Choosing a dishwasher

I found time to wash the dishes immediately after eating. When you wash it right away, the process is not cumbersome and is done quickly.
And if you carefully approach this process, then water can be used sparingly,

I have three men at home. I cook a lot. She taught me how to wash dishes, but pots, pans, etc., they do not know how to wash, and if they do, then it’s: o But you can’t accustom yourself to washing it economically

Oh how !! She gagged everyone in the belt. Well done Admin! Someone after that once again began to recalculate the benefit-benefit, and someone thought: "Well, let her wash, not me." I have a PM, a desktop one. I like it, yes. But sometimes I wash it with my hands because ... well, I love this business. I can't look at the pile of dishes in the sink, and no one except me puts them in the PM. If after dinner and dishes are a little, then only with your hands, and if there is a lot then: And where is my assistant?

I hate washing dishes.
I also think that specialized detergents can be cut.
True, our water is soft.

Virgo, you have completely embarrassed me. Today, for the first time since July, I pulled out the filter from the PMM. And he's clean!

Regarding the rainbow film on the dishes. This is how my Luminarka plates look after PMM:

And here are similar plates (glass + drawing on the back of the plate) of domestic production:

I don’t know if it is noticeable, but the green plate is all covered with rainbow stains, and the red one is sterile.
I did not change the settings for salt, rinse aid and the tablets themselves. Why such a difference - I don't know. Apparently, a lot depends on the quality and composition of the glass from which the dishes are made. To be honest, I did not expect this from luminarka, and they scratch like an infection

Virgo, you have completely embarrassed me. Today, for the first time since July, I pulled out the filter from the PMM. And he's clean!

I had it with a washing machine. Somehow I watched the program and there they told me that it was necessary to clean the filter after each wash and showed what horrors there were. I haven't looked there for two years. And recently I had to and it turned out, there is nothing there, cleanliness!

There apparently the bones should get stuck.
After half a pill of Bolla, everything is clean and without chemical consequences.

I had it with a washing machine. Somehow I watched the program and there they told me that it was necessary to clean the filter after each wash and showed what horrors there were. I haven't looked there for two years. And recently I had to and it turned out, there is nothing there, cleanliness!

After every wash, I do not go into the washer.
But, here the kid's washing machine broke down, they had to call the master ... when they opened it, it turned out ... what was found ... the arc from the busik and a toothpick
Summary - clean the pockets of your clothes before putting them in the car.
Repair in 5 minutes cost 1200 scars

My husband got into it himself, and there was a match * JOKINGLY * But nothing else, not even a raid.

I read and do not understand what kind of filters clogged with grease and stains on dishes. I have been using PMM for almost 11 years. I use Finish most often, it is the easiest way to buy it from us. Today I bought some San (it is written France), but I haven't tested it yet. I never rinse the dishes beforehand. Only if a full machine is not typed in a day, then in the evening I turn on the Rinse program (with cold water). Of course, I don't leave bones and large food debris on the plates (PMM is not a garbage can). How many times have I spun the filter - there is nothing, sometimes a small plaque on the mesh is washed off at once just with a sponge. There are no stains on the plates (there are also dark transparent dishes).Licked a plate at the request of one forum member - tasteless. Maybe fat-clogged filters from short program fans? I almost always wash on AUTO. Only on this program in my PMM an aquasensor works - if suddenly something is not washed so well, then the machine itself will fix it.

I went, checked the filter (for the second time in a year), only took out 2 hairs and a thread from a dish rag. Probably, we carefully lick the plates. There are even defects (scratches) on the upper right spoon. By the way, I was very surprised when, after the first washes, I discovered how much the spoons and plates were scratched.


Luminarkovskaya dish for transmission and reflection

P. S. in a year spent three m3 of hot water in the kitchen.
PS PS Favorite program Eco 50 ° С, almost 3 hours in time. Powder and conditioner Bravix, salt Sanit (it seems) the cheapest in Auchan.

[Lga]

Lga, Galina, I don't understand myself. The rest of the dishes are clean, and the green ones are such nonsense.

I also don’t understand what kind of divorce and films we are talking about. If about those that appeared over time, then it is usually not about detergents. First, attempts to solve the issue by adjusting the setting of water hardness, dosage of rinse aid. It doesn't work - usually the car is for a replacement, because it won't work anymore. Most likely the problem is already in the ion exchanger.
The taste and color, of course, but my PMM was always washed much better than by hand. I use all the detergents. I don't see a wild difference between them. I have had dishwashers for 10 years (not one), and before that I, like everyone else, washed my hands for years. Like mom and everyone else around. Nobody's dishes are cleaner than from the car - I have not seen. Now both mom and everyone around have dishwashers. If you wash the dishes with your hands, besides, you must definitely rub and wipe them afterwards. Water sprinkled around, time wasted. Lime water will leave white streaks on any dish if it dries. Especially on glass. And I have plenty of it.
The Ariston car was simply thrown away after 4 years of use. The same problem appeared: plaque on all dishes. After 6 years of Mile operation (now), such a problem also appeared. For now, I'm just saving myself with citric acid, and when the seals fly because of the lemon, I’ll be thrown away and buy a new one. I will not wash with my hands for anything, if possible, to buy a PMM. There is no grease in the filter, although I do not scrupulously clean the dishes before loading. I won't buy an expensive car, like a cheap one. They plow me 3-4 times a day (2 main washes and 1-2 rinses are stable). So I have a rich experience.))) Now I will focus on the middle segment and hang out in it: cheaper, more expensive. Technique is not designed for decades now, it is being updated too quickly. And the PMM, as my practice has shown, with intensive use they serve for 5 years. Why pay a lot? The cheap one quickly begins to "crumble". There is an example of three machines. All the plastic quickly crumbled and the kapets seals came.

[Lga]

Lga, Galina, I don't understand myself. The rest of the dishes are clean, and the green ones are so nonsense.

Most likely the glass itself has become cloudy. This is often the case with pmm glass. Glass corrosion is called.
PS: when rinsing the dishes in the PMM, I added a drop (really a drop!) Of liquid dishwashing detergent (I have a Japanese Lion). Since the car was no longer a pity (it will cover - well, don't bother with it, you still need to change it))), I decided to conduct an experiment. Than cold water on greasy dishes, then let it partially degrease during rinsing. I decided to see how much foam there will be (Lyon foam perfectly with a regular wash). There was no foam at all. Probably a drop is very little for such a volume of fat. But it partially degreases. I did this three times. The effect is the same.

I've also forgotten about the divorce. Adjusted everything and shine! BEFORE wash all the glass, wipe it with a clean towel and look at the light so that there are no stains. NOW chic and shine, after PM everything shines and perfectly clean! By the way, I also change the kitchen towel much less often - the savings again. I'm for pm!

Make me wash the dishes with my hands after 5 years of using the dishwasher, but not outright. I have 6 people people will go crazy for all the wash.I am satisfied with the quality of washing, the dishes are dark and I don’t see any films on them, I only use Japanese gel, I really like it.

[Lga]

Lga, Galina, I don't understand myself. The rest of the dishes are clean, and the green ones are so nonsense.

Most likely the glass itself has become cloudy. This is often the case with pmm glass. Glass corrosion is called.

If Admin hadn't written about the stains on the dishes, then it would never have occurred to me to carefully examine my dishes with glasses. But since such a dispute happened here, and besides, I bought a new (for me) powder for PMM (Sun) yesterday, then, putting my glasses on my nose, I began to examine my dishes for divorces. Admin is partly right - I also found divorces! Not everywhere, but only on four brown glass plates. Luminarkovsky tableware - Vereco. In very ancient times, a large service was bought. Part of this set - three deep plates, three portioned salad bowls and three bouillon bowls - I took from the old apartment to the new one. A new Trianon white service was bought here, but its deep plates turned out to be inconvenient for us and we almost never use them. As a result, when I caught my eye, exactly the same plates from Vereco, I bought 4 of them. As it turns out now, in appearance, only exactly the same, but in the quality of the glass is already different. There are no streaks on any other dark glassware. And there are four plates! Chuchelka's rights - glass corrosion! These stains are not washed off by anything, the glass itself became cloudy in these places. Apparently the manufacturer began to save on the composition of the glass.
For me, the conclusion is unambiguous - I'd rather change the plates when these stains start to annoy me! So far, I haven't even noticed them.

On the brown glass from Luminarka, there were divorces - I sent them to my mother. I also bought myself a Luminarka QUADRATO, there are no stains on it. Neither whites nor blacks.
Haven't met any discussion of Fairy dishwasher tablets (or missed?).

Do they just smell unbearable to me?

Admin is partly right - I also found divorces! Not everywhere, but only on four brown glass plates. Luminarkovsky tableware - Vereco

Silent, silent, decided to share too. I have these very plates also covered with foil. I also thought the plates had dimmed over time, but after reading Admin's post, I went and washed them with a steel wool. And everything was perfectly rubbed off. Girls, this is not glass corrosion! This is a real film. But on other dishes, I don't see this, why, I don't know!

Girls, this is not glass corrosion! This is a real film. But on other dishes, I don't see this, why, I don't know!

There are stains on white dishes too, only on white it is not so noticeable, you need to look closely
And then, on some ceramic dishes (cups, bowls, plates), after washing in the dishwasher, a net of cracks appears, even on new dishes that were washed for the first time

On Uzbek ceramics, during any washing, long before the dishwasher, a network of cracks appeared, but, when dried, disappears. I thought it should be so. Recently, only bowls littered, fidget.

Haven't met any discussion of Fairy dishwasher tablets (or missed?).

Do they just smell unbearable to me?

I bought a bunch of Japanese gel and powder + salt and rinse aid. And they presented a "miracle" novelty - the Fairey Platinum tablets.
With these tablets, the dishes sometimes did not wash in places, with a normal normal load. And the awful smell almost knocked off my feet when opening the pack and the machine after washing (I threw out more than half of the pack.
Now I will not experiment for sure, except for Japanese ones I will try. I can't stand chemical odors.

I "complained" a few pages ago

I ordered a car: girl_in_dreams: I'm waiting. And the dishes are needed only from glass or any can be washed

I read you and went to lick the dishes, it seemed salty - what is it that needs to be subtracted / added?

Larissa, any dishes can be washed, except for aluminum (it gets dark), pans with a Teflon coating (food starts to stick), what else .... I don't remember, maybe someone else can tell me.

On Uzbek ceramics, with any washing, long before the dishwasher, a network of cracks appeared

I had a chance to observe the final baking process of ceramic flower pots and tableware. Resounding cups were taken out of the oven and placed on the table. After a couple of minutes, they began to crackle quietly ... To the question: "Does this always happen?" They answered me: "Yes, the dishes are cooling down, slightly changing their size and from this the glassy coating (enamel) becomes covered with microcracks. Have you seen old flower vases? On them, these cracks become wider and clogged with dirt because of moisture, so the old ceramics looks cracked."

And the dishes are needed only from glass or any can be washed

We even have a special topic - Dishwasher Safe Do's and Don'ts

I read the last pages of Temka. The same went to inspect and lick my dishes meticulously. (I have a PM VEKO narrow for 10 sets.) I did not find any stains and there is no aftertaste on the plates. And even if there was something --- I'm still for PM! So much time appears that you can spend profitably! Before the appearance of the PM, it lived, one might say, at the sink. 🔗 My husband has some kind of phobia about microbes. He sees them everywhere! God forbid he sees that I just rinse the glass of water without detergent --- just a lecture. So I got used to washing dishes with fanaticism, then rinse them for a long time under running water and wipe them immediately and immediately into the cabinet! So that germs don't get it! As the budget began to allow a little, it did not take a long time to persuade my husband. The arguments that all microbes will be defeated by the high washing temperature did their job. Husband bought PM 🔗

And it doesn't take too much money on detergent. PM was bought in May. My dishes are on average every other day. Sometimes there is everyone. I bought Denkmit powder in a pack of 2 kg. (price 70 gr) There is still a liter jar from the same pack. And a couple of weeks ago I filled in a new dose of salt. Vinegar - instead of rinse. It seems to me that if you use pills, it comes out more expensive.

I am very happy with PM! And for the destruction of microbes from other surfaces, a steam cleaner was purchased. We have defeated the enemy! Peace, tranquility and sterile sterility at home!

Lanochka, thank you for your story, God bless your husband, here, as they say, everyone has their own thoughts in their heads and we are all human.

I’m thinking: should I switch to vinegar too?

Try (those). I, as the PM bought, only vinegar and pour. It is interesting to hear what is still better - vinegar or a special remedy

The rinse aid neutralizes residual detergent and prevents water droplets from forming on the dishes. Thus, drying is accelerated and there are no traces of dried drops. Vinegar probably does the first thing successfully, but not the second. There is also a possibility that the insides of the dispenser are not designed for prolonged exposure to acid. Well, there are O-rings, cuffs are different, that they will not come to a kirdyk. Here, it seems that someone had already changed this node and the master could not understand why it even failed.

Found it on the internet.

White bloom, film on dishes may be due to rinse aid. The softer the water, the less rinse aid you need.

Horror ----
62% of dishwashers are hazardous to health, - study
July 10, 2013 | 00:08

Dishwashers are breeding grounds for dangerous fungi, a study found. The warm, humid environment and the salt that remains on the walls is ideal for the growth of the fungi Exophiala, Rhodotorula and Candida parapsilosis, writes The Daily Mail.

Scientists have tested dishwashers around the world. It turned out that 62% of them are infected. If a person breathes in the spores of the fungus, then he colonizes the lungs, causing severe infections (I hope this information does not reach my husband!

Specialists are especially concerned about the seal on the car door. People who take antibiotics, have lowered immunity, diabetes, or cystic fibrosis can get dearly in contact with a fungus - a lung or skin infection will develop. They should be especially careful when cleaning their dishwasher.

Baking soda, vinegar, and bleach fight fungi. For example, mix half a cup of vinegar with two cups of warm water. Use this solution to rinse the inside of the dishwasher. Can be treated alternately with vinegar and soda. Once a month, wash baskets with hot water. It is recommended to put the machine on one cycle with a commercially available dishwasher cleaner before use.

I never pour pure vinegar. I breed 50/50 with water.

There were no stains, smudges on transparent glass glasses, glasses! (Maybe the detergent is good) Even after a quick wash t30, when the dishes are not properly dried.

I collect the dishes for 2 days. There is no smell after washing in PM.

I cannot say whether it is possible or not to pour the vinegar. Someone in the subject wrote that in Italy they use only vinegar.

Hopefully, nothing happens to the rubber bands at this concentration.

[lana19]

lana19 Fairy manufacturers paid for this research. Moreover, the "scientists" themselves have spread this exotic fungus among the dishwashers of the world.
As for wiping the inside with soda, it's like a recommendation to scrub the toilet from the inside with wet wipes. It is quite possible, if not laziness, but no sense.

For what I bought - for what I sell.

I keep the PMM door ajar, I also keep the washing machine dry - there are no fungi or odors. And they correctly write about soda, it can remove fungus (in the bathroom, for example).

I "complained" a few pages ago

Yeah, so I really missed it.
We'll have to look for a Korean remedy. I found it for washing and use it with pleasure. But for the PMM there was not. Will seek!

I have run out of Japanese KAO gel. I bought another one for testing - Fresh-Up. How I will conduct the tests - unsubscribe

I wrote above that the dishes turned out to be salty in taste. Once again I re-read Temka and saw that if it tasted like soda, then a lot of powder. So that's it. I then washed with the Finish Quadro tablet (they went as a gift to the PMM) in the pan mode - I washed the pots. And there were pots, and plates, and everything else. Still, the pills are too much even for a large PMM.

KAO did not find us. There is Lion "Charmy". Even aluminum can be washed (as if I have it)
Who tried it, tell me - what is better to buy - powder or gel?
By the way, where to pour the gel? It's kind of like a leaky pill cap. Doesn't it flow ahead of time?

SilverLily, I've only been using Lion "Charmy" for a long time. I pour it into the compartment for powder and tablets (I have only one compartment of the others) and nothing comes out of me.

And I ordered Minel, it seems inexpensive .. And KAO in mind, I want to try

SilverLily, I've only been using Lion "Charmy" for a long time. I pour it into the compartment for powder and tablets (I have only one compartment of the others) and nothing comes out of me.

Well, it means that it remains to buy and try. Thank you!
Did I understand correctly that gel is better than powder?

Did I understand correctly that gel is better than powder?

For me, yes.

KAO did not find us. There is Lion "Charmy". Even aluminum can be washed (as if I have it)
Who tried it, tell me - what is better to buy - powder or gel?
By the way, where to pour the gel? It's kind of like a leaky pill cap. Doesn't it flow ahead of time?

I have both gel and KAO powder. The gel was used in those cases when I washed cups from multicooker or something with a non-stick coating. And in the rest - powder. The consumption is small, everything is washed perfectly, and most importantly, there is no smell of chemistry.

I pour it into the compartment for powder and tablets (I have only one compartment of the others) and nothing comes out of me.

+1

Well, it means that it remains to buy and try. Thank you!
Did I understand correctly that gel is better than powder?

For me, the gel seems more "gentle".

I "complained" a few pages ago

about Fairy platinum I disagree. Prior to that, we used Italian-made "phosphate-free" tablets without the function of a rinse aid (NOT 3 in 1). Plus a rinse aid from another company, but also Italian. The water is soft, so the salt is at "1", the rinse aid at "3". It was washed well, there was no plaque or taste on the dishes. The smell is not superb but quite tolerable. And then supplies of pills began to run out and in the Metro I saw Fairy. I was bribed by the fact that the manufacturer on the barcode indicated "Germany". Probably, while they have just appeared, they will be of high quality, I thought, and then Ukraine will go to do the same, but much worse.
I took it and made the right decision. I liked it very much. The rinse aid is reduced to "2". The smell after washing is more pleasant, there is no taste on the dishes and the dishes have become even cleaner. Already squeaks.
I went to Finland and took the same Fairy platinum there, but already produced by Belgium and Luxembourg. And the color of the tablets is somewhat different. German white-blue-green, and this is white-blue-yellow. Haven't tried it yet. How they will "work" is a secret.
And I also bought the "Finish" gel. I have never used gel. I'll try it out. Confused by the inscription on the jar with gel "All in one". What is it like? The tablets are understandable. First, one part of the tablet dissolves, then the other. But what about the gel?

I also like Fairy platinum. The smell when you open the package is really sharp, but I didn't smell it on the dishes, no matter how hard I tried (unlike Finish's tablets).

I want to share my own impressions. I have been using various means for 5 years already. At first I took only Somat in powder, it was not bad. Then she began to alternate with the same pills and Finish. And when Somat began to be consumed more slowly and stored longer (I bought 2 large cans), it deteriorated. I took out the dishes with grayish stains. At first I thought the car wasn’t rinsing well. But this was not observed with other means. And my friend's situation was exactly the same. Either the piston deteriorated, or we ended up with a fake, although we did not buy it together. There is no such problem with Somat tablets. Best of all, I liked Finish Quantum (but expensive) and Fairy tablets, but not Platinum - the previous ones. I tried some more pills, but the result was not very good, so I did not remember it.

I also noticed this behind Somat, I thought, at first it seemed, then I thought that the powder was not left for long - I’ll buy a new one and check the quality of the sink ... But you confirmed my doubts earlier!

Yesterday I was washing dishes and the little assistant helped the PMM to load. Vilimo, when I turned away, he put a brush like this and there was also a detergent (I take the cheapest for an emergency, more often I wash my hands). I haven't seen such shiny dishes for a long time! True, now I think, is not PMM harmful for dishes?

Anyuta! My friend also cleaned the car with special means - I thought this was a problem - it did not help. And it so happened for me that at that time I changed the dishwasher and then I was already sure that the problem was in the powder. Today I bought Denk mit tablets (Germany), 1 piece - 20 cents or 1 UAH 60k, I will try - I will unsubscribe.

Hello everyone! So we bought a dishwasher, I use everything for a week, what a fairy tale it is !!!! BUT!!! I had a question .... The funds were bought by Somat, the most affordable, did not bother too much. The salt fell asleep, the powder washes normally (so far there is nothing to compare with, but everything is clean). I took the rinse aid at once, so to speak, full of minced meat, but did not pour it, I decided to try it for the first time without it, and ... after that, why did he think about it? The dishes are clean and dry, well, maybe there are some water droplets in the recesses, and so ... So why then pour this chemistry over the dishes when rinsing, it still remains partially on the dishes. So I didn’t pour it yet and regretted that I had just bought it. Maybe I’m not right ??? What is the use of rinse aid?