in-law like this - fuck his mother and so will do

Not only you have such a situation ... perfectly understand

I have had a tabletop dishwasher for several years. Nevertheless, I wondered - how safe are the means that are used in it? After all, they are not 100% laundered. And the dirt, no matter how you service the car, will accumulate in the middle ... And the water does not boil there ...

So, today I came across material just about the danger of dishwashers. What is your opinion?

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Hello everybody. Sorry to wedge myself into your conversation, but I got to the question that has long tormented me - are the chemicals washed off the dishes completely in the dishwasher? I'm very concerned about this. I do not want to once again make myself a problem in the form of some kind of cancer. No, I don’t argue, the PM is very good, and convenient, and economical, and I use it myself. By the way, I have a Samsung, on the forum I have not yet come across more than one user of this miracle of technology from this company, but maybe I'm not right, and just read it inattentively. Well, there is a function using a pill, which I mainly use, and I divide this pill in half. I don’t know if this content reduces any byaki, but I amuse myself with the thought that this is all the same.
And one more question and also in the subject. We also have a private house and also a constant voltage drop in the evening. The light blinks like a garland on a Christmas tree. Please tell me which device is needed (stabilizer, generator or something else) to eliminate this problem in one separate house. How many times I asked the question to both husband and father, no one knows. I haven't contacted electricians yet.

- Are chemicals washed off the dishes completely in the dishwasher? I'm very concerned about this.

Here it is the girls / boys have already discussed .. but I will answer again .. and fairies / persil / aos / myth and the like are completely washed off your plates? And yet - not a little important point ... at what temperature do you wash dishes with handles? And at what point does the PMM work? I think. answering these 2 questions - these "worries" should disappear once and for all! The main thing is to choose "convenient for You personally"means for PMM

Here it is the girls / boys have already discussed .. but I will answer again .. and fairies / persil / aos / myth and the like are completely washed off your plates? And yet - not a little important point ...at what temperature do you wash dishes with handles? And at what point does the PMM work? I think. answering these 2 questions - these "worries" should disappear once and for all! The main thing is to choose "convenient for You personally"means for PMM

And what, the temperature of the water in the PM allows you to wash off the detergent without residue? Sorry for the importunity, but it always seemed to me that it was all washed off with a lot of water, even if it was cold, maybe I'm wrong, that's why I raised the topic. I completely agree about the fairies and the like, so I try to use them very rarely and in very difficult cases, I'd better make the water hotter, of course it's not the same temperature as in PM, but you can wash a little fat, this only applies to dishes that cannot be loaded in PM.
By the way, all my reflections on the detergents are not an attempt to dissuade those who doubt the purchase of PM, if suddenly there are any. I myself use the second year, but such thoughts sometimes visit my bad head.

I'd better make the water hotter, of course it's not the same temperature as in PM,

you yourself answered your own question ...

but to satisfy the "importunity" I will clarify .... By all the laws of physics / biology .. I don't know what else ... the higher the temperature, the more microbes / microorganisms will die ... well, accordingly, any "nasty" there will decompose more. ..

According to all the laws of physics / biology .. I don't know what else ... the higher the temperature, the more microbes / microorganisms will die ... well, accordingly, any "nasty" there will decompose more ...

And here you are misleading yourself. According to the laws of physics / biology, the higher the temperature, the more microorganisms will die, but household chemicals are far from microorganisms.

but household chemicals are far from microorganisms.

do not me misleading ... and everything will decompose better when the frost is minus 40 or when the heat is plus 50? ? ? ..... How, then, do you think food leftovers decompose? They "directly" interact / contact with "chemistry" and in fact the food is "absorbed / wrapped" (as you want to understand it) by this very chemistry in the form of fairies and the like ...

I ask you not to give an answer - I'm not interested ... I gave the girl as an example - I wanted to "show" on my fingers .... and if she really cares so much (and even more so you ) there is a school - a school course and in particular chemistry! and we all love the Internet - look for all the details of the molecular decomposition of chemicals .. and I'm not going to waste my precious time on such things ...
PySy ... sorry if it is harsh, but fair ... The girl asked a question - I personally I answered her as I understand it .. and you they did not say anything at all ... but only "inserted their 5 kopecks" is not clear to which question... (I didn't ask questions - but you answered ME)

Anyuta (by the way, this is my daughter's name too), thanks for your explanations, but again I did not understand, moreover, microbes, etc. and the remains of the detergent on the plates? In this case, it is rather necessary to remember the chemistry, or maybe I'm wrong?

[we ourselves are the creators of our lives]

"Detergents usually contain biodegradable, vegetable oil-based substances" .....

"Dishwashing detergent dissolves grease and promotes self-drying of dishes. ... Contains active ingredients of plant origin that decompose by 98% ................

"Hand dishwashing detergents rarely cause serious poisoning. When they enter the body, nausea, abdominal discomfort and diarrhea are observed. Due to their vomiting properties, these products have even been used to treat accidental poisoning. drink.
The detergents used in automatic dishwashing machines are alkaline and can irritate the digestive tract.They are capable of provoking burns to the esophagus and stomach, but this does not happen with the use of a small amount of products available on the market and intended for home use.
In case of poisoning, it is necessary to remove the remaining detergent from the oral cavity and drink plenty of water or other neutral liquid to dilute the toxic substance as soon as possible. It would not be superfluous to consult a doctor. ".....

read on detailed composition and make your choice ... we ourselves are the creators of our lives (from)

The basis of the cleaning action of the agent is formed by surfactants, which are harmful to human health. All surfactants are divided into anionic and nonionic. They received such a separation due to their different behavior in aqueous solutions: non-ionic ones are not subject to electrolytic dissociation, which consists in decay into positive and negative ions. Surfactants, which, as a result of dissociation, decompose with the formation of ions with a negative charge, are called anionic, with a positive - cationic. Almost all modern dishwashing detergents contain complexes of anionic and nonionic surfactants. It is these complexes that increase the effectiveness of the detergent due to the phenomenon of synergy - the mutual reinforcement of each other's action.

In addition to surfactants, the products contain a number of excipients that improve their properties, but are harmful to health.

The composition includes salts of weak inorganic acids (sodium carbonate and bicarbonate, sodium silicates). They are used to decompose polysaccharides, proteins, saponify oils and fats, in addition, sodium silicates act as corrosion inhibitors.

Complexing agents (sodium polyphosphates, sodium citrate, nitrilotriacetate, zeolites, polycarboxylates) that ensure the binding of hardness ions and prevent the deposition of hardness salts on dishes and dishwasher parts. The most widespread and effective component is sodium tripolyphosphate, which also has a detergent and dispersant effect on dirt.

Neutral salts (sulfates, chlorides). Sodium chloride is most commonly used to thicken detergents.

Bleaching agents (sodium perborate and percarbonate, sodium di- or trichloroisocyanurates) have bleaching and disinfecting properties. They are used for the decomposition of especially strong colored stains, such as from tea, coffee, fruits, cosmetics, as well as for disinfection of dishes.

Antiresorbents, in the quality of which the sodium salt of carboxymethyl cellulose is widely used.

Hydrotropes (cumene and xylene sulfonate, carbamide, lower alcohols) that increase the solubility and accelerate the dissolution of surfactants in water.

Some detergents contain enzymes (amylases, proteases, lipases) as active additives, which remove insoluble protein contaminants.

Substances that soften the negative effect on the skin of the hands (glycerin, silicone, allatoin, plant extracts). When washing dishes, your skin needs protection - glycerin and silicone create a protective film on the surface of the skin of your hands, preventing intense evaporation of moisture, and plant extracts will relieve irritation and soften the skin.

Products may also contain pH adjusters, degreasers, polymers, bactericides (hexachlorophene, trichlorocarbanilide), dyes, defoamers, and fragrances.

An important property of the product is the completeness of its removal from the surface of the washed dishes. Because surfactants and other components contained in the product from the plate into the stomach are harmful to health.

If you do use dishwashing detergent, then you need to take care not just to rinse the dishes with water after the detergent, but to rinse and dry thoroughly.

[Albina78]

Albina78, DO NOT use rinse at all .. and a double rinse at the end of the wash will wash everything away (well, I don’t know how from anyone, but in my machine there are 2 rinses after the main wash) ... well, you can also rinse it again
Well, in extreme cases, lick the plate to check if there is anything left on it

[Albina78]

Olima thank you for your understanding.

Albina78,
Well, in extreme cases, lick the plate to check if there is anything left on it

Thanks for the advice, I'll try it somehow.
Anyuta, thanks again for your patience and detailed explanation. It was just my Anyutka who woke up with me, and therefore I am leaving.

Well, in extreme cases, lick the plate to check if there is anything left on it

.. exactly ... exactly ... we live in an atmosphere "poisoned" by various industries ... and to stuff our heads with "such garbage" ... ... now even grown in our own garden does not give a "quality guarantee". ... because 99% of the seeds are treated with the same "chemicals" before being sold ....